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ed11563 · Guru

Health Insurance Coverage during Pregnancy

huskerbb · Guru

People need to buy health insurance. It's foolish not to.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

huskerbb wrote:
People need to buy health insurance. It's foolish not to.

moot point, they have to buy it now.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
People need to buy health insurance. It's foolish not to.
moot point, they have to buy it now.

No, they don't. They can pay the fine instead - which is cheaper.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Lawyerlady wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
People need to buy health insurance. It's foolish not to.
moot point, they have to buy it now.
No, they don't. They can pay the fine instead - which is cheaper.

Cheaper than not having a pregnancy covered? I think not. But I get your point. Poor decisions make for a life time of having to live with those poor decisions. I made poor decisions when I was young and no one bailed me out, I had to bail myself out. These people can do the same.

Riding · Guru

People need to buy health insurance. It's foolish not to.
moot point, they have to buy it now.
No, they don't. They can pay the fine instead - which is cheaper.
off the subject perhaps but the red bolded is just wrong! rather than before when opting out of insurance was a choice and chance you made and took...now you are still without insurance but you must PAY for the right????
just crazy to me

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Riding wrote:
People need to buy health insurance. It's foolish not to.
moot point, they have to buy it now.
No, they don't. They can pay the fine instead - which is cheaper.
off the subject perhaps but the red bolded is just wrong! rather than before when opting out of insurance was a choice and chance you made and took...now you are still without insurance but you must PAY for the right????
just crazy to me

My assistant had to pay a fine for last year. Her previous employer cancelled her insurance. She then didn't have insurance for 4-5 months until she came to work for us, so she had to pay part of the fine. It was not her fault, or her doing and she was penalized for it.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Riding wrote:
People need to buy health insurance. It's foolish not to.
moot point, they have to buy it now.
No, they don't. They can pay the fine instead - which is cheaper.
off the subject perhaps but the red bolded is just wrong! rather than before when opting out of insurance was a choice and chance you made and took...now you are still without insurance but you must PAY for the right????
just crazy to me
My assistant had to pay a fine for last year. Her previous employer cancelled her insurance. She then didn't have insurance for 4-5 months until she came to work for us, so she had to pay part of the fine. It was not her fault, or her doing and she was penalized for it.

Did she not know her employer cancelled her insurance?

JPT · Senior Member

Well, these people who choose to pay a fine can still get sick, or have an accident, and end up in the ER, where they MUST receive treatment. If they can't afford the insurance, then you know they can't afford the ER bill, which then gets written off, and the costs get passed on to us folks who DO have insurance, in the form of higher rates.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Riding wrote:
People need to buy health insurance. It's foolish not to.
moot point, they have to buy it now.
No, they don't. They can pay the fine instead - which is cheaper.
off the subject perhaps but the red bolded is just wrong! rather than before when opting out of insurance was a choice and chance you made and took...now you are still without insurance but you must PAY for the right????
just crazy to me
My assistant had to pay a fine for last year. Her previous employer cancelled her insurance. She then didn't have insurance for 4-5 months until she came to work for us, so she had to pay part of the fine. It was not her fault, or her doing and she was penalized for it.
Did she not know her employer cancelled her insurance?

Yes, she did. But she could not afford to buy Obamacare with the salary she had. One of the reasons she worked for so little is becuase her employer paid for health insurance. This is the reason she finally quit that place, BTW.

Riding · Guru

there are many *bumps* in the plan.

and many who are still overlooked, and new problems for many all because of it.

JPT · Senior Member

I just have to make it 6 more years, then (ta da!) Medicare!

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

JPT wrote:
I just have to make it 6 more years, then (ta da!) Medicare!

I hope the Gov't doesn't start screwing with Medicare to "save" ACA. Not trying to rain on your parade JPT, but raiding medicare to pay for the tax sins of this ACA has been a concern of mine.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Too late IKWTDS.

And Medicare is not enough. No vision, no dental.

And prescriptions. Well. Don't get sick.

huskerbb · Guru

Riding wrote:
People need to buy health insurance. It's foolish not to.
moot point, they have to buy it now.
No, they don't. They can pay the fine instead - which is cheaper.
off the subject perhaps but the red bolded is just wrong! rather than before when opting out of insurance was a choice and chance you made and took...now you are still without insurance but you must PAY for the right????
just crazy to me

But they are getting medical care--they just don't pay anything for it. That's not fair, either. Yeah, they choose not to have health insurance, and everyone else pays for their dead beat ass.

I think a better system would be to make everyone pay at least $40 every time they go to the doctor--up front.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

huskerbb wrote:
Riding wrote:
People need to buy health insurance. It's foolish not to.
moot point, they have to buy it now.
No, they don't. They can pay the fine instead - which is cheaper.
off the subject perhaps but the red bolded is just wrong! rather than before when opting out of insurance was a choice and chance you made and took...now you are still without insurance but you must PAY for the right????
just crazy to me
But they are getting medical care--they just don't pay anything for it. That's not fair, either. Yeah, they choose not to have health insurance, and everyone else pays for their dead beat ass.
I think a better system would be to make everyone pay at least $40 every time they go to the doctor--up front.

And then that progresses into a Government only health insurance system where those that pay taxes , will pay 20% or more in taxes, and those that don't pay taxes get that free ride. And then what do you do about anyone retired who have been saving a lifetime for retirement, make them pay even more in taxes?

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Oh and I do agree with higher co pays. And lets stop funding so much of the R&D of Pharma, force the rest of the world to help with that tab.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

That's ridiculous.

Of course they pay their bills. Just like they did before the fines.

huskerbb · Guru

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Riding wrote:
People need to buy health insurance. It's foolish not to.
moot point, they have to buy it now.
No, they don't. They can pay the fine instead - which is cheaper.
off the subject perhaps but the red bolded is just wrong! rather than before when opting out of insurance was a choice and chance you made and took...now you are still without insurance but you must PAY for the right????
just crazy to me
But they are getting medical care--they just don't pay anything for it. That's not fair, either. Yeah, they choose not to have health insurance, and everyone else pays for their dead beat ass.
I think a better system would be to make everyone pay at least $40 every time they go to the doctor--up front.
And then that progresses into a Government only health insurance system where those that pay taxes , will pay 20% or more in taxes, and those that don't pay taxes get that free ride. And then what do you do about anyone retired who have been saving a lifetime for retirement, make them pay even more in taxes?

How does having everyone pay $40 up front progress into a government only system?

huskerbb · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
That's ridiculous.

Of course they pay their bills. Just like they did before the fines.

No, many do not. Hospitals are forced to write off BILLIONS in bad debt every year.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

huskerbb wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
That's ridiculous.

Of course they pay their bills. Just like they did before the fines.

No, many do not. Hospitals are forced to write off BILLIONS in bad debt every year.

pretty sure Lily was being factitious.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I never had insurance, paid my bills.

Caitlyn doesn't have insurance, pays her bills.

Lots of people without insurance pay their bills.

Ohfour · Hooker

When DD was born, we didn't have insurance. It took us a year to pay it off, but we paid it. The problem is that they don't MAKE people pay their bills. That needs to change.

huskerbb · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
I never had insurance, paid my bills.

Caitlyn doesn't have insurance, pays her bills.

Lots of people without insurance pay their bills.

And a lot of them don't

huskerbb · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
When DD was born, we didn't have insurance. It took us a year to pay it off, but we paid it. The problem is that they don't MAKE people pay their bills. That needs to change.

Yup

Blankie · Guru

JPT wrote:
Well, these people who choose to pay a fine can still get sick, or have an accident, and end up in the ER, where they MUST receive treatment. If they can't afford the insurance, then you know they can't afford the ER bill, which then gets written off, and the costs get passed on to us folks who DO have insurance, in the form of higher rates.

Bingo! It's amazing how many people do not get this. There is no such thing as a free lunch in health care. When people don't pay, the costs get passed on to the consumer.

That's why they had to create the uncompensated care pool. It's the fund used to reimburse health care providers, mainly hospitals, who provide care to individuals who refuse or are unable to pay.

And do you know where this fund came from? All health plans and all hospitals. They had to pay into this pool of money, so the particular hospitals providing the bulk of the free ER care don't go bankrupt. And all the hospitals and health plans who paid into the fund have to pass that cost on to the consumer. I use past tense because I don't know how RomneyCare in Mass. , or the ACA has actually changed the rules for the UCP. I hope it has.

If you choose not to have health insurance, then show us the money you're gonna use to pay your bill for that accident or sickness you never predicted. Or promise us that you'll never show up at an ER expecting care you can't pay for (which ERs are mandated to provide by federal EMTALA legislation to anyone regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay).

Everybody who receives care needs to pay into the system. Period.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I'd like to see health care costs become more reasonable.

Have any of you ever looked at an itemized bill from the hospital?

It's crazy what they charge for things.

And physician bills. I once had a $300 bill for a signiture. Never saw them, a nurse found this doctor to sign my discharge papers.

Blankie · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
I'd like to see health care costs become more reasonable.

Have any of you ever looked at an itemized bill from the hospital?

It's crazy what they charge for things.

And physician bills. I once had a $300 bill for a signiture. Never saw them, a nurse found this doctor to sign my discharge papers.

People need to look at their medical bills. Most people don't care to look at them, or even to ask for them, if the insurance is paying.

They think it's not their concern. Of course it's their concern! Do you know how easy it is for hospitals and doctors to overcharge when the patient never sees the bill?

To bill for services never provided? Or to upcode?

Health care fraud is enabled by the system not being transparent enough. Health care providers will not be made accountable if patients don't care to even look at the costs, and speak up when a bill is wrong.

The consumer has a responsibility, especially if the consumer is the only one in the position to know whether a cost was actually incurred.

Whenitrains · Member

And there are employers who rather pay the pay than to offer their employees health care. The fine is usually cheaper. It's not fair to the employees but the employers that do that don't care.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Whenitrains wrote:
And there are employers who rather pay the pay than to offer their employees health care. The fine is usually cheaper. It's not fair to the employees but the employers that do that don't care.

And most of the time it is about staying in business. How much good would it do to go out of business and put 5-20 people out of work?

Blankie · Guru

Providing health care for employees costs smaller businesses too much, so they don't do it. They have to do what's necessary to survive.

All parties in the scenario need to do their part to bring costs down. There is not one villain. The patients who scam the system and incur medical bills that go unpaid, the hospitals and physicians who charge too much, the auto insurers, doctors and others who collude to defraud Medicare/Medicaid, the for-profit insurers who price-gouge, doctors who deliberately upcode, and the patients who don't take care of their health and develop highly preventable health conditions that sap the system of money.

I'm not a fan of the ACA - I agree partly with the principle, but it was a rush job of legislation and is highly flawed.

But something like that was bound to happen because all the parties were not working together to control health care costs.

If there had been another kind of push to incentivize everyone involved to change, we might not have needed the ACA.

But everyone wants to blame the other entity, and not take responsibility for their part.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Blankie wrote:
JPT wrote:
Well, these people who choose to pay a fine can still get sick, or have an accident, and end up in the ER, where they MUST receive treatment. If they can't afford the insurance, then you know they can't afford the ER bill, which then gets written off, and the costs get passed on to us folks who DO have insurance, in the form of higher rates.

Bingo! It's amazing how many people do not get this. There is no such thing as a free lunch in health care. When people don't pay, the costs get passed on to the consumer.
That's why they had to create the uncompensated care pool. It's the fund used to reimburse health care providers, mainly hospitals, who provide care to individuals who refuse or are unable to pay.
And do you know where this fund came from? All health plans and all hospitals. They had to pay into this pool of money, so the particular hospitals providing the bulk of the free ER care don't go bankrupt. And all the hospitals and health plans who paid into the fund have to pass that cost on to the consumer. I use past tense because I don't know how RomneyCare in Mass. , or the ACA has actually changed the rules for the UCP. I hope it has.
If you choose not to have health insurance, then show us the money you're gonna use to pay your bill for that accident or sickness you never predicted. Or promise us that you'll never show up at an ER expecting care you can't pay for (which ERs are mandated to provide by federal EMTALA legislation to anyone regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay).
Everybody who receives care needs to pay into the system. Period.

And I think anyone on any kind of welfare that visits an ER when there is no emergency should have their EBT card decreased by the amount of the ER cost. They will go there once and then make smarter decisions.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Blankie wrote:
Providing health care for employees costs smaller businesses too much, so they don't do it. They have to do what's necessary to survive.
All parties in the scenario need to do their part to bring costs down. There is not one villain. The patients who scam the system and incur medical bills that go unpaid, the hospitals and physicians who charge too much, the auto insurers, doctors and others who collude to defraud Medicare/Medicaid, the for-profit insurers who price-gouge, doctors who deliberately upcode, and the patients who don't take care of their health and develop highly preventable health conditions that sap the system of money.
I'm not a fan of the ACA - I agree partly with the principle, but it was a rush job of legislation and is highly flawed.
But something like that was bound to happen because all the parties were not working together to control health care costs.
If there had been another kind of push to incentivize everyone involved to change, we might not have needed the ACA.
But everyone wants to blame the other entity, and not take responsibility for their part.

all of this. We need Blankies to re write the provision in the bill to make it actually work.

huskerbb · Guru

Blankie wrote:
Providing health care for employees costs smaller businesses too much, so they don't do it. They have to do what's necessary to survive.
All parties in the scenario need to do their part to bring costs down. There is not one villain. The patients who scam the system and incur medical bills that go unpaid, the hospitals and physicians who charge too much, the auto insurers, doctors and others who collude to defraud Medicare/Medicaid, the for-profit insurers who price-gouge, doctors who deliberately upcode, and the patients who don't take care of their health and develop highly preventable health conditions that sap the system of money.
I'm not a fan of the ACA - I agree partly with the principle, but it was a rush job of legislation and is highly flawed.
But something like that was bound to happen because all the parties were not working together to control health care costs.
If there had been another kind of push to incentivize everyone involved to change, we might not have needed the ACA.
But everyone wants to blame the other entity, and not take responsibility for their part.

There are two primary villains here.

One is medical malpractice. We desperately need tort reform. Will a few people get screwed over if that happens? Probably--but the many would greatly benefit.

The second is strangling governmental regulations regarding number of nurses per patient, the amount of training certain staff need, etc...

Yeah, it would be nice to have an RN for every patient in the hospital--but the cost would be staggering. It's already out of hand.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Blankie wrote:
JPT wrote:
Well, these people who choose to pay a fine can still get sick, or have an accident, and end up in the ER, where they MUST receive treatment. If they can't afford the insurance, then you know they can't afford the ER bill, which then gets written off, and the costs get passed on to us folks who DO have insurance, in the form of higher rates.

Bingo! It's amazing how many people do not get this. There is no such thing as a free lunch in health care. When people don't pay, the costs get passed on to the consumer.
That's why they had to create the uncompensated care pool. It's the fund used to reimburse health care providers, mainly hospitals, who provide care to individuals who refuse or are unable to pay.
And do you know where this fund came from? All health plans and all hospitals. They had to pay into this pool of money, so the particular hospitals providing the bulk of the free ER care don't go bankrupt. And all the hospitals and health plans who paid into the fund have to pass that cost on to the consumer. I use past tense because I don't know how RomneyCare in Mass. , or the ACA has actually changed the rules for the UCP. I hope it has.
If you choose not to have health insurance, then show us the money you're gonna use to pay your bill for that accident or sickness you never predicted. Or promise us that you'll never show up at an ER expecting care you can't pay for (which ERs are mandated to provide by federal EMTALA legislation to anyone regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay).
Everybody who receives care needs to pay into the system. Period.
And I think anyone on any kind of welfare that visits an ER when there is no emergency should have their EBT card decreased by the amount of the ER cost. They will go there once and then make smarter decisions.

And what about those told to go to the ER?

Had that happen more than once. Doctor wanted to get out of the office.

huskerbb · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Blankie wrote:
JPT wrote:
Well, these people who choose to pay a fine can still get sick, or have an accident, and end up in the ER, where they MUST receive treatment. If they can't afford the insurance, then you know they can't afford the ER bill, which then gets written off, and the costs get passed on to us folks who DO have insurance, in the form of higher rates.

Bingo! It's amazing how many people do not get this. There is no such thing as a free lunch in health care. When people don't pay, the costs get passed on to the consumer.
That's why they had to create the uncompensated care pool. It's the fund used to reimburse health care providers, mainly hospitals, who provide care to individuals who refuse or are unable to pay.
And do you know where this fund came from? All health plans and all hospitals. They had to pay into this pool of money, so the particular hospitals providing the bulk of the free ER care don't go bankrupt. And all the hospitals and health plans who paid into the fund have to pass that cost on to the consumer. I use past tense because I don't know how RomneyCare in Mass. , or the ACA has actually changed the rules for the UCP. I hope it has.
If you choose not to have health insurance, then show us the money you're gonna use to pay your bill for that accident or sickness you never predicted. Or promise us that you'll never show up at an ER expecting care you can't pay for (which ERs are mandated to provide by federal EMTALA legislation to anyone regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay).
Everybody who receives care needs to pay into the system. Period.
And I think anyone on any kind of welfare that visits an ER when there is no emergency should have their EBT card decreased by the amount of the ER cost. They will go there once and then make smarter decisions.
And what about those told to go to the ER?
Had that happen more than once. Doctor wanted to get out of the office.

Tough

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Do you know the regulations for nurses to patient ratio? Seriously, do you? As an RN I have never had less than 18 patients at one time. Why do you not see your nurse? We don't have time! Take 8 and subtract a half hour for lunch. We never actually take breaks and sometimes not even lunch. That's seven and a half hours to split for 18 patients. On night shift I have had 50 or above. It was not uncommon to be the only nurse in the building with close to a hundred patients. You really want to relax THESE standards? They're pretty damn relaxed already.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

huskerbb wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Blankie wrote:
JPT wrote:
Well, these people who choose to pay a fine can still get sick, or have an accident, and end up in the ER, where they MUST receive treatment. If they can't afford the insurance, then you know they can't afford the ER bill, which then gets written off, and the costs get passed on to us folks who DO have insurance, in the form of higher rates.

Bingo! It's amazing how many people do not get this. There is no such thing as a free lunch in health care. When people don't pay, the costs get passed on to the consumer.
That's why they had to create the uncompensated care pool. It's the fund used to reimburse health care providers, mainly hospitals, who provide care to individuals who refuse or are unable to pay.
And do you know where this fund came from? All health plans and all hospitals. They had to pay into this pool of money, so the particular hospitals providing the bulk of the free ER care don't go bankrupt. And all the hospitals and health plans who paid into the fund have to pass that cost on to the consumer. I use past tense because I don't know how RomneyCare in Mass. , or the ACA has actually changed the rules for the UCP. I hope it has.
If you choose not to have health insurance, then show us the money you're gonna use to pay your bill for that accident or sickness you never predicted. Or promise us that you'll never show up at an ER expecting care you can't pay for (which ERs are mandated to provide by federal EMTALA legislation to anyone regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay).
Everybody who receives care needs to pay into the system. Period.
And I think anyone on any kind of welfare that visits an ER when there is no emergency should have their EBT card decreased by the amount of the ER cost. They will go there once and then make smarter decisions.
And what about those told to go to the ER?
Had that happen more than once. Doctor wanted to get out of the office.
Tough

Well that's just stupid.

So you gripe about parents not taking their kids to doctors, but then if they try and a doctor tells them to go to the ER for a non emergency, and their insurance won't pay, then what?

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

I have to agree with husker here. If you know your kids have not been feeling well all day then why wait until the end of the day to call the doctor? I know too many people that do this. Our insurance makes it harder for us to go to the ER. The copay is very high and they pay less. I don't really mind though because we've lived here six years and used the ER twice. Around here I see so many, especially young, mothers who run their kids into the ER for nothing but a fever of 100.6. That's not even really high. And I know people who have insurance but have to pay a twenty dollar deductible when they see the doc so they wait and go to the ER so they don't have to pay that. I've seen it all. I am sure a HUGE portion of the ER patients don't need to be there.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I didn't know noon was end of the day.

Not kidding. Had this happen.

Had my doctor tell me after weeks of tests to go to the ER because he couldn't find anything. Not a referral to another doctor, go to the ER.

It wasn't an emergency situation. Just something that needed fixing.

Ohfour · Hooker

lilyofcourse wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Blankie wrote:
JPT wrote:
Well, these people who choose to pay a fine can still get sick, or have an accident, and end up in the ER, where they MUST receive treatment. If they can't afford the insurance, then you know they can't afford the ER bill, which then gets written off, and the costs get passed on to us folks who DO have insurance, in the form of higher rates.

Bingo! It's amazing how many people do not get this. There is no such thing as a free lunch in health care. When people don't pay, the costs get passed on to the consumer.
That's why they had to create the uncompensated care pool. It's the fund used to reimburse health care providers, mainly hospitals, who provide care to individuals who refuse or are unable to pay.
And do you know where this fund came from? All health plans and all hospitals. They had to pay into this pool of money, so the particular hospitals providing the bulk of the free ER care don't go bankrupt. And all the hospitals and health plans who paid into the fund have to pass that cost on to the consumer. I use past tense because I don't know how RomneyCare in Mass. , or the ACA has actually changed the rules for the UCP. I hope it has.
If you choose not to have health insurance, then show us the money you're gonna use to pay your bill for that accident or sickness you never predicted. Or promise us that you'll never show up at an ER expecting care you can't pay for (which ERs are mandated to provide by federal EMTALA legislation to anyone regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay).
Everybody who receives care needs to pay into the system. Period.
And I think anyone on any kind of welfare that visits an ER when there is no emergency should have their EBT card decreased by the amount of the ER cost. They will go there once and then make smarter decisions.
And what about those told to go to the ER?
Had that happen more than once. Doctor wanted to get out of the office.
Tough

Well that's just stupid.
So you gripe about parents not taking their kids to doctors, but then if they try and a doctor tells them to go to the ER for a non emergency, and their insurance won't pay, then what?

Wtf? Seriously??? What if a child goes from being completely normal to a temp of 105 from Friday night to Sunday afternoon? Like the girl with the ear infection? An ear infection isn't an emergency. I've been told to deal with it or go to the ER more than once. Yet you want the parents prosecuted for the same thing my doctor told me. You have to be the most hypocritical person I've ever come across...

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Aww the Emergency Room debate, a decades old problem. What do we do about it?

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

ER's should be used for what they are intended for. EMERGENCIES.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

If the government wants to be involved in healthcare - let them open their own clinics and hospitals. Then, the ones that don't pay can go there and wait 12 hours to be seen for their non-emergency issue.

Let the people who pay for insurance or pay for their care go to the doctors for hire.

ed11563 · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
If the government wants to be involved in healthcare - let them open their own clinics and hospitals. Then, the ones that don't pay can go there and wait 12 hours to be seen for their non-emergency issue.

New York City owns a bunch of hospitals (they're really good customers) and the Federal Gov't owns the Veterans Administration hospitals.

The rest of the hospitals are being or have been merged into large hospital systems so they have some clout with the insurance companies.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Lawyerlady wrote:
If the government wants to be involved in healthcare - let them open their own clinics and hospitals. Then, the ones that don't pay can go there and wait 12 hours to be seen for their non-emergency issue.

Let the people who pay for insurance or pay for their care go to the doctors for hire.

Yep

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

ed11563 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
If the government wants to be involved in healthcare - let them open their own clinics and hospitals. Then, the ones that don't pay can go there and wait 12 hours to be seen for their non-emergency issue.

New York City owns a bunch of hospitals (they're really good customers) and the Federal Gov't owns the Veterans Administration hospitals.
The rest of the hospitals are being or have been merged into large hospital systems so they have some clout with the insurance companies.

The VA SUCKS! Ds has had ongoing issues with his knees. Every time he gets close to getting care from the VA, his records are suddenly lost and he has to start over. VA if gov't run.