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Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

RE: Law of the Land has changed.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
We seem to be breaking up more and more into a nation of factions and tribes. Those who support this or that over here. Those in this group, over here. In the name of "tolerance", nobody is actually tolerant at all.

But traditionally, societies have always been divided. It's human nature, to some extent.

And I will never be tolerant of certain things.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
We seem to be breaking up more and more into a nation of factions and tribes. Those who support this or that over here. Those in this group, over here. In the name of "tolerance", nobody is actually tolerant at all.
But traditionally, societies have always been divided. It's human nature, to some extent.
And I will never be tolerant of certain things.
flan

That's true but there seemed to be shared common values. Now, not so much. But, I suspect it is like anything. Nobody likes change. It is uncomfortable. In reality it won't be as bad as some think, nor will it be as good as some hope it will be either. It isn't going to solve all of their life problems either. Nothing is ever as good or bad as you think it will be.

My problem is that people are not allowed to hold deeply held religious beliefs about this and be allowed to have their opinion.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
We seem to be breaking up more and more into a nation of factions and tribes. Those who support this or that over here. Those in this group, over here. In the name of "tolerance", nobody is actually tolerant at all.
But traditionally, societies have always been divided. It's human nature, to some extent.
And I will never be tolerant of certain things.
flan
That's true but there seemed to be shared common values. Now, not so much. But, I suspect it is like anything. Nobody likes change. It is uncomfortable. In reality it won't be as bad as some think, nor will it be as good as some hope it will be either. It isn't going to solve all of their life problems either. Nothing is ever as good or bad as you think it will be.
My problem is that people are not allowed to hold deeply held religious beliefs about this and be allowed to have their opinion.

And what different people "will never be tolerant of" are different.

FNW · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Obama promised to FUNDAMENTALLY transform America and that is exactly what he is doing. Is it for the better? Time will tell.

So far, all he's done was divide and conquer, IMO.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
We seem to be breaking up more and more into a nation of factions and tribes. Those who support this or that over here. Those in this group, over here. In the name of "tolerance", nobody is actually tolerant at all.
But traditionally, societies have always been divided. It's human nature, to some extent.
And I will never be tolerant of certain things.
flan
That's true but there seemed to be shared common values. Now, not so much. But, I suspect it is like anything. Nobody likes change. It is uncomfortable. In reality it won't be as bad as some think, nor will it be as good as some hope it will be either. It isn't going to solve all of their life problems either. Nothing is ever as good or bad as you think it will be.
My problem is that people are not allowed to hold deeply held religious beliefs about this and be allowed to have their opinion.
And what different people "will never be tolerant of" are different.

Well, that's obvious.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
We seem to be breaking up more and more into a nation of factions and tribes. Those who support this or that over here. Those in this group, over here. In the name of "tolerance", nobody is actually tolerant at all.
But traditionally, societies have always been divided. It's human nature, to some extent.
And I will never be tolerant of certain things.
flan
That's true but there seemed to be shared common values. Now, not so much. But, I suspect it is like anything. Nobody likes change. It is uncomfortable. In reality it won't be as bad as some think, nor will it be as good as some hope it will be either. It isn't going to solve all of their life problems either. Nothing is ever as good or bad as you think it will be.
My problem is that people are not allowed to hold deeply held religious beliefs about this and be allowed to have their opinion.

I like this!

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I think more people should mind their own house and business and let their neighbors live their own lives. If it isn't your circus, then those are not your monkeys as VOR always said. However, society doesn't exist in a vacuum and morals and values do spill over. But, the Amish and the Jewish community and other communities have shown that you can live out your values and life even if the general culture isn't on board with everything you think. The Jewish community has survived having Santa Claus and all things Christmas. However , they have not been going about trying to eliminate the celebration of Christmas unlike the gay community which seeks to destroy any opposition. Big difference.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I think more people should mind their own house and business and let their neighbors live their own lives. If it isn't your circus, then those are not your monkeys as VOR always said. However, society doesn't exist in a vacuum and morals and values do spill over. But, the Amish and the Jewish community and other communities have shown that you can live out your values and life even if the general culture isn't on board with everything you think. The Jewish community has survived having Santa Claus and all things Christmas. However , they have not been going about trying to eliminate the celebration of Christmas unlike the gay community which seeks to destroy any opposition. Big difference.

Again, you are painting ALL members of a group with the same brush.

I would guess that most homosexuals want what heterosexuals want: a chance to live their lives peacefully, with the ones they love.

flan

Tangerine · Guru

I didn't read this whole thread. I couldn't.

All I'm going to say about this is that I am looking forward to attending some weddings- one that's more than twenty years in the making.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Tangerine wrote:
I didn't read this whole thread. I couldn't.

All I'm going to say about this is that I am looking forward to attending some weddings- one that's more than twenty years in the making.

THAT will be a beautiful day, I'm sure!

flan

Blankie · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Tangerine wrote:
I didn't read this whole thread. I couldn't.

All I'm going to say about this is that I am looking forward to attending some weddings- one that's more than twenty years in the making.
THAT will be a beautiful day, I'm sure!
flan

Yes, that will be a happy day. I can't imagine having to wait 20 years to marry DH. How unjust.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Blankie wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Tangerine wrote:
I didn't read this whole thread. I couldn't.

All I'm going to say about this is that I am looking forward to attending some weddings- one that's more than twenty years in the making.
THAT will be a beautiful day, I'm sure!
flan
Yes, that will be a happy day. I can't imagine having to wait 20 years to marry DH. How unjust.

I can't imagine either, Blankie.

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

From Nashville Pride this weekend. These guys sure don't subscribe to the comparison of the Civil Rights Movement to the Gay Movement...

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Is that a Confederate flag in the distance?

Ohfour · Hooker

No...that's our state flag...

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Acts 5:29

Then Peter and the [other] apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

Note 7 at Ac 5:29: This is a tremendous lesson on submission. Peter was the one whom the Lord inspired to write, "Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake" (1Pe 2:13), yet we see him not obeying those in authority over him. What's the deal? Were Peter's actions wrong?

The key to understanding this is to properly understand that submission and obedience are not the same thing. "Obey" means "to carry out the command of," while "submit" means "to yield or surrender (oneself) to the will or authority of another." People can be submitted to others without obeying them, just as much as they can obey others without submitting to them.

In the military, subordinate officers do not have the authority to issue commands on their own that contradict the commanding officers. They can disobey orders from officers who are above them if they are certain that their commands are in direct opposition to their superiors. However, the attitude in which they refuse to obey officers' unlawful commands can get them in trouble if it is rebellious, even if their actions are right.

Likewise, God never wants us to obey any law or rule of man that would contradict His laws, but He does not want us to be rebellious about it. We should act as these apostles acted. They didn't obey the rulers' command, because it contradicted God's command, but they submitted to their authority. They were beaten as punishment (Ac 5:40), yet they didn't plot a revolt or criticize the rulers who beat them. They had a submissive attitude, even though they obeyed the higher law of God (see note 3 at Ac 4:19).

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Yes, quote the Bible...

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Yes, quote the Bible...

flan

Why wouldn't I? It's THE most important book ever written. And the guide for the Christian life.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Yes, quote the Bible...

flan
Why wouldn't I? It's THE most important book ever written. And the guide for the Christian life.

In your opinion. There are many other "holy" books.

flan

burns07 · Guru

There are many other "holy" books.
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a few only--and you can count them on one hand--none of the come even remotely close to the bible's record world-wide for publication / distribution

chillepeppa · Regular

burns07 wrote:

There are many other "holy" books.
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a few only--and you can count them on one hand--none of the come even remotely close to the bible's record world-wide for publication / distribution

This is Argumentum ad populum, and the same argument for "awesomeness" can be used for the Biebster and the Kardashians... Aaaand, acording to this forum, Obama managed to make it into the white house, so majority rules does not make majority right all the time.

All holy books are equally sacred to those who determine them to be so.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

chillepeppa wrote:
burns07 wrote:

There are many other "holy" books.
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a few only--and you can count them on one hand--none of the come even remotely close to the bible's record world-wide for publication / distribution
This is Argumentum ad populum, and the same argument for "awesomeness" can be used for the Biebster and the Kardashians... Aaaand, acording to this forum, Obama managed to make it into the white house, so majority rules does not make majority right all the time.
All holy books are equally sacred to those who determine them to be so.

Exactly!

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

It doesn't matter. It's MY post, and therefore I reference MY holy book.

burns07 · Guru

This is Argumentum ad populum, and the same argument for "awesomeness" can be used for the Biebster and the Kardashians...
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LOL--a more apropos phrase for this ridiculous comparison would be contra bonos mores

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

And at least I have a solid basis for morality that doesn't change and shift with the whims of society. That's not morality - that's peer pressure.

FNW · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
And at least I have a solid basis for morality that doesn't change and shift with the whims of society. That's not morality - that's peer pressure.

Yep.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

My moral compass has nothing to do with "peer pressure."

flan

burns07 · Guru

My moral compass has nothing to do with "peer pressure."
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based on many of your posts, am actually surprised you claim to have one--au contraire, would say conclusively your's definitely swings with peer pressure and the cause du jour

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

burns07 wrote:

My moral compass has nothing to do with "peer pressure."
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based on many of your posts, am actually surprised you claim to have one--au contraire, would say conclusively your's definitely swings with peer pressure and the cause du jour

More babblings, which sums up the majority of your posts.

Is using two French terms supposed to impress me?

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

Some people have no moral compass but like to pretend they do.

chillepeppa · Regular

burns07 wrote:

This is Argumentum ad populum, and the same argument for "awesomeness" can be used for the Biebster and the Kardashians...
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LOL--a more apropos phrase for this ridiculous comparison would be contra bonos mores

Hence the "" when I said awesomeness. To me, they are all equally ridiculous, so I guess it would depend on your reference frame.

My stance on popularity not making something right or worthy still stand though.

huskerbb · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Yes, quote the Bible...

flan
Why wouldn't I? It's THE most important book ever written. And the guide for the Christian life.
In your opinion. There are many other "holy" books.
flan

Quote any of them you want. I challenge you to find one that supports gay marriage.

huskerbb · Guru

chillepeppa wrote:
burns07 wrote:

This is Argumentum ad populum, and the same argument for "awesomeness" can be used for the Biebster and the Kardashians...
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LOL--a more apropos phrase for this ridiculous comparison would be contra bonos mores
Hence the "" when I said awesomeness. To me, they are all equally ridiculous, so I guess it would depend on your reference frame.
My stance on popularity not making something right or worthy still stand though.

LOL!!! That is patently absurd. Of course gay marriage is now considered "right" because of popularity. Not so many years ago, homosexuality was considered a disease--and the ONLY difference between it and pedophilia is age--and that's a human construct since acceptable age has varied over time and between cultures.

burns07 · Guru

Is using two French terms supposed to impress me?
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LOL--would really have to think hard to come up with something more inconsequential to me than your opinion

chillepeppa · Regular

huskerbb wrote:
chillepeppa wrote:
burns07 wrote:

This is Argumentum ad populum, and the same argument for "awesomeness" can be used for the Biebster and the Kardashians...
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________

LOL--a more apropos phrase for this ridiculous comparison would be contra bonos mores
Hence the "" when I said awesomeness. To me, they are all equally ridiculous, so I guess it would depend on your reference frame.
My stance on popularity not making something right or worthy still stand though.
LOL!!! That is patently absurd. Of course gay marriage is now considered "right" because of popularity. Not so many years ago, homosexuality was considered a disease--and the ONLY difference between it and pedophilia is age--and that's a human construct since acceptable age has varied over time and between cultures.

According to the polygamy thread if this had been put to a vote, it would not have passed, so no, it is not right due to popularity at all.

FNW · Guru

What I don't understand are all these rainbows popping up on FB by straight people, and all these straight people bragging about attending the gay pride parade parties. WTF? Do they have a stake in this? I can understand a parent of a gay child being happy for their child, or being happy for a close friend or relative but c'mon, it seems like people are just jumping on the bandwagon because it's the "in" thing to do...

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Peer pressure vs. moral compass...

One is external, the other internal.

Peer pressure should never influence you to do more than put the extreme hot sauce on your taco or wear the crazy hat at the restaurant on your birthday.

A true north moral compass will guide you in making real life decisions. And it will not let you sleep when you have gone against it.

The fact that some don't know the difference says a lot about them. Shows they have ignored their moral compass far too long.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

FNW wrote:
What I don't understand are all these rainbows popping up on FB by straight people, and all these straight people bragging about attending the gay pride parade parties. WTF? Do they have a stake in this? I can understand a parent of a gay child being happy for their child, or being happy for a close friend or relative but c'mon, it seems like people are just jumping on the bandwagon because it's the "in" thing to do...

Yes. They are EVERYWHERE. And anytime EVERYONE does something on FB it's annoying. Whenever there is a cause that EVERYONE changes their pic for it's stupid.

burns07 · Guru

According to the polygamy thread if this had been put to a vote, it would not have passed, so no, it is not right due to popularity at all.
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exactly--the homosexuals were ( and ARE ) terrified of this issue ever reaching a ballot / national referendum--which is precisely what's going to happen--where it would have been / will be overwhelmingly defeated / repealed

SCOTUS exceeded their authority and the dissent rather eloquently confirms it--judicial activism ( regardless of the issue at hand ) is dangerous to the republic

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

I have been deleting a lot of posts on FB.

Don't care. Just delete.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

just Czech wrote:
I have been deleting a lot of posts on FB.

Don't care. Just delete.

I have too.

FNW · Guru

Me three.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I haven't had to delete anything on FB. Yet.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

I talked to a friend from another country last night. He said everyone is watching the US right now. He had some interesting things to say.

FNW · Guru

Anything you can share, NJN?

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

I don't mind sharing. I will say he lives in Egypt. He's a very good doctor there. He's quite smart and very interesting. I don't always agree with him but he does make you think about things. He said he wonders why such a small part of our population has taken hold of the majority of population and is holding them hostage. He said he doesn't understand why the government is allowing some people to strangle the voices of others. And, even though homosexuality is illegal in his country, he says he has no problem with it if people keep it in the bedroom. He said their country laughs at Obama and the mockery he is making of our country.

FNW · Guru

Thanks, NJN. You confirmed my suspicions.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

You're welcome. I honestly do like this man. I enjoy talking to him. He is smart and challenges you to think. He does believe in the Quaran. But even as different as we are he is still respectful.

FNW · Guru

My mother has a Muslim family living next door. I cannot remember which country they were from. The sons have been told to reach out to my father if they need help. For instance, their mother was unable to get home in time to meet the bus, so the boys went to my parents' house to wait, and to use the bathroom. But they had to communicate with my father, not my mother. She answered the door, but they did not look up at her, so she understood and called my dad over and only then they would come in. Then they waited on the front step. My mom brought them cookies and milk to eat, and they were very polite and happy, but again, no eye contact.

They have told my parents that their boys have been unable to make friends at school because of what is going on in the world. That is very sad to me. Of course, my mother & I do wonder if they are a sleeper cell. And that, too, is sad, but it is the times.

I remember when the whole Clinton/Lewinsky debacle was taking place. I was dating a guy who had lived in Turkey for 2 years. The Turks thought it was ridiculous we were making a big deal out if, as their politicians were expected to have mistresses. Different culture, different view.