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I don't see what difference it makes, anyway. It is clearly not a sin. It's the act of sex--or the thought thereof--that is the sin if you are talking about people who are not married.

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Mary Magdeline? Really?

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Mary Magdeline? Really?


???  No. Mary and Martha.  Luke Chapter 10.

 

Besides that, single women inviting a single man into their home would most certainly be considered to give off the "appearance" of sin, especially in that day and age.  



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Mary Magdeline? Really?


???  No. Mary and Martha.  Luke Chapter 10.

 

Besides that, single women inviting a single man into their home would most certainly be considered to give off the "appearance" of sin, especially in that day and age.  


I COULD be wrong, but they weren;t ALONE with Jesus were they?  Wasn't Lazarus there?  They were preparing a large meal... 



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huskerbb wrote:
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You never addressed the alcohol situation, either.


 I agree with you on the alcohol - drinking it is not a sin, but drunkenness it.  Acting drunk would be the appearance of sin, not imbibing a glass of wine.  And the Bible doesn't say that drinking alcohol is a sin, so your comparison there fails.   


 No, yours does.  The bible doesn't say that having dinner with a person of the opposite sex who isn't your spouse is a sin, either.  


 Please show me where, in the Bible, wives are having dinner with other men than their husbands without their husbands present?


Jesus had dinner with Mary and Martha--TWO women.  Scandalous. 


 I know it's hard Husker, but try to keep up.  She Said WIVES.  WIVES.  One more time in case you don't understand, WIVES.


The Bible does not say if they are married, or not.  You don't know, either. 


I've never EVER heard anyone dispute that they weren't married.   



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No, Lazarus was not mentioned as being present.

It also does not say she was preparing a "large" meal.

It says she opened her home to HIM, not THEM.

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Throughout the Bible, when it talks about sinning and wives, it talks specifically about sleeping with another man's wife, or living with another man's wife.

It does NOT talk about not interacting with them in any way. It specifically talks about two conditions.

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Ohfour wrote:

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Mary Magdeline? Really?


???  No. Mary and Martha.  Luke Chapter 10.

 

Besides that, single women inviting a single man into their home would most certainly be considered to give off the "appearance" of sin, especially in that day and age.  


I COULD be wrong, but they weren;t ALONE with Jesus were they?  Wasn't Lazarus there?  They were preparing a large meal... 


 No, they were not alone.  It was Jesus and his discliples. 



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No, Lazarus was not mentioned as being present.

It also does not say she was preparing a "large" meal.

It says she opened her home to HIM, not THEM.


Really???? Do you have a different Bible than I do?

 

1Jesus, therefore, six days before the Passover, came to Bethany where Lazarus was, whom Jesus had raised from the dead. 2So they made Him a supper there, and Martha was serving; but Lazarus was one of those reclining at the table with Him. 3Mary then took a pound of very costly perfume of pure nard, and anointed the feet of Jesus and wiped His feet with her hair; and the house was filled with the fragrance of the perfume. 4But Judas Iscariot, one of His disciples, who was intending to betray Him, said, 5"Why was this perfume not sold for three hundred denarii and given to poor people?"…



-- Edited by Ohfour on Wednesday 8th of July 2015 03:11:24 PM

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I'm really starting to believe he does.

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Lawyerlady wrote:

I'm really starting to believe he does.


Wow... 



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Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:

No, Lazarus was not mentioned as being present.

It also does not say she was preparing a "large" meal.

It says she opened her home to HIM, not THEM.


Really???? Do you have a different Bible than I do?

 

1Jesus, therefore, six days before the Passover, came to Bethany where Lazarus was, whom Jesus had raised from the dead. 2So they made Him a supper there, and Martha was serving; but Lazarus was one of those reclining at the table with Him. 3Mary then took a pound of very costly perfume of pure nard, and anointed the feet of Jesus and wiped His feet with her hair; and the house was filled with the fragrance of the perfume. 4But Judas Iscariot, one of His disciples, who was intending to betray Him, said, 5"Why was this perfume not sold for three hundred denarii and given to poor people?"…



-- Edited by Ohfour on Wednesday 8th of July 2015 03:11:24 PM


Different time.  Different passage.

Luke 10:

38 As Jesus and his disciples were on their way, he came to a village where a woman named Martha opened her home to him. 39 She had a sister called Mary, who sat at the Lord’s feet listening to what he said. 40 But Martha was distracted by all the preparations that had to be made. She came to him and asked, “Lord, don’t you care that my sister has left me to do the work by myself? Tell her to help me!”

41 “Martha, Martha,” the Lord answered, “you are worried and upset about many things, 42 but few things are needed—or indeed only one.[f] Mary has chosen what is better, and it will not be taken away from her.” 



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Lawyerlady wrote:
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Mary Magdeline? Really?


???  No. Mary and Martha.  Luke Chapter 10.

 

Besides that, single women inviting a single man into their home would most certainly be considered to give off the "appearance" of sin, especially in that day and age.  


I COULD be wrong, but they weren;t ALONE with Jesus were they?  Wasn't Lazarus there?  They were preparing a large meal... 


 No, they were not alone.  It was Jesus and his discliples. 


No.  It does not say the disciples went to her house.  It says she "opened her house to HIM", not them.   



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huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:

No, Lazarus was not mentioned as being present.

It also does not say she was preparing a "large" meal.

It says she opened her home to HIM, not THEM.


Really???? Do you have a different Bible than I do?

 

1Jesus, therefore, six days before the Passover, came to Bethany where Lazarus was, whom Jesus had raised from the dead. 2So they made Him a supper there, and Martha was serving; but Lazarus was one of those reclining at the table with Him. 3Mary then took a pound of very costly perfume of pure nard, and anointed the feet of Jesus and wiped His feet with her hair; and the house was filled with the fragrance of the perfume. 4But Judas Iscariot, one of His disciples, who was intending to betray Him, said, 5"Why was this perfume not sold for three hundred denarii and given to poor people?"…



-- Edited by Ohfour on Wednesday 8th of July 2015 03:11:24 PM


Different time.  Different passage.

Luke 10:

38 As Jesus and his disciples were on their way, he came to a village where a woman named Martha opened her home to him. 39 She had a sister called Mary, who sat at the Lord’s feet listening to what he said. 40 But Martha was distracted by all the preparations that had to be made. She came to him and asked, “Lord, don’t you care that my sister has left me to do the work by myself? Tell her to help me!”

41 “Martha, Martha,” the Lord answered, “you are worried and upset about many things, 42 but few things are needed—or indeed only one.[f] Mary has chosen what is better, and it will not be taken away from her.” 


Its referring to the same event.  One is a little more detailed than the other...this is not uncommon in the Gospels in case you didn't know... 



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The disciples were his entourage - they came with him.

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I need a nap.

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 Me too.



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I need a nap.

flan


 Me too.


We also need some new threads!

Any ideas, NJN?

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Ohfour wrote:
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No, Lazarus was not mentioned as being present.

It also does not say she was preparing a "large" meal.

It says she opened her home to HIM, not THEM.


Really???? Do you have a different Bible than I do?

 

1Jesus, therefore, six days before the Passover, came to Bethany where Lazarus was, whom Jesus had raised from the dead. 2So they made Him a supper there, and Martha was serving; but Lazarus was one of those reclining at the table with Him. 3Mary then took a pound of very costly perfume of pure nard, and anointed the feet of Jesus and wiped His feet with her hair; and the house was filled with the fragrance of the perfume. 4But Judas Iscariot, one of His disciples, who was intending to betray Him, said, 5"Why was this perfume not sold for three hundred denarii and given to poor people?"…



-- Edited by Ohfour on Wednesday 8th of July 2015 03:11:24 PM


Different time.  Different passage.

Luke 10:

38 As Jesus and his disciples were on their way, he came to a village where a woman named Martha opened her home to him. 39 She had a sister called Mary, who sat at the Lord’s feet listening to what he said. 40 But Martha was distracted by all the preparations that had to be made. She came to him and asked, “Lord, don’t you care that my sister has left me to do the work by myself? Tell her to help me!”

41 “Martha, Martha,” the Lord answered, “you are worried and upset about many things, 42 but few things are needed—or indeed only one.[f] Mary has chosen what is better, and it will not be taken away from her.” 


Its referring to the same event.  One is a little more detailed than the other...this is not uncommon in the Gospels in case you didn't know... 

 

 

 No, it isn't.  The timeline is completely different.  He went to their house on at least 3 occasions, probably more, but three are recorded.  This is very early on, the event you refer to is later, after he resurrects Lazarus.



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The disciples were his entourage - they came with him.


 They were in the village.  It does not say they went to the house On that occasion.



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I need a nap.

flan


 Me too.


We also need some new threads!

Any ideas, NJN?

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 I will have to think.



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It was the same event.

I think he is reading a different Bible too.


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lilyofcourse wrote:

It was the same event.

I think he is reading a different Bible too.


He's the only person that's ever made the assertion that these are two different events.  I guess he's a Biblical Scholar now...confuse 



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Ohfour wrote:
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It was the same event.

I think he is reading a different Bible too.


He's the only person that's ever made the assertion that these are two different events.  I guess he's a Biblical Scholar now...confuse 


 I guess so.



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lilyofcourse wrote:
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It was the same event.

I think he is reading a different Bible too.


He's the only person that's ever made the assertion that these are two different events.  I guess he's a Biblical Scholar now...confuse 


 I guess so.


I believe that his father was a minister...

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flan327 wrote:
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It was the same event.

I think he is reading a different Bible too.


He's the only person that's ever made the assertion that these are two different events.  I guess he's a Biblical Scholar now...confuse 


 I guess so.


I believe that his father was a minister...

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Ohfour wrote:
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It was the same event.

I think he is reading a different Bible too.


He's the only person that's ever made the assertion that these are two different events.  I guess he's a Biblical Scholar now...confuse 


The timeline is completely different.  They don't even read the same.  The same events did not occur in both. 

 

There were three distinct events.  This might help you:  http://www.womeninthebible.net/2.3.Martha_and_Mary.htm

 

The story has three episodes:
1 Martha and Mary are visited by Jesus (see the Bible text at Luke 10:38-42)
Martha and Mary offered hospitality to their friend
Jesus of Nazareth, a respected but somewhat controversial Jewish rabbi. Their house was near Jerusalem, and Jesus often stayed there. Mary sat and listened to him as he talked, but Martha objected to the fact that she was left with all the work. Woman with crossed arms, Picasso Jesus told Martha not to worry about small things, but to concentrate on what was important.

2 Martha and Mary ask for Jesus’ help (John 11:1-44)
Later on Their brother Lazarus was dangerously ill, and in desperation Martha and Mary sent for Jesus. He delayed coming, and in the meantime Lazarus died. When Jesus arrived, both Martha and Mary reproached him for not coming sooner. But Martha also made an extraordinary statement of her faith in Jesus. He went to the tomb, prayed, and called to Lazarus. Lazarus came out, alive, from the tomb.

3 Mary of Bethany anoint Jesus (John 12:1-8)
Martha, Mary and Lazarus gave a dinner for Jesus. During the dinner, Mary anointed Jesus with expensive nard perfume. Judas objected to her extravagance, but Jesus defended her action. She may have
been at the crucifixion, which happened just a few days later.

*  Go to Martha and Mary in the gospels for these Bible texts. 



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The first event happened MUCH earlier than the crucifixion, possibly YEARS earlier. It was certainly before the raising of Lazarus.

The second event was the raising of Lazarus. Jesus had met Lazarus many times before that and it says that Jesus loved him.

The third event happened just days before the crucifixion. Six days before the Passover--the Passover at which Jesus was betrayed. This happened AFTER the raising of Lazarus.

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Huh? I guess I have missed a lot on this thread, lol

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flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
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It was the same event.

I think he is reading a different Bible too.


He's the only person that's ever made the assertion that these are two different events.  I guess he's a Biblical Scholar now...confuse 


 I guess so.


I believe that his father was a minister...

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