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Ohfour · Hooker

RE: Mothers Who Wish They Had Less Children

huskerbb · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Piss poor time management. One daughter is 16. Why doesn't she have her license and taking herself and her sister to various activities?
Not everyone that is 16 should be driving.

Ok, that is completely irrelevant here, but thanks.

Ohfour · Hooker

huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Piss poor time management. One daughter is 16. Why doesn't she have her license and taking herself and her sister to various activities?
Not everyone that is 16 should be driving.
Ok, that is completely irrelevant here, but thanks.

No it's not. You wonder why she doesn't have a license. Maybe she's not mature enough for one.

huskerbb · Guru

There is nothing in the article to suggest that she is some sort of dumbass (at least not more than any other teenager) that shouldn't drive. Plus, if your kid is too stupid to drive when they come of legal age, barring some true disability, then that is your fault that you didn't prepare them.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Thursday 11th of June 2015 12:56:57 PM

huskerbb · Guru

Oh, and if they can't handle driving by then, then maybe they don't need to be in every activity.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Piss poor time management. One daughter is 16. Why doesn't she have her license and taking herself and her sister to various activities?
Not everyone that is 16 should be driving.
Ok, that is completely irrelevant here, but thanks.
No it's not. You wonder why she doesn't have a license. Maybe she's not mature enough for one.

There are lots of reasons a 16 year old might not have a license. Maybe she failed the test, maybe she doesn't deserve one, maybe she has missed to much school, maybe she has failed.

We have so many laws here for 16 year old drivers, it seems if they breathe wrong they can lose it.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Piss poor time management. One daughter is 16. Why doesn't she have her license and taking herself and her sister to various activities?
Not everyone that is 16 should be driving.
Ok, that is completely irrelevant here, but thanks.
No it's not. You wonder why she doesn't have a license. Maybe she's not mature enough for one.
There are lots of reasons a 16 year old might not have a license. Maybe she failed the test, maybe she doesn't deserve one, maybe she has missed to much school, maybe she has failed.
We have so many laws here for 16 year old drivers, it seems if they breathe wrong they can lose it.

If they can't pass the test or they are flunking school, then the solution is to not be in activities.

huskerbb · Guru

Oh, and lots of kids who are stupid can pass the driving test. You can take it over and over until you pass.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Thursday 11th of June 2015 01:02:43 PM

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Piss poor time management. One daughter is 16. Why doesn't she have her license and taking herself and her sister to various activities?
Not everyone that is 16 should be driving.
Ok, that is completely irrelevant here, but thanks.
No it's not. You wonder why she doesn't have a license. Maybe she's not mature enough for one.
There are lots of reasons a 16 year old might not have a license. Maybe she failed the test, maybe she doesn't deserve one, maybe she has missed to much school, maybe she has failed.
We have so many laws here for 16 year old drivers, it seems if they breathe wrong they can lose it.
If they can't pass the test or they are flunking school, then the solution is to not be in activities.

I would agree with that regarding flunking school - but not passing a driving test? Maybe they are just a bad driver. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to play soccer.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Piss poor time management. One daughter is 16. Why doesn't she have her license and taking herself and her sister to various activities?
Not everyone that is 16 should be driving.
Ok, that is completely irrelevant here, but thanks.
No it's not. You wonder why she doesn't have a license. Maybe she's not mature enough for one.
There are lots of reasons a 16 year old might not have a license. Maybe she failed the test, maybe she doesn't deserve one, maybe she has missed to much school, maybe she has failed.
We have so many laws here for 16 year old drivers, it seems if they breathe wrong they can lose it.
If they can't pass the test or they are flunking school, then the solution is to not be in activities.
I would agree with that regarding flunking school - but not passing a driving test? Maybe they are just a bad driver. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to play soccer.

Then that's your fault for not teaching them better, so she needs to quit whining about being so "busy".

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Oh, and lots of kids who are stupid can pass the driving test. You can take it over and over until you pass.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Thursday 11th of June 2015 01:02:43 PM

Many have waiting periods to take it again. Here, you can re-take it once right away, after that, waiting periods go into effect.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

The family lives in Kent. I have no idea what the rules for getting a license in England are...

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
The family lives in Kent. I have no idea what the rules for getting a license in England are...

flan

Yeah, in Kent you have to be 17 to get a license.

The minimum age for driving a car is 17 years. For mopeds it is 16 and for motorcycles, depending on the power of the bike, it may be from 17 to 21 years.

There are two types of licence:

Provisional
Full

Provisional licences are for drivers who:

Have never had a full licence
Are not able to show they are entitled to a full driving licence

There are certain restrictions for holders of a provisional licence, both for car and motorcycle drivers:

Car drivers must be accompanied by a front-seat passenger seat who is over 21 and has had a full driving licence for at least three years
Motorcyclists must not drive a motorbike that is above 125cc, in Northern Ireland, or a motorbike that is above 14.6bhp.
In England, Wales and Scotland, a motorcyclist must not drive a motorbike on a public road unless they are taking a compulsory basic training course
Motorcyclists must not carry a passenger on the motorbike
L-plates (D-plates in Wales) must be displayed on the front and back of the vehicle

A full licence is issued to a driver that has passed a driving test in the UK, within the previous two years.

huskerbb · Guru

Oh. I assumed it was the US.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Holy cow! You can get your restricted license at 14 years 6 months in the Dakotas.

They changed ours a few years ago. Georgia has a really high drop out rate - so now, licenses are restricted until age 18 - you drop out of school or have more than 10 unexcused absenses, you can't have one.

And holy cow - I just read the rest of our requirements and restrictions. There are LOTS of reasons a 16 year old might not have a license here.

-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Thursday 11th of June 2015 01:43:29 PM

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Holy cow! You can get your restricted license at 14 years 6 months in the Dakotas.

They changed ours a few years ago. Georgia has a really high drop out rate - so now, licenses are restricted until age 18 - you drop out of school or have more than 10 unexcused absenses, you can't have one.

And holy cow - I just read the rest of our requirements and restrictions. There are LOTS of reasons a 16 year old might not have a license here.

-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Thursday 11th of June 2015 01:43:29 PM

But kids who drop out of school don't have club activities that their parents are running them to, either.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Holy cow! You can get your restricted license at 14 years 6 months in the Dakotas.

They changed ours a few years ago. Georgia has a really high drop out rate - so now, licenses are restricted until age 18 - you drop out of school or have more than 10 unexcused absenses, you can't have one.

And holy cow - I just read the rest of our requirements and restrictions. There are LOTS of reasons a 16 year old might not have a license here.

-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Thursday 11th of June 2015 01:43:29 PM
But kids who drop out of school don't have club activities that their parents are running them to, either.

Here, a kid has to have completed a 30 hour driver course, have a parent certify 40 hours of lerner permit driving, at least 8 hours of which is after dark, they have to have a car available to take the test in that cannot be rented, and must have the adult who is insured present (so no borrowing cars without the person coming).

They can get their license suspended for a year if they get caught driving between the hours of 12am and 5 am, get caught driving another minor around that is not a family member within the first 6 months, get caught driving around more than one minor that is not a family member the next six months, or having more than 10 unexcused absenses.

huskerbb · Guru

But those things can be done. Thousands do it. If they get in trouble, that is their own fault.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
But those things can be done. Thousands do it. If they get in trouble, that is their own fault.

Yes, but we don't have free driver's ed here. That 30 hour course has to be paid for.

Ohfour · Hooker

There were a lot of kids at my kids' high school that didn't have access to a car, but were in band, played sports, were on debate teams. Just because you don't have access to a car doesn't mean you shouldn't get to participate in extra curricular activities.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
But those things can be done. Thousands do it. If they get in trouble, that is their own fault.
Yes, but we don't have free driver's ed here. That 30 hour course has to be paid for.

And not only that but putting a teenager on your auto insurance is crazy expensive. For some, it's downright out of reach budget wise. I know it would triple our insurance almost. But DD has no time to take the classes. You have to commit to getting certain things done in a certain amount of time and she can't commit to that. Also, our drivers' ed classes here fill up so far ahead of time it's ridiculous. It is not free, but there are only so many providers nearby and the class for the summer filled up the day registration opened.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

If they wait till they are 18 they can get the learners and drivers the same week.

Jesse is going to take the learners next week. He may get his drivers by Christmas. Depends on how I think he is doing.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
But those things can be done. Thousands do it. If they get in trouble, that is their own fault.
Yes, but we don't have free driver's ed here. That 30 hour course has to be paid for.

We don't, either. So what? If you can't afford it, then I agree--you had too many kids.

huskerbb · Guru

Mellow Momma wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
But those things can be done. Thousands do it. If they get in trouble, that is their own fault.
Yes, but we don't have free driver's ed here. That 30 hour course has to be paid for.
And not only that but putting a teenager on your auto insurance is crazy expensive. For some, it's downright out of reach budget wise. I know it would triple our insurance almost. But DD has no time to take the classes. You have to commit to getting certain things done in a certain amount of time and she can't commit to that. Also, our drivers' ed classes here fill up so far ahead of time it's ridiculous. It is not free, but there are only so many providers nearby and the class for the summer filled up the day registration opened.

LOL!! I had two teenage boys at the same time. i know how much it costs.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

lilyofcourse wrote:
If they wait till they are 18 they can get the learners and drivers the same week.

Jesse is going to take the learners next week. He may get his drivers by Christmas. Depends on how I think he is doing.

Not here. Even if you are over 18 you have to take the classes.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

There are more important things than a 16 year old driving. If I had to work out priorities with my budget - that would not be it.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
There are more important things than a 16 year old driving. If I had to work out priorities with my budget - that would not be it.

If that has to be a consideration--then you did have too many kids. Driving is an important skill necessary for adulthood for most of the population.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Mellow Momma wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
If they wait till they are 18 they can get the learners and drivers the same week.

Jesse is going to take the learners next week. He may get his drivers by Christmas. Depends on how I think he is doing.
Not here. Even if you are over 18 you have to take the classes.

Here, if you're over 17, 18 or above, the classes triple in price. Adults are way more expensive.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
There are more important things than a 16 year old driving. If I had to work out priorities with my budget - that would not be it.
If that has to be a consideration--then you did have too many kids. Driving is an important skill necessary for adulthood for most of the population.

It is not one that is necessary at 16. And not everyone makes the same amount of money. Many people prefer kids over the luxeries in life - that is their choice. And an even MORE important skill for kids to learn is to pay for the things they want in life. So, if a parent decides a child has to pay for driver's ed, pay for their car, and pay for their own insurance, so be it.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
There are more important things than a 16 year old driving. If I had to work out priorities with my budget - that would not be it.
If that has to be a consideration--then you did have too many kids. Driving is an important skill necessary for adulthood for most of the population.
It is not one that is necessary at 16. And not everyone makes the same amount of money. Many people prefer kids over the luxeries in life - that is their choice. And an even MORE important skill for kids to learn is to pay for the things they want in life. So, if a parent decides a child has to pay for driver's ed, pay for their car, and pay for their own insurance, so be it.

The younger you learn and the more practice you have--the better and more confident you'll be at it.

Most at kids don't make the kind of money to pay for all that at 16--plus, a good reason for them to get a license is so that you no longer have to drive them to activities, said activities they probably can no longer be in if they have to get a job.

You pay for all kinds of crap your kids want. This is no different.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Thursday 11th of June 2015 03:20:02 PM

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
If they wait till they are 18 they can get the learners and drivers the same week.

Jesse is going to take the learners next week. He may get his drivers by Christmas. Depends on how I think he is doing.
Not here. Even if you are over 18 you have to take the classes.
Here, if you're over 17, 18 or above, the classes triple in price. Adults are way more expensive.

Our state made the rule because we have so many Somali immigrants that were rehomed here. They could pass the driver's test but couldn't really drive. So they made a rule that if you were not transferring a license from another state, you had to take the classes.

Most of the time when the Somali drivers here get in an accident, they get out of the car and run. I kid you not. They just abandon the car and run.

Ohfour · Hooker

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
There are more important things than a 16 year old driving. If I had to work out priorities with my budget - that would not be it.
If that has to be a consideration--then you did have too many kids. Driving is an important skill necessary for adulthood for most of the population.
It is not one that is necessary at 16. And not everyone makes the same amount of money. Many people prefer kids over the luxeries in life - that is their choice. And an even MORE important skill for kids to learn is to pay for the things they want in life. So, if a parent decides a child has to pay for driver's ed, pay for their car, and pay for their own insurance, so be it.
The younger you learn and the more practice you have--the better and more confident you'll be at it.

Most at kids don't make the kind of money to pay for all that at 16--plus, a good reason for them to get a license is so that you no longer have to drive them to activities, said activities they probably can no longer be in if they have to get a job.

You pay for all kinds of crap your kids want. This is no different.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Thursday 11th of June 2015 03:20:02 PM

I would never pull my kids from activities just so they could drive. That's just stupid.

huskerbb · Guru

Mellow Momma wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
If they wait till they are 18 they can get the learners and drivers the same week.

Jesse is going to take the learners next week. He may get his drivers by Christmas. Depends on how I think he is doing.
Not here. Even if you are over 18 you have to take the classes.
Here, if you're over 17, 18 or above, the classes triple in price. Adults are way more expensive.
Our state made the rule because we have so many Somali immigrants that were rehomed here. They could pass the driver's test but couldn't really drive. So they made a rule that if you were not transferring a license from another state, you had to take the classes.
Most of the time when the Somali drivers here get in an accident, they get out of the car and run. I kid you not. They just abandon the car and run.

Those are the ones who the insurance laws were made for, but half the time they still don't carry it.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
There are more important things than a 16 year old driving. If I had to work out priorities with my budget - that would not be it.
If that has to be a consideration--then you did have too many kids. Driving is an important skill necessary for adulthood for most of the population.
It is not one that is necessary at 16. And not everyone makes the same amount of money. Many people prefer kids over the luxeries in life - that is their choice. And an even MORE important skill for kids to learn is to pay for the things they want in life. So, if a parent decides a child has to pay for driver's ed, pay for their car, and pay for their own insurance, so be it.
The younger you learn and the more practice you have--the better and more confident you'll be at it.

Most at kids don't make the kind of money to pay for all that at 16--plus, a good reason for them to get a license is so that you no longer have to drive them to activities, said activities they probably can no longer be in if they have to get a job.

You pay for all kinds of crap your kids want. This is no different.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Thursday 11th of June 2015 03:20:02 PM
I would never pull my kids from activities just so they could drive. That's just stupid.

Right?

And DD's sport is giving her an opportunity to play in Division 1 in college, on a scholarship, but maybe I should pull her from that so she has time to take drivers' ed !?!?!

huskerbb · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
There are more important things than a 16 year old driving. If I had to work out priorities with my budget - that would not be it.
If that has to be a consideration--then you did have too many kids. Driving is an important skill necessary for adulthood for most of the population.
It is not one that is necessary at 16. And not everyone makes the same amount of money. Many people prefer kids over the luxeries in life - that is their choice. And an even MORE important skill for kids to learn is to pay for the things they want in life. So, if a parent decides a child has to pay for driver's ed, pay for their car, and pay for their own insurance, so be it.
The younger you learn and the more practice you have--the better and more confident you'll be at it.

Most at kids don't make the kind of money to pay for all that at 16--plus, a good reason for them to get a license is so that you no longer have to drive them to activities, said activities they probably can no longer be in if they have to get a job.

You pay for all kinds of crap your kids want. This is no different.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Thursday 11th of June 2015 03:20:02 PM
I would never pull my kids from activities just so they could drive. That's just stupid.

Me, either--but they aren't mutually exclusive. I wanted my kids to drive so they could drive to their activities.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

huskerbb wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
If they wait till they are 18 they can get the learners and drivers the same week.

Jesse is going to take the learners next week. He may get his drivers by Christmas. Depends on how I think he is doing.
Not here. Even if you are over 18 you have to take the classes.
Here, if you're over 17, 18 or above, the classes triple in price. Adults are way more expensive.
Our state made the rule because we have so many Somali immigrants that were rehomed here. They could pass the driver's test but couldn't really drive. So they made a rule that if you were not transferring a license from another state, you had to take the classes.
Most of the time when the Somali drivers here get in an accident, they get out of the car and run. I kid you not. They just abandon the car and run.
Those are the ones who the insurance laws were made for, but half the time they still don't carry it.

No they don't. That's why they are running.

huskerbb · Guru

Mellow Momma wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
There are more important things than a 16 year old driving. If I had to work out priorities with my budget - that would not be it.
If that has to be a consideration--then you did have too many kids. Driving is an important skill necessary for adulthood for most of the population.
It is not one that is necessary at 16. And not everyone makes the same amount of money. Many people prefer kids over the luxeries in life - that is their choice. And an even MORE important skill for kids to learn is to pay for the things they want in life. So, if a parent decides a child has to pay for driver's ed, pay for their car, and pay for their own insurance, so be it.
The younger you learn and the more practice you have--the better and more confident you'll be at it.

Most at kids don't make the kind of money to pay for all that at 16--plus, a good reason for them to get a license is so that you no longer have to drive them to activities, said activities they probably can no longer be in if they have to get a job.

You pay for all kinds of crap your kids want. This is no different.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Thursday 11th of June 2015 03:20:02 PM
I would never pull my kids from activities just so they could drive. That's just stupid.
Right?
And DD's sport is giving her an opportunity to play in Division 1 in college, on a scholarship, but maybe I should pull her from that so she has time to take drivers' ed !?!?!

My kids played sports and still found time to get their licenses. It can be done. You act as if it's one or the other--it isn't.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
There are more important things than a 16 year old driving. If I had to work out priorities with my budget - that would not be it.
If that has to be a consideration--then you did have too many kids. Driving is an important skill necessary for adulthood for most of the population.
It is not one that is necessary at 16. And not everyone makes the same amount of money. Many people prefer kids over the luxeries in life - that is their choice. And an even MORE important skill for kids to learn is to pay for the things they want in life. So, if a parent decides a child has to pay for driver's ed, pay for their car, and pay for their own insurance, so be it.
The younger you learn and the more practice you have--the better and more confident you'll be at it.

Most at kids don't make the kind of money to pay for all that at 16--plus, a good reason for them to get a license is so that you no longer have to drive them to activities, said activities they probably can no longer be in if they have to get a job.

You pay for all kinds of crap your kids want. This is no different.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Thursday 11th of June 2015 03:20:02 PM

Yes, it is. I pay for tennis so she gets exercise and develops athletic skill. I pay for piano because it is proven that music training makes you smarter.

Paying for drivers ed, a car, and insurance doesn't do much at all except increase the chances of her being in an accident.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Well, to be honest when I made the statement I did I was talking about younger kids. Not 16+. I know parents who have their kids in dance/soccer, some kind of music like piano/singing, language classes, and girl or boy scouts. You know if you sign your child up for one activity they are going to have a lot of stuff to do. Add a few more activities and you're over extended. I'm not against activities. Not at all. Just realize that if you sign up for them you will have to spend time doing them and don't complain. My kids wanted to join baseball when they were younger. I put them in it and I religiously ran them around. They got tired of it. I got tired of it. I think unless it's something your child really has a strong interest in it's not worth it. I mean I know boys who adore football and live for it. I say, in that case, go for it. But if the activities are making the whole family miserable what are you really gaining from it? Spend the time with your kids doing other quality time things.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Husker, ou have no idea how much time her sport takes up. Did yourkids get college scholarships to play sports? If not, you have no idea what it takes to play at that level. She dedicates an extraordinary amount of time to it so that she can be the best.

She gets up every day at 6 am. She goes to school by 7 am. She does not return home from school until 8:30 at night and THEN she starts her homework. She finishes her homework between 10:30 and midnight. So...not sure when she is going to take that drivers ed class.

Yes, sometimes it IS one or the other.

-- Edited by Mellow Momma on Thursday 11th of June 2015 03:34:45 PM

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
There are more important things than a 16 year old driving. If I had to work out priorities with my budget - that would not be it.
If that has to be a consideration--then you did have too many kids. Driving is an important skill necessary for adulthood for most of the population.
It is not one that is necessary at 16. And not everyone makes the same amount of money. Many people prefer kids over the luxeries in life - that is their choice. And an even MORE important skill for kids to learn is to pay for the things they want in life. So, if a parent decides a child has to pay for driver's ed, pay for their car, and pay for their own insurance, so be it.
The younger you learn and the more practice you have--the better and more confident you'll be at it.

Most at kids don't make the kind of money to pay for all that at 16--plus, a good reason for them to get a license is so that you no longer have to drive them to activities, said activities they probably can no longer be in if they have to get a job.

You pay for all kinds of crap your kids want. This is no different.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Thursday 11th of June 2015 03:20:02 PM
Yes, it is. I pay for tennis so she gets exercise and develops athletic skill. I pay for piano because it is proven that music training makes you smarter.
Paying for drivers ed, a car, and insurance doesn't do much at all except increase the chances of her being in an accident.

No. Not teaching her now increases the chances she'll have an accident in the future.

Plus, what skill is likely more important to her future success--tennis or driving? How do you get to work?

huskerbb · Guru

Mellow Momma wrote:
Husker, ou have no idea how much time her sport takes up. Did yourkids get college scholarships to play sports? If not, you have no idea what it takes to play at that level. She dedicates an extraordinary amount of time to it so that she can be the best.

She gets up every day at 6 am. She goes to school by 7 am. She does not return home from school until 8:30 at night and THEN she starts her homework. She finishes her homework between 10:30 and midnight. So...not sure when she is going to take that drivers ed class.

Yes, sometimes it IS one or the other.

-- Edited by Mellow Momma on Thursday 11th of June 2015 03:34:45 PM

Oh don't pretend you are the only one to ever raise active teenagers.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

LL, just give it a rest. Put your 11 year old behind the wheel of a car. You know it's the best thing for her.

huskerbb · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
LL, just give it a rest. Put your 11 year old behind the wheel of a car. You know it's the best thing for her.

????? We are talking about kids who can legally get a license--at least in the US.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
There are more important things than a 16 year old driving. If I had to work out priorities with my budget - that would not be it.
If that has to be a consideration--then you did have too many kids. Driving is an important skill necessary for adulthood for most of the population.
It is not one that is necessary at 16. And not everyone makes the same amount of money. Many people prefer kids over the luxeries in life - that is their choice. And an even MORE important skill for kids to learn is to pay for the things they want in life. So, if a parent decides a child has to pay for driver's ed, pay for their car, and pay for their own insurance, so be it.
The younger you learn and the more practice you have--the better and more confident you'll be at it.

Most at kids don't make the kind of money to pay for all that at 16--plus, a good reason for them to get a license is so that you no longer have to drive them to activities, said activities they probably can no longer be in if they have to get a job.

You pay for all kinds of crap your kids want. This is no different.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Thursday 11th of June 2015 03:20:02 PM
Yes, it is. I pay for tennis so she gets exercise and develops athletic skill. I pay for piano because it is proven that music training makes you smarter.
Paying for drivers ed, a car, and insurance doesn't do much at all except increase the chances of her being in an accident.
No. Not teaching her now increases the chances she'll have an accident in the future.

Plus, what skill is likely more important to her future success--tennis or driving? How do you get to work?

Waiting until she is 18 would NOT make that much difference. Especially if she had a lerner's permit the whole time and could be learning to drive even without a license. Face it - you wanted your kids to drive for your own convenience. That isn't required for everyone.

Ohfour · Hooker

Yep. He didn't want to have to haul them around.

Honestly, I loved it. I drove DS to school 45 miles away from my house, drove 30 miles back to work, 30 miles to pick him up and 45 back home. A lot of one to one conversation happened on those drives. I treasure them...

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

As far as the OP goes, her older kids could help with her stress level IF they drove.

flan

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Whenever I take SS out to do errands we have a lot of heart to heart talks. It's when I learn the most from and about him.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
Yep. He didn't want to have to haul them around.

Honestly, I loved it. I drove DS to school 45 miles away from my house, drove 30 miles back to work, 30 miles to pick him up and 45 back home. A lot of one to one conversation happened on those drives. I treasure them...

And I found out with my boys that the car was the best place for any "difficult" conversations:

1. They can't get away.

2. It makes a difference that they could look out the window, rather than looking directly at me.

flan

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

huskerbb wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
Husker, ou have no idea how much time her sport takes up. Did yourkids get college scholarships to play sports? If not, you have no idea what it takes to play at that level. She dedicates an extraordinary amount of time to it so that she can be the best.

She gets up every day at 6 am. She goes to school by 7 am. She does not return home from school until 8:30 at night and THEN she starts her homework. She finishes her homework between 10:30 and midnight. So...not sure when she is going to take that drivers ed class.

Yes, sometimes it IS one or the other.

-- Edited by Mellow Momma on Thursday 11th of June 2015 03:34:45 PM
Oh don't pretend you are the only one to ever raise active teenagers.

You didn't answer the question. Did your boys get college scholarships to play division 1 sports?

Did they spend 13 hours at the school everyday?

Did they have a 3.68 GPA going into their senior year and take all honors or AP classes?

Active is one thing. What DD carries is on a whole other level that very very few people can relate to. I want to know what time your boys got home from school everyday.