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ed11563 · Guru

Could the Bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki Be Considered Terrorism?

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

It was WORLD WAR II for crying out loud.

Get over it, world.

TrudyML · Guru

just Czech wrote:
It was WORLD WAR II for crying out loud.

Get over it, world.

X2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

That is what I was going to say!

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Only by the bleeding heart, spineless, limptards of the world.

burns07 · Guru

Could the Bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki Be Considered Terrorism?
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no--but the firebombings of Japan and Germany arguably could be

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

burns07 wrote:

Could the Bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki Be Considered Terrorism?
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no--but the firebombings of Japan and Germany arguably could be

So is the Blitz of London and the rape of Nanking.

ed11563 · Guru

Is this what it will take to end ISIS?

FNW · Guru

just Czech wrote:
It was WORLD WAR II for crying out loud.

Get over it, world.

X 3.

I visited the Peace Museum in Hiroshima. One of the things I found missing was the acts that lead up to the bombing, in particular, the attacks on Pearl Harbor. Perhaps it was there, but I did not see it.

All is fair in love and war.

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

FNW wrote:
just Czech wrote:
It was WORLD WAR II for crying out loud.

Get over it, world.
X 3.
I visited the Peace Museum in Hiroshima. One of the things I found missing was the acts that lead up to the bombing, in particular, the attacks on Pearl Harbor. Perhaps it was there, but I did not see it.
All is fair in love and war.

They still deny the Rape of Nanking and the use of Chinese women as sex slaves. Japan has never admitted to a lot of atrocities.

ed11563 · Guru

FNW wrote:
just Czech wrote:
It was WORLD WAR II for crying out loud.

Get over it, world.
X 3.
I visited the Peace Museum in Hiroshima. One of the things I found missing was the acts that lead up to the bombing, in particular, the attacks on Pearl Harbor. Perhaps it was there, but I did not see it.
All is fair in love and war.

I read about 10 years ago, that more than half of all Japanese high school students believed that on December 7th, 1941,

the United States attacked the Japanese fleet based in Pearl Harbor, thus dragging Japan into the war.

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

ed11563 wrote:
FNW wrote:
just Czech wrote:
It was WORLD WAR II for crying out loud.

Get over it, world.
X 3.
I visited the Peace Museum in Hiroshima. One of the things I found missing was the acts that lead up to the bombing, in particular, the attacks on Pearl Harbor. Perhaps it was there, but I did not see it.
All is fair in love and war.
I read about 10 years ago, that more than half of all Japanese high school students believed that on December 7th, 1941,
the United States attacked the Japanese fleet based in Pearl Harbor, thus dragging Japan into the war.

I remember reading that also, ed. The Japanese students are not taught that Japan was the aggressor in WWII.

Bonny22Pye · Guru

FNW wrote:
just Czech wrote:
It was WORLD WAR II for crying out loud.

Get over it, world.
X 3.
I visited the Peace Museum in Hiroshima. One of the things I found missing was the acts that lead up to the bombing, in particular, the attacks on Pearl Harbor. Perhaps it was there, but I did not see it.
All is fair in love and war.

I don't think all is fair in war. We have war crime courts for a reason. Civilians should be left out as much as possible.

Whenitrains · Member

Was the attack on Pearl Harbor terrorism? Why don't they address that?

-- Edited by Whenitrains on Wednesday 10th of June 2015 05:29:52 PM

burns07 · Guru

there was much spin about " strategic " bombing in Germany during the war--the fliers ( my father was one of them ) knew differently--they were engaged in " area " bombing which, regardless of the spin, was a direct attack against civilians / non-combatants--the brits, of course, led the way but the other allies went along--Churchill was intent on punishing the German population--right or wrong, that's what happened

Ohfour · Hooker

Bonny22Pye wrote:
FNW wrote:
just Czech wrote:
It was WORLD WAR II for crying out loud.

Get over it, world.
X 3.
I visited the Peace Museum in Hiroshima. One of the things I found missing was the acts that lead up to the bombing, in particular, the attacks on Pearl Harbor. Perhaps it was there, but I did not see it.
All is fair in love and war.
I don't think all is fair in war. We have war crime courts for a reason. Civilians should be left out as much as possible.

That's ridiculous. Only try to attack military? Never. Bomb the schitt out of them.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

We had DECLARED war on Japan that is why it is not terrorism. They had plenty of notice. ISIS has no "country" so there is no war to declare on them. However, we have agreements, treaties, whatever with plenty of countries where ISIS terrorist operate and we act according to our treaty/agreement with that country. This is a stupid liberal article.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Bonny22Pye wrote:
FNW wrote:
just Czech wrote:
It was WORLD WAR II for crying out loud.

Get over it, world.
X 3.
I visited the Peace Museum in Hiroshima. One of the things I found missing was the acts that lead up to the bombing, in particular, the attacks on Pearl Harbor. Perhaps it was there, but I did not see it.
All is fair in love and war.
I don't think all is fair in war. We have war crime courts for a reason. Civilians should be left out as much as possible.

They are. But when a gov't disguises their bombs and weapons and such is schools and hospitals, we have to go after those. That is on that gov't disguising the bombs.

burns07 · Guru

Bomb the schitt out of them.
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warriors don't kill the innocent and the defenseless--that's what murderers do

Bonny22Pye · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
Bonny22Pye wrote:
FNW wrote:
just Czech wrote:
It was WORLD WAR II for crying out loud.

Get over it, world.
X 3.
I visited the Peace Museum in Hiroshima. One of the things I found missing was the acts that lead up to the bombing, in particular, the attacks on Pearl Harbor. Perhaps it was there, but I did not see it.
All is fair in love and war.
I don't think all is fair in war. We have war crime courts for a reason. Civilians should be left out as much as possible.
That's ridiculous. Only try to attack military? Never. Bomb the schitt out of them.

I'm not specifically talking about Japan & WW2. Personally, if we bomb the **** out of them, then they may bomb the **** out of us and we could be held for war crimes. These things need to be thought about and I am not ok with killing innocent children period.

Bonny22Pye · Guru

burns07 wrote:

Bomb the schitt out of them.
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warriors don't kill the innocent and the defenseless--that's what murderers do

Exactly.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Ok here's the thing.

In situations where it is you or them, I think all of us want to be the ones walking away.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

He pulls a knife, you pull a gun.

He sends one of yours to the hospital, send one of his to the morgue.

Bonny22Pye · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Ok here's the thing.

In situations where it is you or them, I think all of us want to be the ones walking away.

Do 2 wrongs make a right? Also, besides Pearl Harbor and 9-11 when have we had recent fighting on our soil where that mentality needs to be dealt with?

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Bonny22Pye wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Ok here's the thing.

In situations where it is you or them, I think all of us want to be the ones walking away.
Do 2 wrongs make a right? Also, besides Pearl Harbor and 9-11 when have we had recent fighting on our soil where that mentality needs to be dealt with?

If we show no force, then we lose. What color burka would you like to wear? How many steps behind your husband and son will you walk? Which terrorist group do you choose to strap a bomb on your DD when he is 4 to run into a crowd?

ed11563 · Guru

Bonny22Pye wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Ok here's the thing.

In situations where it is you or them, I think all of us want to be the ones walking away.
Do 2 wrongs make a right? Also, besides Pearl Harbor and 9-11 when have we had recent fighting on our soil where that mentality needs to be dealt with?

Boston Marathon bombing

shoe bomber

probably 2 dozen more we didn't hear about

Hitler had a plan to take over the world, so does ISIS. Don't think for a second they would let you live.

ed11563 · Guru

Bonny22Pye wrote:
burns07 wrote:

Bomb the schitt out of them.
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warriors don't kill the innocent and the defenseless--that's what murderers do
Exactly.

WRONG WRONG WRONG !!!

Throughout history, and certainly before people were recording history, that's EXACTLY what warriors -- soldiers -- have done.

First kill the men, then rape the women and take the women and children as slaves ... or kill the men, rape the women, then kill the women and children.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Seriously? Does no one pay attention to history and human behavior?

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

I don't understand the mentality of the military being labeled as terroristic. Sure, innocent men, women and children are killed during wars, BUT, terrorists kill the innocent ALL the time. Doesn't matter to a terroristic groups that they are killing innocent people. While on the other hand, it does both military personnel when innocent civilians are casualties.
IMHO, the military (ours) cares, terrorists do not.
I relate it to the owning of guns. If the public does not have guns, the lawless will and then there is anarchy.
We must remember our history or history will repeat itself until the lesson is learned. Over 50 million lives where lost in the last great war. How many will be lost in the next one?
Don't kid yourself into thinking it will not happen again. It will. It's just a matter of time.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Bonny22Pye wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Ok here's the thing.

In situations where it is you or them, I think all of us want to be the ones walking away.
Do 2 wrongs make a right? Also, besides Pearl Harbor and 9-11 when have we had recent fighting on our soil where that mentality needs to be dealt with?

Do you have ANY idea what the Japanese were doing during the war? They were NOT going to surrender. Hell, they didn't even surrender after the FIRST bomb, which is why the 2nd was dropped. You think about the losses, but had those bombs not been dropped, a LOT more people would have died.

Ilumine · Regular

Lawyerlady wrote:
Bonny22Pye wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Ok here's the thing.

In situations where it is you or them, I think all of us want to be the ones walking away.
Do 2 wrongs make a right? Also, besides Pearl Harbor and 9-11 when have we had recent fighting on our soil where that mentality needs to be dealt with?
Do you have ANY idea what the Japanese were doing during the war? They were NOT going to surrender. Hell, they didn't even surrender after the FIRST bomb, which is why the 2nd was dropped. You think about the losses, but had those bombs not been dropped, a LOT more people would have died.

Thank you.

Honestly, our educational system in regards to history sucks. We tend to forget CONTEXT when we discuss past actions. The CULTURE of the Japanese Islands at the time was nothing like the CULTURE of the United States. The Japanese culture of the day included the Kamikaze, Banzai Charges, Seppuku, etc. And let us NOT forget what the civilian population did at Saipan.

The decision to use the two nuclear bombs was not a whim. Truman had no other choice, given the CONTEXT of the CULTURE he was up against. The culture would never had surrendered or at least would have dragged out for YEARS, thus causing MORE DEATHS (both Japanese and Allies) than the loss of these two cities.

Terrorists who bomb races, hotels, and restaurants are most assuredly NOT trying to end the fighting for all, in order for all to prosper.

And to even begin to compare the two shows such a lack of basic comprehension.

ed11563 · Guru

Ilumine wrote:
Thank you.
Honestly, our educational system in regards to history sucks. We tend to forget CONTEXT when we discuss past actions. The CULTURE of the Japanese Islands at the time was nothing like the CULTURE of the United States. The Japanese culture of the day included the Kamikaze, Banzai Charges, Seppuku, etc. And let us NOT forget what the civilian population did at Saipan.
The decision to use the two nuclear bombs was not a whim. Truman had no other choice, given the CONTEXT of the CULTURE he was up against. The culture would never had surrendered or at least would have dragged out for YEARS, thus causing MORE DEATHS (both Japanese and Allies) than the loss of these two cities.
Terrorists who bomb races, hotels, and restaurants are most assuredly NOT trying to end the fighting for all, in order for all to prosper.
And to even begin to compare the two shows such a lack of basic comprehension.

YES !!!

The terrorists in ISIS only understand DEATH. They will do ANYTHING to expand their Caliphate, and their goal is total world domination.

Which means they plan to kill ALL OF US.

The only way I see to stop them is to wipe them off the face of the Earth.

Note that the men doing this consider their women and children to be unimportant and will sacrifice them as bomb shields or suicide bombers to further their cause.

We cannot succeed by trying to limit the collateral damage. THEY don't mind the collateral damage.

burns07 · Guru

the Israelis have dealt with these sorts on a daily basis for decades--and they have survived as a nation--much like killing snakes, they prefer the surgical strikes to remove the head ( the leadership ) and work to eliminate the systemic poison that raises snakes

if terrorists could be eliminated with one surgical or one huge, all-encompassing strike then it would have been done long before now

such is not the nature of the beast--in the meantime, we must hold to who we are and what we believe is right regards innocents / non-combatants--otherwise, we become as malicious and cruel as the terrorists we seek to eliminate

Ilumine · Regular

burns07 wrote:

the Israelis have dealt with these sorts on a daily basis for decades--and they have survived as a nation--much like killing snakes, they prefer the surgical strikes to remove the head ( the leadership ) and work to eliminate the systemic poison that raises snakes

if terrorists could be eliminated with one surgical or one huge, all-encompassing strike then it would have been done long before now

such is not the nature of the beast--in the meantime, we must hold to who we are and what we believe is right regards innocents / non-combatants--otherwise, we become as malicious and cruel as the terrorists we seek to eliminate

The difference is, the average Palestinian is NOT going out of his/her way to kill an Israelite. They would not take their children and throw themselves over a cliff rather than have the Israelies take over their cities. That is the difference between the Palestinians of today and the Japanese of WWII. You also don't have Hamas distributing "The People's Handbook of Resistance of Occupation" to every family".

And Israel has not used a Nuclear Weapon because there would be no way to protect themselves from the radiation. Take a Look at a Map of Japan and then a map of Palestine. Tell me that there is not a logistical and topographical difference that affects how the Israelis make decisions.

Again, perspective and context.

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

Ilumine wrote:
burns07 wrote:

the Israelis have dealt with these sorts on a daily basis for decades--and they have survived as a nation--much like killing snakes, they prefer the surgical strikes to remove the head ( the leadership ) and work to eliminate the systemic poison that raises snakes

if terrorists could be eliminated with one surgical or one huge, all-encompassing strike then it would have been done long before now

such is not the nature of the beast--in the meantime, we must hold to who we are and what we believe is right regards innocents / non-combatants--otherwise, we become as malicious and cruel as the terrorists we seek to eliminate
The difference is, the average Palestinian is NOT going out of his/her way to kill an Israelite. They would not take their children and throw themselves over a cliff rather than have the Israelies take over their cities. That is the difference between the Palestinians of today and the Japanese of WWII. You also don't have Hamas distributing "The People's Handbook of Resistance of Occupation" to every family".
And Israel has not used a Nuclear Weapon because there would be no way to protect themselves from the radiation. Take a Look at a Map of Japan and then a map of Palestine. Tell me that there is not a logistical and topographical difference that affects how the Israelis make decisions.
Again, perspective and context.

Are you unfamiliar with the Quran? The Khalif's? Jihadists? The teachings that occur daily in every Mosque?

Please, don't kid yourself..

huskerbb · Guru

Bonny22Pye wrote:
FNW wrote:
just Czech wrote:
It was WORLD WAR II for crying out loud.

Get over it, world.
X 3.
I visited the Peace Museum in Hiroshima. One of the things I found missing was the acts that lead up to the bombing, in particular, the attacks on Pearl Harbor. Perhaps it was there, but I did not see it.
All is fair in love and war.
I don't think all is fair in war. We have war crime courts for a reason. Civilians should be left out as much as possible.

Bull. There is no such thing as "innocent" civilians in war.

huskerbb · Guru

Ilumine wrote:
burns07 wrote:

the Israelis have dealt with these sorts on a daily basis for decades--and they have survived as a nation--much like killing snakes, they prefer the surgical strikes to remove the head ( the leadership ) and work to eliminate the systemic poison that raises snakes

if terrorists could be eliminated with one surgical or one huge, all-encompassing strike then it would have been done long before now

such is not the nature of the beast--in the meantime, we must hold to who we are and what we believe is right regards innocents / non-combatants--otherwise, we become as malicious and cruel as the terrorists we seek to eliminate
The difference is, the average Palestinian is NOT going out of his/her way to kill an Israelite. They would not take their children and throw themselves over a cliff rather than have the Israelies take over their cities. That is the difference between the Palestinians of today and the Japanese of WWII. You also don't have Hamas distributing "The People's Handbook of Resistance of Occupation" to every family".
And Israel has not used a Nuclear Weapon because there would be no way to protect themselves from the radiation. Take a Look at a Map of Japan and then a map of Palestine. Tell me that there is not a logistical and topographical difference that affects how the Israelis make decisions.
Again, perspective and context.

What planet are you living on??? Palestinians ELECTED Hamas into power--not that the old PLO was much better. They absolutely sacrifice their children--either as suicide bombers and other terrorists, or as human shields to protect the weapons of Hamas.

burns07 · Guru

Bull. There is no such thing as "innocent" civilians in war.
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of course there are

huskerbb · Guru

burns07 wrote:

Bull. There is no such thing as "innocent" civilians in war.
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of course there are

Only your own--and the enemy doesnt see it that way.