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Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

RE: A new twist on the abortion debate

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Here's the problem when you want to clarify between "libs" and "some libs". The Democratic Party - the liberal party - is the party that fights against any form of restriction at all. And when those are the people you elect, they are your representatives. What they do reflects on you. So, when the Democratic party says "no" to reasonable limits on abortion - then the people that voted them in become seen as supporting baby killing.

chillepeppa · Regular

Lawyerlady wrote:
Here's the problem when you want to clarify between "libs" and "some libs". The Democratic Party - the liberal party - is the party that fights against any form of restriction at all. And when those are the people you elect, they are your representatives. What they do reflects on you. So, when the Democratic party says "no" to reasonable limits on abortion - then the people that voted them in become seen as supporting baby killing.

Oooh, I see. So libs are seen as killers. Gotcha.

Sounds absolutely peachy.

So if the libs are the killers, what's the deal with the conservatives? Stick up their assess? Crazy aunts in the basement? Come on. Can't let the libs have all the fun you know...

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

chillepeppa wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Here's the problem when you want to clarify between "libs" and "some libs". The Democratic Party - the liberal party - is the party that fights against any form of restriction at all. And when those are the people you elect, they are your representatives. What they do reflects on you. So, when the Democratic party says "no" to reasonable limits on abortion - then the people that voted them in become seen as supporting baby killing.
Oooh, I see. So libs are seen as killers. Gotcha.
Sounds absolutely peachy.
So if the libs are the killers, what's the deal with the conservatives? Stick up their assess? Crazy aunts in the basement? Come on. Can't let the libs have all the fun you know...

This is the fundamental difference. You LAUGH over this and make fun of it. Pro-life thinks of this as killing children - innocent babies. And you MOCK it. You mock the taking of innocent lives.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

And those lives are taken the majority of the time because people are too lazy to use birth control. So babies are KILLED becuase of lazy people who think freedom to **** around is more important than innocent lives.

chillepeppa · Regular

I mock the generalisations that comes with your political system. If you're not with me, you are against me.

Pro-choice, to me, is anything but pro-abortion, because within that choice, life is still an option.

Vette · Owl drink to that!

I posted something on fb that I thought summed it up, something like if scientists found even a single living cell on another planet they would exclaim over it calling it a life form, and yet a living fetus is not considered a valid enough form of life to be protected.

Lindley · Guru

chillepeppa wrote:
So libs are killers?

I do know a few people who are liberal and are anti-abortion

Lindley · Guru

chillepeppa wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
It's all about worldview. Libs view human beings as parasites. As another mouth to feed. As a drain on resources. Prolifers view human beings as another spark in the world. Another pair of hands, a strong back and strong mind.
But here you say "libs", not "some libs".
Your comments tend to be very black and white. Are all conservatives pro-life, or also just some? Just the good ones,I assume?

Not all conservatives are pro-life.

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

Lindley wrote:
chillepeppa wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
It's all about worldview. Libs view human beings as parasites. As another mouth to feed. As a drain on resources. Prolifers view human beings as another spark in the world. Another pair of hands, a strong back and strong mind.
But here you say "libs", not "some libs".
Your comments tend to be very black and white. Are all conservatives pro-life, or also just some? Just the good ones,I assume?
Not all conservatives are pro-life.

Agreed.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Maybe the wrong 55 million were killed.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

chillepeppa wrote:
I mock the generalisations that comes with your political system. If you're not with me, you are against me.

Pro-choice, to me, is anything but pro-abortion, because within that choice, life is still an option.

But that is not what is pushed and protected and fought for.

Do you know that right now one of the states is fighting b/c their legislature decided that a specific type of procedure for a 2nd term abortion should be banned? They passed a law banning the dismemberment of a 2nd term fetus as an abortion procedure - mainly because it is now proven that those babies can feel pain. There are other options for a 2nd term abortion available. But the law is being fought because the other procedures might make the mother nauceous and feel ill. So, yes, let's fight for the right to cut up live babies in the womb so the mother doesn't have to feel ill. That is disgusting.

FNW · Guru

Babies start with a heart. Too bad so many mothers don't have one.

chillepeppa · Regular

Lawyerlady wrote:
chillepeppa wrote:
I mock the generalisations that comes with your political system. If you're not with me, you are against me.

Pro-choice, to me, is anything but pro-abortion, because within that choice, life is still an option.
But that is not what is pushed and protected and fought for.

Do you know that right now one of the states is fighting b/c their legislature decided that a specific type of procedure for a 2nd term abortion should be banned? They passed a law banning the dismemberment of a 2nd term fetus as an abortion procedure - mainly because it is now proven that those babies can feel pain. There are other options for a 2nd term abortion available. But the law is being fought because the other procedures might make the mother nauceous and feel ill. So, yes, let's fight for the right to cut up live babies in the womb so the mother doesn't have to feel ill. That is disgusting.

Yes, it is disgusting. Even pro-choicers have limits. This would be it for me.

My issue is just the absolute black and white state of affairs on the forum some days. Like grey is not an option but I have to say, to me, reality is more grey than black or white.

FNW · Guru

I can see nothing more black and white than life or death.

chillepeppa · Regular

FNW wrote:
I can see nothing more black and white than life or death.

So I ask you as I asked earlier.

Are all libs pro choice?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

chillepeppa wrote:
FNW wrote:
I can see nothing more black and white than life or death.
So I ask you as I asked earlier.
Are all libs pro choice?

Most libs are. But more importantly, the party they elect is decidedly so.

chillepeppa · Regular

So back to my earlier question,because we all know neither party is perfect. What is the conservative's "pro-choice"? What is that one thing that when someone lumps all conservatives into that group you go... eeeh, actually, no...

FNW · Guru

chillepeppa wrote:
FNW wrote:
I can see nothing more black and white than life or death.
So I ask you as I asked earlier.
Are all libs pro choice?

I don't know. I don't know all libs.

Ohfour · Hooker

FNW wrote:
chillepeppa wrote:
FNW wrote:
I can see nothing more black and white than life or death.
So I ask you as I asked earlier.
Are all libs pro choice?
I don't know. I don't know all libs.

This may be a stretch, but I think that all liberal elected officials are pro-choice. I don't ever recall one not being.

chillepeppa · Regular

FNW wrote:
chillepeppa wrote:
FNW wrote:
I can see nothing more black and white than life or death.
So I ask you as I asked earlier.
Are all libs pro choice?
I don't know. I don't know all libs.

And that is my point. Earlier in this thread, libs were painted as baby killers. Not some libs, just libs. See, black and white.

Ohfour · Hooker

OK, everyone that liberals elect (the elected ones have the power) are all baby killers.

chillepeppa · Regular

Ohfour wrote:
FNW wrote:
chillepeppa wrote:
FNW wrote:
I can see nothing more black and white than life or death.
So I ask you as I asked earlier.
Are all libs pro choice?
I don't know. I don't know all libs.
This may be a stretch, but I think that all liberal elected officials are pro-choice. I don't ever recall one not being.

From my experience,a lot of elected officials get their votes from being the least awful person. Very few of them tick all and every box.

Pro-choice alone would not sway me. It would need to be padded with a few other promises to secure my vote.

chillepeppa · Regular

Ohfour wrote:
OK, everyone that liberals elect (the elected ones have the power) are all baby killers.

I support and respect your right to have thus opinion.

Ohfour · Hooker

Well, not ALL democrats are pro-choice, (mea culpa), but the VAST majority are.

Pro-Life Democratic Senators (1%)
•Senator Bob Casey, PA
•Senator Joe Manchin, WV
•Senator Joe Donnelly, IN

Pro-Life Democratic House Members: (less than 1%)
•Congressman Mike McIntyre, NC-07
•Congressman Nick Rahall, WV-03
•Congressman Dan Lipinski, IL-03
•Congressman Collin Peterson, MN-07

-- Edited by Ohfour on Friday 26th of June 2015 03:27:17 PM

FNW · Guru

chillepeppa wrote:
FNW wrote:
chillepeppa wrote:
FNW wrote:
I can see nothing more black and white than life or death.
So I ask you as I asked earlier.
Are all libs pro choice?
I don't know. I don't know all libs.
And that is my point. Earlier in this thread, libs were painted as baby killers. Not some libs, just libs. See, black and white.

I never said all libs are baby killers. But if someone votes for a candidate that is pro-choice, then they are baby killers.

chillepeppa · Regular

FNW wrote:
chillepeppa wrote:
FNW wrote:
chillepeppa wrote:
FNW wrote:
I can see nothing more black and white than life or death.
So I ask you as I asked earlier.
Are all libs pro choice?
I don't know. I don't know all libs.
And that is my point. Earlier in this thread, libs were painted as baby killers. Not some libs, just libs. See, black and white.
I never said all libs are baby killers. But if someone votes for a candidate that is pro-choice, then they are baby killers.

Didn't say you did. Gaga did, and she owned it.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

chillepeppa wrote:
So back to my earlier question,because we all know neither party is perfect. What is the conservative's "pro-choice"? What is that one thing that when someone lumps all conservatives into that group you go... eeeh, actually, no...

Well - based upon THIS site - I'm pretty straight line conservative. There are, of course, nuts, who go off topic and say stupid things, but that's what they are - nuts.

http://www.studentnewsdaily.com/conservative-vs-liberal-beliefs/

Ohfour · Hooker

Lawyerlady wrote:
chillepeppa wrote:
So back to my earlier question,because we all know neither party is perfect. What is the conservative's "pro-choice"? What is that one thing that when someone lumps all conservatives into that group you go... eeeh, actually, no...
Well - based upon THIS site - I'm pretty straight line conservative. There are, of course, nuts, who go off topic and say stupid things, but that's what they are - nuts.

http://www.studentnewsdaily.com/conservative-vs-liberal-beliefs/

I'm straight as an arrow Conservative according to this. There is not one thing written here that I disagree with!

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

So the debate is over what a liberal is and not about abortion.

Let's look at the medical side of abortion.

The procedure is categorized as surgery. Out patient. It's dangerous for the pregnant woman.

I think the 72 hour waiting period is about right for something like this.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

chillepeppa wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
It's all about worldview. Libs view human beings as parasites. As another mouth to feed. As a drain on resources. Prolifers view human beings as another spark in the world. Another pair of hands, a strong back and strong mind.
But here you say "libs", not "some libs".
Your comments tend to be very black and white. Are all conservatives pro-life, or also just some? Just the good ones,I assume?

And what about the ones who bomb abortion clinics?

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
And those lives are taken the majority of the time because people are too lazy to use birth control. So babies are KILLED becuase of lazy people who think freedom to **** around is more important than innocent lives.

You have stats to back that up?

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
And those lives are taken the majority of the time because people are too lazy to use birth control. So babies are KILLED becuase of lazy people who think freedom to **** around is more important than innocent lives.
You have stats to back that up?
flan

Do you have stats to contradict it?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
chillepeppa wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
It's all about worldview. Libs view human beings as parasites. As another mouth to feed. As a drain on resources. Prolifers view human beings as another spark in the world. Another pair of hands, a strong back and strong mind.
But here you say "libs", not "some libs".
Your comments tend to be very black and white. Are all conservatives pro-life, or also just some? Just the good ones,I assume?
And what about the ones who bomb abortion clinics?
flan

That would be an example of a nut. It is not endorsed or supported by the Republican Party.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
And those lives are taken the majority of the time because people are too lazy to use birth control. So babies are KILLED becuase of lazy people who think freedom to **** around is more important than innocent lives.
You have stats to back that up?
flan
Do you have stats to contradict it?

I'm not the one who made the original statement.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
And those lives are taken the majority of the time because people are too lazy to use birth control. So babies are KILLED becuase of lazy people who think freedom to **** around is more important than innocent lives.
You have stats to back that up?
flan
Do you have stats to contradict it?
I'm not the one who made the original statement.
flan

Well, if you want to argue with it and show me otherwise - have at it. But, I'm not doing your homework for you.

Ohfour · Hooker

Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
chillepeppa wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
It's all about worldview. Libs view human beings as parasites. As another mouth to feed. As a drain on resources. Prolifers view human beings as another spark in the world. Another pair of hands, a strong back and strong mind.
But here you say "libs", not "some libs".
Your comments tend to be very black and white. Are all conservatives pro-life, or also just some? Just the good ones,I assume?
And what about the ones who bomb abortion clinics?
flan
That would be an example of a nut. It is not endorsed or supported by the Republican Party.

Right???? confuse confuse confuse confuse

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
chillepeppa wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
It's all about worldview. Libs view human beings as parasites. As another mouth to feed. As a drain on resources. Prolifers view human beings as another spark in the world. Another pair of hands, a strong back and strong mind.
But here you say "libs", not "some libs".
Your comments tend to be very black and white. Are all conservatives pro-life, or also just some? Just the good ones,I assume?
And what about the ones who bomb abortion clinics?
flan
That would be an example of a nut. It is not endorsed or supported by the Republican Party.
Right????

It is absolutely as ridiculous as assuming Pro-choice = Pro-death, but it makes you feel all morally superior...

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
chillepeppa wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
It's all about worldview. Libs view human beings as parasites. As another mouth to feed. As a drain on resources. Prolifers view human beings as another spark in the world. Another pair of hands, a strong back and strong mind.
But here you say "libs", not "some libs".
Your comments tend to be very black and white. Are all conservatives pro-life, or also just some? Just the good ones,I assume?
And what about the ones who bomb abortion clinics?
flan
That would be an example of a nut. It is not endorsed or supported by the Republican Party.
Right????
It is absolutely as ridiculous as assuming Pro-choice = Pro-death, but it makes you feel all morally superior...
flan

Except that is the actual abortion position of the Democratic party - no limits on abortion. See how that's different?

Ohfour · Hooker

I was JUST about to type the exact same thing, LL.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

I support limits on abortion.

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
I support limits on abortion.

flan

But the party as a whole does not. The Democratic PARTY has taken a firm stance that there be no limits on abortion.

WYSIWYG · Guru

I am also pro-choice & I am fine with the 72 hour waiting period. It is not a decision to be made lightly. Time to mull over your options is a good thing.
- Lexxy

___________________________

I'm a pro-choice person (who hopes the choice is to not abort), and I'm curious: Is it impossible for a pregnant woman to take time to make a decision without going to a Doctor first? To me, that's what a legal requirement of an extra doctor visit and 72 hour wait implies; that women are incapable of making a decision without a Doctor telling them something that they already know.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

WYSIWYG wrote:
I am also pro-choice & I am fine with the 72 hour waiting period. It is not a decision to be made lightly. Time to mull over your options is a good thing.
- Lexxy

___________________________

I'm a pro-choice person (who hopes the choice is to not abort), and I'm curious: Is it impossible for a pregnant woman to take time to make a decision without going to a Doctor first? To me, that's what a legal requirement of an extra doctor visit and 72 hour wait implies; that women are incapable of making a decision without a Doctor telling them something that they already know.

I believe it's 72 hours after you are officially told. A home test doesn't count as those can be wrong. They have tons of clinics now a days that do free testing that don't offer health care. Even some of the smaller Planned Parenthood's don't do abortions. I used to live in a really small town and I used them to get my annual visit done one time when I didn't have insurance. Basically that was the only service they offered besides handing out free condoms. But they did do a lot of referrals. So they would do a pregnancy test and exam and condoms. You had to go to a bigger clinic to get more services. If you wanted an abortion or something they would refer you to a clinic downtown.