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lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

RE: Grandmother 'killed cat and four kittens belonging to her grandchildren with a HAMMER because they wouldn't do chore

chillepeppa · Regular

I still fail to see how the 2 cases are remotely comparable...

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Not surprised by that either.

Tinydancer · Guru

chillepeppa wrote:
I still fail to see how the 2 cases are remotely comparable...

I'm not comparing the cases just the emotions they both provoked. The murderer gets sympathy while the grandma is totally evil. The father killed his whole family while the grandmother killed some cats. Such a picture that paints.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Tinydancer wrote:
chillepeppa wrote:
I still fail to see how the 2 cases are remotely comparable...

I'm not comparing the cases just the emotions they both provoked. The murderer gets sympathy while the grandma is totally evil. The father killed his whole family while the grandmother killed some cats. Such a picture that paints.

I agree.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

MOTIVATION

flan

chillepeppa · Regular

As stated up-thread, and in the other thread, his actions got no sympathy from me, so not sure why that keeps getting thrown around as a general statement. I can however sympathize with the father feeling of hopelessness towards his daughters illness. The GM on the other hand, not so much.

Tinydancer · Guru

chillepeppa wrote:
As stated up-thread, and in the other thread, his actions got no sympathy from me, so not sure why that keeps getting thrown around as a general statement. I can however sympathize with the father feeling of hopelessness towards his daughters illness. The GM on the other hand, not so much.

Well maybe because you keep qualifying the first statement with the second statement. So which is it? Sympathy for him or no sympathy for him? Or do you prefer to try to have it both ways?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Tinydancer wrote:
chillepeppa wrote:
As stated up-thread, and in the other thread, his actions got no sympathy from me, so not sure why that keeps getting thrown around as a general statement. I can however sympathize with the father feeling of hopelessness towards his daughters illness. The GM on the other hand, not so much.
Well maybe because you keep qualifying the first statement with the second statement. So which is it? Sympathy for him or no sympathy for him? Or do you prefer to try to have it both ways?

Can you read?

Actions = NO sympathy

Feelings = sympathy

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

Grandmother 'killed cat and four kittens belonging to her grandchildren with a HAMMER because they wouldn't do chores'

Blankie · Guru

RE: Grandmother 'killed cat and four kittens belonging to her grandchildren with a HAMMER because they wouldn't do chore

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Sometimes it's hard to actually think for yourself.

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

In your case I guess it is.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Blankie wrote:
Sociopaths and psychopaths often start out with cruelty to animals.
So will Grandma be killing the kids next?
Chilling story.

And you know this wasn't the first time she was cruel to her grandkids.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Tinydancer wrote:
In your case I guess it is.

I'm the one who can differentiate between ACTIONS and FEELINGS.

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

Yes we know you're all about "feelings" not about what's actually right and wrong.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

I am SO thankful I don't live in a Black and White world.

flan

chillepeppa · Regular

Tinydancer wrote:
chillepeppa wrote:
As stated up-thread, and in the other thread, his actions got no sympathy from me, so not sure why that keeps getting thrown around as a general statement. I can however sympathize with the father feeling of hopelessness towards his daughters illness. The GM on the other hand, not so much.
Well maybe because you keep qualifying the first statement with the second statement. So which is it? Sympathy for him or no sympathy for him? Or do you prefer to try to have it both ways?

I don't understand your confusion.

Tinydancer · Guru

flan327 wrote:
I am SO thankful I don't live in a Black and White world.

flan

You do live in a black and white world. You have sympathy for people with black hearts and none for those with nice white hearts. Keep pretending that you don't favor deviant behavior over just normal people and I'll pretend you just don't know any better.

Tinydancer · Guru

chillepeppa wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
chillepeppa wrote:
As stated up-thread, and in the other thread, his actions got no sympathy from me, so not sure why that keeps getting thrown around as a general statement. I can however sympathize with the father feeling of hopelessness towards his daughters illness. The GM on the other hand, not so much.
Well maybe because you keep qualifying the first statement with the second statement. So which is it? Sympathy for him or no sympathy for him? Or do you prefer to try to have it both ways?
I don't understand your confusion.

I'm not confused at all so it makes sense that you don't understand it...lol. Nice deflection though.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Tinydancer wrote:
flan327 wrote:
I am SO thankful I don't live in a Black and White world.

flan
You do live in a black and white world. You have sympathy for people with black hearts and none for those with nice white hearts. Keep pretending that you don't favor deviant behavior over just normal people and I'll pretend you just don't know any better.

We have different definitions of "deviant."

Do you HONESTLY think that YOU could change my mind?

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Tinydancer wrote:
chillepeppa wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
chillepeppa wrote:
As stated up-thread, and in the other thread, his actions got no sympathy from me, so not sure why that keeps getting thrown around as a general statement. I can however sympathize with the father feeling of hopelessness towards his daughters illness. The GM on the other hand, not so much.
Well maybe because you keep qualifying the first statement with the second statement. So which is it? Sympathy for him or no sympathy for him? Or do you prefer to try to have it both ways?
I don't understand your confusion.
I'm not confused at all so it makes sense that you don't understand it...lol. Nice deflection though.

So if you're NOT confused, are you deliberately being obtuse?

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
flan327 wrote:
I am SO thankful I don't live in a Black and White world.

flan
You do live in a black and white world. You have sympathy for people with black hearts and none for those with nice white hearts. Keep pretending that you don't favor deviant behavior over just normal people and I'll pretend you just don't know any better.
We have different definitions of "deviant."
Do you HONESTLY think that YOU could change my mind?
flan

No but I sure can point out your hypocrisy.

Tinydancer · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
chillepeppa wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
chillepeppa wrote:
As stated up-thread, and in the other thread, his actions got no sympathy from me, so not sure why that keeps getting thrown around as a general statement. I can however sympathize with the father feeling of hopelessness towards his daughters illness. The GM on the other hand, not so much.
Well maybe because you keep qualifying the first statement with the second statement. So which is it? Sympathy for him or no sympathy for him? Or do you prefer to try to have it both ways?
I don't understand your confusion.
I'm not confused at all so it makes sense that you don't understand it...lol. Nice deflection though.
So if you're NOT confused, are you deliberately being obtuse?
flan

Seems to me you're the one being obtuse. Like I said, talking out of both sides of your mouth makes both statements a lie.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Feelings are NOT actions.

Good grief, it's not rocket science.

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

Grandmother 'killed cat and four kittens belonging to her grandchildren with a HAMMER because they wouldn't do chores'

chillepeppa · Regular

RE: Grandmother 'killed cat and four kittens belonging to her grandchildren with a HAMMER because they wouldn't do chore

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

If feelings/motivation = actions, then please explain to me why our legal system has differing charges for the same crime?

Murder

BECAUSE it matters if it was pre-meditated, in the heat of the moment OR an accident.

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

flan327 wrote:
If feelings/motivation = actions, then please explain to me why our legal system has differing charges for the same crime?

Murder

BECAUSE it matters if it was pre-meditated, in the heat of the moment OR an accident.

flan

But he acted on these feelings so that's just a really ridiculous point.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

chillepeppa wrote:
As stated up-thread, and in the other thread, his actions got no sympathy from me, so not sure why that keeps getting thrown around as a general statement. I can however sympathize with the father feeling of hopelessness towards his daughters illness. The GM on the other hand, not so much.

I have no idea what that thread has to do with this one. It's like people have no real valid point on this topic, so they have to deflect.

chillepeppa · Regular

Lawyerlady wrote:
chillepeppa wrote:
As stated up-thread, and in the other thread, his actions got no sympathy from me, so not sure why that keeps getting thrown around as a general statement. I can however sympathize with the father feeling of hopelessness towards his daughters illness. The GM on the other hand, not so much.
I have no idea what that thread has to do with this one. It's like people have no real valid point on this topic, so they have to deflect.

Someone else will have to help you with that one. Not sure who brought that thread here initially.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

People kill animals. It isn't the end of the world. Cats are a dime a dozen. However, to kill cats as punishment towards her grandkids seems very cruel. I think she should be charged with that and fined. But, mostly, I agree with Lilly that she needs mental health help.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
People kill animals. It isn't the end of the world. Cats are a dime a dozen. However, to kill cats as punishment towards her grandkids seems very cruel. I think she should be charged with that and fined. But, mostly, I agree with Lilly that she needs mental health help.

Pretty much.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I don't understand assuming she needs mental health help. Maybe she's just a mean, nasty, horrid person.

huskerbb · Guru

Because normal people, even those that could hardly be more ambivalent about cats, such as myself, still don't take a hammer to a litter of kittens.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Because normal people, even those that could hardly be more ambivalent about cats, such as myself, still don't take a hammer to a litter of kittens.

But abnormal doesn't necessarily mean mentally ill - it could just mean evil.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Well, that is a valid point too. Maybe so. But, I would rule out mental health issues first, then go from there.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

And quite frankly - I don't care.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Well, this could be important. If it is entirely out of character for someone who had been otherwise loving, then it might be a sign of organic brain syndrome, that's why.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Well, this could be important. If it is entirely out of character for someone who had been otherwise loving, then it might be a sign of organic brain syndrome, that's why.

She didn't just pick up a hammer and go nuts. She threatened them with it if they didn't clean their rooms and then LATER did it. It was premeditated.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Well, this could be important. If it is entirely out of character for someone who had been otherwise loving, then it might be a sign of organic brain syndrome, that's why.
She didn't just pick up a hammer and go nuts. She threatened them with it if they didn't clean their rooms and then LATER did it. It was premeditated.

I know. So what? I didn't say "temporary insanity". I said organic brain syndrome. Which means her thinking and judgment is screwed up.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Well, this could be important. If it is entirely out of character for someone who had been otherwise loving, then it might be a sign of organic brain syndrome, that's why.
She didn't just pick up a hammer and go nuts. She threatened them with it if they didn't clean their rooms and then LATER did it. It was premeditated.
I know. So what? I didn't say "temporary insanity". I said organic brain syndrome. Which means her thinking and judgment is screwed up.

She said what she was going to do, she gave a reason for it, and she did it. That's pretty methodical thinking - and therefore not likely to be caused by a brain disorder.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I realize it is difficult to imagine people doing horrible things - but they do. There is not always a mental illness or other illness to explain it. Sometimes it just is was it is. Evil. Mean. Horrible.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Well, this could be important. If it is entirely out of character for someone who had been otherwise loving, then it might be a sign of organic brain syndrome, that's why.
She didn't just pick up a hammer and go nuts. She threatened them with it if they didn't clean their rooms and then LATER did it. It was premeditated.
I know. So what? I didn't say "temporary insanity". I said organic brain syndrome. Which means her thinking and judgment is screwed up.
She said what she was going to do, she gave a reason for it, and she did it. That's pretty methodical thinking - and therefore not likely to be caused by a brain disorder.

You understand the pathophysiology of Organic brain syndrome?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Organic brain syndrome is simply a generic term for brain malfunctions due to physical illnesses, like Alzheimer's, bleeding in the brain, etc.

There is no evidence of physical issues, and an Alzheimer's patient could not be that clear thinking.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Organic brain syndrome is simply a generic term for brain malfunctions due to physical illnesses, like Alzheimer's, bleeding in the brain, etc.

There is no evidence of physical issues, and an Alzheimer's patient could not be that clear thinking.

Do you understand Alzheimer's or OBS? It isnt' always all or nothing. Many of them can still function and have periods of lucidity.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Organic brain syndrome is simply a generic term for brain malfunctions due to physical illnesses, like Alzheimer's, bleeding in the brain, etc.

There is no evidence of physical issues, and an Alzheimer's patient could not be that clear thinking.
Do you understand Alzheimer's or OBS? It isnt' always all or nothing. Many of them can still function and have periods of lucidity.

If they are lucid - their actions are not a result of the Alzheimer's.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

You are making excuses for her with no basis for doing so.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Organic brain syndrome is simply a generic term for brain malfunctions due to physical illnesses, like Alzheimer's, bleeding in the brain, etc.

There is no evidence of physical issues, and an Alzheimer's patient could not be that clear thinking.
Do you understand Alzheimer's or OBS? It isnt' always all or nothing. Many of them can still function and have periods of lucidity.
If they are lucid - their actions are not a result of the Alzheimer's.

Wow. You really have no medical understanding of this whatsoever. Many of these diseases are progressive. They gradually deteriorate.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
You are making excuses for her with no basis for doing so.

I don't see how saying she should be medically evaluated for mental health issues is "making excuses".