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The Real Reason Christianity Is Still in Decline

Posted: 05/20/2015 1:27 pm EDT Updated: 05/21/2015 10:59 pm EDT

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The most recent Pew forum study, which show that numbers of people identifying with any brand of Christianity is still in decline, should surprise no one. But as is the case any time such a study comes out, Christians are looking for reasons why.

By now we know a lot of the basic reasons: people are busier, they are more mobile, there's less social stigma about not going to church, folks don't trust us, etc. But I'm interested in looking at it from three different perspectives, rather than just from the inside of Christianity. After all, there's far more at play here than just Christians not practicing what they preach.

Christians never will be perfect, so why do we pretend otherwise? There's always a big headline whenever a church leader falls from grace. From Robert Tilton and Ted Haggard to Mark Driscoll, they all fall, sooner or later, it seems. And yes, part of the problem is that power corrupts, and church leaders perhaps more than anyone else are too often given carte blanche authority to do what they feel is right. Unlimited trust plus unlimited power -- regardless of the person at the focus -- is a recipe for big trouble.

But corruption isn't the only problem. The bigger problem is honesty.

I'm not just talking about leaders lying about their transgressions. I mean that all Christians, as a whole, have a tendency to promote a false veneer of flawlessness to the world, as if somehow once you are a Christian, your hair is perennially straight, teeth are white, and your bodily functions magically smell like roses.

I really appreciate the approach fellow author/blogger Nadia Bolz Weber takes when talking to a newcomer to her Denver congregation. Inevitably, no matter who they are or where they come, a newcomer goes through what we call a "Honeymoon Phase" at any church, where (like in any new relationship) they only see the good in the church, in the pastor, and so on. And a leader who is not onto themselves will play into that, because it feels good. But it's not real, and it's a setup for disaster.

In her interview with Krista Tippet for "On Being," she explains what she says to anyone newly in love with the church. "I'm glad you love it here," she says "but...at some point, I will disappoint you or the church will let you down. Please decide on this side of that happening if, after it happens, you will still stick around. Because if you leave, you will miss the way that God's grace comes in and fills in the cracks of our brokenness. And it's too beautiful to miss. Don't miss it."

Three things happen in this disclosure. First, it helps to set more realistic expectations, both for the church leader and the congregation as a whole. Second, it brings the pastor down off a pedestal where they never should have been in the first place.

But third, and most important, it redirects everyone's attention toward the opportunity for Grace to enter in. After all, why look for grace, support and healing if we are still trying to convince ourselves we're perfect? And if Church does anything beyond bringing people together for mutual accountability, support and to help bear witness to each others' lives, it should redirect our individual and collective attention away from ourselves and toward something bigger than us.

From our church signs to our "evangelism" efforts, we're so focused on what others need to be more like us, that we don't spend half as much energy or time vulnerably and honestly sharing our own imperfections and messed-up-ness with others. Why do that? Because it assures people we're no better than they are, that, they're not alone, and that we all need each other, and just maybe, God.

But beyond that, when we admit we actually really suck sometimes, it assures people they can actually trust us, which is far more important than earning their short-lived admiration.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christian-piatt/the-real-reason-christianity-is-still-in-decline-_b_7344528.html

 



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I agree with this. People are sick of the phoniness and pretense. There are some honest churches out there with honest church members who are trying to walk with God but understand we are all flawed human beings. When you toss people out on their ear like trash for transgressions, then what have they really learned? Where is the forgiveness and mercy of Jesus? Seems like they want people to hide their flaws but once exposed, goodbye. So, it is any wonder the great lengths people go to hiding any personal struggles?

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

I agree with this. People are sick of the phoniness and pretense. There are some honest churches out there with honest church members who are trying to walk with God but understand we are all flawed human beings. When you toss people out on their ear like trash for transgressions, then what have they really learned? Where is the forgiveness and mercy of Jesus? Seems like they want people to hide their flaws but once exposed, goodbye. So, it is any wonder the great lengths people go to hiding any personal struggles?


 I really like this!

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1 Timothy 4:1But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, 2by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron,…

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Yes. And, that applies to those sitting in church as well. There is lots of false teaching out there.

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Pure BS. Christians more than anyone understand that human beings are sinful and we needs God's love and forgiveness. It's the unchurched who say things like "why should I go to church, those people are no better than i am."

Every Sunday we open church with this:

"Almighty God, Heavenly Father, I a poor, miserable sinner confess unto thee all my sins and iniquities with which I have ever offended thee and justly deserve thy temporal and eternal punishment....."

Christians know that they are sinful human beings. They know they deserve Gods wrath and punishment. It's the unchurched who, when asked why they should get to go to heaven that say something like "well, I try to be a good person."

A Christian says either "I don't deserve to go to heaven, or only by Gods grace and mercy."

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I'm not just talking about leaders lying about their transgressions. I mean that all Christians, as a whole, have a tendency to promote a false veneer of flawlessness to the world, as if somehow once you are a Christian, your hair is perennially straight, teeth are white, and your bodily functions magically smell like roses.
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Christianity is anything but flawless and how could it be otherwise ?--being saved doesn't suddenly make one richer, more intelligent, more popular, more intuitive, etc.--the Christian life is a life of striving, of trying over and over, of falling down from time to time ( in a fashion, similar to the Tao )--being Christian doesn't make one a finished product at all but rather notifies the world that one is on the path to righteousness, to salvation--that one is committed to the journey itself and not only to the tenets as they are understood

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I'm not just talking about leaders lying about their transgressions. I mean that all Christians, as a whole, have a tendency to promote a false veneer of flawlessness to the world, as if somehow once you are a Christian, your hair is perennially straight, teeth are white, and your bodily functions magically smell like roses.
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Christianity is anything but flawless and how could it be otherwise ?--being saved doesn't suddenly make one richer, more intelligent, more popular, more intuitive, etc.--the Christian life is a life of striving, of trying over and over, of falling down from time to time ( in a fashion, similar to the Tao )--being Christian doesn't make one a finished product at all but rather notifies the world that one is on the path to righteousness, to salvation--that one is committed to the journey itself and not only to the tenets as they are understood


 Holy crap I agree with burns.  Being a Christian isn't a sign that you are "better", it's an admission you are weak and need God's love and forgiveness.



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"After all, why look for grace, support and healing if we are still trying to convince ourselves we're perfect? And if Church does anything beyond bringing people together for mutual accountability, support and to help bear witness to each others' lives, it should redirect our individual and collective attention away from ourselves and toward something bigger than us."

This is an interesting paragraph. And I think this is why 12 step programs work, and God's grace is in action in those meetings every day. Some call them the new church of the modern era.  Because people come together and admit their humanness and their brokenness, and help each other to find God's grace through the 12 steps. Not with judgment, but with compassion.

 



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huskerbb wrote:
burns07 wrote:


I'm not just talking about leaders lying about their transgressions. I mean that all Christians, as a whole, have a tendency to promote a false veneer of flawlessness to the world, as if somehow once you are a Christian, your hair is perennially straight, teeth are white, and your bodily functions magically smell like roses.
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Christianity is anything but flawless and how could it be otherwise ?--being saved doesn't suddenly make one richer, more intelligent, more popular, more intuitive, etc.--the Christian life is a life of striving, of trying over and over, of falling down from time to time ( in a fashion, similar to the Tao )--being Christian doesn't make one a finished product at all but rather notifies the world that one is on the path to righteousness, to salvation--that one is committed to the journey itself and not only to the tenets as they are understood


 Holy crap I agree with burns.  Being a Christian isn't a sign that you are "better", it's an admission you are weak and need God's love and forgiveness.


 I agree with  you both.



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Quick! Someone check the thermometer in Hell.

I agree with Lady Gaga Snerd, burns07, huskerbb, and Lawyerlady.

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