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flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

RE: Girl, 13, commits suicide by jumping from bridge after her dad recorded video cutting off her hair

Tinydancer · Guru

Not all girls obsess about their looks so don't be speaking for me.

huskerbb · Guru

TrudyML wrote:
Take her phone and computer away.

But how do you know that wouldnt have had the same result?

Tinydancer · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
TrudyML wrote:
Take her phone and computer away.
But how do you know that wouldnt have had the same result?

They probably already tried that. I'm sure they tried many other things before they decided to cut her hair. She knew what the consequences would be if she did what ever it was again.

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
just Czech wrote:
I, personally, would not cut off my child's hair as punishment. But, I think parents have the right to parent as they see fit.
A hair cut is NOT a life altering event. It is temporary.
IMHO, this child had lots of problems prior to the hair cut.
And a haircut is NOT life threatening.
For you a haircut is not a life altering event. At 13, it certainly would have been for me. I would have been totally devastated. I can't even explain how violated I would have felt. Some people really take a lot of pride in their hair and it means a lot to them. I am not excusing whatever she did wrong. But you cannot say it was a stupid little thing to cut her hair. It would have totally ruined my life at that age. At 13 there are so many things going on inside your head and so many reasons to feel insecure.
And we have no idea if the father's expectations for his daughter were reasonable.
I wore my hair long in junior high and high school (still do), and I would have been devastated if I had been forced to cut it.
flan
Would you have killed yourself?
You know what? At certain points in my 13 year old angst, I might have tried to,yes. My hair was that important to me. I went to a school where how you looked and dressed was everything. No amount of "you look beautiful no matter what" makes what your peers say about you go away 100%. If my hair had been cut like this at certain vulnerable times in my life as a teen I can't honestly say I wouldn't have. And it wouldn't be all about the hair - it would also be about how disrespected by my parents I felt. Violated.
And I am not excusing her misbehavior. I just don't think this was an appropriate punishment.
He disagrees. So what?
He no longer has a daughter...
flan
Sure--but you don't know that this had anything to do with that. You don't know that some other punishment--ANY punishment wouldn't have had the same result. Sure, it's easy to feel all superior because your kids didnt off themselves, but THOUSANDS so kids have done so for thousands of different reasons--or no reason.
Oh, I agree. That's why I wish we had more details.
But for girls, hair is important.
flan

If your hair is so damn important, you have a self image problem.

Oh, right, media says differently. Yup, there's the problem.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

I have to disagree, Czech. You can't change your height or skin tone, but your hair...It says a lot about you.

flan

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

I went to school in a very affluent neighborhood. If you didn't wear the right shoes you were ostracized. If you didn't have the right brand of jeans you were an outcast. If you didn't have a certain brand of purse you were an untouchable. Yeah - hair was important. Damn important. We had a girl who was really poor and didn't have anything considered fashionable. She eventually had to change schools. People talk about inner city schools being rough, this school was rough too, but in totally different ways. You either looked like everyone else or you got run out of school. The principal wore a pair of different colored pants once and the kids made fun of him mercilessly for years! Sometimes to his face.

I don't think it was right nor a healthy environment to grow up in. But if it is one of the things you can control, why not control it? Don't give the bullys a rock to throw at you.

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

flan327 wrote:
I have to disagree, Czech. You can't change your height or skin tone, but your hair...It says a lot about you.

flan

Your hair does not define you, ever. We are more then hair. Good grief, this is the 21st century.

What if she had cancer and lost all her hair, would that make her a different person?

I lost my hair in a propane explosion when I was 14, and my eyebrows, and had scars for years. You know what? At the time it happened, I was more worried about my mom crying over me then how I looked.

Come on, if hair defines you, that's ridiculous.

huskerbb · Guru

I'm not saying hair isn't important--but it's not worth your life. But anyway, we don't know that had anything to do with anything, anyway.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Facts are, a person who commits suicide has been thinking about it for a long time.

Usually have toyed with plans and prep.

This girl had deeper issues. If not, this hair cut would have maybe pissed her off and taught her a lesson. Nothing more.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Facts are, a person who commits suicide has been thinking about it for a long time.

Usually have toyed with plans and prep.

This girl had deeper issues. If not, this hair cut would have maybe pissed her off and taught her a lesson. Nothing more.

No, those aren't the "facts" Lilly. Many suicides are simply a fatal, impulsive rash act in a moment in time. Not all suicides are planned. Geez.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

just Czech wrote:
flan327 wrote:
I have to disagree, Czech. You can't change your height or skin tone, but your hair...It says a lot about you.

flan
Your hair does not define you, ever. We are more then hair. Good grief, this is the 21st century.
What if she had cancer and lost all her hair, would that make her a different person?
I lost my hair in a propane explosion when I was 14, and my eyebrows, and had scars for years. You know what? At the time it happened, I was more worried about my mom crying over me then how I looked.
Come on, if hair defines you, that's ridiculous.

Well, she is 13. It is no more ridiculous than thinking your job defines you or the sport you play defined you or whatever it was defined you.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
TrudyML wrote:
Take her phone and computer away.
But how do you know that wouldnt have had the same result?
They probably already tried that. I'm sure they tried many other things before they decided to cut her hair. She knew what the consequences would be if she did what ever it was again.

Well, we don't know what she did that warranted punishment and we don't know what they tried. It is just as possible that Dad is a nasty SOB too. Lots of kids have also experienced that.

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
TrudyML wrote:
Take her phone and computer away.
But how do you know that wouldnt have had the same result?
They probably already tried that. I'm sure they tried many other things before they decided to cut her hair. She knew what the consequences would be if she did what ever it was again.
Well, we don't know what she did that warranted punishment and we don't know what they tried. It is just as possible that Dad is a nasty SOB too. Lots of kids have also experienced that.

Yay, lots of kids have SOB dads, but they don't kill themselves over it.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
TrudyML wrote:
Take her phone and computer away.
But how do you know that wouldnt have had the same result?
They probably already tried that. I'm sure they tried many other things before they decided to cut her hair. She knew what the consequences would be if she did what ever it was again.
Well, we don't know what she did that warranted punishment and we don't know what they tried. It is just as possible that Dad is a nasty SOB too. Lots of kids have also experienced that.

Maybe he is. That would make her one of MILLIONS of kids with a jerk for a parent.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

OK, and your point is what? It is kind of too late to scold her now isn't it?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Facts are, a person who commits suicide has been thinking about it for a long time.

Usually have toyed with plans and prep.

This girl had deeper issues. If not, this hair cut would have maybe pissed her off and taught her a lesson. Nothing more.
No, those aren't the "facts" Lilly. Many suicides are simply a fatal, impulsive rash act in a moment in time. Not all suicides are planned. Geez.

Then every bit of information I have ever read on the subject is wrong.

They never practice their suicides before hand. No "accidental overdoses" or test cuts.

They never think about when would be the best time at finishing instead of being stopped.

I may not be a college grad. but I can and do read.

Most suicides are not rash, heat of the moment actions.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

just Czech wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
TrudyML wrote:
Take her phone and computer away.
But how do you know that wouldnt have had the same result?
They probably already tried that. I'm sure they tried many other things before they decided to cut her hair. She knew what the consequences would be if she did what ever it was again.
Well, we don't know what she did that warranted punishment and we don't know what they tried. It is just as possible that Dad is a nasty SOB too. Lots of kids have also experienced that.
Yay, lots of kids have SOB dads, but they don't kill themselves over it.

Lots of kids have parents that are a lot WORSE than that and don't kill themselves over it.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

So what?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Facts are, a person who commits suicide has been thinking about it for a long time.

Usually have toyed with plans and prep.

This girl had deeper issues. If not, this hair cut would have maybe pissed her off and taught her a lesson. Nothing more.
No, those aren't the "facts" Lilly. Many suicides are simply a fatal, impulsive rash act in a moment in time. Not all suicides are planned. Geez.
Then every bit of information I have ever read on the subject is wrong.
They never practice their suicides before hand. No "accidental overdoses" or test cuts.
They never think about when would be the best time at finishing instead of being stopped.

I may not be a college grad. but I can and do read.
Most suicides are not rash, heat of the moment actions.

Alot of them are lilly. A lot of suicides are simply a bad rah or impulsive decision.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
So what?

So blaming a parent for their kid's suicide because of how they choose to punish them on one occasion is just cruel. You think it's not bad enough already for them having just lost their child?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

We don't know. I agree. We really never know do we? And no a haircut should not push someone over the edge. I do think it is wrong to punish her and record that.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Facts are, a person who commits suicide has been thinking about it for a long time.

Usually have toyed with plans and prep.

This girl had deeper issues. If not, this hair cut would have maybe pissed her off and taught her a lesson. Nothing more.
No, those aren't the "facts" Lilly. Many suicides are simply a fatal, impulsive rash act in a moment in time. Not all suicides are planned. Geez.
Then every bit of information I have ever read on the subject is wrong.
They never practice their suicides before hand. No "accidental overdoses" or test cuts.
They never think about when would be the best time at finishing instead of being stopped.

I may not be a college grad. but I can and do read.
Most suicides are not rash, heat of the moment actions.
Alot of them are lilly. A lot of suicides are simply a bad rah or impulsive decision.

Well that is completely opposite from the stats, reports and studies I have read.

But whatever.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Well maybe if you met people who have dealt with suicide that aren't stats , u might have a different perspective.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Yes SOME suicides are planned. Some are not.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
OK, and your point is what? It is kind of too late to scold her now isn't it?

The point is that whether or not he was/is a jerk is IRRELEVANT as to the suicide.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

It may or may not be. We don't know.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
It may or may not be. We don't know.

It isn't--or there would be MILLIONS of teens who do the same thing for the same reason.

You are the one who is always saying people need to be mentally tougher and learn how to handle crap.

This was one of those times. It's certainly unfortunate she took the route she did and won't be able to learn a valuable lesson and continue with her life--but the fact is that thousands, if not MILLIONS, of kids likely have it worse than she did.

#firstworldproblems

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

My hair is really important to me. I spend an awful lot of time making sure it's how I want. I wouldn't kill myself over my hair now. I was a pretty depressed teenager and might have back then. But then again, I had a bunch of other factors playing into it. To say hair isn't important is silly. I would cry if I got cancer and lost my hair. No, I wouldn't want to die from the cancer but it would be sad to lose my hair. I can't believe people are saying hair isn't important. It may not be in the life and death category of importance but a lot of people feel that hair is important. How many bald men do comb overs?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

My hair use to be really long and full. I miss it. It was to my waist and hung in loose curls.

I had to cut it all off. I keep it above my ears now.

ed11563 · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
My hair is really important to me. I spend an awful lot of time making sure it's how I want. I wouldn't kill myself over my hair now. I was a pretty depressed teenager and might have back then. But then again, I had a bunch of other factors playing into it. To say hair isn't important is silly. I would cry if I got cancer and lost my hair. No, I wouldn't want to die from the cancer but it would be sad to lose my hair. I can't believe people are saying hair isn't important. It may not be in the life and death category of importance but a lot of people feel that hair is important. How many bald men do comb overs?

Donald Trump. No one else matters.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
My hair is really important to me. I spend an awful lot of time making sure it's how I want. I wouldn't kill myself over my hair now. I was a pretty depressed teenager and might have back then. But then again, I had a bunch of other factors playing into it. To say hair isn't important is silly. I would cry if I got cancer and lost my hair. No, I wouldn't want to die from the cancer but it would be sad to lose my hair. I can't believe people are saying hair isn't important. It may not be in the life and death category of importance but a lot of people feel that hair is important. How many bald men do comb overs?

Thank you for admitting that. I couldn't believe I was the only one.

I did have other issues as well, but my appearance is important to me. How I dress and how I present myself to the world matters to me. I was raised by a mother who never left the house without a full face of makeup. Until we moved in with my grandmother when she became ill (I was 14 at the time) I had never seen her without lipstick on. Hair is important.

Vette · Owl drink to that!

Mellow Momma wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
My hair is really important to me. I spend an awful lot of time making sure it's how I want. I wouldn't kill myself over my hair now. I was a pretty depressed teenager and might have back then. But then again, I had a bunch of other factors playing into it. To say hair isn't important is silly. I would cry if I got cancer and lost my hair. No, I wouldn't want to die from the cancer but it would be sad to lose my hair. I can't believe people are saying hair isn't important. It may not be in the life and death category of importance but a lot of people feel that hair is important. How many bald men do comb overs?
Thank you for admitting that. I couldn't believe I was the only one.
I did have other issues as well, but my appearance is important to me. How I dress and how I present myself to the world matters to me. I was raised by a mother who never left the house without a full face of makeup. Until we moved in with my grandmother when she became ill (I was 14 at the time) I had never seen her without lipstick on. Hair is important.

Put me in this camp, if something were to happen to my hair I would be really really upset. I can't judge this situation not having the facts though, but I feel for the girl. Sad that this happened near me.

msrock · Guru

VetteGirl wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
My hair is really important to me. I spend an awful lot of time making sure it's how I want. I wouldn't kill myself over my hair now. I was a pretty depressed teenager and might have back then. But then again, I had a bunch of other factors playing into it. To say hair isn't important is silly. I would cry if I got cancer and lost my hair. No, I wouldn't want to die from the cancer but it would be sad to lose my hair. I can't believe people are saying hair isn't important. It may not be in the life and death category of importance but a lot of people feel that hair is important. How many bald men do comb overs?
Thank you for admitting that. I couldn't believe I was the only one.
I did have other issues as well, but my appearance is important to me. How I dress and how I present myself to the world matters to me. I was raised by a mother who never left the house without a full face of makeup. Until we moved in with my grandmother when she became ill (I was 14 at the time) I had never seen her without lipstick on. Hair is important.
Put me in this camp, if something were to happen to my hair I would be really really upset. I can't judge this situation not having the facts though, but I feel for the girl. Sad that this happened near me.

Put me in this camp too. Don't F with my hair!

chef · Guru

I'm sorry she felt suicide was her only option. I do agree that she had plenty of chances to rectify her actions. I don't condemn the father for cutting her hair. He had to get through to her somehow.

Whether or not hair is important is subjective. For me, it's hair. It grows back. I couldn't care less about it. If it were socially acceptable, I'd probably shave it. I purposely get my hair cut to look messy. I haven't owned a hairbrush in at least 5 years. But, I don't ridicule those who place importance on their hair. To each their own.

As to schools and influence on teens ... I went to a fancy pants hoity toity middle and high school. I got severely bullied - physical and mental. Some incidents landed me in the hospital. My parents couldn't afford the "in" clothes and, quite frankly, I thought (and think) that the "in" clothes were stupid. I didn't want to follow the crowd - had no desire to. The bullying never made me feel suicidal. At the time, it hurt but I look back and realize how pathetic those bullies were. Their lives must've really sucked to feel the need to bully me.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

msrock wrote:
VetteGirl wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
My hair is really important to me. I spend an awful lot of time making sure it's how I want. I wouldn't kill myself over my hair now. I was a pretty depressed teenager and might have back then. But then again, I had a bunch of other factors playing into it. To say hair isn't important is silly. I would cry if I got cancer and lost my hair. No, I wouldn't want to die from the cancer but it would be sad to lose my hair. I can't believe people are saying hair isn't important. It may not be in the life and death category of importance but a lot of people feel that hair is important. How many bald men do comb overs?
Thank you for admitting that. I couldn't believe I was the only one.
I did have other issues as well, but my appearance is important to me. How I dress and how I present myself to the world matters to me. I was raised by a mother who never left the house without a full face of makeup. Until we moved in with my grandmother when she became ill (I was 14 at the time) I had never seen her without lipstick on. Hair is important.
Put me in this camp, if something were to happen to my hair I would be really really upset. I can't judge this situation not having the facts though, but I feel for the girl. Sad that this happened near me.
Put me in this camp too. Don't F with my hair!

Now don't get me wrong, I doubt I ever would have killed myself over my hair. But I would have been really angry at my parents if they did that to me. My DD went to stay with my sister one summer and she cut her waist long hair off to a little tiny bob. My DD cried. People got her confused with my nephew. She was upset. Hair is important to some people. I don't see what's so wrong about that. Some people spend tons of money on shoes and clothes or other things for their appearance. I don't see that this is any different.

Tinydancer · Guru

msrock wrote:
VetteGirl wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
My hair is really important to me. I spend an awful lot of time making sure it's how I want. I wouldn't kill myself over my hair now. I was a pretty depressed teenager and might have back then. But then again, I had a bunch of other factors playing into it. To say hair isn't important is silly. I would cry if I got cancer and lost my hair. No, I wouldn't want to die from the cancer but it would be sad to lose my hair. I can't believe people are saying hair isn't important. It may not be in the life and death category of importance but a lot of people feel that hair is important. How many bald men do comb overs?
Thank you for admitting that. I couldn't believe I was the only one.
I did have other issues as well, but my appearance is important to me. How I dress and how I present myself to the world matters to me. I was raised by a mother who never left the house without a full face of makeup. Until we moved in with my grandmother when she became ill (I was 14 at the time) I had never seen her without lipstick on. Hair is important.
Put me in this camp, if something were to happen to my hair I would be really really upset. I can't judge this situation not having the facts though, but I feel for the girl. Sad that this happened near me.
Put me in this camp too. Don't F with my hair!

I have to say that my hair was never important to me. I guess I just won't ever understand this because what was in my head was always so much more important than what was on my head. Living up to some one elses ideal of what my hair looked like was always less important than what the next test would reveal I didn't know.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

For me, and this is just for me, I always had long soft hair. People always complimented me on my hair. I was very shy and quiet (truth!) and that would always be a way to kind of draw me out of my shell. I didn't think I really had a lot to offer brain wise because my parents always told me I was dumb.

Tinydancer · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
For me, and this is just for me, I always had long soft hair. People always complimented me on my hair. I was very shy and quiet (truth!) and that would always be a way to kind of draw me out of my shell. I didn't think I really had a lot to offer brain wise because my parents always told me I was dumb.

I bet your hair was beautiful (sure can't say the same for myself) but from what I know of you your brain works pretty good as well.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Tinydancer wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
For me, and this is just for me, I always had long soft hair. People always complimented me on my hair. I was very shy and quiet (truth!) and that would always be a way to kind of draw me out of my shell. I didn't think I really had a lot to offer brain wise because my parents always told me I was dumb.
I bet your hair was beautiful (sure can't say the same for myself) but from what I know of you your brain works pretty good as well.

Thanks! I know my brain works great now, but at the time I didn't. And honestly, I was a wall flower. I was the girl that when people looked in the year book everyone said, "Do you ever remember seeing her in the hallway?"

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

The reality today is that some kids are simply more fragile today. Or, they just have more immediate ideas and means to carry out suicide. Yes, anyone could have jumped off a bridge 50 yrs ago, but they didn't. WHat has changed? Well, families have really broken down. Society has become very coarse and harsh in a lot of ways. There is 24/7 bad news on one channel and 24/7 blinged out rich, perfect looking celebs on another. ANd, there is 24hr social media where kids find themselves being left out , made fun of or whatever. So, the real issue is why are kids so much more prone to this now and what can we do to make them more resilient ?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
The reality today is that some kids are simply more fragile today. Or, they just have more immediate ideas and means to carry out suicide. Yes, anyone could have jumped off a bridge 50 yrs ago, but they didn't. WHat has changed? Well, families have really broken down. Society has become very coarse and harsh in a lot of ways. There is 24/7 bad news on one channel and 24/7 blinged out rich, perfect looking celebs on another. ANd, there is 24hr social media where kids find themselves being left out , made fun of or whatever. So, the real issue is why are kids so much more prone to this now and what can we do to make them more resilient ?

Sure they did. We just didn't hear about it. Which of course means there was less of it b/c suicide is catching.

The more we "know" about EVERYTHING, the more dangerous the world gets.

-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Saturday 6th of June 2015 07:38:04 AM

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
The reality today is that some kids are simply more fragile today. Or, they just have more immediate ideas and means to carry out suicide. Yes, anyone could have jumped off a bridge 50 yrs ago, but they didn't. WHat has changed? Well, families have really broken down. Society has become very coarse and harsh in a lot of ways. There is 24/7 bad news on one channel and 24/7 blinged out rich, perfect looking celebs on another. ANd, there is 24hr social media where kids find themselves being left out , made fun of or whatever. So, the real issue is why are kids so much more prone to this now and what can we do to make them more resilient ?
Sure they did. We just didn't hear about it. Which of course means there was less of it b/c suicide is catching.

The more we "know" about EVERYTHING, the more dangerous the world gets.

-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Saturday 6th of June 2015 07:38:04 AM

I don't believe there were as many suicides by teens 50 yrs ago.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

If you mean by knowing, planting disturbing notions and ideas into people's heads, I do agree with that. Yes, there is a lot of disgusting things online, in movies, etc. We used to be shocked by murder with one gunshot. Now, we are no longer shocked. Then we were shocked when it got more heinous with dismemberment and assorted other torture, etc. Now, we are no longer shocked by anything. SO, I agree we are very desentized.
However, knowledge is a good thing. And, with knowing does come responsibility as well. It is good to know and understand.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

just Czech wrote:
flan327 wrote:
I have to disagree, Czech. You can't change your height or skin tone, but your hair...It says a lot about you.

flan
Your hair does not define you, ever. We are more then hair. Good grief, this is the 21st century.
What if she had cancer and lost all her hair, would that make her a different person?
I lost my hair in a propane explosion when I was 14, and my eyebrows, and had scars for years. You know what? At the time it happened, I was more worried about my mom crying over me then how I looked.
Come on, if hair defines you, that's ridiculous.

No, it doesn't DEFINE you, but to many women, it is important.

This wasn't cancer, it was her father doing it to shame her. Big difference.

And I'm very sorry that happened to you, Czech.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I think it was a really rotten thing for Dad to do. But, he didn't shave her bald. Just cut it short. And, parents do make parenting mistakes. And, yes, you wouldn't want to think any one would kill themselves over that. But, it is sad so many teens are doing this.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Years ago suicides were reported as accidents at home so the parents would not be ashamed or face questions. My best friend's brother committed suicide when he was in the 7th grade and it was reported as an accident at home. He hung himself in the attic of their home and my friend found him. It wasn't an accident. But that's what was reported - so his parents wouldn't lose face and also so no other kids got the idea that suicide was the way to go. I don't think it happens more now, I just think we hear about it more.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Mellow Momma wrote:
Years ago suicides were reported as accidents at home so the parents would not be ashamed or face questions. My best friend's brother committed suicide when he was in the 7th grade and it was reported as an accident at home. He hung himself in the attic of their home and my friend found him. It wasn't an accident. But that's what was reported - so his parents wouldn't lose face and also so no other kids got the idea that suicide was the way to go. I don't think it happens more now, I just think we hear about it more.

Yes. That is a good point. And, that did happen. But, I still think it is much more rampant today. And, I think kids are much more fragile today and view that as an option much more than bygone years.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
Years ago suicides were reported as accidents at home so the parents would not be ashamed or face questions. My best friend's brother committed suicide when he was in the 7th grade and it was reported as an accident at home. He hung himself in the attic of their home and my friend found him. It wasn't an accident. But that's what was reported - so his parents wouldn't lose face and also so no other kids got the idea that suicide was the way to go. I don't think it happens more now, I just think we hear about it more.
Yes. That is a good point. And, that did happen. But, I still think it is much more rampant today. And, I think kids are much more fragile today and view that as an option much more than bygone years.

And that is a direct result of what our society has become. And if it is more rampant today - it is because it is sensationalized instead of shameful.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Someone who is going to commit suicide isn't thinking "oh this is shameful or not shameful". So, I disagree that is the issue. I think the problem is what gets someone to that point in the first place where that makes SENSE to them to do that? And, why do people feel that is the only way out of whatever situation they are in?