TOTALLY GEEKED!

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

RE: Valedictorian comes out as gay during graduation speech

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

I fail to see why this is news worthy. So she's valedictorian. So she's gay.

FNW · Guru

Of course!

Tinydancer · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Who knows how many other gay classmates were listening to her, and had NOT told anyone because they were afraid?

flan

What is there to be afraid of? It seems to be the in thing these days and everyone must have sympathy for them so why the fear?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lexxy wrote:
I fail to see why this is news worthy. So she's valedictorian. So she's gay.

How many stories have we seen about teens being bullied because they are not heterosexual?

That's why, imo, it's newsworthy.

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

Teens being bullied but I don't remember them being gay, just different.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

FNW wrote:
This is another example of "just because you can, doesn't mean you should."

ITA!

ed11563 · Guru

FNW wrote:
What is a VSS?

VSS = Very Special Snowflake.

I think a valedictorian IS special,

and clearly is not a flake.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Lexxy wrote:
I fail to see why this is news worthy. So she's valedictorian. So she's gay.

ITA!

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Wrong place and time.

Maybe it is time to stop having students do speeches.

Not to mention it would shorten the time you had to sit in those uncomfortable seats.

Ohfour · Hooker

I guarantee, more hetero kids are bullied than homo kids.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

So if a straight girl got up there and said she lost her virginity this year and slept with ten boys and how proud she was that we live in a country where she could talk about this then we would all applaud her? I mean, this IS HER platform after all. Her chance to shine and lay it all on the table.

Again, not the right venue or time.

burns07 · Guru

Who knows how many other gay classmates were listening to her, and had NOT told anyone because they were afraid?

flan
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who cares ?

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

And if a student wanted to get up and talk about how they loved gun rights and how they were gifted a handgun, a rifle, and a pistol and they had shot two deer and several other wild life, we should praise them? For having the courage to talk about what they believe in and what makes them who they are?

I call bullchit on this. Wrong time, wrong place.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

burns07 wrote:

Who knows how many other gay classmates were listening to her, and had NOT told anyone because they were afraid?

flan
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who cares ?

LOL That's what I was thinking!

FNW · Guru

I wonder how many straight girls who happened to share the locker room with her were creeped out and felt violated.

Tinydancer · Guru

FNW wrote:
I wonder how many straight girls who happened to share the locker room with her were creeped out and felt violated.

Excellent question! Aww wait...it wouldn't matter because they're straight.

-- Edited by Tinydancer on Wednesday 3rd of June 2015 01:24:33 PM

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

burns07 wrote:

Who knows how many other gay classmates were listening to her, and had NOT told anyone because they were afraid?

flan
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who cares ?

Anyone with a heart...

flan

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Tinydancer wrote:
FNW wrote:
I wonder how many straight girls who happened to share the locker room with her were creeped out and felt violated.
Excellent question! Aww wait...it wouldn't matter because they're straight.

-- Edited by Tinydancer on Wednesday 3rd of June 2015 01:24:33 PM

Yeah, pretty much. But what does it matter? It's all about HER HER HER!

Sin City Girl · Member

I don't understand the brave thing. If someone's sexuality isn't supposed to matter in how they are treated then why feel the need to tell everyone? So not the right time to bring it up.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Sin City Girl wrote:
I don't understand the brave thing. If someone's sexuality isn't supposed to matter in how they are treated then why feel the need to tell everyone? So not the right time to bring it up.

Obviously, in America, sexuality DOES matter. How many threads have we had here on homosexual marriage, for example?

flan

FNW · Guru

I really don't understand this burning need to come out publicly. I've known a lot of gay people, both men and women, and having them "officially" announce their orientation was never a surprise. Most people already know, they aren't fooling anyone.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

flan327 wrote:
burns07 wrote:

Who knows how many other gay classmates were listening to her, and had NOT told anyone because they were afraid?

flan
________________________________________________________________________________________________

who cares ?
Anyone with a heart...
flan

No.

Not really.

Her sexual preferences are no one else's business.

I don't know why that is hard to understand.

I think once she brought it up, she should have been turned off.

Of course that wasn't going to happen cause it would be called "homophobic".

But had that been someone saying God was their strength, it would have been shut down without a word.

Tinydancer · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Sin City Girl wrote:
I don't understand the brave thing. If someone's sexuality isn't supposed to matter in how they are treated then why feel the need to tell everyone? So not the right time to bring it up.
Obviously, in America, sexuality DOES matter. How many threads have we had here on homosexual marriage, for example?
flan

Only non-traditional sex matters in America. If you're straight no one wants to hear about your sexual preferences so why the need for homosexuals to tell the world.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

flan327 wrote:
Sin City Girl wrote:
I don't understand the brave thing. If someone's sexuality isn't supposed to matter in how they are treated then why feel the need to tell everyone? So not the right time to bring it up.
Obviously, in America, sexuality DOES matter. How many threads have we had here on homosexual marriage, for example?
flan

When someone comes up to you at work, do you automatically wonder about their sexuality? Do you think they wonder about yours?

I know when I am talking to someone, it doesn't even cross my mind.

So why do we have to make announcannounannouncements? If it is truly just who they are, why would it need announced any more than eye color or preferences in candy?

Lindley · Guru

FNW wrote:
I really don't understand this burning need to come out publicly. I've known a lot of gay people, both men and women, and having them "officially" announce their orientation was never a surprise. Most people already know, they aren't fooling anyone.

It has become a hip thing to do. Honestly, I do not look at her as being all that brave. Especially now that it is more accepted then it use to be. I'm sure all her friends and classmates already knew she is gay so she already knew how the audience will react.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
flan327 wrote:
burns07 wrote:

Who knows how many other gay classmates were listening to her, and had NOT told anyone because they were afraid?

flan
________________________________________________________________________________________________

who cares ?
Anyone with a heart...
flan
No.
Not really.
Her sexual preferences are no one else's business.
I don't know why that is hard to understand.
I think once she brought it up, she should have been turned off.
Of course that wasn't going to happen cause it would be called "homophobic".
But had that been someone saying God was their strength, it would have been shut down without a word.

I've already said that I would have no problem with that sentiment.

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
flan327 wrote:
burns07 wrote:

Who knows how many other gay classmates were listening to her, and had NOT told anyone because they were afraid?

flan
________________________________________________________________________________________________

who cares ?
Anyone with a heart...
flan
No.
Not really.
Her sexual preferences are no one else's business.
I don't know why that is hard to understand.
I think once she brought it up, she should have been turned off.
Of course that wasn't going to happen cause it would be called "homophobic".
But had that been someone saying God was their strength, it would have been shut down without a word.

I've already said that I would have no problem with that sentiment.
flan

Yeah, right.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
flan327 wrote:
burns07 wrote:

Who knows how many other gay classmates were listening to her, and had NOT told anyone because they were afraid?

flan
________________________________________________________________________________________________

who cares ?
Anyone with a heart...
flan
No.
Not really.
Her sexual preferences are no one else's business.
I don't know why that is hard to understand.
I think once she brought it up, she should have been turned off.
Of course that wasn't going to happen cause it would be called "homophobic".
But had that been someone saying God was their strength, it would have been shut down without a word.

I've already said that I would have no problem with that sentiment.
flan
Yeah, right.

Frankly:

I DON'T CARE whether you believe me or not, but I am NOT LYING.

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

It's funny when you keep saying the complete opposite in other threads.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
flan327 wrote:
burns07 wrote:

Who knows how many other gay classmates were listening to her, and had NOT told anyone because they were afraid?

flan
________________________________________________________________________________________________

who cares ?
Anyone with a heart...
flan
No.
Not really.
Her sexual preferences are no one else's business.
I don't know why that is hard to understand.
I think once she brought it up, she should have been turned off.
Of course that wasn't going to happen cause it would be called "homophobic".
But had that been someone saying God was their strength, it would have been shut down without a word.

I've already said that I would have no problem with that sentiment.
flan
Yeah, right.

Frankly:
I DON'T CARE whether you believe me or not, but I am NOT LYING.
flan

If you say so.

cadiver · Senior Member

Did anyone even read the speech?

cadiver · Senior Member

lilyofcourse wrote:
flan327 wrote:
burns07 wrote:

Who knows how many other gay classmates were listening to her, and had NOT told anyone because they were afraid?

flan
________________________________________________________________________________________________

who cares ?
Anyone with a heart...
flan
No.
Not really.
Her sexual preferences are no one else's business.
I don't know why that is hard to understand.
I think once she brought it up, she should have been turned off.
Of course that wasn't going to happen cause it would be called "homophobic".
But had that been someone saying God was their strength, it would have been shut down without a word.

So would you agree someone stating that they were Christian they were making it all about themselves and should have the mic turned off.

Tinydancer · Guru

cadiver wrote:
Did anyone even read the speech?

Yes and it was not a very good speech.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

cadiver wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
flan327 wrote:
burns07 wrote:

Who knows how many other gay classmates were listening to her, and had NOT told anyone because they were afraid?

flan
________________________________________________________________________________________________

who cares ?
Anyone with a heart...
flan
No.
Not really.
Her sexual preferences are no one else's business.
I don't know why that is hard to understand.
I think once she brought it up, she should have been turned off.
Of course that wasn't going to happen cause it would be called "homophobic".
But had that been someone saying God was their strength, it would have been shut down without a word.

So would you agree someone stating that they were Christian they were making it all about themselves and should have the mic turned off.

The difference is this.

Giving God glory for helping you through is no where near making it about yourself like announcing you are gay.

One is giving credit, one is simply about self.

The point however, is that if the speech had said thank God, the call for blood would be deafening.

But this is something extremely personal.

No one else's business.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Had she said, I am a heterosexual, would you have wondered why she felt the need to announce it?

To me, it's the same thing.

Why does it matter that she is gay?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Well, that's the thing. The school can forbid them but once they are up there on the Podium they can still pretty much do or say whatever they want to. But , hijacking every event for YOU, YOU, YOU is just being a selfish beyotch.
Yep. That's exactly why the other school just refused to let him give a speech. It's not a personal platform to talk about your sexual preferences.
It's a chance to talk about WHO you are.
"I'm not just gay. I'm not just smart. No one is. No label is big enough to hold an entire person."
flan

No it's not. It isn't a platform to celebrate your personal life. You give the speech as a representative of your class and of the academic success you have achieved. It isn't about YOU taking over the event for YOU. So what if the kids cheered? So, what? Kids cheer a lot of things. That doesn't make it right. And, honestly I do think I recall a kid giving some Christian testimony and other posters going ape.

Tinydancer · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Well, that's the thing. The school can forbid them but once they are up there on the Podium they can still pretty much do or say whatever they want to. But , hijacking every event for YOU, YOU, YOU is just being a selfish beyotch.
Yep. That's exactly why the other school just refused to let him give a speech. It's not a personal platform to talk about your sexual preferences.
It's a chance to talk about WHO you are.
"I'm not just gay. I'm not just smart. No one is. No label is big enough to hold an entire person."
flan

No it's not. It isn't a platform to celebrate your personal life. You give the speech as a representative of your class and of the academic success you have achieved. It isn't about YOU taking over the event for YOU. So what if the kids cheered? So, what? Kids cheer a lot of things. That doesn't make it right. And, honestly I do think I recall a kid giving some Christian testimony and other posters going ape.

This is absolutely correct. If a heterosexual even mentioned their sexual status the crowd would have clapped for that as well.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

cadiver wrote:
Did anyone even read the speech?

Are you confusing us with FACTS?

And, no, but I need to.

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

I read it. Can't get that 10 minutes back. It was long and off subject too frequently.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Sin City Girl wrote:
I don't understand the brave thing. If someone's sexuality isn't supposed to matter in how they are treated then why feel the need to tell everyone? So not the right time to bring it up.

Because this is the whole crux of the LGBT movement. We want to be treated equal but we want to be treated special.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

It isn't right to take an event that is for everybody and turn it into a Look at Me event. Graduation is for ALL those kids and their families, not just hers. And, you should have the respect to not ram your politics or personal agenda down other people's throats.

Tinydancer · Guru

You say it so well LGS!

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Thank you!! smile

Tinydancer · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Sin City Girl wrote:
I don't understand the brave thing. If someone's sexuality isn't supposed to matter in how they are treated then why feel the need to tell everyone? So not the right time to bring it up.
Because this is the whole crux of the LGBT movement. We want to be treated equal but we want to be treated special.

This is my whole problem with what is happening. It seems like only homosexuals get any consideration because everyone's trying so hard to be accepting.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

This is EVERYONE's graduation. Not just HERS. Taking it over for your own agenda is just ignorant. And, just more of the Entitled Me Generation.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
Had she said, I am a heterosexual, would you have wondered why she felt the need to announce it?

To me, it's the same thing.

Why does it matter that she is gay?

1. I can't even believe I have to answer this.

2. Because it is NOT the norm in a predominately HETEROsexual country.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Which has to DO with a Graduation speech HOW?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
This is EVERYONE's graduation. Not just HERS. Taking it over for your own agenda is just ignorant. And, just more of the Entitled Me Generation.

Apparently no one understands the FACT that the PRINCIPAL approved her speech.

Do you think ONE student can speak for the ENTIRE graduating class?

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

All countries everywhere are predominately heterosexual so I'm not quite sure of your point.