My cousin is raising her grandkid cause when her 14 yr old came to her and asked her to get her the pill, cousin forbid daughter to have sex and didn't get the pill cause that would be giving permission and she decided the only way she could see the opposite sex was with one set of parents in the house or with them.
This was a very active girl. Ball, dance, piano. No way she could find time to have sex.
Grandbaby starts 3rd grade this year.
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"What are you going to do" is the same attitude as "oh, well" - complete with shoulderquestion. Maybe that is ug. Parentsunferstio the luxury of that attitude.
I was asking that as a serious question aka how would you handle this. Not as a shrug or rhetorical question. Maybe that is why u didnt understand my points. Sheesh.
My cousin is raising her grandkid cause when her 14 yr old came to her and asked her to get her the pill, cousin forbid daughter to have sex and didn't get the pill cause that would be giving permission and she decided the only way she could see the opposite sex was with one set of parents in the house or with them.
This was a very active girl. Ball, dance, piano. No way she could find time to have sex.
Grandbaby starts 3rd grade this year.
I'd bet Sarah Palin was surprised too.
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My cousin is raising her grandkid cause when her 14 yr old came to her and asked her to get her the pill, cousin forbid daughter to have sex and didn't get the pill cause that would be giving permission and she decided the only way she could see the opposite sex was with one set of parents in the house or with them.
This was a very active girl. Ball, dance, piano. No way she could find time to have sex.
Grandbaby starts 3rd grade this year.
My child will likely be on the pill as soon as she starts her period if she takes after me. There are medical purposes for the pill - and it will be needed.
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I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
DD is on the pill in order to regulate her periods for sports. She takes the packs one after the other without taking the sugar pills at the end of the packs and skips her period each month. She loves it.
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DD went on the pill because she has such heavy periods she had severe anemia. Without the pill she was getting iron transfusions and was told she was on the verge of needing blood transfusions.
Yes. I know about the medical reasons. Caitlyn also took them for the extreme cramps.
I took them cause I couldn't leave the house while on my period it was so heavy.
But only a completely stupid person would not know that a pill for regulation is also for birth control.
And why lie about it? That's where that trust comes in. If they can't trust you to tell them the truth about that kind of thing, why would they trust you for anything else?
A girl needs all the honest information she can get. And I'd rather my daughter get it from me.
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Damn, I just read all five pages. I didn't have sex till I was 21. Never took a sip of alcohol either. Nor did a single illegal substance. Why? Fear. I knew my mother would kill me. I was a square then and I'm still a square.
I just don't get the attitude of "you just have to accept it and respect what they want".
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I don't know. I don't think my kids ever think I would "kill them". I never had the sense that my parents would "kill me" or physically punish me or any of that. However, disappointing them would have upset me greatly so if anything that was more a motivating factor for me. I don't parent my kids out of fear. I am not there to "kill them' if they make a mistake in life. And, maybe there were kids who used to get beaten with a belt or something but that didn't happen to me when I was a kid, nor my kids.
Yes. I know about the medical reasons. Caitlyn also took them for the extreme cramps.
I took them cause I couldn't leave the house while on my period it was so heavy.
But only a completely stupid person would not know that a pill for regulation is also for birth control.
And why lie about it? That's where that trust comes in. If they can't trust you to tell them the truth about that kind of thing, why would they trust you for anything else?
A girl needs all the honest information she can get. And I'd rather my daughter get it from me.
Or a 13 year old that is not world wise and when her mother tells her they are for her cramps and to regulate her, she would not assume that. And why not know? So, she doesn't tell others and have her classmates know an 8th grader is "on the pill".
And if the purpose of the medication is not birth control but to control PMS - then it is not lying. Medications have different uses. Did you know that there is actually a PMS medication out there marketed solely for that but is actually PROZAC?
-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Monday 1st of June 2015 09:41:43 AM
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I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
Damn, I just read all five pages. I didn't have sex till I was 21. Never took a sip of alcohol either. Nor did a single illegal substance. Why? Fear. I knew my mother would kill me. I was a square then and I'm still a square.
I just don't get the attitude of "you just have to accept it and respect what they want".
If she doesn't want the 8th grade to know she is on the pill, she shouldn't tell them! Easy peasy.
And if she tells them she is on a medication that she takes daily to help control her cramps and regulate her period...a world wise 8th grade classmate (possibly with an older sibling) will KNOW she is on the pill and will spill the beans. Better to tell her the truth rather than have her hear it from a classmate.
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Out of all the lies I have told, "just kidding" is my favorite !
You can keep that little pie in the sky attitude if you like LL.
I didn't and wouldn't lie to my kids. I want my kids to have as much information as possible so they can make informed decisions.
They maybe my kids, but it is their life they have to live with.
A lot of 8th graders are on the pill. It isn't a mark against them. It just is.
And it isn't about shrugging your shoulders and accepting things. It's about being a responsible parent and helping your kid through those times they need you most.
So you tell your kid they can trust you with anything, and then you turn around and lie to their face. Tell me, how much trust would have in someone who did that to you? Would you tell them anything after that? I wouldnt.
Kids are smart. Kids learn things from other friends, tv, you name it. Would you rather they get their information from you with guidance to go with it, or from a friend in the hall or a sleepover or even from a teacher who doesn't share your morals?
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You can keep that little pie in the sky attitude if you like LL.
I didn't and wouldn't lie to my kids. I want my kids to have as much information as possible so they can make informed decisions.
They maybe my kids, but it is their life they have to live with.
A lot of 8th graders are on the pill. It isn't a mark against them. It just is.
And it isn't about shrugging your shoulders and accepting things. It's about being a responsible parent and helping your kid through those times they need you most.
So you tell your kid they can trust you with anything, and then you turn around and lie to their face. Tell me, how much trust would have in someone who did that to you? Would you tell them anything after that? I wouldnt.
Kids are smart. Kids learn things from other friends, tv, you name it. Would you rather they get their information from you with guidance to go with it, or from a friend in the hall or a sleepover or even from a teacher who doesn't share your morals?
I speak very openly with my children, but depending on their age, they do not need to know everything. For example - she doesn't know that when the pediatrician checks her privates, she is checking for signs of sexual abuse. That is not something she needs to know, YET. All things in their proper time.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
Doesn't she ask questions? My kids certainly did. When they asked why the doc looked there, I told them some people like to hurt little girls there and the doc was making sure no one was hurting her.
Seriously, I would wonder about a kid who just blindly listened to/believed everything her parents told her without a single question. It seems she is being set up to be the most naive kid in the school - and that's a dangerous place to be. Very dangerous.
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Out of all the lies I have told, "just kidding" is my favorite !
You can keep that little pie in the sky attitude if you like LL.
I didn't and wouldn't lie to my kids. I want my kids to have as much information as possible so they can make informed decisions.
They maybe my kids, but it is their life they have to live with.
A lot of 8th graders are on the pill. It isn't a mark against them. It just is.
And it isn't about shrugging your shoulders and accepting things. It's about being a responsible parent and helping your kid through those times they need you most.
So you tell your kid they can trust you with anything, and then you turn around and lie to their face. Tell me, how much trust would have in someone who did that to you? Would you tell them anything after that? I wouldnt.
Kids are smart. Kids learn things from other friends, tv, you name it. Would you rather they get their information from you with guidance to go with it, or from a friend in the hall or a sleepover or even from a teacher who doesn't share your morals?
I speak very openly with my children, but depending on their age, they do not need to know everything. For example - she doesn't know that when the pediatrician checks her privates, she is checking for signs of sexual abuse. That is not something she needs to know, YET. All things in their proper time.
I agree. Not all kids mature at the same rate as others and are ready for the full details.
You can keep that little pie in the sky attitude if you like LL.
I didn't and wouldn't lie to my kids. I want my kids to have as much information as possible so they can make informed decisions.
They maybe my kids, but it is their life they have to live with.
A lot of 8th graders are on the pill. It isn't a mark against them. It just is.
And it isn't about shrugging your shoulders and accepting things. It's about being a responsible parent and helping your kid through those times they need you most.
So you tell your kid they can trust you with anything, and then you turn around and lie to their face. Tell me, how much trust would have in someone who did that to you? Would you tell them anything after that? I wouldnt.
Kids are smart. Kids learn things from other friends, tv, you name it. Would you rather they get their information from you with guidance to go with it, or from a friend in the hall or a sleepover or even from a teacher who doesn't share your morals?
I speak very openly with my children, but depending on their age, they do not need to know everything. For example - she doesn't know that when the pediatrician checks her privates, she is checking for signs of sexual abuse. That is not something she needs to know, YET. All things in their proper time.
I agree. All things in due time.
And a 15 yr old taking bc should know that's what it is.
Again, would you rather they learn from you or from another kid?
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How often is she checked? Out of pure curiosity. Caitlyn was only ever checked once. In the ER when she was really sick and complaining about abdominal pain.
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You can keep that little pie in the sky attitude if you like LL.
I didn't and wouldn't lie to my kids. I want my kids to have as much information as possible so they can make informed decisions.
They maybe my kids, but it is their life they have to live with.
A lot of 8th graders are on the pill. It isn't a mark against them. It just is.
And it isn't about shrugging your shoulders and accepting things. It's about being a responsible parent and helping your kid through those times they need you most.
So you tell your kid they can trust you with anything, and then you turn around and lie to their face. Tell me, how much trust would have in someone who did that to you? Would you tell them anything after that? I wouldnt.
Kids are smart. Kids learn things from other friends, tv, you name it. Would you rather they get their information from you with guidance to go with it, or from a friend in the hall or a sleepover or even from a teacher who doesn't share your morals?
I speak very openly with my children, but depending on their age, they do not need to know everything. For example - she doesn't know that when the pediatrician checks her privates, she is checking for signs of sexual abuse. That is not something she needs to know, YET. All things in their proper time.
I agree. All things in due time.
And a 15 yr old taking bc should know that's what it is.
Again, would you rather they learn from you or from another kid?
15 - yes. 12 or 13 - no.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
How often is she checked? Out of pure curiosity. Caitlyn was only ever checked once. In the ER when she was really sick and complaining about abdominal pain.
Every well-visit. She was also checked when she went into the hospital with pylo-nephritis.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
If they are taking it, they need to know what it is.
Again, you want them to find out from you or the kid at school?
Cause there will be someone who knows what it is.
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Doesn't she ask questions? My kids certainly did. When they asked why the doc looked there, I told them some people like to hurt little girls there and the doc was making sure no one was hurting her.
Seriously, I would wonder about a kid who just blindly listened to/believed everything her parents told her without a single question. It seems she is being set up to be the most naive kid in the school - and that's a dangerous place to be. Very dangerous.
The doctor checks her all over. Plus, she suffered from a lot of bladder infections when she was smaller - we still don't know why. She just takes it as the doctor checking all her bits to make sure she is cleaning well enough - and her pediatrician is a woman, so that probably makes it feel more normal.
DD11 is not naive because we talk about all the bad things that can happen to kids - but she does trust everything I tell her because I'm her MOTHER. Which is as it should be.
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I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
How often is she checked? Out of pure curiosity. Caitlyn was only ever checked once. In the ER when she was really sick and complaining about abdominal pain.
Every well-visit. She was also checked when she went into the hospital with pylo-nephritis.
Really? Doesn't that seem like a lot?
I find that strange.
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If they are taking it, they need to know what it is.
Again, you want them to find out from you or the kid at school?
Cause there will be someone who knows what it is.
Why would she be taking it at school?
Kids talk.
A kid talks about her cramps, heavy period and your daughter says something about her medicine she takes for it and the kid goes "my parents won't let me get bc". Then what? Your daughter argues that isn't what it is and then what?
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How often is she checked? Out of pure curiosity. Caitlyn was only ever checked once. In the ER when she was really sick and complaining about abdominal pain.
Every well-visit. She was also checked when she went into the hospital with pylo-nephritis.
Really? Doesn't that seem like a lot?
I find that strange.
And I am not trying to be snarky with this. I promiss. It surprises me.
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If they are taking it, they need to know what it is.
Again, you want them to find out from you or the kid at school?
Cause there will be someone who knows what it is.
Why would she be taking it at school?
Kids talk.
A kid talks about her cramps, heavy period and your daughter says something about her medicine she takes for it and the kid goes "my parents won't let me get bc". Then what? Your daughter argues that isn't what it is and then what?
There are a LOT of different medications for cramps. Trust me, I tried them all. And they were not BC.
But you do make an excellent point. I will impress upon her that medication of any kind is a private matter and shouldn't be talked about even with friends.
-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Monday 1st of June 2015 01:26:46 PM
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
How often is she checked? Out of pure curiosity. Caitlyn was only ever checked once. In the ER when she was really sick and complaining about abdominal pain.
Every well-visit. She was also checked when she went into the hospital with pylo-nephritis.
Really? Doesn't that seem like a lot?
I find that strange.
Why? It's a physical exam. I would find it more strange if a doctor didn't check her out all over.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
How often is she checked? Out of pure curiosity. Caitlyn was only ever checked once. In the ER when she was really sick and complaining about abdominal pain.
Every well-visit. She was also checked when she went into the hospital with pylo-nephritis.
Really? Doesn't that seem like a lot?
I find that strange.
Why? It's a physical exam. I would find it more strange if a doctor didn't check her out all over.
I find it strange that it is every well check.
It seems like over kill to me. Unless there is other reason to suspect abuse, then why every well check?
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How often is she checked? Out of pure curiosity. Caitlyn was only ever checked once. In the ER when she was really sick and complaining about abdominal pain.
Every well-visit. She was also checked when she went into the hospital with pylo-nephritis.
Really? Doesn't that seem like a lot?
I find that strange.
Why? It's a physical exam. I would find it more strange if a doctor didn't check her out all over.
I find it strange that it is every well check.
It seems like over kill to me. Unless there is other reason to suspect abuse, then why every well check?
A well check is once a year. A lot can happen in a year.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
If they are taking it, they need to know what it is.
Again, you want them to find out from you or the kid at school?
Cause there will be someone who knows what it is.
Why would she be taking it at school?
Kids talk.
A kid talks about her cramps, heavy period and your daughter says something about her medicine she takes for it and the kid goes "my parents won't let me get bc". Then what? Your daughter argues that isn't what it is and then what?
There are a LOT of different medications for cramps. Trust me, I tried them all. And they were not BC.
But you do make an excellent point. I will impress upon her that medication of any kind is a private matter and shouldn't be talked about even with friends.
-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Monday 1st of June 2015 01:26:46 PM
I still don't understand why you wouldn't be honest with her. Unless she lives under a rock, she knows more right now than you think.
I know when Caitlyn was 10, I thought the same way you are thinking right now.
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How often is she checked? Out of pure curiosity. Caitlyn was only ever checked once. In the ER when she was really sick and complaining about abdominal pain.
Every well-visit. She was also checked when she went into the hospital with pylo-nephritis.
Really? Doesn't that seem like a lot?
I find that strange.
Why? It's a physical exam. I would find it more strange if a doctor didn't check her out all over.
I find it strange that it is every well check.
It seems like over kill to me. Unless there is other reason to suspect abuse, then why every well check?
A well check is once a year. A lot can happen in a year.
I know. But it's still a lot.
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If they are taking it, they need to know what it is.
Again, you want them to find out from you or the kid at school?
Cause there will be someone who knows what it is.
Why would she be taking it at school?
Kids talk.
A kid talks about her cramps, heavy period and your daughter says something about her medicine she takes for it and the kid goes "my parents won't let me get bc". Then what? Your daughter argues that isn't what it is and then what?
There are a LOT of different medications for cramps. Trust me, I tried them all. And they were not BC.
But you do make an excellent point. I will impress upon her that medication of any kind is a private matter and shouldn't be talked about even with friends.
-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Monday 1st of June 2015 01:26:46 PM
I still don't understand why you wouldn't be honest with her. Unless she lives under a rock, she knows more right now than you think.
I know when Caitlyn was 10, I thought the same way you are thinking right now.
Because, Lily, I do want her to come to me if she thinks she needs birth control. And that wouldn't be necessary if she already knew she was on it, now would it?
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
How often is she checked? Out of pure curiosity. Caitlyn was only ever checked once. In the ER when she was really sick and complaining about abdominal pain.
Every well-visit. She was also checked when she went into the hospital with pylo-nephritis.
Really? Doesn't that seem like a lot?
I find that strange.
Why? It's a physical exam. I would find it more strange if a doctor didn't check her out all over.
I find it strange that it is every well check.
It seems like over kill to me. Unless there is other reason to suspect abuse, then why every well check?
A well check is once a year. A lot can happen in a year.
I know. But it's still a lot.
I'd sure as hell rather it be annually than hardly at all.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
If they are taking it, they need to know what it is.
Again, you want them to find out from you or the kid at school?
Cause there will be someone who knows what it is.
Why would she be taking it at school?
Kids talk.
A kid talks about her cramps, heavy period and your daughter says something about her medicine she takes for it and the kid goes "my parents won't let me get bc". Then what? Your daughter argues that isn't what it is and then what?
There are a LOT of different medications for cramps. Trust me, I tried them all. And they were not BC.
But you do make an excellent point. I will impress upon her that medication of any kind is a private matter and shouldn't be talked about even with friends.
-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Monday 1st of June 2015 01:26:46 PM
I still don't understand why you wouldn't be honest with her. Unless she lives under a rock, she knows more right now than you think.
I know when Caitlyn was 10, I thought the same way you are thinking right now.
Because, Lily, I do want her to come to me if she thinks she needs birth control. And that wouldn't be necessary if she already knew she was on it, now would it?
"Mom, I think I want bc"
"You're on it, have been for a year"
"Why did you lie to me?"
Why would you lie? Is it something to be ashamed of? Like you said, lots of reasons to take bc.
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I guess the question for you is - Why wouldn't you want your little girl checked regularly for possible signs of abuse?
Let's think about this. No other symptoms or signs of abuse. Why do the check each time?
On the other hand lie to your kid about a daily medication for periods that happens to be bc.
I would be really upset once I found out how little my mom trusted me.
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If they are taking it, they need to know what it is.
Again, you want them to find out from you or the kid at school?
Cause there will be someone who knows what it is.
Why would she be taking it at school?
Kids talk.
A kid talks about her cramps, heavy period and your daughter says something about her medicine she takes for it and the kid goes "my parents won't let me get bc". Then what? Your daughter argues that isn't what it is and then what?
There are a LOT of different medications for cramps. Trust me, I tried them all. And they were not BC.
But you do make an excellent point. I will impress upon her that medication of any kind is a private matter and shouldn't be talked about even with friends.
-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Monday 1st of June 2015 01:26:46 PM
I still don't understand why you wouldn't be honest with her. Unless she lives under a rock, she knows more right now than you think.
I know when Caitlyn was 10, I thought the same way you are thinking right now.
Because, Lily, I do want her to come to me if she thinks she needs birth control. And that wouldn't be necessary if she already knew she was on it, now would it?
"Mom, I think I want bc"
"You're on it, have been for a year"
"Why did you lie to me?"
Why would you lie? Is it something to be ashamed of? Like you said, lots of reasons to take bc.
"Honey, the pills you take to regulate your PMS also work as birth control. Just keep taking those."
I would not have lied. I would have told her why she was taking the pills. If she didn't need them for birth control - she was not taking them for birth control.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
As for coming to you, I told Caitlyn when she started her period, if it got bad and she wanted, I'd take her to get the pill. I told her how it would help.
I made sure she knew it was about her health and her body.
We question why girls do things and certain choices but then we fail to equip our daughters with the tools to make informed choices.
I want my daughter to know she has control of her body and health.
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I guess the question for you is - Why wouldn't you want your little girl checked regularly for possible signs of abuse?
Let's think about this. No other symptoms or signs of abuse. Why do the check each time?
On the other hand lie to your kid about a daily medication for periods that happens to be bc.
I would be really upset once I found out how little my mom trusted me.
One has nothing to do with the other. And I would rather over check for abuse than under check.
And you did not answer the question - why wouldn't you have your little girl checked regularly for abuse? People miss "signs of abuse" all the time.
I did answer your question.
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Sorry LL, but you are taking all of this way, way overboard. Helicopter parenting at it's finest.
Well, since I'm not allowed to have an opinion on teenagers since I don't have any, yet, I guess you don't get to have one on parenting since you don't have any kids, yet.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
As for coming to you, I told Caitlyn when she started her period, if it got bad and she wanted, I'd take her to get the pill. I told her how it would help.
I made sure she knew it was about her health and her body.
We question why girls do things and certain choices but then we fail to equip our daughters with the tools to make informed choices.
I want my daughter to know she has control of her body and health.
Well, goody for you. How about you parent yours, and I'll parent mine? Since we obviously have very different opinions on what children need to know and when.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.