TOTALLY GEEKED!

WYSIWYG · Guru

RE: School tells girl she can't mention God in her assignments about her life.

WYSIWYG · Guru

Thanks. But some here disagree. I'll be the first one to say there are times there should be separation of church and state. THIS isn't one of them. And for someone to say it is is just stupid. She wasn't hurting ANYONE. And people who say stuff like this are the very reason Christians are fighting so hard to keep their rights!
- Nobody Just Nobody

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This is exactly one of those times. Either religion should be allowed in schoolwork or it shouldn't be. It can't be a "we'll allow it in situations 1,2, and 3, but not in situations 4, 5, and 6" kind of thing. Because what about the missed thought of situation 7, or 8, or 9?

It's a slippery slope that I don't think schools need to be going down.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

You're definitely not a Christian. This is a clear cut case of discrimination. When you first came on this board I just thought you were confused or misinformed. Now I realize you're just here to pick fights and put down people who truly are Christians.

WYSIWYG · Guru

Well, let's try to stick with reality here and quit making up situations that may or may not ever happen. Your "what if" situation wasn't what happened so I don't see why you had to what if another reason for it. She wasn't asked to give her testimony and if she had she would have, rightly, gotten into trouble. The OP said she was supposed to write about inspiration and she did. What if till the day is long but you're not dealing with the actual FACTS of what happened. Not that facts actually matter to you.
- Nobody Just Nobody

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You like facts? Here's one for you: the saying "if you give them an inch, they will take a mile" exists for a reason.

Allowing religion into a public school, in any graded amount, is a bad idea because of the precedent of people doing just that. Being given an inch and taking a mile.

WYSIWYG · Guru

You're definitely not a Christian. This is a clear cut case of discrimination. When you first came on this board I just thought you were confused or misinformed. Now I realize you're just here to pick fights and put down people who truly are Christians.
- Nobody Just Nobody

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And you show your Christianity well with comments like that.

We have different beliefs. If you can't or won't accept that, that's not my problem. I believe God will forgive you. God forgives all.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

They weren't allowing religion. They asked her simply to state what inspired her. And my aren't you all judgey. Funny how YOU get to judge but you don't like others to. No, you are not a Christian. A Christian loves god and would be offended by this. The fact that you are fighting so hard to remove god from everything says more about YOU than me. It's sad that your "faith" is so fragile that it can be threatened by someone else talking about what they believe in.

chef · Guru

I would have a fit if my son were told he could not mention God in school assignments when doing so is relevant. Thankfully, DH's and my Church has a school on site that we will be looking into. We both want to avoid DS going to public school.

WYSIWYG · Guru

They weren't allowing religion. They asked her simply to state what inspired her. And my aren't you all judgey. Funny how YOU get to judge but you don't like others to. No, you are not a Christian. A Christian loves god and would be offended by this. The fact that you are fighting so hard to remove god from everything says more about YOU than me. It's sad that your "faith" is so fragile that it can be threatened by someone else talking about what they believe in.
- Nobody Just Nobody

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Was it a graded assignment? If it was, they were "allowing religion" if they accepted it for a grade.

And I'm not being "judgey". Not all Christians believe exactly, word for word, thought for thought, as you do. Your commentary shows your Christianity, and shows it quite well. It's a fact. I thought you liked facts. I never said what it says about you. I just mentioned that it does speak about you, and that it speaks about you loudly and clearly. If you judge that what you say speaks ill of you, then maybe you are the one judging, not me.

And I don't want God removed from everything. Where the heck did you ever get that idea? I just understand that in a secular society that lives by a code of equality for all religions, the government and governmental entities cannot and should not favor any one religion over all others. Put God on your lawn, put God on your car (I had a "Jesus rides shotgun" bumper sticker on my last car), even put God in your business, so long as it's not forced on employees or patrons in violation of any laws, if you like. Just because we believe that God is everywhere doesn't mean we have to "push" Him so hard. Belief shouldn't be by brainwashing, belief should be because the person wants to believe.

chef · Guru

Um, yea ... no. The Bible does not teach to only worship God in certain places or at certain times. "Turning off" one's Christianity just because it's not PC is offensive to God.

Matthew 10:32-33 KJV: "32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. 33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven."

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Fact: The assignment was "Write about something that inspires you." Fact: She wrote about how god inspires her in her life. Fact: She didn't evangelize. Fact: She talked about herself. That is NOT "bringing god into school".

And don't tell me what I believe and what I don't believe. You have no idea what I believe. I do know one thing though. I don't pick and choose the parts of the Bible I like and keep them and throw away the parts I don't like. That is not what Christianity is about.

As I stated in the beginning I would have no problem with anyone being inspired by their version of god because I am secure in what I believe. I'm sorry you are not. It does not bother me if someone else shares what they believe in. Even in school. She wasn't teaching a class. You can't even stick to the facts of the OP. You just veer off into all kinds of what ifs and nonsense. Then you start telling stories that don't even apply. And I will put money on the fact that if that girl had used any other religion in her speech it would have been fine with the school.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

chef wrote:
Um, yea ... no. The Bible does not teach to only worship God in certain places or at certain times. "Turning off" one's Christianity just because it's not PC is offensive to God.

Matthew 10:32-33 KJV: "32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. 33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven."

This. SO. MUCH. THIS. You are not a Christian when it's convenient.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

WYSIWYG wrote:
Well, let's try to stick with reality here and quit making up situations that may or may not ever happen. Your "what if" situation wasn't what happened so I don't see why you had to what if another reason for it. She wasn't asked to give her testimony and if she had she would have, rightly, gotten into trouble. The OP said she was supposed to write about inspiration and she did. What if till the day is long but you're not dealing with the actual FACTS of what happened. Not that facts actually matter to you.
- Nobody Just Nobody

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You like facts? Here's one for you: the saying "if you give them an inch, they will take a mile" exists for a reason.

Allowing religion into a public school, in any graded amount, is a bad idea because of the precedent of people doing just that. Being given an inch and taking a mile.

And here's another fact for you. Give them an inch and they'll take a mile. Allow the government to dictate every single part of our lives and when we can and can't have our Christianity and they will soon out law it all together. You have no problem being a part time Christian. Some of us are all the time Christians. And we don't want the government telling us we can't believe when we're in a certain place. And here's another fact for you. Allow all the Christians to be run off. Guess what will happen next? They'll need someone else to chase off. Might want to think about that. Right now you're not in the group people are trying to regulate. But one day you might find yourself in that position.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

What does god say?

Matthew 5
14“You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. 15Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.

Oh wait, it says DON'T hide your Christianity.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Psalm 40

9I proclaim your saving acts in the great assembly;

I do not seal my lips, Lord,

as you know.

10I do not hide your righteousness in my heart;

I speak of your faithfulness and your saving help.

I do not conceal your love and your faithfulness

from the great assembly.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

I have yet to find in the Bible where it says to be a Christian during certain hours. I see nowhere in the Bible where it says you are only a Christian on Sunday and Wednesday evening. God didn't prescribe TIMES to be his servant and times not to. Now that doesn't mean you assault people with god but then again if god has inspired you feel free to talk about it.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

WYSIWYG wrote:
It's never been more obvious that you know nothing about Christians, or the Bible, or what the difference is between loving the person and hating the sin.

You also confuse tolerance with acceptance.

So nice try. But you fail.

Try again when you figure it out.
- lilyofcourse

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The only thing I "fail" at is instead of the lack of that belief that you and several others here appear to have, I have the belief in the greatness and forgiveness of God. I'm okay with that being my "fail".

I prefer to believe in the Goodness of not only people, but also in God. If you don't wish to have that same belief, I can accept that, because not only do I accept that others don't believe as I do, I also accept that they should be allowed to and that it shouldn't be held against them.

And again, you prove my point.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

WYSIWYG wrote:
If WYSIWYG wants to keep saying he knows so much about the Bible than lily has every right to call him out when he's dead wrong.
- Tinydancer

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I agree. She does have that right. It should be reserved however for when she actually is right.

Many differences in the interpretations of the Bible exist, otherwise there would only be one denomination of Christianity. She believes her version to be the only "right" one, but, I would point out that that's a view expressed by every denomination, as well as those that don't follow any particular denomination but are of the "what's between God and me is between God and me" belief.

I have the same right to call her or you or anyone else out when they are wrong as well. Or does that rule not apply to people that disagree with you?

So tell me again where it says I should love the sin?

Tinydancer · Guru

WYSIWYG wrote:
You have got to be kidding. Your hypothetical child can extoll any mumbo jumbo he wants but my child is and will be well versed in the Bible so will know exactly what God means, not what you'd like him to mean. You keep using the word shun but again it doesn't mean what you wish it means. I have never taught my child to mistreat anyone nor do I think anyone is less worthy of God's Grace. Again, the Bible tells us how to gain God's Grace. Stop trying to make the Bible say things it clearly doesn't say because it just makes you look deceitful.
- Timydancer

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My point wasn't dredging up the argument itself. My point was I would not be happy with my hypothetical children being forced to listen to something that goes against the beliefs I want to instill in them about God and Christianity, just as I assume you wouldn't like your children forced to listen to something that goes against what you teach them about God and Christianity.

Was I wrong in that assumption? If I was, I sincerely apologize.

I guess you didn't read the bolded. Nothing your hypothetical child could write in this assignment would change my childs thinking.

Tinydancer · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
You're definitely not a Christian. This is a clear cut case of discrimination. When you first came on this board I just thought you were confused or misinformed. Now I realize you're just here to pick fights and put down people who truly are Christians.

This is true. He's obviously not a Christian but pretending to be just to raise ridiculous arguments. He gives himself away with every post and I don't mean just about being a Christian. It's what he's always done.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Freedom of speech & all that jazz...

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Freedom of speech & all that jazz...

flan

Right which is why I can call his own words into doubt that he's a Christian. He's either pulling one over on you or you'll believe anything that fits into your view.

huskerbb · Guru

WYSIWYG wrote:
what about them? if religion truly influenced those other kids then what is the big deal? - huskerbb

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There may not be a big deal. But, then again, there may be a big deal when the religion has beliefs that are in conflict with the beliefs of other children.

Based on recent interactions here, I'll create a hypothetical situation where it could be a big deal. And for simplicity, I'll even keep it to Christianity.

What if my hypothetical child goes to the same school and same class as Tinydancer's or Lawyerlady's hypothetical child. And that child is extolling the virtues of how he or she has been religiously taught to properly treat homosexuals, how to deny them and how to shun them and how to otherwise make them feel less than worthy of God's Grace. I don't want that message conflicting with my belief, and what I would instill in my hypothetical child, in God's Grace and love for all his children.

That situation, I would imagine, would work in reverse as well. I believe that Tinydancer and Lawyerlady wouldn't want my hypothetical child putting out there to their hypothetical children that homosexuals should be loved and respected and treated as equals under the law.

You are quite the hypocrite. You would seem to have no trouble with the reverse which is happening.

huskerbb · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Freedom of speech & all that jazz...

flan

Which you are obviously against if you take the side against this girl.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Freedom of speech & all that jazz...

flan
Which you are obviously against if you take the side against this girl.

I didn't, husker. I've said that at least twice in this thread.

But WYSIWYG can post his opinion.

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

So can anyone else. You seem to only want people you like to have an opinion but it really doesn't work that way.

huskerbb · Guru

flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Freedom of speech & all that jazz...

flan
Which you are obviously against if you take the side against this girl.
I didn't, husker. I've said that at least twice in this thread.
But WYSIWYG can post his opinion.
flan

why does he have freedom of speech but not this girl?

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Freedom of speech & all that jazz...

flan
Which you are obviously against if you take the side against this girl.
I didn't, husker. I've said that at least twice in this thread.
But WYSIWYG can post his opinion.
flan
why does he have freedom of speech but not this girl?

Because this is a message board & not a public school.

huskerbb · Guru

Lexxy wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Freedom of speech & all that jazz...

flan
Which you are obviously against if you take the side against this girl.
I didn't, husker. I've said that at least twice in this thread.
But WYSIWYG can post his opinion.
flan
why does he have freedom of speech but not this girl?
Because this is a message board & not a public school.

Irrelevant

huskerbb · Guru

WYSIWYG wrote:
If WYSIWYG wants to keep saying he knows so much about the Bible than lily has every right to call him out when he's dead wrong.
- Tinydancer

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I agree. She does have that right. It should be reserved however for when she actually is right.

Many differences in the interpretations of the Bible exist, otherwise there would only be one denomination of Christianity. She believes her version to be the only "right" one, but, I would point out that that's a view expressed by every denomination, as well as those that don't follow any particular denomination but are of the "what's between God and me is between God and me" belief.

I have the same right to call her or you or anyone else out when they are wrong as well. Or does that rule not apply to people that disagree with you?

Sure, but you are wrong.

Tinydancer · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
WYSIWYG wrote:
If WYSIWYG wants to keep saying he knows so much about the Bible than lily has every right to call him out when he's dead wrong.
- Tinydancer

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I agree. She does have that right. It should be reserved however for when she actually is right.

Many differences in the interpretations of the Bible exist, otherwise there would only be one denomination of Christianity. She believes her version to be the only "right" one, but, I would point out that that's a view expressed by every denomination, as well as those that don't follow any particular denomination but are of the "what's between God and me is between God and me" belief.

I have the same right to call her or you or anyone else out when they are wrong as well. Or does that rule not apply to people that disagree with you?
Sure, but you are wrong.

Straight and to the point.

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

huskerbb wrote:
Lexxy wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Freedom of speech & all that jazz...

flan
Which you are obviously against if you take the side against this girl.
I didn't, husker. I've said that at least twice in this thread.
But WYSIWYG can post his opinion.
flan
why does he have freedom of speech but not this girl?
Because this is a message board & not a public school.
Irrelevant

No. There are in fact rules in public schools about religion. You may not agree with them but they are there.

Tinydancer · Guru

Then the whole assignment wasn't worth giving if a student is not allowed to answer honestly but must answer as the teacher sees fit. Again it's rules about religion being taught in school but I guess now kids are not even allowed to talk about their faith because someone might get offended.

-- Edited by Tinydancer on Thursday 28th of May 2015 03:11:19 PM

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lexxy wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lexxy wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Freedom of speech & all that jazz...

flan
Which you are obviously against if you take the side against this girl.
I didn't, husker. I've said that at least twice in this thread.
But WYSIWYG can post his opinion.
flan
why does he have freedom of speech but not this girl?
Because this is a message board & not a public school.
Irrelevant
No. There are in fact rules in public schools about religion. You may not agree with them but they are there.

The LAW states that schools CANNOT restrict a student's religion. Period. Students win just about every single case.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

The rules restricting religion in schools is for the teachers and administration - NOT the students. The students religious rights are PROTECTED as a fundamental right.

huskerbb · Guru

Lexxy wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lexxy wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Freedom of speech & all that jazz...

flan
Which you are obviously against if you take the side against this girl.
I didn't, husker. I've said that at least twice in this thread.
But WYSIWYG can post his opinion.
flan
why does he have freedom of speech but not this girl?
Because this is a message board & not a public school.
Irrelevant
No. There are in fact rules in public schools about religion. You may not agree with them but they are there.

This isn't against those rules--as the school, and you, apparently, need to learn.

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

Tinydancer wrote:
Then the whole assignment wasn't worth giving if a student is not allowed to answer honestly but must answer as the teacher sees fit. Again it's rules about religion being taught in school but I guess now kids are not even allowed to talk about their faith because someone might get offended.

-- Edited by Tinydancer on Thursday 28th of May 2015 03:11:19 PM

This was my original thought/post. This assignment was destined for failure if students that felt as she did were now allowed to express themselves.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Please READ - this is a summary of religious rights in school.

Overview

Public schools are flooded with competing worldviews and philosophies, and biblical truth and moral values are challenged every day. Christian students in public schools have the opportunity and privilege to be a light in darkness and to encourage one another in their faith.

Issue Analysis

What Rights Are Protected?

In 2009, Center for Arizona Policy (CAP) worked with the Arizona Legislature to pass the Students’ Religious Liberties Act, clarifying the constitutional rights that students have in public schools. School officials may not discriminate against students or parents on the basis of a religious viewpoint or religious expression.

Students do not lose their constitutional rights simply by stepping onto the public school campus. Schools must treat religious speech by students the same as non-religious speech by students. Students’ rights are not unlimited, however, due to the educational purpose of the school and the need to maintain order and discipline.

In public schools students may:
•Share their faith. Public school students may pray, read their Bibles, discuss their faith, and engage in other religious activities during recess, lunch hour, or any other non-instructional time, as long as they are not disrupting school order.
•Express their religious beliefs in school assignments. Students may express their religious beliefs, discuss religious figures, and draw religious artwork in school assignments without being penalized or rewarded on the basis of their religious content or viewpoint. The student’s work will be judged by ordinary academic standards of substance and relevance to the course curriculum or requirements of the assignment or coursework.

For example, a student who is asked to write a paper about an important historical figure may choose to write about Jesus Christ, and the paper must be graded based on academic standards such as grammar, punctuation, and the quality of writing. On the other hand, if a student is asked to draw a picture of a building and instead draws a picture of an angel, the student’s work is not responsive to the assignment and may be penalized.
•Wear clothing, jewelry, or accessories that display religious messages or symbols. If the school permits students to wear clothing, jewelry, or accessories that express any kind of message, the school may not single out religious messages for unfavorable treatment. For example, if students are permitted to wear T-shirts with sports team logos, the school may not prohibit T-shirts with religious symbols or messages.
•Distribute religious literature and fliers on campus. Students are generally free to distribute tracts or fliers during the school day, subject to reasonable restrictions (on time, place, and manner) that apply equally to religious and non-religious materials. Schools may prohibit literature distribution during class instruction.
•Start or participate in a student Bible club on campus. In 1984, Congress passed and President Reagan signed the federal Equal Access Act. This law expanded equal access to extracurricular clubs in all public high schools.[1] In 2001, Arizona passed the CAP-supported Middle Schools Equal Access Act, which expanded equal access protections in Arizona to also include middle schools.[2] Because of these laws, if a school allows any non-curriculum clubs to meet on campus, middle school and high school students have the right to hold Bible club meetings as well. Bible club meetings must be voluntary, student-initiated, and student-led. The school, its agents, and employees may not sponsor, promote, lead, or participate in the meetings, although a school official may supervise in a non-participatory capacity. Bible clubs may require club officers to be Christian. Find out more at www.azpolicy.org.
•Participate in “See You at the Pole” and other student-led prayer rallies and activities. Each year, students across the country gather at their school’s flagpole to participate in student-led “See You at the Pole” prayer rallies before classes begin. For more information, go to the official “See You at the Pole” website, www.syatp.com.
•Participate in “released time” if district policy allows. Released time was started by local ministers and associations to sponsor extra-curricular religious education for students. The “released time” concept is open to all faiths, and classes can take place in nearby homes, local churches, and even outdoor parks. Released time is a privilege, not a right, and it is up to the local district to establish a policy for released time. To find out if your district allows for released time, contact your school administration directly.
•Be involved with religious organizations using school facilities after school hours. With parental permission, students may attend events and activities put on by outside religious organizations after school hours. One example is Child Evangelism Fellowship’s Good News Club, which meets after school for a Bible lesson, songs, Scripture memory, and review games. Once a public school allows use of its facilities by any community groups, it must allow religious groups access on the same terms.

It is also important to know that parents of children in public schools have the right to opt their child out of any curriculum that requires the student to violate the family’s religious beliefs.[3]

Deborah’s Story

If you believe it’s possible that you or your child’s religious liberty rights have been violated by a public school, stories like Deborah Chambers’ show the critical importance of speaking up. Deborah was a student at a local elementary school. In 2007, she wanted to have a picture of Jesus on her binder at school. The teacher informed her that the picture had to be put away because it was “offensive.”

In response to this clear violation of Deborah’s religious liberty rights, the legislature went on to pass and the governor signed the CAP-supported Students Religious Liberties Act, which acknowledges and protects the constitutional rights of students in public schools and charter schools to express their religious beliefs to other students, in homework and classroom assignments, and through clothing and accessories that express religious messages.

Talking Points
•The First Amendment protects the rights of students to engage in religious expression. The CAP-supported Student Bill of Rights clarifies the U.S. Supreme Court’s application of the First Amendment in the public school context so that school officials, parents, and students can easily understand what their rights are.
•Students should not be discriminated against for voluntary expression of faith-based viewpoints. The Constitution prohibits government officials from discriminating against religious expression on otherwise permissible subjects.
•Schools must treat religious and non-religious speech equally. For example, if a school allows for a student to have a Phoenix Suns sticker on their folder, they must allow students to have Bible verses as well.

Conclusion

Widespread confusion about what the Constitution means for the individual faith of public school students has led to these rights being suppressed. Constitutional and statutory protections empower students to discuss their faith without having their religious message censored by school officials. Students not only have the right, but the responsibility, to freely express their faith in the classroom and on campus.

If you encounter a problem, we may be able to help! Some of the protections we currently enjoy, Arizona’s Students’ Religious Liberties Act and Middle School Equal Access Act, exist because students like Deborah did not stay silent but rather contacted us and we were able to help. If you encounter a problem exercising your religious beliefs at a public school, please call us or email legal@azpolicy.org.

huskerbb · Guru

The government cannot establish religion--that does not take away a students free speech rights.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Basically - the school was stupid and wrong and does not understand the law or what freedom of religion means. Of course, that is becoming very, very common these days.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

I disagree Lexxy. This wasn't an assignment about "Bring your religion to school." She simply said god inspired her to do good things. She wasn't talking about god or religion. She was talking about how her life is good. It's like saying, "Since I met my DH I am a much happier person. I always want to help people out because I want to be a better person. He has taught me to put grocery carts back in the corral and not to take the last everything bagel. We're still working on the ranch dressing thing but overall I feel like I am a nicer and better person for meeting him." Tell me in there where it says anything about my DH other than we are together. It doesn't describe him or his personal qualities. It doesn't talk about his beliefs or who he is. Leaving that speech you know nothing more about my DH than when I first began. It doesn't talk about HIM. It doesn't. It's about ME. That's what this assignment was.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
I disagree Lexxy. This wasn't an assignment about "Bring your religion to school." She simply said god inspired her to do good things. She wasn't talking about god or religion. She was talking about how her life is good. It's like saying, "Since I met my DH I am a much happier person. I always want to help people out because I want to be a better person. He has taught me to put grocery carts back in the corral and not to take the last everything bagel. We're still working on the ranch dressing thing but overall I feel like I am a nicer and better person for meeting him." Tell me in there where it says anything about my DH other than we are together. It doesn't describe him or his personal qualities. It doesn't talk about his beliefs or who he is. Leaving that speech you know nothing more about my DH than when I first began. It doesn't talk about HIM. It doesn't. It's about ME. That's what this assignment was.

It doesn't even matter what it was about. She has the right to include her religion in her school assignments. PERIOD.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

You are right LL.

Tinydancer · Guru

Totally agree!

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

But then again, I'm not one of the ones so insecure that my faith will be destroyed if someone says Allah inspired them to feed the poor.

Tinydancer · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
But then again, I'm not one of the ones so insecure that my faith will be destroyed if someone says Allah inspired them to feed the poor.

But your hypothetical children might according to WYSIWYG...

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

I stand corrected.

For the record I don't understand why someone's inspiration can be offensive to others. If some kid wrote that Hitler or Jack the Ripper was his inspiration I'd just think whatever dude you are nuts. Offense takes too much energy ignoring is much easier. And laughing behind his back at lunch.

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
I disagree Lexxy. This wasn't an assignment about "Bring your religion to school." She simply said god inspired her to do good things. She wasn't talking about god or religion. She was talking about how her life is good. It's like saying, "Since I met my DH I am a much happier person. I always want to help people out because I want to be a better person. He has taught me to put grocery carts back in the corral and not to take the last everything bagel. We're still working on the ranch dressing thing but overall I feel like I am a nicer and better person for meeting him." Tell me in there where it says anything about my DH other than we are together. It doesn't describe him or his personal qualities. It doesn't talk about his beliefs or who he is. Leaving that speech you know nothing more about my DH than when I first began. It doesn't talk about HIM. It doesn't. It's about ME. That's what this assignment was.

I don't have a problem with her saying God is her inspiration. I just meant the assignment is a failure if she isn't allowed to say it. No sorry little girl, pick another inspiration that is school approved.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Tinydancer wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
But then again, I'm not one of the ones so insecure that my faith will be destroyed if someone says Allah inspired them to feed the poor.

But your hypothetical children might according to WYSIWYG...

I have real children! And they mostly believe what I believe. There are a few things they don't agree on but on core principals we all agree.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Lexxy wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
I disagree Lexxy. This wasn't an assignment about "Bring your religion to school." She simply said god inspired her to do good things. She wasn't talking about god or religion. She was talking about how her life is good. It's like saying, "Since I met my DH I am a much happier person. I always want to help people out because I want to be a better person. He has taught me to put grocery carts back in the corral and not to take the last everything bagel. We're still working on the ranch dressing thing but overall I feel like I am a nicer and better person for meeting him." Tell me in there where it says anything about my DH other than we are together. It doesn't describe him or his personal qualities. It doesn't talk about his beliefs or who he is. Leaving that speech you know nothing more about my DH than when I first began. It doesn't talk about HIM. It doesn't. It's about ME. That's what this assignment was.
I don't have a problem with her saying God is her inspiration. I just meant the assignment is a failure if she isn't allowed to say it. No sorry little girl, pick another inspiration that is school approved.

Yes, and this is what I don't get. WYSIWYG wants all mention of god out of the school. Even though he claims to be a Christian. He wants the god he believes in to not be allowed. This was an assignment on inspiration. Inspiration tends to be a positive thing. I don't understand why this is such a bad thing.

Tinydancer · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
But then again, I'm not one of the ones so insecure that my faith will be destroyed if someone says Allah inspired them to feed the poor.

But your hypothetical children might according to WYSIWYG...

I have real children! And they mostly believe what I believe. There are a few things they don't agree on but on core principals we all agree.

I know but WYSIWYG kept talking about hypothetical children so I thought they were different...lol