TOTALLY GEEKED!

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Ohfour wrote:

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msrock wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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msrock wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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Kids living on farms see this stuff all the time. Ever see someone wring a chicken's neck? Or shot a deer or a rabbit?

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 They're not living on a farm. And those aren't pets!

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A lot of farm kids raise animals as pets.  Then they eat them.  I've seen animals killed.  I don't have any psychological issues. 

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Well I would hope that if your grandkids ever got a cat or dog that you wouldn't take it upon yourself to bludgeon it to death and then leave it in the freezer for them to find.  I don't care what you saw.

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Of course I wouldn't do that!  But I think the wrong charges are being brought against her... 

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 I know you wouldn't. 

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Now, MY cats on the other hand...I'm not so sure about that.

I"M KIDDING!!!!!!!! 

She should have said she was doing it for the cats well being. Maybe the cat was having headaches and she couldn't stand to see it suffer. And the kittens couldn't live without their mom.

She would have had all kinds of sympathy then.

Come on people. You have more sympathy for the guy that killed his daughter, and family than for the grandma who killed the cat.

Twisted.

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Why is it those of us who value human life over animal life are dubbed animal abusers? Why is it implied that we don't like animals, because we're more worried about the children than the pets?

I agree with ohfour. I think the wrong charges were brought. Then again, it's probably easier to get her on animal cruelty than child cruelty if there is nothing else for them to go on....and we don't know if she killed the cats in front of the kids.

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 Who's doing that?  I value human life over animal life.  I think pretty much everyone does.

Kids (at least the ones I know around here) are raised to look at farm animals as food not pets. Of course kids are in ffa get attached to their animals and sometimes cry at auctions but they understand what is happineing even at 4-5 years old. That is different then bludgeoning a cat and her kittens to death just out of meanness.

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Why is it those of us who value human life over animal life are dubbed animal abusers? Why is it implied that we don't like animals, because we're more worried about the children than the pets?

I agree with ohfour. I think the wrong charges were brought. Then again, it's probably easier to get her on animal cruelty than child cruelty if there is nothing else for them to go on....and we don't know if she killed the cats in front of the kids.

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 I did not mean to imply (and I really don't think I did) that animals are more important than people. I just think what she did was twisted. She should be charged with cruelty to animals and the abuse of the kids. That is clearly why she did it.

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Why is it those of us who value human life over animal life are dubbed animal abusers? Why is it implied that we don't like animals, because we're more worried about the children than the pets?

I agree with ohfour. I think the wrong charges were brought. Then again, it's probably easier to get her on animal cruelty than child cruelty if there is nothing else for them to go on....and we don't know if she killed the cats in front of the kids.

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 Why is it that you assume we are not concerned about the kids because we are concerned about the animals?  Anyone who would do that to the kids' pets should not be around the children. 

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msrock wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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msrock wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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Kids living on farms see this stuff all the time. Ever see someone wring a chicken's neck? Or shot a deer or a rabbit?

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 They're not living on a farm. And those aren't pets!

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A lot of farm kids raise animals as pets.  Then they eat them.  I've seen animals killed.  I don't have any psychological issues. 

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Well I would hope that if your grandkids ever got a cat or dog that you wouldn't take it upon yourself to bludgeon it to death and then leave it in the freezer for them to find.  I don't care what you saw.

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Of course I wouldn't do that!  But I think the wrong charges are being brought against her... 

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 And what charges would you suggest?  These are the charges being brought against her because they are the ones they have evidence on to convict her.

No argument here.

My brother / SIL 's oldest son was a handful. He was a normal kid when he was with me, but not with his parents.

SIL used to SCREAM at him all. the. time.

Then when he "misbehaved" she would pick up a nearby toy, and tell her DS1 that if he didn't behave, she would break the toy.

He would grin and continue ...

then she would say "I TOLD YOU!" and break the toy. (Their house was littered with broken toys.)

What she didn't know or didn't care about was,

the toys she broke were always his little brother's toys.

 

 

I'm NOT saying she, or anyone, should have done this.

However, they're cats. You can't throw a rock without hitting a litter of kittens that someone wants to give away. The fact is that they aren't that valuable.

They aren't an endangered species--in fact, it could be successfully argued that there are too damn many of them.

Again, not saying she or anyone should do this--I'm just not going to get all bent out of shape over it. They're cats--not people.

These were not feral cats, these were not a random bag of kittens that showed up on her doorstep, these were her gra dchildrens PETS.
The why is more terrifying than the what here. They were not just cats, the were loved by her children.
Have you ever successfully comforted a child that lost a pet with 'it was only an animal.'? I thought not.

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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These were not feral cats, these were not a random bag of kittens that showed up on her doorstep, these were her gra dchildrens PETS.
The why is more terrifying than the what here. They were not just cats, the were loved by her children.
Have you ever successfully comforted a child that lost a pet with 'it was only an animal.'? I thought not.

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  That is the difference.   I taught a class of pre-schoolers and always they wanted to Pray for their sick kittys  or that their lost dog would come home.  Even high school kids love their pets.  I would not risk my life or those in my car to  keep from hitting a cat/dog if the choice was either them or a car accident but to kill your grandkids cats in a cruel way says something about her mental state.

Ohfour wrote:

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Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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These were not feral cats, these were not a random bag of kittens that showed up on her doorstep, these were her gra dchildrens PETS.
The why is more terrifying than the what here. They were not just cats, the were loved by her children.
Have you ever successfully comforted a child that lost a pet with 'it was only an animal.'? I thought not.

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Um, yeah.  I don't get attached to animals.  That's exactly what I have said... 

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But the children were.  You don't get to decide how other people feel about animals just because you don't.

Lexxy wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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These were not feral cats, these were not a random bag of kittens that showed up on her doorstep, these were her gra dchildrens PETS.
The why is more terrifying than the what here. They were not just cats, the were loved by her children.
Have you ever successfully comforted a child that lost a pet with 'it was only an animal.'? I thought not.

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Um, yeah.  I don't get attached to animals.  That's exactly what I have said... 

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But the children were.  You don't get to decide how other people feel about animals just because you don't.

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 She killed them BECAUSE the children were attached to them.  That is beyond cruelty.  To both children & animals.

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 yep.

I get attached to my pets.

The first time I ever saw DH1 cry was when Sasha, our rescue cat, jumped off our second-floor balcony & ran away into a cold, rainy night.

flan

Lexxy wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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These were not feral cats, these were not a random bag of kittens that showed up on her doorstep, these were her gra dchildrens PETS.
The why is more terrifying than the what here. They were not just cats, the were loved by her children.
Have you ever successfully comforted a child that lost a pet with 'it was only an animal.'? I thought not.

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Um, yeah.  I don't get attached to animals.  That's exactly what I have said... 

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But the children were.  You don't get to decide how other people feel about animals just because you don't.

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 She killed them BECAUSE the children were attached to them.  That is beyond cruelty.  To both children & animals.

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 I agree.  It was horrible.

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Is it as evil as tearing a child apart limb by limb in the womb? Just thought i'd toss that out there.

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 Nope.  

Of course not. Its what we do.

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Most serial killers started killing animals and dismembering them in the killer's youth. Anyone who takes a hammer to innocent pets have a propensity to abuse humans.

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There's something hideous and evil inside a person that could kill a family pet with a hammer and then throw it in the freezer instead of disposing of the body.  The kids didn't have to know what really happened, if she had any shred of decency.  She made sure that they knew.  I don't care if you like animals or not.  All of her victims (cats and kids) were innocent.  This was just sick and she needs to be held accountable. 

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She should have said she was doing it for the cats well being. Maybe the cat was having headaches and she couldn't stand to see it suffer. And the kittens couldn't live without their mom.

She would have had all kinds of sympathy then.

Come on people. You have more sympathy for the guy that killed his daughter, and family than for the grandma who killed the cat.

Twisted.

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 Actually no.  Never.  There's a humane way to put a kitty down... and it's not beating it to death with a hammer.  Your posts on this thread are what's twisted. 

lilyofcourse wrote:

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msrock wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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She should have said she was doing it for the cats well being. Maybe the cat was having headaches and she couldn't stand to see it suffer. And the kittens couldn't live without their mom.

She would have had all kinds of sympathy then.

Come on people. You have more sympathy for the guy that killed his daughter, and family than for the grandma who killed the cat.

Twisted.

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 Actually no.  Never.  There's a humane way to put a kitty down... and it's not beating it to death with a hammer.  Your posts on this thread are what's twisted. 

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 You completely missed the point.

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 No I didn't.  I saw your point.  And it sucked.  You wanted grandma to make an excuse about cat headaches to justify hammering the family pet to death.

 

Right over the top of your head.

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How would any person know if a cat had a headache?? That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

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 There was a thread about a guy who murdered his daughter because she had terrible migraines, then killed his wife because he didn't want her to suffer the loss of her child, then killed his sister so she wouldn't know what he'd done. Some people had all kinds of sympathy for this "poor guy". Most of those who had sympathy for the "poor guy" are now outraged that the cat and kittens were killed. Just so you understand the reference.

I wouldn't compare killing a human to killing a cat, personally. BUT, the killing of the cats is heinous enough to be horrible all on its own. Especially with the reason she did it.