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Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Hours After Gay Marriage Ruling, Politico Op-Ed Calls for Legalized Polygamy

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Pedophilia will be up soon.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

lilyofcourse wrote:
Pedophilia will be up soon.

They're working on it. First they have to have the psychiatric society recognize that it is not a "disease" but that they are born wired wrong. Most psych doctor are agreeing with this.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Pedophilia will be up soon.
They're working on it. First they have to have the psychiatric society recognize that it is not a "disease" but that they are born wired wrong. Most psych doctor are agreeing with this.

Of course they were born wired wrong. That doesn't make it ok.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Pedophilia will be up soon.
They're working on it. First they have to have the psychiatric society recognize that it is not a "disease" but that they are born wired wrong. Most psych doctor are agreeing with this.
Of course they were born wired wrong. That doesn't make it ok.

Yes but the point is, it takes getting the DSMV or whatever that book of diagnoses the psych doctors use to accept the diagnosis. It used to list homosexuality as abnormal. Now it doesn't. Once it's listed as just the way you were born you can't be denied your rights since that's the way you were born. Once pedophiles get listed as being normal in the sense that that's just how they were born they too can start fighting for their rights.

ed11563 · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Pedophilia will be up soon.
They're working on it. First they have to have the psychiatric society recognize that it is not a "disease" but that they are born wired wrong. Most psych doctor are agreeing with this.
Of course they were born wired wrong. That doesn't make it ok.
Yes but the point is, it takes getting the DSMV or whatever that book of diagnoses the psych doctors use to accept the diagnosis. It used to list homosexuality as abnormal. Now it doesn't. Once it's listed as just the way you were born you can't be denied your rights since that's the way you were born. Once pedophiles get listed as being normal in the sense that that's just how they were born they too can start fighting for their rights.

Pedophilia by definition involves someone who is too young to legally consent. No one rational has proposed dropping that when considering the "rights" of adults to have sex with children.

Call it a disease or call it wired wrong, that doesn't change the inability of children to consent.

FNW · Guru

Ah, yes, the floodgates have opened.

ed11563 · Guru

I don't care about polygamy, as long as

(1) everyone involved is a consenting ADULT, and

(2) they are self-supporting (not on Welfare).

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

FNW wrote:
Ah, yes, the floodgates have opened.

Yep. Fifty years ago people would say there is no way in hell we'd have gay marriage. It would never be approved. We said no way. And it came to pass. Now the polygamists are working to get their marriages passed. And others are saying oh, none of this stuff will happen. Yes, I've heard that before. It DOES happen. I'm not doom and gloom. I don't think the sky is falling. But the more allow the more we have to allow.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Give an inch, takes a mile.

chillepeppa · Regular

You forgot to mention beastiality...

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

One state in this great country, I believe but am not one hundred percent sure it's Arkansas, allows marriage at13 with parental consent. Yes, 13. There is no way a 13 year old knows what's best for them at that age as far as marriage is concerned. Yet we have no problem with it as long as the parents agree. We are seeing the age of consent drop.

Nope, minors could never enter into marriage...

It's NH! The lucky state is NH. But they have to have "special causes". Otherwise it's 14 with parental consent. The majority of the states are 16. I think the internet will vastly change our laws in the near future.

-- Edited by Nobody Just Nobody on Monday 29th of June 2015 02:11:50 AM

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

I think polygamy will become legal in my lifetime. I have no doubt about that. I think other marital laws will change after I die.

cadiver · Senior Member

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
One state in this great country, I believe but am not one hundred percent sure it's Arkansas, allows marriage at13 with parental consent. Yes, 13. There is no way a 13 year old knows what's best for them at that age as far as marriage is concerned. Yet we have no problem with it as long as the parents agree. We are seeing the age of consent drop.

Nope, minors could never enter into marriage...
It's NH! The lucky state is NH. But they have to have "special causes". Otherwise it's 14 with parental consent. The majority of the states are 16. I think the internet will vastly change our laws in the near future.

-- Edited by Nobody Just Nobody on Monday 29th of June 2015 02:11:50 AM

I would guess that guy the laws about marrying children were long on the books before guy marriage, so the slippery slope was marriage. If you check other statea and belive wiki mass is 12, some states no limit with parental and judicial consent. Some in case of pregnancy low marriage, so I guess rather than prosecution and can get marrierd.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

chillepeppa wrote:
You forgot to mention beastiality...

And I always think it's funny when people bring this up. Like this is not going on. Just because people don't want to think it goes on doesn't mean it doesn't. I got curious about this one day because of all these arguments and got on the internet. Dangerous. There are all kinds of underground groups that practice this. There are places that train and sell animals for this. Places you can go to practice it and places you can go to watch animal porn. I was pretty surprised. The difference between these people and others is that they don't want to be in the mainstream.

chillepeppa · Regular

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
chillepeppa wrote:
You forgot to mention beastiality...
And I always think it's funny when people bring this up. Like this is not going on. Just because people don't want to think it goes on doesn't mean it doesn't. I got curious about this one day because of all these arguments and got on the internet. Dangerous. There are all kinds of underground groups that practice this. There are places that train and sell animals for this. Places you can go to practice it and places you can go to watch animal porn. I was pretty surprised. The difference between these people and others is that they don't want to be in the mainstream.

I don't doubt that it does happen. Just as I don't doubt some adults do have sex with kids.

I just brought it up because when some dude wants to marry another dude, it's inevitable that the sky is falling and then it suddenly escalates to then everyone wanting to marry their sisters and sons and dogs...

And as ed said, as long as all those involved are consenting adults, I see no issue with polygamy. Pedophilia and bestiality, completely different all together.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

And quite honestly, I'm fine with being made fun of. You can mock me. Point fingers. Tell me how crazy I am. Call me names. I'm okay with that. Because if you go back in time to let's say 1890 and ask people if one day black people will have all the same rights as white people, what will they say? No way in hell! Let's move forward and talk about oh say 1950's. Ask people if gay people would ever have the right to marry? They'd say Hell no!! All those people would call you crazy. And mock you. But eventually all those things came to pass. So now we sit here saying OMG those things are NOTHING like this and they'll NEVER be okay. So you say.

chillepeppa · Regular

Huh??

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I really don't have a problem with polygamy. I think having more wives around would be awesome. One husband is all anyone really needs anyway, lol.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

chillepeppa wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
chillepeppa wrote:
You forgot to mention beastiality...
And I always think it's funny when people bring this up. Like this is not going on. Just because people don't want to think it goes on doesn't mean it doesn't. I got curious about this one day because of all these arguments and got on the internet. Dangerous. There are all kinds of underground groups that practice this. There are places that train and sell animals for this. Places you can go to practice it and places you can go to watch animal porn. I was pretty surprised. The difference between these people and others is that they don't want to be in the mainstream.
I don't doubt that it does happen. Just as I don't doubt some adults do have sex with kids.
I just brought it up because when some dude wants to marry another dude, it's inevitable that the sky is falling and then it suddenly escalates to then everyone wanting to marry their sisters and sons and dogs...
And as ed said, as long as all those involved are consenting adults, I see no issue with polygamy. Pedophilia and bestiality, completely different all together.

Such a predictable thread...

And I you chille.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

chillepeppa wrote:
Huh??

Beats me...I guess segregation was actually a GOOD thing...

flan

FNW · Guru

The way people "love" their animals so much I don't doubt they'll try to marry them one day, too. And be permitted to. They are already trying to bequeath their worldly goods to them.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

FNW wrote:
The way people "love" their animals so much I don't doubt they'll try to marry them one day, too. And be permitted to. They are already trying to bequeath their worldly goods to them.

An animal is NOT a consenting adult.

flan

JPT · Senior Member

Funny, when they don't have a leg to stand on, the arguments get more wobbly

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

The argument against same-sex marriage has never changed or wavered. It is a sin. That doesn't change nor is that wobbly.

What is truly sad is that for the first time, our nations laws go directly against God's. That creates a problem and makes society weaker.

Christians now have to face choosing between God's law and man's. And God's must prevail.

JPT · Senior Member

It is an OPINION that it is a sin. The Baptists believe drinking and dancing are a sin. The Catholics believe that Birth Control is a sin.
This is why we are ruled by CIVIL law, not religious.

Tinydancer · Guru

Except I am ruled by God's law. When they don't match I go with his word on what is right and what is wrong.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

JPT wrote:
It is an OPINION that it is a sin. The Baptists believe drinking and dancing are a sin. The Catholics believe that Birth Control is a sin.
This is why we are ruled by CIVIL law, not religious.

No, it's really not. SIN is a religious word. And drinking to excess is a sin - not all drinking is a sin. Dancing is only a sin to the extent it leads to sexual immorality. Neither are forbidden by the Baptist Church, they are just forbidden IN the physical churches. The birth control issue is debated between the Catholics and the protestants because of ambiguity in the Bible. There is NO ambiguity in the Bible over homosexuality. NONE. Only people who have no real knowledge of the Bible would make such ridiculous assertions.

And all the world's laws are based on religious moral principles. Ignore that and you ignore history.

JPT · Senior Member

No, you choose to base your life on a book that many in the world don't acknowledge.

I guess if enough people vote that the Quran should be the moral guide, would that fly with you?

chillepeppa · Regular

Lawyerlady wrote:
The argument against same-sex marriage has never changed or wavered. It is a sin. That doesn't change nor is that wobbly.

What is truly sad is that for the first time, our nations laws go directly against God's. That creates a problem and makes society weaker.

Christians now have to face choosing between God's law and man's. And God's must prevail.

That is fine and dandy... for you. You get to make these decisions for you and your family, but that is where it stops.

You cannot prevent your neighbour from not adhering to your God's laws, because they also have religious freedom. You can witness to them, but that is about it.

Can you clarify the bolded for me?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

chillepeppa wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
The argument against same-sex marriage has never changed or wavered. It is a sin. That doesn't change nor is that wobbly.

What is truly sad is that for the first time, our nations laws go directly against God's. That creates a problem and makes society weaker.

Christians now have to face choosing between God's law and man's. And God's must prevail.
That is fine and dandy... for you. You get to make these decisions for you and your family, but that is where it stops.
You cannot prevent your neighbour from not adhering to your God's laws, because they also have religious freedom. You can witness to them, but that is about it.
Can you clarify the bolded for me?

Certainly. As more and more sexual immorality has become accepted, society has gotten worse. We have single mothers who have to support their children on their own and more and more families without fathers. Children need both a mother and a father - as that changes, so too does society, and not for the better. We have more welfare and more crime.

And as society continues to accept new immoralities as normal, acceptable, and even good, that will get worse.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

JPT wrote:
No, you choose to base your life on a book that many in the world don't acknowledge.

I guess if enough people vote that the Quran should be the moral guide, would that fly with you?

Interestingly enough, just about all religions consider homosexuality a sin.

JPT · Senior Member

Well, considering that the majority now accept same sex marriage, just about all religions are in the minority opinion

FNW · Guru

If the majority accepts same sex marriage, why didn't they put it to a vote? Oh wait, they did, and it lost.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

FNW wrote:
If the majority accepts same sex marriage, why didn't they put it to a vote? Oh wait, they did, and it lost.

Yep.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Texas isn't acknowledging the law. I read an article on it last night. Well, half of it. SS was talking to me while I was reading so I couldn't really focus. They're not handing out marriage licenses from what I understand.

FNW · Guru

Texas attorney general says county clerks can refuse gay couples

County clerks in Texas who object to gay marriage can refuse to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples despite last week's landmark U.S. Supreme Court ruling requiring states to allow same-sex marriage, Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton said on Sunday.

The nation's top court said on Friday that the U.S. Constitution provides same-sex couples the right to wed, handing a victory to the American gay rights movement.

Paxton said in a statement that hundreds of public officials in Texas were seeking guidance on how to implement what he called a lawless and flawed decision by an "activist" court.

The state's attorney general said that while the Supreme Court justices had "fabricated" a new constitutional right, they did not diminish, overrule, or call into question the First Amendment rights to free exercise of religion.

"County clerks and their employees retain religious freedoms that may allow accommodation of their religious objections to issuing same-sex marriage licenses," Paxton wrote, adding that the strength of any such claim would depend on the facts of each case.

"Justices of the peace and judges similarly retain religious freedoms and may claim that the government cannot force them to conduct same-sex wedding ceremonies over their religious objections," Paxton wrote.

He noted that officials who refuse to issue marriage licenses to gay couples could expect to be sued, but he said they would have ample legal support.

"Numerous lawyers stand ready to assist clerks defending their religious beliefs, in many cases on a pro-bono basis, and I will do everything I can from this office to be a public voice for those standing in defense of their rights," Paxton wrote.

Last week's 5-4 ruling by the Supreme Court was the culmination of a long legal fight by gay rights advocates. It unleashed a torrent of emotions, both for and against the decision.

The ruling was the high court's most important expansion of marriage rights in the United States since its landmark 1967 ruling in the case Loving v. Virginia, which struck down state laws barring interracial marriages.

(Reporting by Daniel Wallis; Editing by Toni Reinhold)

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

JPT wrote:
It is an OPINION that it is a sin. The Baptists believe drinking and dancing are a sin. The Catholics believe that Birth Control is a sin.
This is why we are ruled by CIVIL law, not religious.

Dancing, drinking, birth control. All of those are personal convictions.

Having sex is actually in the Bible listed as a sin. One that is labeled an abomination and says that the man who lays with a man as he would a woman, has his own blood on his head.

I have never seen a Bible verse about birth control directly, and Jesus turned water into wine for a wedding and David danced for God till his clothes fell off.

So if we want to get technical. Homosexual behavior is pointedly called out as sin.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

JPT wrote:
No, you choose to base your life on a book that many in the world don't acknowledge.

I guess if enough people vote that the Quran should be the moral guide, would that fly with you?

No. It wouldn't fly with me. It's a false religion.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Here's the thing. I was talking about this the other day.

We are about to the point where we are going to have to decide if we are willing to die for our beliefs.

And don't forget, it is happening in the world right now. To think that just because of where we live is some kind of fish bowl where it will never happen is just plain stupid.

chillepeppa · Regular

Lawyerlady wrote:
chillepeppa wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
The argument against same-sex marriage has never changed or wavered. It is a sin. That doesn't change nor is that wobbly.

What is truly sad is that for the first time, our nations laws go directly against God's. That creates a problem and makes society weaker.

Christians now have to face choosing between God's law and man's. And God's must prevail.
That is fine and dandy... for you. You get to make these decisions for you and your family, but that is where it stops.
You cannot prevent your neighbour from not adhering to your God's laws, because they also have religious freedom. You can witness to them, but that is about it.
Can you clarify the bolded for me?
Certainly. As more and more sexual immorality has become accepted, society has gotten worse. We have single mothers who have to support their children on their own and more and more families without fathers. Children need both a mother and a father - as that changes, so too does society, and not for the better. We have more welfare and more crime.
And as society continues to accept new immoralities as normal, acceptable, and even good, that will get worse.

As long as war is a societal norm, so are single mothers.

But sexual immorality (I assume this would be promiscuity, prostitution and homosexuality) are not new to society by any means. Open acknowledgement of it, yes, maybe that is new, but these things have been happening since we figured out how to do them.

But this now brings me to another question. If you base your idea of a strong community/society on its morality, and you base your idea of proper morality on your religion, where does that leave freedom of religion for everyone else in society?

JPT · Senior Member

lilyofcourse wrote:
JPT wrote:
No, you choose to base your life on a book that many in the world don't acknowledge.

I guess if enough people vote that the Quran should be the moral guide, would that fly with you?
No. It wouldn't fly with me. It's a false religion.

And there are many who believe YOUR religion is false. Every single argument you put forward is reputed by the simple fact that you are free to worship as you believe, but you are NOT free to use that worship to discriminate against others.

JPT · Senior Member

chillepeppa wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
chillepeppa wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
The argument against same-sex marriage has never changed or wavered. It is a sin. That doesn't change nor is that wobbly.

What is truly sad is that for the first time, our nations laws go directly against God's. That creates a problem and makes society weaker.

Christians now have to face choosing between God's law and man's. And God's must prevail.
That is fine and dandy... for you. You get to make these decisions for you and your family, but that is where it stops.
You cannot prevent your neighbour from not adhering to your God's laws, because they also have religious freedom. You can witness to them, but that is about it.
Can you clarify the bolded for me?
Certainly. As more and more sexual immorality has become accepted, society has gotten worse. We have single mothers who have to support their children on their own and more and more families without fathers. Children need both a mother and a father - as that changes, so too does society, and not for the better. We have more welfare and more crime.
And as society continues to accept new immoralities as normal, acceptable, and even good, that will get worse.
As long as war is a societal norm, so are single mothers.
But sexual immorality (I assume this would be promiscuity, prostitution and homosexuality) are not new to society by any means. Open acknowledgement of it, yes, maybe that is new, but these things have been happening since we figured out how to do them.
But this now brings me to another question. If you base your idea of a strong community/society on its morality, and you base your idea of proper morality on your religion, where does that leave freedom of religion for everyone else in society?

That's only for the Christians, you know, because they are RIGHT...the Bible tells them so. evileye

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

chillepeppa wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
chillepeppa wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
The argument against same-sex marriage has never changed or wavered. It is a sin. That doesn't change nor is that wobbly.

What is truly sad is that for the first time, our nations laws go directly against God's. That creates a problem and makes society weaker.

Christians now have to face choosing between God's law and man's. And God's must prevail.
That is fine and dandy... for you. You get to make these decisions for you and your family, but that is where it stops.
You cannot prevent your neighbour from not adhering to your God's laws, because they also have religious freedom. You can witness to them, but that is about it.
Can you clarify the bolded for me?
Certainly. As more and more sexual immorality has become accepted, society has gotten worse. We have single mothers who have to support their children on their own and more and more families without fathers. Children need both a mother and a father - as that changes, so too does society, and not for the better. We have more welfare and more crime.
And as society continues to accept new immoralities as normal, acceptable, and even good, that will get worse.
As long as war is a societal norm, so are single mothers.
But sexual immorality (I assume this would be promiscuity, prostitution and homosexuality) are not new to society by any means. Open acknowledgement of it, yes, maybe that is new, but these things have been happening since we figured out how to do them.
But this now brings me to another question. If you base your idea of a strong community/society on its morality, and you base your idea of proper morality on your religion, where does that leave freedom of religion for everyone else in society?

The government doesn't belong in people's private religious beliefs. We have general laws that are based upon morality as defined by religions throughout the ages - many of those meld together. Thou shalt not kill, steal, bear false witness - all mesh with religion. The law doesn't say anything about eating meat on Friday, or praying everyday at 4:00 except that people must be given reasonable accomodation to practice those freedoms. I do not think the law should interfere in ANY religious beliefs beyond making sure those beliefs don't hurt others - ie - no human sacrifices or killing other people.

And before this - there was no LAW that directly contradicted a basic belief of every major religion. The problem here is that the law is now condoning and enabling what clearly goes against people's religious beliefs.

And in THIS country, religious freedom is a fundamental right. So, now you have rights against rights.

And quite frankly, the "slippery slope" that people spoke of has happened right on this board. First - it was that nobody would make Christians participate in same-sex weddings, and then they were sued over refusing to participate. Then it changed to it is discrimination not to participate regardless of beliefs - a business person should leave their religious convictions at home. Religious convictions can't be "left at home". People DIE for their religious beliefs. And it seems very clear that people without religious beliefs have no interest in respecting them.

FNW · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:

The government doesn't belong in people's private religious beliefs. We have general laws that are based upon morality as defined by religions throughout the ages - many of those meld together. Thou shalt not kill, steal, bear false witness - all mesh with religion. The law doesn't say anything about eating meat on Friday, or praying everyday at 4:00 except that people must be given reasonable accomodation to practice those freedoms. I do not think the law should interfere in ANY religious beliefs beyond making sure those beliefs don't hurt others - ie - no human sacrifices or killing other people.
And before this - there was no LAW that directly contradicted a basic belief of every major religion. The problem here is that the law is now condoning and enabling what clearly goes against people's religious beliefs.
And in THIS country, religious freedom is a fundamental right. So, now you have rights against rights.
And quite frankly, the "slippery slope" that people spoke of has happened right on this board. First - it was that nobody would make Christians participate in same-sex weddings, and then they were sued over refusing to participate. Then it changed to it is discrimination not to participate regardless of beliefs - a business person should leave their religious convictions at home. Religious convictions can't be "left at home". People DIE for their religious beliefs. And it seems very clear that people without religious beliefs have no interest in respecting them.

Yes, that is becoming more obvious with this thread.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

FNW wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:

The government doesn't belong in people's private religious beliefs. We have general laws that are based upon morality as defined by religions throughout the ages - many of those meld together. Thou shalt not kill, steal, bear false witness - all mesh with religion. The law doesn't say anything about eating meat on Friday, or praying everyday at 4:00 except that people must be given reasonable accomodation to practice those freedoms. I do not think the law should interfere in ANY religious beliefs beyond making sure those beliefs don't hurt others - ie - no human sacrifices or killing other people.
And before this - there was no LAW that directly contradicted a basic belief of every major religion. The problem here is that the law is now condoning and enabling what clearly goes against people's religious beliefs.
And in THIS country, religious freedom is a fundamental right. So, now you have rights against rights.
And quite frankly, the "slippery slope" that people spoke of has happened right on this board. First - it was that nobody would make Christians participate in same-sex weddings, and then they were sued over refusing to participate. Then it changed to it is discrimination not to participate regardless of beliefs - a business person should leave their religious convictions at home. Religious convictions can't be "left at home". People DIE for their religious beliefs. And it seems very clear that people without religious beliefs have no interest in respecting them.
Yes, that is becoming more obvious with this thread.

Because ONE religion does NOT equal the law.

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

JPT wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
JPT wrote:
No, you choose to base your life on a book that many in the world don't acknowledge.

I guess if enough people vote that the Quran should be the moral guide, would that fly with you?
No. It wouldn't fly with me. It's a false religion.

And there are many who believe YOUR religion is false. Every single argument you put forward is reputed by the simple fact that you are free to worship as you believe, but you are NOT free to use that worship to discriminate against others.

That's the lie been believed. That any other belief is going to matter in the end.

It wont.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

What ya'll are missing is, ALL religion is going to become illegal.

The ONLY religion that will be allowed is that which Satan is the benefactor.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
FNW wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:

The government doesn't belong in people's private religious beliefs. We have general laws that are based upon morality as defined by religions throughout the ages - many of those meld together. Thou shalt not kill, steal, bear false witness - all mesh with religion. The law doesn't say anything about eating meat on Friday, or praying everyday at 4:00 except that people must be given reasonable accomodation to practice those freedoms. I do not think the law should interfere in ANY religious beliefs beyond making sure those beliefs don't hurt others - ie - no human sacrifices or killing other people.
And before this - there was no LAW that directly contradicted a basic belief of every major religion. The problem here is that the law is now condoning and enabling what clearly goes against people's religious beliefs.
And in THIS country, religious freedom is a fundamental right. So, now you have rights against rights.
And quite frankly, the "slippery slope" that people spoke of has happened right on this board. First - it was that nobody would make Christians participate in same-sex weddings, and then they were sued over refusing to participate. Then it changed to it is discrimination not to participate regardless of beliefs - a business person should leave their religious convictions at home. Religious convictions can't be "left at home". People DIE for their religious beliefs. And it seems very clear that people without religious beliefs have no interest in respecting them.
Yes, that is becoming more obvious with this thread.
Because ONE religion does NOT equal the law.
flan

But the LAW guarantees religious freedom, which all y'all continually ignore.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Could we have a few more gay-bashing threads?

flan