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Grandmother 'killed cat and four kittens belonging to her grandchildren with a HAMMER because they wouldn't do chores'

  • Josephine Bell allegedly told police she had threatened to take her grandchildren's animals away as punishment if they didn't tidy up 
  • Bell was arrested at a Godfrey, Illinois home on Monday night 
  • Teenager at the home told officer she had found her dead cat in the freezer 
  • Bell allegedly told officers she had thrown away the kittens, which could not be located  

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A 71-year-old Illinois woman has been arrested after allegedly admitting that she killed her grandchildren's cat and four kittens with a hammer because they wouldn't clean their rooms. 

Josephine Bell, of Godfrey, told police she threatened to take her grandchildren's animals away as punishment if their didn't tidy their rooms, adding that she didn't think it was her responsibility to take care of the felines.

 

An officer arrived at a home reported for animal cruelty on Monday and spoke to a teenager who said she had found her dead cat in the freezer.

Josephine Bell, 71, was arrested after admitting that she killed her grandchildren's cat and four kittens with a hammer because they wouldn't clear their rooms, according to police 

Josephine Bell, 71, was arrested after admitting that she killed her grandchildren's cat and four kittens with a hammer because they wouldn't clear their rooms, according to police 

When the deputy asked the teenager what happened, Bell admitted to allegedly killing the cat and four kittens, which she said she then threw away, according to KTVI

The four kittens could not be located. The dead cat was retrieved by Godfrey Animal Control. 

Bell has been charged with aggravated cruelty to animals. 

She is currently being held at Madison County Jail on $15,000 bond.



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  • Josephine Bell allegedly told police she had threatened to take her grandchildren's animals away as punishment if they didn't tidy up 
  • Bell was arrested at a Godfrey, Illinois home on Monday night 
  • Teenager at the home told officer she had found her dead cat in the freezer 
  • Bell allegedly told officers she had thrown away the kittens, which could not be located  

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A 71-year-old Illinois woman has been arrested after allegedly admitting that she killed her grandchildren's cat and four kittens with a hammer because they wouldn't clean their rooms. 

Josephine Bell, of Godfrey, told police she threatened to take her grandchildren's animals away as punishment if their didn't tidy their rooms, adding that she didn't think it was her responsibility to take care of the felines.

 

An officer arrived at a home reported for animal cruelty on Monday and spoke to a teenager who said she had found her dead cat in the freezer.

Josephine Bell, 71, was arrested after admitting that she killed her grandchildren's cat and four kittens with a hammer because they wouldn't clear their rooms, according to police 

Josephine Bell, 71, was arrested after admitting that she killed her grandchildren's cat and four kittens with a hammer because they wouldn't clear their rooms, according to police 

When the deputy asked the teenager what happened, Bell admitted to allegedly killing the cat and four kittens, which she said she then threw away, according to KTVI

The four kittens could not be located. The dead cat was retrieved by Godfrey Animal Control. 

Bell has been charged with aggravated cruelty to animals. 

She is currently being held at Madison County Jail on $15,000 bond.



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So the kittens can't be found but charge her with it any way.

Did the cat die a quick death? Putting it in the freezer screams mental issues to me. But I just don't see using resources because someone killed a cat. If it was done quickly then there is no difference in that and putting it down.

But the woman needs help sounds like.

Why is she raising 4 grandkids?

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So the kittens can't be found but charge her with it any way.

Did the cat die a quick death? Putting it in the freezer screams mental issues to me. But I just don't see using resources because someone killed a cat. If it was done quickly then there is no difference in that and putting it down.

But the woman needs help sounds like.

Why is she raising 4 grandkids?


 Lily - this response is insane.  She killed a cat and 4 kittens in front of her grandchildren as punishment - that is sick, twisted, and shows a depraved mind.  It was both cruelty to animals and the children. 

Furthermore - yes, they can charge her anyway because there is enough evidence without the bodies of the 4 kittens. 



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So the kittens can't be found but charge her with it any way.

Did the cat die a quick death? Putting it in the freezer screams mental issues to me. But I just don't see using resources because someone killed a cat. If it was done quickly then there is no difference in that and putting it down.

But the woman needs help sounds like.

Why is she raising 4 grandkids?


 Lily - this response is insane.  She killed a cat and 4 kittens in front of her grandchildren as punishment - that is sick, twisted, and shows a depraved mind.  It was both cruelty to animals and the children. 

Furthermore - yes, they can charge her anyway because there is enough evidence without the bodies of the 4 kittens. 


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She didn't do it in front of the kids. The grand daughter found the cat in the freezer. If the granddaughter had witnessed it, wouldn't she have known before it was in the freezer?

I'm not saying the woman isn't twisted.

What I am saying is put her in the right place.

She needs a mental facility. Not a jail.


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She didn't do it in front of the kids. The grand daughter found the cat in the freezer. If the granddaughter had witnessed it, wouldn't she have known before it was in the freezer?

I'm not saying the woman isn't twisted.

What I am saying is put her in the right place.

She needs a mental facility. Not a jail.


 You don't know that.  She could just be an evil bitch.  And I don't really care where she is as long as she's not still in the house with the kids.



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I would be more concerned about the emotional damage she has done to the children rather than worrying about the cats. But that's just me. I put a higher price on humans than animals.

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If she did this, I have to wonder what else she has done to "punish" the children. She sounds like a nut job.

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So the kittens can't be found but charge her with it any way.

Did the cat die a quick death? Putting it in the freezer screams mental issues to me. But I just don't see using resources because someone killed a cat. If it was done quickly then there is no difference in that and putting it down.

But the woman needs help sounds like.

Why is she raising 4 grandkids?


 We have animal cruelty laws for a reason. I don't think killing them with a hammer was quick or painless and she deserves to be brought up on animal cruelty as well as child abuse charges.



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I would be more concerned about the emotional damage she has done to the children rather than worrying about the cats. But that's just me. I put a higher price on humans than animals.


 The cruelty to animals is the crime she committed - getting her on that gets her away from the kids. 

And people who are cruel to animals are showing their true colors.



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Stupid. If the kids won't do what you say--use the hammer on them. Duh.

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Stupid. If the kids won't do what you say--use the hammer on them. Duh.


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So the kittens can't be found but charge her with it any way.

Did the cat die a quick death? Putting it in the freezer screams mental issues to me. But I just don't see using resources because someone killed a cat. If it was done quickly then there is no difference in that and putting it down.

But the woman needs help sounds like.

Why is she raising 4 grandkids?


 How about grandma puts Monster down with a hammer in front of you and your kids?



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So the kittens can't be found but charge her with it any way.

Did the cat die a quick death? Putting it in the freezer screams mental issues to me. But I just don't see using resources because someone killed a cat. If it was done quickly then there is no difference in that and putting it down.

But the woman needs help sounds like.

Why is she raising 4 grandkids?


 How about grandma puts Monster down with a hammer in front of you and your kids?


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Lily I think you are way off on this one.

Personally I'd like to take a hammer to the miserable bitch. I'm sure she has done many other cruel things to her grandchildren.

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Killing an animal as a punishment to a child is so wrong, on so many levels.

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Killing an animal as a punishment to a child is so wrong, on so many levels.


 Yes.  I don't care if they witnessed it or not.  Finding your pet bludgeoned to death in the freezer would be horrific. 



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So the kittens can't be found but charge her with it any way.

Did the cat die a quick death? Putting it in the freezer screams mental issues to me. But I just don't see using resources because someone killed a cat. If it was done quickly then there is no difference in that and putting it down.

But the woman needs help sounds like.

Why is she raising 4 grandkids?


 How about grandma puts Monster down with a hammer in front of you and your kids?


 Well. Since my kids do their chores and my mom is not insane, it isn't necessary.

And if either of you or Flan would bother reading in whole. You would see I said gma was insane. Maybe not those exact words. 

 

I don condone killing animals like that. 

 



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So the kittens can't be found but charge her with it any way.

Did the cat die a quick death? Putting it in the freezer screams mental issues to me. But I just don't see using resources because someone killed a cat. If it was done quickly then there is no difference in that and putting it down.

But the woman needs help sounds like.

Why is she raising 4 grandkids?


 How about grandma puts Monster down with a hammer in front of you and your kids?


 Well. Since my kids do their chores and my mom is not insane, it isn't necessary.

And if either of you or Flan would bother reading in whole. You would see I said gma was insane. Maybe not those exact words. 

 

I don condone killing animals like that. 

 


You stated that resources shouldn't be used because someone killed a cat.  By that I took it to mean that she shouldn't be charged and waste court time with this nonsense. You also stated that it was no different then putting an animal down.  confuse  I'm confused by what you meant then.  I can read just fine.



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Just because you don't think something rises to the level of a crime doesn't mean you condone it or want it to happen. It just means you don't think it is as big of a deal as some others might.



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It is a waste of time and money.

And yes, animals are put down daily.

A stiff whack to the head can be a quick death.

I also said the woman is mentally ill.

Look. I love my animals.

But animals are animals. I don't value them above people.

The kids in that house need a stable family. This was a terrible thing to happen and they will never forget it.

But at the end of the day, the kids are safe. It was a cat.

Perspective.


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It is a waste of time and money.

And yes, animals are put down daily.

A stiff whack to the head can be a quick death.

I also said the woman is mentally ill.

Look. I love my animals.

But animals are animals. I don't value them above people.

The kids in that house need a stable family. This was a terrible thing to happen and they will never forget it.

But at the end of the day, the kids are safe. It was a cat.

Perspective.


What if it was a dog???  It was someone's pet!  I'm sorry you can't grasp that. You obviously don't love your animals if you think this is no big deal.  It is a crime.  Just because you don't agree with that too bad.



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Just because you don't think something rises to the level of a crime doesn't mean you condone it or want it to happen. It just means you don't think it is as big of a deal as some others might.


 Well whether you condone it or not, it's a crime.  So I don't care if you don't think it's a big deal.



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So we can't be horrified that she hammered a cat and kittens to death and also care about the kids? I think both the animals and the kids deserve better.

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Oh... and the kid's aren't safe. Something was done to them that can never be righted. It will affect who they are.

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I'm going to (somewhat) agree with Lily on this one. It was a cat. She needs help, but jail is not the place for her.

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So we can't be horrified that she hammered a cat and kittens to death and also care about the kids? I think both the animals and the kids deserve better.


 Yeah.  I think I care more about the kids than Lily or Husker does.  To them it's just another day. Ugh.



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I'm going to (somewhat) agree with Lily on this one. It was a cat. She needs help, but jail is not the place for her.


 She needs to be charged.  What happens to her after that isn't up to me or you.



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I'm going to (somewhat) agree with Lily on this one. It was a cat. She needs help, but jail is not the place for her.


 She needs to be charged.  What happens to her after that isn't up to me or you.


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Ohfour, I'm surprised you are ok with punishing kids this way. I'm surprised that Lily and Husker are too. That is cruel and it's child abuse.

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Ohfour, I'm surprised you are ok with punishing kids this way. I'm surprised that Lily and Husker are too. That is cruel and it's child abuse.


I'm not OK with it.  But she's not being charged with cruelty to the kids.  She's being charged with cruelty to animals.   



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So we can't be horrified that she hammered a cat and kittens to death and also care about the kids? I think both the animals and the kids deserve better.


 Yeah.  I think I care more about the kids than Lily or Husker does.  To them it's just another day. Ugh.


 Your. On concern has NOT been the kids--it's been the cats. She isnt being charged with cruelty to kids, either.



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So we can't be horrified that she hammered a cat and kittens to death and also care about the kids? I think both the animals and the kids deserve better.


 Yeah.  I think I care more about the kids than Lily or Husker does.  To them it's just another day. Ugh.


 Your. On concern has NOT been the kids--it's been the cats. She isnt being charged with cruelty to kids, either.


 She should be charged with child abuse (as I said up thread) because this was psychological abuse to those kids. Killing a cat with a hammer is about as vicious a way to kill it as I can imagine. We have these laws for a reason. For sickos like this is an excellent reason to use them.



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Kids living on farms see this stuff all the time. Ever see someone wring a chicken's neck? Or shot a deer or a rabbit?

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So we can't be horrified that she hammered a cat and kittens to death and also care about the kids? I think both the animals and the kids deserve better.


 Yeah.  I think I care more about the kids than Lily or Husker does.  To them it's just another day. Ugh.


 Your. On concern has NOT been the kids--it's been the cats. She isnt being charged with cruelty to kids, either.


 Yes it has.  Go back and read.  My posts show concern for the kids and the pets.



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Kids living on farms see this stuff all the time. Ever see someone wring a chicken's neck? Or shot a deer or a rabbit?


 They're not living on a farm. And those aren't pets!



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When I was a kid my cat got hit by a car. I didn't watch it happen bus saw the dead body on the side of the road. I didn't know who did it & knew it was an accident. I was still in tears for days. I can't imagine how inconsolable I would have been if I knew my grandmother did it on purpose as punishment for me not doing my chores. Let alone the 4 baby kittens too. That is a heavy load to lay on those kids. It is ****ty & cruel.

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Kids living on farms see this stuff all the time. Ever see someone wring a chicken's neck? Or shot a deer or a rabbit?


 They're not living on a farm. And those aren't pets!


A lot of farm kids raise animals as pets.  Then they eat them.  I've seen animals killed.  I don't have any psychological issues. 



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Ohfour, I'm surprised you are ok with punishing kids this way. I'm surprised that Lily and Husker are too. That is cruel and it's child abuse.


 LOL!!!  Where do you get your BS????  Where did  I say I was "ok" with it???  Try READING my very first post where I said it was stupid.  



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When I was a kid my cat got hit by a car. I didn't watch it happen bus saw the dead body on the side of the road. I didn't know who did it & knew it was an accident. I was still in tears for days. I can't imagine how inconsolable I would have been if I knew my grandmother did it on purpose as punishment for me not doing my chores. Let alone the 4 baby kittens too. That is a heavy load to lay on those kids. It is ****ty & cruel.


 I totally agree.  And I'm sorry that happened to you.



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Ohfour, I'm surprised you are ok with punishing kids this way. I'm surprised that Lily and Husker are too. That is cruel and it's child abuse.


 LOL!!!  Where do you get your BS????  Where did  I say I was "ok" with it???  Try READING my very first post where I said it was stupid.  


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Just because you don't think something rises to the level of a crime doesn't mean you condone it or want it to happen. It just means you don't think it is as big of a deal as some others might.


 Well whether you condone it or not, it's a crime.  So I don't care if you don't think it's a big deal.


 You obviously do care because youve been bitching about it for half a dozen posts or more.



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Ohfour, I'm surprised you are ok with punishing kids this way. I'm surprised that Lily and Husker are too. That is cruel and it's child abuse.


 LOL!!!  Where do you get your BS????  Where did  I say I was "ok" with it???  Try READING my very first post where I said it was stupid.  


 Is your name Ohfour?


 LOL!!!   You cant even keep track of the **** you post.  You named lily and I as well.  I even quoted you.



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Kids living on farms see this stuff all the time. Ever see someone wring a chicken's neck? Or shot a deer or a rabbit?


 They're not living on a farm. And those aren't pets!


A lot of farm kids raise animals as pets.  Then they eat them.  I've seen animals killed.  I don't have any psychological issues. 


Well I would hope that if your grandkids ever got a cat or dog that you wouldn't take it upon yourself to bludgeon it to death if they were bad and then leave it in the freezer for them to find.  I don't care what you saw.



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Just because you don't think something rises to the level of a crime doesn't mean you condone it or want it to happen. It just means you don't think it is as big of a deal as some others might.


 Well whether you condone it or not, it's a crime.  So I don't care if you don't think it's a big deal.


 You obviously do care because youve been bitching about it for half a dozen posts or more.


 No.  I honestly don't care what you think.  I'm just letting MY feelings be known.



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Ohfour wrote:

Kids living on farms see this stuff all the time. Ever see someone wring a chicken's neck? Or shot a deer or a rabbit?


 They're not living on a farm. And those aren't pets!


A lot of farm kids raise animals as pets.  Then they eat them.  I've seen animals killed.  I don't have any psychological issues. 


Well I would hope that if your grandkids ever got a cat or dog that you wouldn't take it upon yourself to bludgeon it to death and then leave it in the freezer for them to find.  I don't care what you saw.


Of course I wouldn't do that!  But I think the wrong charges are being brought against her... 



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Just because you don't think something rises to the level of a crime doesn't mean you condone it or want it to happen. It just means you don't think it is as big of a deal as some others might.


 Well whether you condone it or not, it's a crime.  So I don't care if you don't think it's a big deal.


 You obviously do care because youve been bitching about it for half a dozen posts or more.


 No.  I honestly don't care what you think.  I'm just letting MY feelings be known.


 You are still bitChing about it!!  LOL!!!



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Ohfour wrote:
msrock wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
msrock wrote:
Ohfour wrote:

Kids living on farms see this stuff all the time. Ever see someone wring a chicken's neck? Or shot a deer or a rabbit?


 They're not living on a farm. And those aren't pets!


A lot of farm kids raise animals as pets.  Then they eat them.  I've seen animals killed.  I don't have any psychological issues. 


Well I would hope that if your grandkids ever got a cat or dog that you wouldn't take it upon yourself to bludgeon it to death and then leave it in the freezer for them to find.  I don't care what you saw.


Of course I wouldn't do that!  But I think the wrong charges are being brought against her... 


 I know you wouldn't. 



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