TOTALLY GEEKED!

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

RE: Planned Parenthood doctor caught on camera saying things that have many people very upset

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

A sperm has human DNA. It is not a human being. It's a sperm.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Mellow Momma wrote:
Well lots of things have DNA in common with human beings. It doesn't make them human beings. It is a potential human being. It cannot live or develop outside the human body of the mother.

Not "in common" - exactly a human being. Your analogies don't work. A fetus is a young baby, which is a person. And it should have the right to its body, too.

Ohfour · Hooker

Mellow Momma wrote:
Well lots of things have DNA in common with human beings. It doesn't make them human beings. It is a potential human being. It cannot live or develop outside the human body of the mother.

In the video, she was specifically discussing late term abortions. Those would be viable...

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Mellow Momma wrote:
A sperm has human DNA. It is not a human being. It's a sperm.

It does not have both chomosomes and all the stuff to make a human. A fetus DOES. Whether you want to admit it or not. This argument is stupid. You don't ADD anything to a fetus to make a baby - it's all there from the beginning.

weltschmerz · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Even the bible didn't punish abortion by death. Priests performed the ritual of having women spontaneously abort, as directed by God.
Numbers 5: 11-31

Ummm..... no. It isnt.
But nice try. Way to twist the scriptures to fit your agenda.
What else can you do?

If you say so. Are you going to argue with this, too?

The Bible places no value on fetuses or infants less than one month old.

And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver. -- Leviticus 27:6

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Wednesday 15th of July 2015 03:03:27 PM

Ohfour · Hooker

Isn't it funny when non-believers try to school believers on the Bible?

weltschmerz · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
Isn't it funny when non-believers try to school believers on the Bible?

We used to BE believers. Then we studied the bible, from stem to stern.

Tinydancer · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Isn't it funny when non-believers try to school believers on the Bible?
We used to BE believers. Then we studied the bible, from stem to stern.

I think Richard has been reincarnated...lol

Ohfour · Hooker

weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Isn't it funny when non-believers try to school believers on the Bible?
We used to BE believers. Then we studied the bible, from stem to stern.

Suuureee ya did!

weltschmerz · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
Isn't it funny when non-believers try to school believers on the Bible?

You know what's even funnier? Belief is often a matter of geography, rather than faith. If you had been born in the Middle East, you'd worship Allah and Mohammed. If you were born in Japan, you'd worship various Shinto animal deities. If you had been born in India, you'd be worshipping multi-limbed Elephant Gods, offering milk and honey to Ganesha at the temple and immersing the statue in the Ganges for ritual cleansing.

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Wednesday 15th of July 2015 03:30:03 PM

weltschmerz · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Isn't it funny when non-believers try to school believers on the Bible?
We used to BE believers. Then we studied the bible, from stem to stern.
Suuureee ya did!

Well, clearly it's impossible to lose one's faith, especially if one is brought up in a Russian Orthodox household.

Can't. Possibly. Happen.

Ever.

LOL!

Ohfour · Hooker

weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Isn't it funny when non-believers try to school believers on the Bible?
You know what's even funnier? Belief is often a matter of geography, rather than faith. If you had been born in the Middle East, you'd worship Allah and Mohammed. If you were born in Japan, you'd worship various Shinto animal deities. If you had been born in India, you'd be worshipping multi-limbed Elephant Gods, offering milk and honey to Ganesha at the temple and immersing the statue in the Ganges for ritual cleansing.

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Wednesday 15th of July 2015 03:30:03 PM

And that's why we send missionaries to those places. To teach them the truth.

Ohfour · Hooker

weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Isn't it funny when non-believers try to school believers on the Bible?
We used to BE believers. Then we studied the bible, from stem to stern.
Suuureee ya did!
Well, clearly it's impossible to lose one's faith, especially if one is brought up in a Russian Orthodox household.
Can't. Possibly. Happen.
Ever.

LOL!

I don't believe you (general) can lose your faith. I don't think you (general) had it in the first place...

weltschmerz · Guru

Believe whatever you want.
I had faith. Then I lost it. Then I tried to get it back and immersed myself in the bible, the Vedas, the Torah, you name it. I studied comparative religions until I had deities coming out of my ears.
It made me an atheist. If you don't want to believe it, it's no skin off my nose.

Ohfour · Hooker

That makes me very sad for you....really...

weltschmerz · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Isn't it funny when non-believers try to school believers on the Bible?
You know what's even funnier? Belief is often a matter of geography, rather than faith. If you had been born in the Middle East, you'd worship Allah and Mohammed. If you were born in Japan, you'd worship various Shinto animal deities. If you had been born in India, you'd be worshipping multi-limbed Elephant Gods, offering milk and honey to Ganesha at the temple and immersing the statue in the Ganges for ritual cleansing.

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Wednesday 15th of July 2015 03:30:03 PM
And that's why we send missionaries to those places. To teach them the truth.

Well, what makes you think your truth is THE truth? All the religions can't be right. They can all be wrong, however.

weltschmerz · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
That makes me very sad for you....really...

That's OK. I feel sad for you.

Ohfour · Hooker

weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Isn't it funny when non-believers try to school believers on the Bible?
You know what's even funnier? Belief is often a matter of geography, rather than faith. If you had been born in the Middle East, you'd worship Allah and Mohammed. If you were born in Japan, you'd worship various Shinto animal deities. If you had been born in India, you'd be worshipping multi-limbed Elephant Gods, offering milk and honey to Ganesha at the temple and immersing the statue in the Ganges for ritual cleansing.

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Wednesday 15th of July 2015 03:30:03 PM
And that's why we send missionaries to those places. To teach them the truth.
Well, what makes you think your truth is THE truth? All the religions can't be right. They can all be wrong, however.

Because I know it is. Period. The rest are wrong...

weltschmerz · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Isn't it funny when non-believers try to school believers on the Bible?
You know what's even funnier? Belief is often a matter of geography, rather than faith. If you had been born in the Middle East, you'd worship Allah and Mohammed. If you were born in Japan, you'd worship various Shinto animal deities. If you had been born in India, you'd be worshipping multi-limbed Elephant Gods, offering milk and honey to Ganesha at the temple and immersing the statue in the Ganges for ritual cleansing.

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Wednesday 15th of July 2015 03:30:03 PM
And that's why we send missionaries to those places. To teach them the truth.
Well, what makes you think your truth is THE truth? All the religions can't be right. They can all be wrong, however.
Because I know it is. Period. The rest are wrong...

Of course. You know in your heart of hearts that it's the one true religion. Just like the Hindus, Shinto worshippers, Muslims, Buddhists, etc., believe that theirs is the one true religion.

Ohfour · Hooker

They are wrong.

Tinydancer · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Isn't it funny when non-believers try to school believers on the Bible?
You know what's even funnier? Belief is often a matter of geography, rather than faith. If you had been born in the Middle East, you'd worship Allah and Mohammed. If you were born in Japan, you'd worship various Shinto animal deities. If you had been born in India, you'd be worshipping multi-limbed Elephant Gods, offering milk and honey to Ganesha at the temple and immersing the statue in the Ganges for ritual cleansing.

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Wednesday 15th of July 2015 03:30:03 PM
And that's why we send missionaries to those places. To teach them the truth.
Well, what makes you think your truth is THE truth? All the religions can't be right. They can all be wrong, however.
Because I know it is. Period. The rest are wrong...
Of course. You know in your heart of hearts that it's the one true religion. Just like the Hindus, Shinto worshippers, Muslims, Buddhists, etc., believe that theirs is the one true religion.

Do you know what faith is? Just because you can't have faith doesn't mean others can't. It doesn't matter what you say when faith is involved.

-- Edited by Tinydancer on Wednesday 15th of July 2015 03:52:56 PM

weltschmerz · Guru

I'd love to see you being met at the Pearly Gates by an angry multi-limbed Elephant God, and He Is Pissed!
Eat much cow?
I'd pay to see that.

Look, none of the religions have any basis in fact. None. I'll take my chances with Secular Humanism and live my life not being a dick. Works for me!

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

weltschmerz wrote:
It will never be impossible. Abortion has been around since time immemorial. If women can't get it legally, they'll go to back alley doctors with coat hangers.

I have said that so many times I've lost count.

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
It will never be impossible. Abortion has been around since time immemorial. If women can't get it legally, they'll go to back alley doctors with coat hangers.
I have said that so many times I've lost count.
flan

Just because it's doable doesn't make it right. Murder id illegal, yet people still do it. Of COURSE people are going to do it. But they should be punished for it...

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

huskerbb wrote:
burns07 wrote:

am pro choice not because am ok with abortion but believe a woman's rights to her own body are absolute--as are yours or mine

morally, am pro life
It's not just her body.

For all intents & purposes, it actually IS.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
Weltz, you do know stem cells are also in umbilical cords right?

It can be have step at birth and used for just about anything.

I do not advocate abortion. I think it should be illegal and I think it should be punishable by death.

Thank GOD you don't make the laws.

flan

huskerbb · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Isn't it funny when non-believers try to school believers on the Bible?
You know what's even funnier? Belief is often a matter of geography, rather than faith. If you had been born in the Middle East, you'd worship Allah and Mohammed. If you were born in Japan, you'd worship various Shinto animal deities. If you had been born in India, you'd be worshipping multi-limbed Elephant Gods, offering milk and honey to Ganesha at the temple and immersing the statue in the Ganges for ritual cleansing.

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Wednesday 15th of July 2015 03:30:03 PM
And that's why we send missionaries to those places. To teach them the truth.
Well, what makes you think your truth is THE truth? All the religions can't be right. They can all be wrong, however.

Several things.

First of all, Christianity is the only one that starts at the beginning. It starts well before the Birth of Christ with Adam and Eve--and Christ was present from the beginning.

All other religions except the Jewish start at a period of time in history with one person.

Second, all of the other religions are forged by man. Mohammed was a man. Buddha was a man. Confuscious was a man. Jesus Christ, however, was God.

Third, all those other dudes are dead. Jesus Christ died and rose again--and was seen by many.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Even the bible didn't punish abortion by death. Priests performed the ritual of having women spontaneously abort, as directed by God.
Numbers 5: 11-31

Ummm..... no. It isnt.
But nice try. Way to twist the scriptures to fit your agenda.
What else can you do?

If you say so. Are you going to argue with this, too?
The Bible places no value on fetuses or infants less than one month old.

And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver. -- Leviticus 27:6

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Wednesday 15th of July 2015 03:03:27 PM

If memory serves, that's taxes.

In that time, a baby that age didn't always live.

So again. Nice try.

huskerbb · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Even the bible didn't punish abortion by death. Priests performed the ritual of having women spontaneously abort, as directed by God.
Numbers 5: 11-31

Ummm..... no. It isnt.
But nice try. Way to twist the scriptures to fit your agenda.
What else can you do?

If you say so. Are you going to argue with this, too?
The Bible places no value on fetuses or infants less than one month old.

And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver. -- Leviticus 27:6

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Wednesday 15th of July 2015 03:03:27 PM

WTF are you babbling about??? That verse has NOTHING to do with abortion--or even the relative value of a person. It has to do with an offering to God of money on behalf of a person being dedicated to God. It is based on what they can AFFORD, not the actual value of the person.

This is why non-Christians should not try to use the Bible to illustrate their points. They make themselves look like fools. Leave the Bible interpretations to those who know at least a little bit about it. You are going to hurt yourself.

God DOES value those in the womb:

Jeremiah 1

4Now the word of the LORD came to me saying, 5"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, And before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations."

-- Edited by huskerbb on Wednesday 15th of July 2015 04:38:51 PM

huskerbb · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Even the bible didn't punish abortion by death. Priests performed the ritual of having women spontaneously abort, as directed by God.
Numbers 5: 11-31

Ummm..... no. It isnt.
But nice try. Way to twist the scriptures to fit your agenda.
What else can you do?

If you say so. Are you going to argue with this, too?
The Bible places no value on fetuses or infants less than one month old.

And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver. -- Leviticus 27:6

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Wednesday 15th of July 2015 03:03:27 PM
If memory serves, that's taxes.
In that time, a baby that age didn't always live.
So again. Nice try.

Close. It's more of an offering to God--but yeah, it's based on what they can afford, not what they are worth.

Using that stupid illogic, then someone who is poor today isn't worth anything because they can't afford to pay as high of an offering.

Plus, it doesn't have a damn thing to do with abortion.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

huskerbb wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Even the bible didn't punish abortion by death. Priests performed the ritual of having women spontaneously abort, as directed by God.
Numbers 5: 11-31

Ummm..... no. It isnt.
But nice try. Way to twist the scriptures to fit your agenda.
What else can you do?

If you say so. Are you going to argue with this, too?
The Bible places no value on fetuses or infants less than one month old.

And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver. -- Leviticus 27:6

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Wednesday 15th of July 2015 03:03:27 PM
If memory serves, that's taxes.
In that time, a baby that age didn't always live.
So again. Nice try.
Close. It's more of an offering to God--but yeah, it's based on what they can afford, not what they are worth.

Using that stupid illogic, then someone who is poor today isn't worth anything because they can't afford to pay as high of an offering.
Plus, it doesn't have a damn thing to do with abortion.

I couldn't remember off the top of my head. Thanks.

huskerbb · Guru

Well, I had to look it up--but--I've done extensive Bible study on the issue of abortion starting back when I was in confirmation. I had never had that verse come up in any such study my entire life.

When I read it, the reason was obvious--it has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the issue of abortion.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Isn't it funny when non-believers try to school believers on the Bible?
You know what's even funnier? Belief is often a matter of geography, rather than faith. If you had been born in the Middle East, you'd worship Allah and Mohammed. If you were born in Japan, you'd worship various Shinto animal deities. If you had been born in India, you'd be worshipping multi-limbed Elephant Gods, offering milk and honey to Ganesha at the temple and immersing the statue in the Ganges for ritual cleansing.

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Wednesday 15th of July 2015 03:30:03 PM
And that's why we send missionaries to those places. To teach them the truth.
Well, what makes you think your truth is THE truth? All the religions can't be right. They can all be wrong, however.
Several things.

First of all, Christianity is the only one that starts at the beginning. It starts well before the Birth of Christ with Adam and Eve--and Christ was present from the beginning.

All other religions except the Jewish start at a period of time in history with one person.

Second, all of the other religions are forged by man. Mohammed was a man. Buddha was a man. Confuscious was a man. Jesus Christ, however, was God.

Third, all those other dudes are dead. Jesus Christ died and rose again--and was seen by many.

This is very well said, husker.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Seriously?

Most religions feature a god who rose from the dead. You have never heard that?

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

The motif of a dying deity appears within the mythology of diverse cultures – perhaps because attributes of deities were derived from everyday experiences, and the ensuing conflicts often included death. These examples range from Baldr in Norse mythology to the feathered serpent Quetzalcoatl in Aztec mythology to the Japanese Izanami

This is just the tip of the iceberg.

flan

huskerbb · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Seriously?

Most religions feature a god who rose from the dead. You have never heard that?

flan

No, they don't. Not ones who actually existed.

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
The motif of a dying deity appears within the mythology of diverse cultures – perhaps because attributes of deities were derived from everyday experiences, and the ensuing conflicts often included death. These examples range from Baldr in Norse mythology to the feathered serpent Quetzalcoatl in Aztec mythology to the Japanese Izanami

This is just the tip of the iceberg.

flan

Mythology vs fact.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Seriously?

Most religions feature a god who rose from the dead. You have never heard that?

flan
No, they don't. Not ones who actually existed.

In your OPINION.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
The motif of a dying deity appears within the mythology of diverse cultures – perhaps because attributes of deities were derived from everyday experiences, and the ensuing conflicts often included death. These examples range from Baldr in Norse mythology to the feathered serpent Quetzalcoatl in Aztec mythology to the Japanese Izanami

This is just the tip of the iceberg.

flan
Mythology vs fact.

But not everyone believes your Bible is fact.

flan

huskerbb · Guru

flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Seriously?

Most religions feature a god who rose from the dead. You have never heard that?

flan
No, they don't. Not ones who actually existed.
In your OPINION.
flan

No. It's not just my "opinion". Jesus existed. Those others that you mention did not. Those are FACTS.

Read the thread on Plato and Aristotle. How do you know they existed? The historical record contains FAR less on them than on Jesus Christ.

huskerbb · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
The motif of a dying deity appears within the mythology of diverse cultures – perhaps because attributes of deities were derived from everyday experiences, and the ensuing conflicts often included death. These examples range from Baldr in Norse mythology to the feathered serpent Quetzalcoatl in Aztec mythology to the Japanese Izanami

This is just the tip of the iceberg.

flan
Mythology vs fact.
But not everyone believes your Bible is fact.
flan

Irrelevant. Jesus Christ did, in fact, exist. Just like Mohammed or Buddha.

The Gods of Greek, or Aztec, or Norse mythology did not.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

My POINT is that if you want to start a religion, feature a person who rises from the dead. Pretty simple idea.

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Seriously?

Most religions feature a god who rose from the dead. You have never heard that?

flan
No, they don't. Not ones who actually existed.
In your OPINION.
flan

So you can belive in a Mythological creature with no proof they ever existed, but you can not believe in a God who walked the planet and is documented in historical accounts.

Interesting.

huskerbb · Guru

flan327 wrote:
My POINT is that if you want to start a religion, feature a person who rises from the dead. Pretty simple idea.

flan

Sure--and when it actually happens, even better.

That brings me to a fourth point in how I know Christianity is the one true religion.

Jesus Christ fulfilled all the prophecies wrote about him HUNDREDS of years before his earthly birth.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Mellow Momma wrote:
I was making an analogy. The body of the woman always belongs to the woman and never belongs to anything growing inside her.

So, then you support abortion up to and including the ninth month and even up to the day before delivery then?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
And so...I ask again. If polio makes a resurgence, will you withhold the polio vaccine from your children? If a loved is struck down with Alzheimer's, and there's a promising new cure, you'll deny them that chance? If you get Parkinson's and the cure is available, you'll say "No thanks!"?

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Wednesday 15th of July 2015 01:31:52 PM

I have already answered your question. Try reading my post a couple posts above or keep spouting your nonsense . confuse

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
I have a question. Many of you have children. Imagine, if you will, that your child is diagnosed with a terminal illness. There is a cure. Upon further investigation, you learn that the cure has come about because of medical research using human tissue samples, including embryonic tissue.
ARE YOU GOING TO TURN IT DOWN?
Are you going to let your child die? Be honest.
You question really doesn't make sense. Cures generally come about through years and years of research through lots of avenues and people. So, what are you asking exactly? Are you asking that in the event that an aborted fetus is curable, would you then opt to use it? Is that the question? Which still is a ridiculous question, because there isn't ANYBODY a mother bear wouldn't kill to save her cub. Which actually PROVES that the natural instinct of a mother is to Choose Life versus a mother who is CHOOSING to end her baby's life. So, what is your point? The disconnect isn't the person accepting treatment for her child. The disconnect is the mother who would voluntarily end her child's life in the first place.

For Welts. Try rereading.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
I have no problem with the research. With cells of spontaneous aborted children....not on murdered ones...
Spontaneously miscarried embryos usually have something wrong with them. That's why they're not used in research.
So let's kill children that have nothing wrong with them. That is So messed up...
Abortion is legal in your country. That's the bottom line. I suppose it's better to just dispose of the remains as hazardous waste and burned, rather than being used to cure diabetes, Parkinson's, and other diseases.

Murder is wrong. I don't give a rat's arse if it is legal or not.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Mellow Momma wrote:
Well lots of things have DNA in common with human beings. It doesn't make them human beings. It is a potential human being. It cannot live or develop outside the human body of the mother.

The DNA of a human being is a human being. Now you are getting way out there!