TOTALLY GEEKED!

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Do these look average to you?

Vette · Owl drink to that!

Their realistic faces are scary

msrock · Guru

I don't have a problem with it. I also think they need a size 1 model with a small bust.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

I don't care. I have no issue with them. We've had this discussion before. The fat people all say they want bigger sizes and the skinny people all say they want little ones. No one is ever happy.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Is this the end o' the world again?

flan

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

flan327 wrote:
Is this the end o' the world again?

flan

Yes! The last mannequin thread went to something like eight pages.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I think they are fine. But, the one in the back looks transgender, lol.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
I don't care. I have no issue with them. We've had this discussion before. The fat people all say they want bigger sizes and the skinny people all say they want little ones. No one is ever happy.

True, but I would like to see mannequins of assorted shapes and sizes. Why not? Right now, all the mannequins are the same. They don't even have to put faces on them. Just use different body types. It helps for people to see what it might look like on them in reality. And, I think it would help people see these images and that beauty comes in all shapes and sizes.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

msrock wrote:
I don't have a problem with it. I also think they need a size 1 model with a small bust.

They pretty much already do. That is kind of the point.

Southern_Belle · Nothing's Impossible

THey do need all shapes and sizes. Something might look great on a size 10 person with big boobs but not so great on a size one with a smaller cup size. It would save time in the dressing room if people could relate a little better with the display.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Yeah, manniquens haven't changed in years. Time to make them more "user friendly'. Why not try it? They should at least do a trial of assorted mannequins and see if it helps boost sales because really that is what it is all about. It just might have that effect. I think that could be a win win all around. And, different skin tones, ethnicity, etc. Mix it up a bit. I think that would be great.

Vette · Owl drink to that!

I don't think there would be room for every possible mannequin size, shape and color in a store

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

VetteGirl wrote:
I don't think there would be room for every possible mannequin size, shape and color in a store

Exactly. And the people who create the displays need to be able to grab a certain size and know it will fit the mannequins they are working with. If each one is a different size/shape it will make their job a LOT more time consuming and more difficult. Stores don't have the budget for all those different sizes (instead of buying one size in bulk) nor for the extra labor involved.

-- Edited by Mellow Momma on Sunday 14th of June 2015 11:30:03 AM

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

If the store carries the size, they should have the mannequin. If they have the mannequin, they should have the size.

And these are the average size and shape of the general population.

No. They can't have every possible combination of shapes and sizes, but this is the average.

I think it is a good idea. I always hear the "what about body image" crap over Barbie dolls and models, so here is a healthy average body type. Pay attention this Summer. Bet you will see more of this than the glam models at the pools and beach.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Nobody said every possible shape and size. Just mix it up a bit.

FNW · Guru

Meh. I don't really care. But I figure if the clothes make the model look fat, I'm not going to try it on myself. And if I see it on a larger model, I will probably think it's intended for plus-sized people. So if it's the larger audience they are trying to attract, then they are succeeding.

burns07 · Guru

they're still just three basic body types--they should at least have a mannequin in each of them

Bonny22Pye · Guru

I think using advertising (online & print) with more body types would be more useful.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

burns07 wrote:

they're still just three basic body types--they should at least have a mannequin in each of them

There are 3 departments for women - petite, misses and women's. Each section should have the appropriate size mannequin. Other than than - oh well.

FNW · Guru

I see it as another example of trying to normalize something that isn't.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I do agree with that, FNW.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

But it is normal.

The average woman is a 12-14.

That is normal.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

lilyofcourse wrote:
But it is normal.

The average woman is a 12-14.

That is normal.

A size 12 woman is right on the cusp of the obese level of BMI. A size 14 woman is usually there. The point she is making is that society wants people to accept the new average as ok - but health wise, it really isn't.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

You do realize the average female solder is a size 12 right?

The average woman in your everyday life is about a 12.

I think the "stats" have had the Dr. Oz treatment.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

lilyofcourse wrote:
You do realize the average female solder is a size 12 right?

The average woman in your everyday life is about a 12.

I think the "stats" have had the Dr. Oz treatment.

Lily - I am a size 10-12, and I can tell you that I ride the line between healthy BMI and not on a monthly basis. Just because it has become normal doesn't mean it's the best thing. I should lose 20 pounds.

FNW · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
But it is normal.

The average woman is a 12-14.

That is normal.
A size 12 woman is right on the cusp of the obese level of BMI. A size 14 woman is usually there. The point she is making is that society wants people to accept the new average as ok - but health wise, it really isn't.

This. Obesity is a problem, but society is trying to convince themselves it's the new normal.

I look back at old movies, videos, etc., from when I was growing up. I'm amazed how slender and fit everyone looked, young and old. Why is this, I wonder. Last year I took the boys to the pool for lessons and there was a girls swim team practicing. My husband and I were in shock over the size of these girls. And they were not muscular, they were fat. Proof, in my mind anyway, that lack of exercise is not the problem with kids. It goes further than that.

Personally, I feel it all started with the invention of the microwave oven, and convenience foods. Since I started cooking like my grandmother used to, that is, from recipes that don't involved Campbell's or Lipton or any other box or package as a base, I've lost 15 lbs. No other changes to my lifestyle were made. Oh, I love my microwave for re-heating and defrosting. But for cooking? No.

Sure it's nice to be able to rip open a package and just add water and voila, dinner. But I'm not willing to accept that it's okay to carry extra weight, just because others are. And if stores want to set out over-sized mannequins, that's fine with me. But it won't make me want to become that size.

I've heard that some clothing brands are making their clothes larger so that heavier women will buy them, wrongly believing they are actually a size smaller. Meh. Go for it. If there comes a day when I can no longer find my size, I'll just have to find a good tailor to take everything in.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

FWM, I agree with you that clothes should not be resized just to make fat people feel better about themselves. However, I am a fat person and I need fat clothes. Regardless of whether being fat is right or wrong I still have to put something on each day. I'd rather wear something attractive and fitting where all my fat doesn't hang out than something atrocious.

SS's mom shared with me the other day that his four year old sister already weighs 80 pounds. She is huge. She already weighs about half of what she should as an adult and she hasn't even hit puberty yet. It's going to be bad.

Bonny22Pye · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
You do realize the average female solder is a size 12 right?

The average woman in your everyday life is about a 12.

I think the "stats" have had the Dr. Oz treatment.

Muscle weighs more than fat. I'd expect a female soldier to be heavier since they are bulked up.

FNW · Guru

I don't think LL & I are saying to ban fat clothes. That is as ridiculous as removing salt from french fries as a solution to the obesity problem. I'm saying that I feel displaying "full-figured" mannequins in other than in full-sized departments is society's way of trying to make obesity the new "normal." And if I walked into a department or store and those mannequins were displayed, I'd probably leave. Not because I'm judging, but because I would assume that I'm in the wrong department, size wise.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

FNW wrote:
I don't think LL & I are saying to ban fat clothes. That is as ridiculous as removing salt from french fries as a solution to the obesity problem. I'm saying that I feel displaying "full-figured" mannequins in other than in full-sized departments is society's way of trying to make obesity the new "normal." And if I walked into a department or store and those mannequins were displayed, I'd probably leave. Not because I'm judging, but because I would assume that I'm in the wrong department, size wise.

Thanks for clarifying. That makes perfect sense.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

One thing that doesn't get talked about very much because it's so un PC to do so is childhood obesity. More children than ever before are entering adulthood already morbidly obese.

FNW · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
One thing that doesn't get talked about very much because it's so un PC to do so is childhood obesity. More children than ever before are entering adulthood already morbidly obese.

Yes, I see it all the time. I don't understand it. It's so sad to me to see that. People like to blame technology, saying they sit in front of a TV or computer, etc., and don't get enough exercise, but I don't think that's the problem. TV has been around for several generations now, and childhood obesity just started. And like I mentioned before, these girls were on the swim team. Swimming is great exercise, and to be on the team requires practice. More exercise. And take a look at football players. Big, strong. Many with beer guts.

When I was in my 30's I let myself put on extra weight. About 20-25 pounds of it. And on my 5'3" frame, that's a lot. I've always had an interest in the study of nutrition, and I remember setting forth on my quest to lose. There was something I read which made sense to me. Flat abs don't happen in the gym. They start in the kitchen. Words I try to remember each time I pick up my fork.

I guess this is why I think it's all the convenience foods that is the problem. More mothers work now than years ago, and there are more single moms than there used to be. We have a lot on our plates. (no pun intended). So if we can make our lives a little easier, we do. Which is where relying on quick and easy meals come in. Hungry Man and Hamburger Helper started out as a once in awhile quick meal. Now they seem to be becoming a more common theme.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

I agree with you one hundred percent FNW. I see people who cook junk all the time. Every jar and can you open is full of salt, fat, and chemicals. Blah. "Home made" used to mean you cooked it from scratch. Now it means you made it from a box. It's crazy.

I also think people graze more now than ever. I think there are less defined mealtimes and more eating whenever. I think this has happened when people stopped eating as a family. My SS's mom says she keeps a box of pizza in her fridge so that whenever the kids get hungry they have something to snack on. Every time we drop SS off someone is eating pizza over there. I'm not trying to demonize pizza because I myself love it. But when it becomes a SNACK there is something wrong in your diet.

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

When I was a kid it was a really big deal to get to go out for pizza. They didn't deliver back then. At least not here. It was a huge special treat. McD's was really only for birthday parties. And I remember getting excited if mom came home with a bucket of chicken from KFC.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Lexxy wrote:
When I was a kid it was a really big deal to get to go out for pizza. They didn't deliver back then. At least not here. It was a huge special treat. McD's was really only for birthday parties. And I remember getting excited if mom came home with a bucket of chicken from KFC.

That's the way it was for us too Lexxy! I mean we were so darn excited. My SS can recite the menu of every fast food place in town.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

which one is more normal?

burns07 · Guru

which one is more normal?
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well, wouldn't say normal anyway--without considering age, you are obviously looking at two different body types

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

lilyofcourse wrote:
which one is more normal?

They are both normal. People come in all shapes and sizes. The question should be - which one is healthier, and that is going to depend a lot on whether the bigger girl is bigger because of muscle or fat.