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As I said before, my company doesn't allow that, so its not an issue....

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And it's not about trusting yourself. Its about perception.

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Men can be friends and nothing more with women, and vice versa. People that don't or won't accept that need to get over themselves.

It's different if a spouse or significant other is putting their friend or friends before you, but just that they have that friend or those friends is nothing to be concerned over.

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And it's not about trusting yourself. Its about perception.


 And the perception is that such policies are ridiculous and sexist.



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And it's not about trusting yourself. Its about perception.


 And the perception is that such policies are ridiculous and sexist.


Meh, whatever.  The turnover here is non existent.  We are paid WELL.  I get 25 days of vacay, 10 sick days, 4 PTO days, all holidays, and the week between Christmas and New Years paid (on top of my vacation days).  I work 8 hours, rarely more.

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And it's not about trusting yourself. Its about perception.


Well, perception is important to a point.  But, sorry, I am not going to live my life trying to worry about everyone else's perception.   People are going to think what they want to think.  And, obviously in business, sometimes you have to manage that a bit.   But, I had 2 business partners, one male and one female.  And, my male business partner and I went to a weekend conference in Orlando.  We flew together and attended the conference.   He is like a much older brother to me and I have known him for years.  Neither DH nor his wife had any issue with it and neither did we.  So, if someone wants to think something, they may.  But, we are good friends and worked together for years until he recently retired. 



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huskerbb wrote:
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And it's not about trusting yourself. Its about perception.


 And the perception is that such policies are ridiculous and sexist.


I have to agree.

I mean, C'MON, if you WERE having an affair, it's doubtful that you would be hanging out in public places...

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I'm from small town USA--gossip center of the universe--and no one here would look twice at people on a business lunch. Better class of people, I suppose.

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I'm from small town USA--gossip center of the universe--and no one here would look twice at people on a business lunch. Better class of people, I suppose.


HA!  Not if they are anything like you...doesn't get much more classless..



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I'm from small town USA--gossip center of the universe--and no one here would look twice at people on a business lunch. Better class of people, I suppose.


HA!  Not if they are anything like you...doesn't get much more classless..


 your neighbors are apparently inveterate gossips who believe the worst about everyone.



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I'm not sure why Ohfour doing what works for her and her DH makes you both want to pretend your way is better. Whatever works for YOU is fine just like what works for HER is fine. Acting like you have more class because you don't care about your reputation is laughable.



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I'm not sure why Ohfour doing what works for her and her DH makes you both want to pretend your way is better. Whatever works for YOU is fine just like what works for HER is fine. Acting like you have more class because you don't care about your reputation is laughable.



-- Edited by Tinydancer on Tuesday 7th of July 2015 10:40:57 AM


 I didn't say I had more class.  I said the people where I live must have.



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Acting like where you live makes you have more class is stupid too...lol

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Ohfour wrote:
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I'm from small town USA--gossip center of the universe--and no one here would look twice at people on a business lunch. Better class of people, I suppose.


HA!  Not if they are anything like you...doesn't get much more classless..


Let's see: husker is hard-working & a devoted husband & father.

"Classless?"

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I'm from small town USA--gossip center of the universe--and no one here would look twice at people on a business lunch. Better class of people, I suppose.


HA!  Not if they are anything like you...doesn't get much more classless..


Let's see: husker is hard-working & a devoted husband & father.

"Classless?"

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And myself and neighbors are also.  Don't see you defending us... 



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I'm from small town USA--gossip center of the universe--and no one here would look twice at people on a business lunch. Better class of people, I suppose.


HA!  Not if they are anything like you...doesn't get much more classless..


Let's see: husker is hard-working & a devoted husband & father.

"Classless?"

flan 


And myself and neighbors are also.  Don't see you defending us... 


 You are the one saying tha you can't even go to lunch with a member of the opposite sex who isn't your husband for fear of ruining your reputation.  

 

Either the people around you are judgmental gossips and you do have to worry about that--or they aren't, in which case you shouldn't have to worry about it and should be able to take a male friend to lunch.



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Acting like where you live makes you have more class is stupid too...lol


 I dont have to worry about what my neighbors will say if I take a female friend to lunch.  apparently not everyone on here can say the same.



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I would say Ohfour works hard at keeping a good reputation whereas you don't really care about yours. That is the difference.

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I would say Ohfour works hard at keeping a good reputation whereas you don't really care about yours. That is the difference.


 I have a great reputation--both in the community I live and the one I work in.  And the one I formerly worked in.

 

but yeah, if someone doesn't like me, I could give a **** less.



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I would say Ohfour works hard at keeping a good reputation whereas you don't really care about yours. That is the difference.


 I have a great reputation--both in the community I live and the one I work in.  And the one I formerly worked in.

 

but yeah, if someone doesn't like me, I could give a **** less.


Consider the source, husker...

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I would say Ohfour works hard at keeping a good reputation whereas you don't really care about yours. That is the difference.


 I have a great reputation--both in the community I live and the one I work in.  And the one I formerly worked in.

 

but yeah, if someone doesn't like me, I could give a **** less.


Consider the source, husker...

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 We know you certainly don't care about your reputation flan I've seen some of the things you admit to so maybe he should consider source when you say stuff. I know some of your secrets (which aren't quite secret) so don't start making things personal again flan.



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No one even dates?


OK...since you like to pick apart...

 

I know of NO married people that would be seen out with someone of the opposite sex that's not a family member... 


 For someone going into politics, you would never make it in the National arena.  As a lobbyist for a military association, I had to have dinners and lunches and breakfasts with members of the opposite sex on a number of occasions.  And gasp, we might have even taken a taxi and used the metro together after our meeting.  

Again, this breeds of sexism.  Because two men wouldn't cause a blink, but a man and a women automatically makes your constituency think sex.  That is a shame on your local.  

 



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I would say Ohfour works hard at keeping a good reputation whereas you don't really care about yours. That is the difference.


 So what about me?  I care about my reputation.  My business reputation was very important to me.  Hell, if my reputation was poor, I would not have been asked to testify in front of congress.  And yet, I have been known to have dinner with men who were not of my family.  I have been known to even travel around the country with men who were not of my family and no one blinked.  

WHY?  Because in this day and age of equality, women can actually do more than sit home and cook and clean.  And that includes sometimes doing jobs that bring us into contact with <gasp> other men.  

And honestly, how is Ofour going to be able to DO her job if she is never allowed to go out amongst her constituency alone?  Is she going to have to call her husband every time there is a meeting with one of the village elders or lawyer or school district superintendent?  How is this going to work?


This has to be one of the most sexist posts on here ever - and that says a lot given Husker is here. 

 



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I would say Ohfour works hard at keeping a good reputation whereas you don't really care about yours. That is the difference.


 So what about me?  I care about my reputation.  My business reputation was very important to me.  Hell, if my reputation was poor, I would not have been asked to testify in front of congress.  And yet, I have been known to have dinner with men who were not of my family.  I have been known to even travel around the country with men who were not of my family and no one blinked.  

WHY?  Because in this day and age of equality, women can actually do more than sit home and cook and clean.  And that includes sometimes doing jobs that bring us into contact with <gasp> other men.  

And honestly, how is Ofour going to be able to DO her job if she is never allowed to go out amongst her constituency alone?  Is she going to have to call her husband every time there is a meeting with one of the village elders or lawyer or school district superintendent?  How is this going to work?


This has to be one of the most sexist posts on here ever - and that says a lot given Husker is here. 

 


I don't have to call my husband for anything.  This is MY decision out of respect for myself and my husband.  If I was invited to dinner or a closed door meeting with another man, I would bring along someone else. 

And this has nothing to do with being a woman.  My husband wouldn't do it either, so you can stop playing the sexist card.

Here at work, we have a policy that there be no closed doors when a man and a woman are meeting.  No one has ever had a problem with that. 



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Why is Ohfour keeping her reputation any kind of problem for you? She's not saying you need to follow what her and her DH have worked out , only that that's how they do it. If you find it sexist don't do it but don't act like what she's doing for herself and her marriage is wrong because YOU don't like it. I don't have this rule in my marriage but if I did it would be no one elses business.

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Why is Ohfour keeping her reputation any kind of problem for you? She's not saying you need to follow what her and her DH have worked out , only that that's how they do it. If you find it sexist don't do it but don't act like what she's doing for herself and her marriage is wrong because YOU don't like it. I don't have this rule in my marriage but if I did it would be no one elses business.


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Why is Ohfour keeping her reputation any kind of problem for you? She's not saying you need to follow what her and her DH have worked out , only that that's how they do it. If you find it sexist don't do it but don't act like what she's doing for herself and her marriage is wrong because YOU don't like it. I don't have this rule in my marriage but if I did it would be no one elses business.


 Because it has NOTHING to do with "reputation".  They can have whatever rules they want if they don't trust themselves or their partner--but call it what it is.



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Why is Ohfour keeping her reputation any kind of problem for you? She's not saying you need to follow what her and her DH have worked out , only that that's how they do it. If you find it sexist don't do it but don't act like what she's doing for herself and her marriage is wrong because YOU don't like it. I don't have this rule in my marriage but if I did it would be no one elses business.


 Because it has NOTHING to do with "reputation".  They can have whatever rules they want if they don't trust themselves or their partner--but call it what it is.



-- Edited by huskerbb on Tuesday 7th of July 2015 03:42:40 PM


We have IMMENSE trust.  Women throw themselves at my husband all the time.  In front of me, so I KNOW they do it when I'm not there. I trust him completely.  And he I.  The people on here that know us know this.  You can make all the assumptions that you want, but I guarantee my marriage is a lot better than yours... 



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Why is Ohfour keeping her reputation any kind of problem for you? She's not saying you need to follow what her and her DH have worked out , only that that's how they do it. If you find it sexist don't do it but don't act like what she's doing for herself and her marriage is wrong because YOU don't like it. I don't have this rule in my marriage but if I did it would be no one elses business.


 Because it has NOTHING to do with "reputation".  They can have whatever rules they want if they don't trust themselves or their partner--but call it what it is.



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 So putting her down and calling her names just makes you feel better?



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Um, no. I can trust my wife to be alone with a male friend.

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Why is Ohfour keeping her reputation any kind of problem for you? She's not saying you need to follow what her and her DH have worked out , only that that's how they do it. If you find it sexist don't do it but don't act like what she's doing for herself and her marriage is wrong because YOU don't like it. I don't have this rule in my marriage but if I did it would be no one elses business.


 Because it has NOTHING to do with "reputation".  They can have whatever rules they want if they don't trust themselves or their partner--but call it what it is.



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 So putting her down and calling her names just makes you feel better?


 What names????  WTF are you blubbering about?



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Why is Ohfour keeping her reputation any kind of problem for you? She's not saying you need to follow what her and her DH have worked out , only that that's how they do it. If you find it sexist don't do it but don't act like what she's doing for herself and her marriage is wrong because YOU don't like it. I don't have this rule in my marriage but if I did it would be no one elses business.


 Because it has NOTHING to do with "reputation".  They can have whatever rules they want if they don't trust themselves or their partner--but call it what it is.



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 So putting her down and calling her names just makes you feel better?


 What names????  WTF are you blubbering about?


 
I'm from small town USA--gossip center of the universe--and no one here would look twice at people on a business lunch. Better class of people, I suppose.

 

So you weren't trying to put her down? You weren't trying to pretend you were somehow better than her because you hang out alone with women not your wife?



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I honestly think it is more of a Southern thing than anything else. Genteel Southern Belles did not keep company with gentlemen alone & it just seems to be a hold over from older days. I don't think they view it as sexist. It is just the way things are done in that region.

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Why is Ohfour keeping her reputation any kind of problem for you? She's not saying you need to follow what her and her DH have worked out , only that that's how they do it. If you find it sexist don't do it but don't act like what she's doing for herself and her marriage is wrong because YOU don't like it. I don't have this rule in my marriage but if I did it would be no one elses business.


 Because it has NOTHING to do with "reputation".  They can have whatever rules they want if they don't trust themselves or their partner--but call it what it is.



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 So putting her down and calling her names just makes you feel better?


 What names????  WTF are you blubbering about?


 
I'm from small town USA--gossip center of the universe--and no one here would look twice at people on a business lunch. Better class of people, I suppose.

 

So you weren't trying to put her down? You weren't trying to pretend you were somehow better than her because you hang out alone with women not your wife?


 No, I never said I was better.  I said the people where I live were better than the people where she lives who must be judgmental gossips if she can't eat lunch with a male colleague alone without worrying about her "reputation".

 

 



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Try reading what she wrote. She said that's what they decided for themselves. The neighbors had nothing to do with their decision, and yes we know you are the authority on what everyone should do...lol

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Try reading what she wrote. She said that's what they decided for themselves. The neighbors had nothing to do with their decision, and yes we know you are the authority on what everyone should do...lol


 No, she said they had to protect their reputations.



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I have several guy friends and DH has several female friends. I have gone to dinner, movies, etc with my guy friends just as DH has with his female friends. It's just not a big deal. I go with Scott to movies DH doesn't want to see and he goes out with Charlotte to restaurants I don't like. Nothing scandalous about it.

I frankly don't care what others think it "looks like". It isn't their business and I don't answer to them. DH and I trust each other, I trust our friends, and I know none of us are interested in the other in a sexual way. These friends are some of the most supportive people we know in regards to our marriage.

The OP needs to decide if this is something she can live with or not. And she needs to act accordingly.


Until that picture is snapped and put out all over the internet for everyone to see.  Pictures can be deceiving.  We chose not to risk that.   


Risk of what?


Gossip.  Both of us are in the public eye (he MUCH more than me).  It could ruin our reputation therefore ruining a lot of what we do... 


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I honestly think it is more of a Southern thing than anything else. Genteel Southern Belles did not keep company with gentlemen alone & it just seems to be a hold over from older days. I don't think they view it as sexist. It is just the way things are done in that region.


 And black people couldn't eat at whites only restaurants, either.



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I honestly think it is more of a Southern thing than anything else. Genteel Southern Belles did not keep company with gentlemen alone & it just seems to be a hold over from older days. I don't think they view it as sexist. It is just the way things are done in that region.


 And black people couldn't eat at whites only restaurants, either.


 That was changed by law.



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I honestly think it is more of a Southern thing than anything else. Genteel Southern Belles did not keep company with gentlemen alone & it just seems to be a hold over from older days. I don't think they view it as sexist. It is just the way things are done in that region.


 And black people couldn't eat at whites only restaurants, either.


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Lexxy wrote:

I honestly think it is more of a Southern thing than anything else. Genteel Southern Belles did not keep company with gentlemen alone & it just seems to be a hold over from older days. I don't think they view it as sexist. It is just the way things are done in that region.


 I think you're right, Lexxy.

BUT it is also understandable that those of us who DON'T live in the South view it as sexist.

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I honestly think it is more of a Southern thing than anything else. Genteel Southern Belles did not keep company with gentlemen alone & it just seems to be a hold over from older days. I don't think they view it as sexist. It is just the way things are done in that region.


 And black people couldn't eat at whites only restaurants, either.


And that has nothing to do with the way my husband and I handle our relationship... 


 That's why I didn't say it in response to one of your posts.  Not everything is about you.



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I honestly think it is more of a Southern thing than anything else. Genteel Southern Belles did not keep company with gentlemen alone & it just seems to be a hold over from older days. I don't think they view it as sexist. It is just the way things are done in that region.


 And black people couldn't eat at whites only restaurants, either.


 That was changed by law.


 Sure--but not by laws passed in southern state houses unless forced by the Feds.



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huskerbb wrote:
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And it's not about trusting yourself. Its about perception.


 And the perception is that such policies are ridiculous and sexist.


 No. Really it isnt. 

Rumors and innuendo have caused a lot of trouble for people.

 

And the Bible tells us to not even give the impression that you could be sinning. 

And it's respectful of the SO.

 



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flan327 wrote:
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I honestly think it is more of a Southern thing than anything else. Genteel Southern Belles did not keep company with gentlemen alone & it just seems to be a hold over from older days. I don't think they view it as sexist. It is just the way things are done in that region.


 I think you're right, Lexxy.

BUT it is also understandable that those of us who DON'T live in the South view it as sexist.

flan


How is it sexist when both man AND women do this?  I know MANY men that won't go out alone with a lady, just as many women that won't go out alone with a man... 



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flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
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And it's not about trusting yourself. Its about perception.


 And the perception is that such policies are ridiculous and sexist.


I have to agree.

I mean, C'MON, if you WERE having an affair, it's doubtful that you would be hanging out in public places...

flan 


 You should know....



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huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lexxy wrote:

I honestly think it is more of a Southern thing than anything else. Genteel Southern Belles did not keep company with gentlemen alone & it just seems to be a hold over from older days. I don't think they view it as sexist. It is just the way things are done in that region.


 And black people couldn't eat at whites only restaurants, either.


And that has nothing to do with the way my husband and I handle our relationship... 


 That's why I didn't say it in response to one of your posts.  Not everything is about you.


Se was talking about me, so YES, it IS about me... 



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lilyofcourse wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:

And it's not about trusting yourself. Its about perception.


 And the perception is that such policies are ridiculous and sexist.


 No. Really it isnt. 

Rumors and innuendo have caused a lot of trouble for people.

 

And the Bible tells us to not even give the impression that you could be sinning. 

And it's respectful of the SO.

 


 Rumors and innuendo ARE sins--variations on the word gossip.  

 

Having lunch with with someone of the opposite gender gives the impression you are having lunch--except to said gossips who are busy doing the actual sinning.



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Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lexxy wrote:

I honestly think it is more of a Southern thing than anything else. Genteel Southern Belles did not keep company with gentlemen alone & it just seems to be a hold over from older days. I don't think they view it as sexist. It is just the way things are done in that region.


 I think you're right, Lexxy.

BUT it is also understandable that those of us who DON'T live in the South view it as sexist.

flan


How is it sexist when both man AND women do this?  I know MANY men that won't go out alone with a lady, just as many women that won't go out alone with a man... 


 ???  You can be sexist either way.  



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Again, I will rely on the advice of Billy Graham over Husker.

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