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Who gave him permission to 'order for the table'?

May 3, 2015 by BARBARA GERBASI

Empty tables in a restaurant

There we were in one of our favorite Roslyn restaurants, having dinner with friends. It was a party of eight.

Soft lights glimmered and quiet conversation hummed in the background. Our waiter had described the specials and now stood to one side with pen in hand as we scanned the menus.

"I'm thinking about the scampi," said my friend Alice. "I've had it before and it's absolutely delicious."

 

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"It's good, but a bit too garlicky for my taste," said Judy. "I may order the pappardelle with porcini mushrooms and maybe the beet and arugula salad. It sounds delicious."

"Are we having appetizers?" I inquired.

"I'll pass, but if you want them," Kathy said. And so it went. The restaurant was quickly filling up. The waiter moved in closer to ask whether we were ready.

"Let's order something for the table," boomed the authoritative voice from another member of our party.

We all snapped to attention.

"The fried zucchini chips are out of this world, so we could start with an order of them," our spokesman said. "Then maybe the roasted peppers with capers and olives. Theirs are among the best I've ever had, and their chopped salad is really superb, too, a bit different from the usual."

He snapped the menu closed.

"What do you think?"

There were nods and murmurs of agreement and this man gave a satisfied smile before requesting the wine list.

The evening progressed quickly and before we knew it we were sipping our coffee and the check had been presented. The men huddled, checking it for accuracy before tossing their credit cards to the center of the table to ensure an even split.

After dinner, this man's behavior was the first thing I mentioned to my husband when we got in the car.

"Who gave him the authority to order for the table?" I said.

"Well, if you had a problem, you should have said something," he said.

"Well, I didn't want to sound like a spoiled child but . . ."

My husband heaved an exasperated sigh and pushed hard on the gas pedal.

Still irate, I continued, "I mean, he just took over. Those specials are among the most expensive items on the menu, not to mention, so was the wine that he picked. And we all share the bill."

"Since when were you so concerned about the bill?" my husband asked.

There was an edge to his voice.

"Did you have a good time?" he said.

"Well, yes," I said. "It was great to see everyone and the food was good."

"Well, that's it."

And for him, it was.

I, on the other hand, tend to dwell on things.

During the rest of the ride, I pondered the custom of ordering for the table. I had encountered it on occasion before but lately it seems to have become much more commonplace. I could come up with nothing more than the notion that only can a person with confidence tinged with more than a bit of arrogance take charge in that manner.

Once at home, I visited my pal Google. I put in "ordered for the table."

There was a detailed explanation of how to order from a menu. It was written for newcomers to our country. Next I was directed to Robert's Rules of Order, with explicit directions on how to table an issue. Another search offered directions on how to set, buy or sell a table.

At that point, I had trouble keeping my eyes open -- although it could have been the wine, which I had to admit was very good. I made one last try before calling it a night.

I don't remember what keywords I entered into the computer, but there it was, a new result, a quote from Tony Soprano of the old TV series: "I ordered something for the table."

Was he the originator? Who knows, but he certainly met my criteria.

Reader Barbara Gerbasi lives in Manhasset.

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It's not uncommon for this to happen at dinners at sales meetings, where the company is picking up the check (even if it's separate checks).

But at other times, when someone --- any one --- orders appetizers (for the table or not) the appetizer goes on that person's separate check.

 



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Ok, first of all, he didn't "order for the table". It was just the appetizers, and apparently the wine.

Second, if someone wanted something else--SPEAK UP. I doubt it would have been a problem to add an appetizer or two.

Third, grousing about it AFTER the fact when you didn't say anything at the time makes you rather a ninny.

Fourth, this illustrates the difference between men and women. To her husband, they all had a great time, they split the bill evenly even if some ordered more expensive items. Who cares? It's only money and you can't take it with you. The wife, on the other hand, despite admitting she had a good time is still kvetching about the cost of the wine and appetizers.

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It's not uncommon for this to happen at dinners at sales meetings, where the company is picking up the check (even if it's separate checks).

But at other times, when someone --- any one --- orders appetizers (for the table or not) the appetizer goes on that person's separate check.

 


BS.  If they all eat the appetizers they get split if the rest of the bill is split.  



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It's not uncommon for this to happen at dinners at sales meetings, where the company is picking up the check (even if it's separate checks).

But at other times, when someone --- any one --- orders appetizers (for the table or not) the appetizer goes on that person's separate check.

 


BS.  If they all eat the appetizers they get split if the rest of the bill is split.  


Usually the people I eat with order very spicy things. I don't eat spicy food. 

Or raw fish. Or oysters.



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It's not uncommon for this to happen at dinners at sales meetings, where the company is picking up the check (even if it's separate checks).

But at other times, when someone --- any one --- orders appetizers (for the table or not) the appetizer goes on that person's separate check.

 


BS.  If they all eat the appetizers they get split if the rest of the bill is split.  


Usually the people I eat with order very spicy things. I don't eat spicy food. 

Or raw fish. Or oysters.


Fine.  IF you don't eat them, then that is a different scenario.  I wouldn't make a federal case out of it--but it's a different situation than the one described. 

 

In the situation above, they apparently all ate appetizers.   



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"For the table" is NOT the same as ordering for yourself, taking some and passing the rest around, or giving some to one or two specific people.



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"For the table" is NOT the same as ordering for yourself, taking some and passing the rest around, or giving some to one or two specific people.


Exactly.  You are ordering for everyone--so everyone shares and everyone pays.  Again, it was just the appetizers.  If they wanted the shrimp, speak up and add that on to the order.   



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I don't see how this is some kind of unusual scenario.

When we go out with friends, we do often talk about what we want--but when ordering the appetizers, one person often does the ordering.

If it is a place unfamiliar to us, but someone has been there, before, then we would often defer to them since they may know what is good.

It's just not that big of a deal, certainly not worth the conniption the writer of the article had about it.

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I don't see how this is some kind of unusual scenario.

When we go out with friends, we do often talk about what we want--but when ordering the appetizers, one person often does the ordering.

If it is a place unfamiliar to us, but someone has been there, before, then we would often defer to them since they may know what is good.

It's just not that big of a deal, certainly not worth the conniption the writer of the article had about it.


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Some people are just loud mouths and control freaks and can't imagine someone else not liking what he likes.

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Some people are just loud mouths and control freaks and can't imagine someone else not liking what he likes.


But that wasn't even the problem.  She didn't say she didn't like what was ordered.   



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Some people are just loud mouths and control freaks and can't imagine someone else not liking what he likes.


But that wasn't even the problem.  She didn't say she didn't like what was ordered.   


 Yep, she should have said something.  But his loud mouth probably intimidated her. Just because people are not going against your opinion doesn't mean they agree with you.



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It's one meal. Who cares? Next time get separate checks.

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"That sounds great, {loudmouth}!  How kind of you to treat everyone to appetizers!"



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"For the table" is NOT the same as ordering for yourself, taking some and passing the rest around, or giving some to one or two specific people.


Exactly.  You are ordering for everyone--so everyone shares and everyone pays.  Again, it was just the appetizers.  If they wanted the shrimp, speak up and add that on to the order.   


NO! No one told you that you had their permission to spend their money. 

I've seen appetizers add up to $100 to the check for 8 people, 3 or 4 of whom didn't take anything. Or took just a little bit.

 

If you're getting spicy shrimp or octopus or wassabi eggplant, Spouse and I are not eating any. Why should I subsidize $25 of your meal?

Same thing if you order $50 or $100 of wine. I don't drink it, I don't want you picking my pocket.

 



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Well, this can all be easily avoided if people just get their own checks. When they come by initially and ask about appetizers, you pipe up and say, "Oh, we would like separate checks " and then you either order an appetizer or you don't.

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"For the table" is NOT the same as ordering for yourself, taking some and passing the rest around, or giving some to one or two specific people.


Exactly.  You are ordering for everyone--so everyone shares and everyone pays.  Again, it was just the appetizers.  If they wanted the shrimp, speak up and add that on to the order.   


NO! No one told you that you had their permission to spend their money. 

I've seen appetizers add up to $100 to the check for 8 people, 3 or 4 of whom didn't take anything. Or took just a little bit.

 

If you're getting spicy shrimp or octopus or wassabi eggplant, Spouse and I are not eating any. Why should I subsidize $25 of your meal?

Same thing if you order $50 or $100 of wine. I don't drink it, I don't want you picking my pocket.

 


  It is usually the big drinkers who are the pocket pickers and insist on just "splitting" the bill. 



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We always get separate checks. A few of us will get an appetizer and we will share with everyone. My friends drink way more than me. They would never expect me to pay for part of that.

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I guess we usually go out with (only) one other couple, so it's not an issue.

I took a GF for lunch yesterday. She had never been to this pizza place, so I suggested an appetizer, which she loved.

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Well, this can all be easily avoided if people just get their own checks. When they come by initially and ask about appetizers, you pipe up and say, "Oh, we would like separate checks " and then you either order an appetizer or you don't.


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Well, we have 3 kids, so ain't nobody ever wanted to subsidize our tab! lol

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Some people are just loud mouths and control freaks and can't imagine someone else not liking what he likes.


But that wasn't even the problem.  She didn't say she didn't like what was ordered.   


 Yep, she should have said something.  But his loud mouth probably intimidated her. Just because people are not going against your opinion doesn't mean they agree with you.


 But there's no way for him to know that if she doesn't speak up.  Timid people are good at that.  They won't say what they want, so someone else makes the decision be default--and then the timid person bitches behind their back.



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Some people are just loud mouths and control freaks and can't imagine someone else not liking what he likes.


But that wasn't even the problem.  She didn't say she didn't like what was ordered.   


 Yep, she should have said something.  But his loud mouth probably intimidated her. Just because people are not going against your opinion doesn't mean they agree with you.


 But there's no way for him to know that if she doesn't speak up.  Timid people are good at that.  They won't say what they want, so someone else makes the decision be default--and then the timid person bitches behind their back.


That's a good point.  There are way too many passive aggressive people.  If you dont' like it and don't want to do it that way, then say so.  If you are going to go along with it, then accept it and don't be a beyotche about it later. 



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"For the table" is NOT the same as ordering for yourself, taking some and passing the rest around, or giving some to one or two specific people.


Exactly.  You are ordering for everyone--so everyone shares and everyone pays.  Again, it was just the appetizers.  If they wanted the shrimp, speak up and add that on to the order.   


NO! No one told you that you had their permission to spend their money. 

I've seen appetizers add up to $100 to the check for 8 people, 3 or 4 of whom didn't take anything. Or took just a little bit.

 

If you're getting spicy shrimp or octopus or wassabi eggplant, Spouse and I are not eating any. Why should I subsidize $25 of your meal?

Same thing if you order $50 or $100 of wine. I don't drink it, I don't want you picking my pocket.

 


 Bull fvcking ****. if you eat it, then you pay for it.  if you don't want to pay for appetizers someone else orders--then dont eat them.

 

the situation you are talking about is ENTIRELY DIFFERENT than what is suggested in the article.



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