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flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

RE: Toddler dies from untreated ear infection after 'parents refused treatment because they don't believe in modern medi

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Basically, you are nit-picking every single little thing to lay blame at this mother's feet for a freak circumstance just because you don't like her views on medicine and that she lives in a camper.

Disgusting.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
Basically, you are nit-picking every single little thing to lay blame at this mother's feet for a freak circumstance just because you don't like her views on medicine and that she lives in a camper.

Disgusting.

Coming from you, that's a compliment...

And I am FAR FROM THE ONLY PERSON criticizing the decisions BOTH parents made.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Basically, you are nit-picking every single little thing to lay blame at this mother's feet for a freak circumstance just because you don't like her views on medicine and that she lives in a camper.

Disgusting.
Coming from you, that's a compliment...
And I am FAR FROM THE ONLY PERSON criticizing the decisions BOTH parents made.
flan

You say that like it matters.

burns07 · Guru

there can be a lot of drama in ER--a lot of blood, a lot of screaming, a lot of standard procedures that can " shock and drop " john q public--that said, this was characterized as a " freak " incident by the professionals concerned--they were there and observed--where / how the parents lived is irrelevant to this situation--once the child presents, the rest is all ancillary

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

My comments about people living in campers were not directly pointed at this couple. If you go back and reread my post I said this was a huge pet peeve of mine. I'm not talking about mobile homes. I'm not talking about wonderfully decked out campers with electricity, water, and functioning bathrooms. I'm talking about chitty living conditions. I do NOT know, because I haven't read the article, if this was the case with this couple. But it sounds like they weren't exactly the most responsible people in the world. And again, being poor does NOT make you a bad parent. I never said it did. My bitch is that every day over and over I see people living in wretched conditions who can't support themselves or the children they have and yet they KEEP HAVING KIDS! Is it an unreasonable expectation to think "Gee, I'm poor. I can't feed my family. Maybe getting pregnant again isn't such a good idea." And I'm not talking about having a one time accident. Once is an accident. Five kids is not an accident. Just the other day a lady on FB was saying she had five kids, was seven months pregnant, and she hadn't eaten in four days so she could feed her kids. Was it true? I don't know. But if her story was true she's starving the baby she's carrying now. Which is pretty much neglect IMO. So I am not directing any of this toward the couple in the OP but I sure as hell wish people would start becoming more responsible parents. Around my area there is SOOOOOOOO much of this. It baffles me.

And as to the OP I don't have an opinion. Sorry. I've had three children and surprisingly enough not even one ever had an ear infection. Not one. I'm not sure I would even recognize the signs of one.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
My comments about people living in campers were not directly pointed at this couple. If you go back and reread my post I said this was a huge pet peeve of mine. I'm not talking about mobile homes. I'm not talking about wonderfully decked out campers with electricity, water, and functioning bathrooms. I'm talking about chitty living conditions. I do NOT know, because I haven't read the article, if this was the case with this couple. But it sounds like they weren't exactly the most responsible people in the world. And again, being poor does NOT make you a bad parent. I never said it did. My bitch is that every day over and over I see people living in wretched conditions who can't support themselves or the children they have and yet they KEEP HAVING KIDS! Is it an unreasonable expectation to think "Gee, I'm poor. I can't feed my family. Maybe getting pregnant again isn't such a good idea." And I'm not talking about having a one time accident. Once is an accident. Five kids is not an accident. Just the other day a lady on FB was saying she had five kids, was seven months pregnant, and she hadn't eaten in four days so she could feed her kids. Was it true? I don't know. But if her story was true she's starving the baby she's carrying now. Which is pretty much neglect IMO. So I am not directing any of this toward the couple in the OP but I sure as hell wish people would start becoming more responsible parents. Around my area there is SOOOOOOOO much of this. It baffles me.

And as to the OP I don't have an opinion. Sorry. I've had three children and surprisingly enough not even one ever had an ear infection. Not one. I'm not sure I would even recognize the signs of one.

With DS1, he cried & pulled his ears...fussy & feverish. I think he could only sleep sitting up.

flan

FNW · Guru

I still never know if they have ear infections. #2 had one at Thanksgiving, and I thought his asthma was bothering him. Took him out at night to see CHristmas lights, and he threw up. Next day at the doctor, she said his ears were both infected and because they were so bad, prescribed antibiotics.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

I don't know anything about ear infections. Never had to deal with them. So I can't really say. I don't know if what this couple did was normal or not.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

flan327 wrote:
LGS, this is from the OP:

An emergency room nurse said that Hope wasn't breathing when she got to the hospital and as staff worked to resuscitate her, Christine became upset and said 'you're putting holes in her,' and 'you're putting chemicals in her.'

flan

Well, putting holes in her and pumping her full of chemicals were really the only chance she had to survive.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Living in a camper because you are poor or because you choose some roughneck lifestyle is not a problem. Living in a camper because you are an addict and can't get a job to feed and support your kid is a problem.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
LGS, this is from the OP:

An emergency room nurse said that Hope wasn't breathing when she got to the hospital and as staff worked to resuscitate her, Christine became upset and said 'you're putting holes in her,' and 'you're putting chemicals in her.'

flan
Well, putting holes in her and pumping her full of chemicals were really the only chance she had to survive.

Of course!

flan

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Living in a camper because you are poor or because you choose some roughneck lifestyle is not a problem. Living in a camper because you are an addict and can't get a job to feed and support your kid is a problem.

I will repeat myself yet again. Living in a camper because you are poor and can't afford anything else does not make you a bad parent. However, you might want to try making better choices so you can provide a better living situation for your children. Being an addict or criminal definitely is a problem. And continuing to have child after child when you live in a camper and can't afford the ones you have IS a problem. I don't see why that's so hard for people to admit.

I do actually know a couple who live and raise their two kids in a converted school bus. They have some money saved that they live on but they will go from area to area and he gets odd jobs to pay for things. They live a hippy like lifestyle (not for me but they love it), but the kids are well taken care of, have plenty of food, and all the things they need. She home schools. Those kids have been all over the US and seen things that most kids have not been able to see. But let's be honest here. The majority of parents living in a camper ARE NOT like this.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
LGS, this is from the OP:

An emergency room nurse said that Hope wasn't breathing when she got to the hospital and as staff worked to resuscitate her, Christine became upset and said 'you're putting holes in her,' and 'you're putting chemicals in her.'

flan
Well, putting holes in her and pumping her full of chemicals were really the only chance she had to survive.
Of course!
flan

And, if you are going to go to the ER, they are presuming you are going to accept the prescribed treatment. If not, don't go.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I see a whole lot of "what they should have" and "what I would've" and a crap ton of snobbery.

But I see very little understanding of the facts.

If this had been a child living in a gated community, with name brand everything and a trust fund, with the exact same history, background and situation, I bet it wouldn't have raised an eyebrow. No one here would say a thing.

But because they live in a camper so that automatically makes them guilty of murder.

The charges against thsee parents are ridiculous and take away time and effort from an already over loaded system. I think when these charges are dropped, and they should be; these parents sue for pain and suffering and damages.

Ear infections are as common and as dangerous as a fart.

This was a one in a million death.

One in a million.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Ohfour wrote:
FNW wrote:
And hysterectomies. They were giving them to everyone in the 70's.
Yep!!!!!!

I'd like one of those, please.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
I see a whole lot of "what they should have" and "what I would've" and a crap ton of snobbery.

But I see very little understanding of the facts.

If this had been a child living in a gated community, with name brand everything and a trust fund, with the exact same history, background and situation, I bet it wouldn't have raised an eyebrow. No one here would say a thing.

But because they live in a camper so that automatically makes them guilty of murder.

The charges against thsee parents are ridiculous and take away time and effort from an already over loaded system. I think when these charges are dropped, and they should be; these parents sue for pain and suffering and damages.

Ear infections are as common and as dangerous as a fart.

This was a one in a million death.

One in a million.

I don't think ANYONE here has singled that out as the reason. You're twisting the facts.

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
LGS, this is from the OP:

An emergency room nurse said that Hope wasn't breathing when she got to the hospital and as staff worked to resuscitate her, Christine became upset and said 'you're putting holes in her,' and 'you're putting chemicals in her.'

flan
Well, putting holes in her and pumping her full of chemicals were really the only chance she had to survive.
Of course!
flan
And, if you are going to go to the ER, they are presuming you are going to accept the prescribed treatment. If not, don't go.

I've refused certain procedures and medication. A person needs to know what is being done and not blindly trust someone because they have a white coat and a piece of parchment.

I ended up in shock once, I left a doctors office and went directly to the ER with my child because I knew he needed IV fluids but the doctor said he didn't, my mawmaw had to go BACK into 6 hour surgery because the surgeon put the wrong graft in.

I don't know a single, halfway intelligent person who wouldn't question any and everything a doctor does.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
LGS, this is from the OP:

An emergency room nurse said that Hope wasn't breathing when she got to the hospital and as staff worked to resuscitate her, Christine became upset and said 'you're putting holes in her,' and 'you're putting chemicals in her.'

flan
Well, putting holes in her and pumping her full of chemicals were really the only chance she had to survive.
Of course!
flan
And, if you are going to go to the ER, they are presuming you are going to accept the prescribed treatment. If not, don't go.
I've refused certain procedures and medication. A person needs to know what is being done and not blindly trust someone because they have a white coat and a piece of parchment.
I ended up in shock once, I left a doctors office and went directly to the ER with my child because I knew he needed IV fluids but the doctor said he didn't, my mawmaw had to go BACK into 6 hour surgery because the surgeon put the wrong graft in.

I don't know a single, halfway intelligent person who wouldn't question any and everything a doctor does.

I think in the middle of a full blown Code Blue, that really isn't the time to say, No I don't want in an IV. Because that was the situation here.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
I see a whole lot of "what they should have" and "what I would've" and a crap ton of snobbery.

But I see very little understanding of the facts.

If this had been a child living in a gated community, with name brand everything and a trust fund, with the exact same history, background and situation, I bet it wouldn't have raised an eyebrow. No one here would say a thing.

But because they live in a camper so that automatically makes them guilty of murder.

The charges against thsee parents are ridiculous and take away time and effort from an already over loaded system. I think when these charges are dropped, and they should be; these parents sue for pain and suffering and damages.

Ear infections are as common and as dangerous as a fart.

This was a one in a million death.

One in a million.
I don't think ANYONE here has singled that out as the reason. You're twisting the facts.
flan

Yeah. Maybe not in those exact words, but yeah, it has.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
LGS, this is from the OP:

An emergency room nurse said that Hope wasn't breathing when she got to the hospital and as staff worked to resuscitate her, Christine became upset and said 'you're putting holes in her,' and 'you're putting chemicals in her.'

flan
Well, putting holes in her and pumping her full of chemicals were really the only chance she had to survive.
Of course!
flan
And, if you are going to go to the ER, they are presuming you are going to accept the prescribed treatment. If not, don't go.
I've refused certain procedures and medication. A person needs to know what is being done and not blindly trust someone because they have a white coat and a piece of parchment.
I ended up in shock once, I left a doctors office and went directly to the ER with my child because I knew he needed IV fluids but the doctor said he didn't, my mawmaw had to go BACK into 6 hour surgery because the surgeon put the wrong graft in.

I don't know a single, halfway intelligent person who wouldn't question any and everything a doctor does.
I think in the middle of a full blown Code Blue, that really isn't the time to say, No I don't want in an IV. Because that was the situation here.

There you go, being logical again!

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
LGS, this is from the OP:

An emergency room nurse said that Hope wasn't breathing when she got to the hospital and as staff worked to resuscitate her, Christine became upset and said 'you're putting holes in her,' and 'you're putting chemicals in her.'

flan
Well, putting holes in her and pumping her full of chemicals were really the only chance she had to survive.
Of course!
flan
And, if you are going to go to the ER, they are presuming you are going to accept the prescribed treatment. If not, don't go.
I've refused certain procedures and medication. A person needs to know what is being done and not blindly trust someone because they have a white coat and a piece of parchment.
I ended up in shock once, I left a doctors office and went directly to the ER with my child because I knew he needed IV fluids but the doctor said he didn't, my mawmaw had to go BACK into 6 hour surgery because the surgeon put the wrong graft in.

I don't know a single, halfway intelligent person who wouldn't question any and everything a doctor does.

1. These parents "did not believe in modern medicine."

2. I'm sorry that you don't have a doctor you can trust, but I do (as well as a fabulous dentist). You seriously question EVERYTHING? Your kids breaks an arm, and you QUESTION the need for a cast?

flan

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Here's what I have said and I will continue to say it. If you have five kids, no job, no car, and live in a camper you should not continue to have kids. Or how about this, if you have no job, no money, a mansion, and a million dollars worth of debt you should not continue to have kids. Does that make it easier to swallow? Why can't people be more responsible about the lives they bring into this world? Why is that so freaking hard to ask of people?

And again, I am talking in general. I don't know these people. I also don't know anything about ear infections.

I also think it's ignorant to question every single thing a doctor says. Some things yes. Not everything. If you are going to question every single thing that comes out of a doctors mouth you may as well not go to them.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Here's what I have said and I will continue to say it. If you have five kids, no job, no car, and live in a camper you should not continue to have kids. Or how about this, if you have no job, no money, a mansion, and a million dollars worth of debt you should not continue to have kids. Does that make it easier to swallow? Why can't people be more responsible about the lives they bring into this world? Why is that so freaking hard to ask of people?

And again, I am talking in general. I don't know these people. I also don't know anything about ear infections.

I also think it's ignorant to question every single thing a doctor says. Some things yes. Not everything. If you are going to question every single thing that comes out of a doctors mouth you may as well not go to them.

If I were a doctor, I wouldn't want that kind of patient.

flan

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Living in a camper doesn't make them guilty of murder. I never said it did. What it does make them guilty of is repeated bad choices. When you are single, make as many bad choices as you want. I don't care. When you are caring for another human life, your bad choices affect another human being who is depending on you. You simply cannot park the camper at the end of a residential street and call it a day. That's a bad choice. Do you know what the CPS standards are for having a child in a home? A camper doesn't meet those standards. Some RV's do, a camper does not. And there is a big difference between a camper and an RV.

You have to have running water, hot and cold. Heat and electricity. There must be a bedroom with a closet and a door for each child past the newborn stage. The child must have a bed off the ground with sheets and blankets. There must be a separate eating area with seating for each person living in the house to be able to sit and eat at once. No person may use the living area as a bedroom. A camper is collapsible and is towed by a vehicle - it is not big enough to meet these standards.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
LGS, this is from the OP:

An emergency room nurse said that Hope wasn't breathing when she got to the hospital and as staff worked to resuscitate her, Christine became upset and said 'you're putting holes in her,' and 'you're putting chemicals in her.'

flan
Well, putting holes in her and pumping her full of chemicals were really the only chance she had to survive.
Of course!
flan
And, if you are going to go to the ER, they are presuming you are going to accept the prescribed treatment. If not, don't go.
I've refused certain procedures and medication. A person needs to know what is being done and not blindly trust someone because they have a white coat and a piece of parchment.
I ended up in shock once, I left a doctors office and went directly to the ER with my child because I knew he needed IV fluids but the doctor said he didn't, my mawmaw had to go BACK into 6 hour surgery because the surgeon put the wrong graft in.

I don't know a single, halfway intelligent person who wouldn't question any and everything a doctor does.
I think in the middle of a full blown Code Blue, that really isn't the time to say, No I don't want in an IV. Because that was the situation here.

Is that what was said? I bet this mom knows the difference between IV fluids and chemicals from syringes.

And yeah. You do need to know what is being put in.

I have an extremember reaction to morphine. It causes my blood pressure to drop dangerously low. So I hope to God someone is questioning everything that goes into me in a code blue situation.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
LGS, this is from the OP:

An emergency room nurse said that Hope wasn't breathing when she got to the hospital and as staff worked to resuscitate her, Christine became upset and said 'you're putting holes in her,' and 'you're putting chemicals in her.'

flan
Well, putting holes in her and pumping her full of chemicals were really the only chance she had to survive.
Of course!
flan
And, if you are going to go to the ER, they are presuming you are going to accept the prescribed treatment. If not, don't go.
I've refused certain procedures and medication. A person needs to know what is being done and not blindly trust someone because they have a white coat and a piece of parchment.
I ended up in shock once, I left a doctors office and went directly to the ER with my child because I knew he needed IV fluids but the doctor said he didn't, my mawmaw had to go BACK into 6 hour surgery because the surgeon put the wrong graft in.

I don't know a single, halfway intelligent person who wouldn't question any and everything a doctor does.
1. These parents "did not believe in modern medicine."
2. I'm sorry that you don't have a doctor you can trust, but I do (as well as a fabulous dentist). You seriously question EVERYTHING? Your kids breaks an arm, and you QUESTION the need for a cast?
flan

That's your problem. They don't think the way you do. You can't think of not blindly trusting someone in a white coat.

And yeah. I question the cast. What kind of cast? Is there an option? Is there latex in any part of what will be used?

You can blindly trust if you like. I wont. Not because I am paranoid. But because people make mistakes.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
LGS, this is from the OP:

An emergency room nurse said that Hope wasn't breathing when she got to the hospital and as staff worked to resuscitate her, Christine became upset and said 'you're putting holes in her,' and 'you're putting chemicals in her.'

flan
Well, putting holes in her and pumping her full of chemicals were really the only chance she had to survive.
Of course!
flan
And, if you are going to go to the ER, they are presuming you are going to accept the prescribed treatment. If not, don't go.
I've refused certain procedures and medication. A person needs to know what is being done and not blindly trust someone because they have a white coat and a piece of parchment.
I ended up in shock once, I left a doctors office and went directly to the ER with my child because I knew he needed IV fluids but the doctor said he didn't, my mawmaw had to go BACK into 6 hour surgery because the surgeon put the wrong graft in.

I don't know a single, halfway intelligent person who wouldn't question any and everything a doctor does.
I think in the middle of a full blown Code Blue, that really isn't the time to say, No I don't want in an IV. Because that was the situation here.
Is that what was said? I bet this mom knows the difference between IV fluids and chemicals from syringes.
And yeah. You do need to know what is being put in.
I have an extremember reaction to morphine. It causes my blood pressure to drop dangerously low. So I hope to God someone is questioning everything that goes into me in a code blue situation.

Why? She doesn't go to doctors. How could she possibly know that?

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Here's what I have said and I will continue to say it. If you have five kids, no job, no car, and live in a camper you should not continue to have kids. Or how about this, if you have no job, no money, a mansion, and a million dollars worth of debt you should not continue to have kids. Does that make it easier to swallow? Why can't people be more responsible about the lives they bring into this world? Why is that so freaking hard to ask of people?

And again, I am talking in general. I don't know these people. I also don't know anything about ear infections.

I also think it's ignorant to question every single thing a doctor says. Some things yes. Not everything. If you are going to question every single thing that comes out of a doctors mouth you may as well not go to them.

Aren't you a nurse? You should know about ear infections. And you should know that doctors make mistakes.

Questioning procedures and medication is not ignorant.

Blindly following is ignorant.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
LGS, this is from the OP:

An emergency room nurse said that Hope wasn't breathing when she got to the hospital and as staff worked to resuscitate her, Christine became upset and said 'you're putting holes in her,' and 'you're putting chemicals in her.'

flan
Well, putting holes in her and pumping her full of chemicals were really the only chance she had to survive.
Of course!
flan
And, if you are going to go to the ER, they are presuming you are going to accept the prescribed treatment. If not, don't go.
I've refused certain procedures and medication. A person needs to know what is being done and not blindly trust someone because they have a white coat and a piece of parchment.
I ended up in shock once, I left a doctors office and went directly to the ER with my child because I knew he needed IV fluids but the doctor said he didn't, my mawmaw had to go BACK into 6 hour surgery because the surgeon put the wrong graft in.

I don't know a single, halfway intelligent person who wouldn't question any and everything a doctor does.
I think in the middle of a full blown Code Blue, that really isn't the time to say, No I don't want in an IV. Because that was the situation here.
Is that what was said? I bet this mom knows the difference between IV fluids and chemicals from syringes.
And yeah. You do need to know what is being put in.
I have an extremember reaction to morphine. It causes my blood pressure to drop dangerously low. So I hope to God someone is questioning everything that goes into me in a code blue situation.

Why? She doesn't go to doctors. How could she possibly know that?
flan

Well. They were at the ER so they apparently they do use modern medicine.

Just not the modern medicine you follow like a lemming.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lily,

Once again...you know NOTHING about me.

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

flan327 wrote:
Lily,

Once again...you know NOTHING about me.

flan

I know enough.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Yes I am a nurse. I have never worked with children. How would I know about ear infections? You get pissed off at me when I say I know something about a topic and then you get pissed off at me when I say I don't know anything about a topic. There is no pleasing you. I think you just like to be unhappy. I have said none of my three children ever had an ear infection. So no, I don't know about them. As a new nurse I worked on the post surgical floor with mostly older patients. From there I went to adult dialysis. The majority of my career was spent working in nursing homes. How would I have first hand knowledge of ear infections just because I am a nurse?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

And no one you ever cared for ever had an ear infection? You have no cursory knowledge at all about ear infections.

Strep is usually accompanied by ear infections.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

NJN, just surrender your nursing license now and no one gets hurt!

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Don't be ridiculous.

Just having a conversation. Those some times involve questions.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

lilyofcourse wrote:
And no one you ever cared for ever had an ear infection? You have no cursory knowledge at all about ear infections.

Strep is usually accompanied by ear infections.

I have had strep over 25 times and never had a single ear infection. They don't go together necessarily.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Mellow Momma wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
And no one you ever cared for ever had an ear infection? You have no cursory knowledge at all about ear infections.

Strep is usually accompanied by ear infections.
I have had strep over 25 times and never had a single ear infection. They don't go together necessarily.

I didn't say they go together.

However it is not uncommon they occur together.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Mellow Momma wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
And no one you ever cared for ever had an ear infection? You have no cursory knowledge at all about ear infections.

Strep is usually accompanied by ear infections.
I have had strep over 25 times and never had a single ear infection. They don't go together necessarily.

Wow! I had strep a year ago (first time, I think) and it was TERRIBLE. Luckily no ear infection for me either.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
Don't be ridiculous.

Just having a conversation. Those some times involve questions.

No, you were suggesting that because she is a nurse, she MUST know about ear infections.

That's like saying because I'm a librarian, I've read every book in my library...

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

No. It's a conversation.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Keep telling yourself that.

flan

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

flan327 wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
And no one you ever cared for ever had an ear infection? You have no cursory knowledge at all about ear infections.

Strep is usually accompanied by ear infections.
I have had strep over 25 times and never had a single ear infection. They don't go together necessarily.
Wow! I had strep a year ago (first time, I think) and it was TERRIBLE. Luckily no ear infection for me either.
flan

I had it every year in the winter for 25 years. I was hospitalized twice it was so bad. Then I went to the doctor when I was healthy and she looked in my throat and asked why I didn't tell her I had a sore throat. I didn't. She said my tonsils were enormous - once I had them out at age 37, no more strep.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Mellow Momma wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
And no one you ever cared for ever had an ear infection? You have no cursory knowledge at all about ear infections.

Strep is usually accompanied by ear infections.
I have had strep over 25 times and never had a single ear infection. They don't go together necessarily.
Wow! I had strep a year ago (first time, I think) and it was TERRIBLE. Luckily no ear infection for me either.
flan
I had it every year in the winter for 25 years. I was hospitalized twice it was so bad. Then I went to the doctor when I was healthy and she looked in my throat and asked why I didn't tell her I had a sore throat. I didn't. She said my tonsils were enormous - once I had them out at age 37, no more strep.

Oh, so that was the problem! Glad you're not going through that anymore.

flan

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Don't be ridiculous.

Just having a conversation. Those some times involve questions.
No, you were suggesting that because she is a nurse, she MUST know about ear infections.
That's like saying because I'm a librarian, I've read every book in my library...
flan

Yeah, that's pretty much what she was saying. No. I have never dealt with an ear infection. EVER. The closest I ever came was an elderly patient who was complaining of ear wax build up that caused pain. One, they don't operate on people who are already sick. So no, on the post surgical floor they didn't admit who were sick. Two, in dialysis because the patients already have a compromised immune system they were not allowed to come to dialysis if they had the slightest infection. They had to go to the hospital to get dialysis. Our patients had to have a sterile environment as much as possible. Third, no the elderly don't really get ear infections. Or strep. The biggest thing they suffer with are UTI's. HUGE problem. First thing they will be tested for if they act sick. The next two things are the flu and pneumonia. Most of our patients fell into one of those categories. They didn't get ear infections. They fell a lot too. Four, nurses don't know everything. Just like doctors have specialties so do nurses. So sorry to disappoint you.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Oh and I had my tonsils out at 33. I had a crap load of strep and tonsillitis. Never once had an ear infection with it. We did this with DN last year. Eight cases in seven months but never an ear infection.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

So what you are all three saying is that you had a common illness and you didn't have complications.

So it stands to reason that it is wholly possible that an ear infection could have a very rare complication such as death. And because ear infections are so common place, and the deat due to it is so rare, it makes complete sense that these parents did NOTHING wrong.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
So what you are all three saying is that you had a common illness and you didn't have complications.

So it stands to reason that it is wholly possible that an ear infection could have a very rare complication such as death. And because ear infections are so common place, and the deat due to it is so rare, it makes complete sense that these parents did NOTHING wrong.

No, we were talking about strep, which does need antibiotics.

flan

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Not at all. I actually stated that I had severe complications twice. And I went to the doctor each time. I was educated by the doctor on what to look for, what to watch for and was educated on how strep can kill you if you let it go too long without being treated. So I am very glad I went to my doc, even though I had a case of strep without complications because the doctor educated me.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

My point is you never know what complications are going to occur.

And expecting an ear infection to end in death is just ridiculous.