Even the bible didn't punish abortion by death. Priests performed the ritual of having women spontaneously abort, as directed by God. Numbers 5: 11-31
Ummm..... no. It isnt.
But nice try. Way to twist the scriptures to fit your agenda.
What else can you do?
If you say so. Are you going to argue with this, too?
The Bible places no value on fetuses or infants less than one month old.
And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver. -- Leviticus 27:6
-- Edited by weltschmerz on Wednesday 15th of July 2015 03:03:27 PM
WTF are you babbling about??? That verse has NOTHING to do with abortion--or even the relative value of a person. It has to do with an offering to God of money on behalf of a person being dedicated to God. It is based on what they can AFFORD, not the actual value of the person.
This is why non-Christians should not try to use the Bible to illustrate their points. They make themselves look like fools. Leave the Bible interpretations to those who know at least a little bit about it. You are going to hurt yourself.
God DOES value those in the womb:
Jeremiah 1
4Now the word of the LORD came to me saying, 5"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, And before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations."
-- Edited by huskerbb on Wednesday 15th of July 2015 04:38:51 PM
Well, the Libs like to run around and say "Oh, the Bible says NOTHING about abortion or gay marriage or blah, blah". Then, they magically find a verse they think they can twist to fit their agenda and SHAZAM! now what the Bible "says" has the weight of authority! LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, that is funny. They tell us over and over the Bible is not to believed, that it was written by a bunch of old white guys, that it is mythology--until they think it suits them, then like you say, it is all of a sudden the be all and end all.
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
Most religions feature a god who rose from the dead. You have never heard that?
flan
No, they don't. Not ones who actually existed.
In your OPINION.
flan
So you can belive in a Mythological creature with no proof they ever existed, but you can not believe in a God who walked the planet and is documented in historical accounts.
Interesting.
Historical records? The bible is not a history book. It's a book of fables.
Most religions feature a god who rose from the dead. You have never heard that?
flan
No, they don't. Not ones who actually existed.
In your OPINION.
flan
So you can belive in a Mythological creature with no proof they ever existed, but you can not believe in a God who walked the planet and is documented in historical accounts.
Interesting.
Historical records? The bible is not a history book. It's a book of fables.
Isn't it funny when non-believers try to school believers on the Bible?
You know what's even funnier? Belief is often a matter of geography, rather than faith. If you had been born in the Middle East, you'd worship Allah and Mohammed. If you were born in Japan, you'd worship various Shinto animal deities. If you had been born in India, you'd be worshipping multi-limbed Elephant Gods, offering milk and honey to Ganesha at the temple and immersing the statue in the Ganges for ritual cleansing.
-- Edited by weltschmerz on Wednesday 15th of July 2015 03:30:03 PM
And that's why we send missionaries to those places. To teach them the truth.
Well, what makes you think your truth is THE truth? All the religions can't be right. They can all be wrong, however.
Several things.
First of all, Christianity is the only one that starts at the beginning. It starts well before the Birth of Christ with Adam and Eve--and Christ was present from the beginning.
All other religions except the Jewish start at a period of time in history with one person.
Second, all of the other religions are forged by man. Mohammed was a man. Buddha was a man. Confuscious was a man. Jesus Christ, however, was God.
Third, all those other dudes are dead. Jesus Christ died and rose again--and was seen by many.
You don't seem to know a whole lot about other religions. You think Hinduism doesn't have a beginning? You think the religion of Native Americans didn't have a beginning?
Isn't it funny when non-believers try to school believers on the Bible?
You know what's even funnier? Belief is often a matter of geography, rather than faith. If you had been born in the Middle East, you'd worship Allah and Mohammed. If you were born in Japan, you'd worship various Shinto animal deities. If you had been born in India, you'd be worshipping multi-limbed Elephant Gods, offering milk and honey to Ganesha at the temple and immersing the statue in the Ganges for ritual cleansing.
-- Edited by weltschmerz on Wednesday 15th of July 2015 03:30:03 PM
And that's why we send missionaries to those places. To teach them the truth.
Well, what makes you think your truth is THE truth? All the religions can't be right. They can all be wrong, however.
Several things.
First of all, Christianity is the only one that starts at the beginning. It starts well before the Birth of Christ with Adam and Eve--and Christ was present from the beginning.
All other religions except the Jewish start at a period of time in history with one person.
Second, all of the other religions are forged by man. Mohammed was a man. Buddha was a man. Confuscious was a man. Jesus Christ, however, was God.
Third, all those other dudes are dead. Jesus Christ died and rose again--and was seen by many.
You don't seem to know a whole lot about other religions. You think Hinduism doesn't have a beginning? You think the religion of Native Americans didn't have a beginning?
Christianity was also forged by man, mon ami.
So, then at least you are conceding on Adam and Eve. And, the Beginning, aka a God created Universe. Good for you Welts!
I have a question. Many of you have children. Imagine, if you will, that your child is diagnosed with a terminal illness. There is a cure. Upon further investigation, you learn that the cure has come about because of medical research using human tissue samples, including embryonic tissue. ARE YOU GOING TO TURN IT DOWN? Are you going to let your child die? Be honest.
You question really doesn't make sense. Cures generally come about through years and years of research through lots of avenues and people. So, what are you asking exactly? Are you asking that in the event that an aborted fetus is curable, would you then opt to use it? Is that the question? Which still is a ridiculous question, because there isn't ANYBODY a mother bear wouldn't kill to save her cub. Which actually PROVES that the natural instinct of a mother is to Choose Life versus a mother who is CHOOSING to end her baby's life. So, what is your point? The disconnect isn't the person accepting treatment for her child. The disconnect is the mother who would voluntarily end her child's life in the first place.
For Welts. Try rereading.
Perhaps you should try rereading. My post had nothing to do with "curing aborted fetuses".
You are too OBTUSE to understand the point. I said that if fetal tissue is curative, then of course mothers who WANT to save their children will move Heaven and Earth to do so. THEY aren't the problem. The DISCONNECT is mothers who CHOOSE to kill their OWN children in the first place. Do you understand now?
Isn't it funny when non-believers try to school believers on the Bible?
You know what's even funnier? Belief is often a matter of geography, rather than faith. If you had been born in the Middle East, you'd worship Allah and Mohammed. If you were born in Japan, you'd worship various Shinto animal deities. If you had been born in India, you'd be worshipping multi-limbed Elephant Gods, offering milk and honey to Ganesha at the temple and immersing the statue in the Ganges for ritual cleansing.
-- Edited by weltschmerz on Wednesday 15th of July 2015 03:30:03 PM
And that's why we send missionaries to those places. To teach them the truth.
Well, what makes you think your truth is THE truth? All the religions can't be right. They can all be wrong, however.
Several things.
First of all, Christianity is the only one that starts at the beginning. It starts well before the Birth of Christ with Adam and Eve--and Christ was present from the beginning.
All other religions except the Jewish start at a period of time in history with one person.
Second, all of the other religions are forged by man. Mohammed was a man. Buddha was a man. Confuscious was a man. Jesus Christ, however, was God.
Third, all those other dudes are dead. Jesus Christ died and rose again--and was seen by many.
You don't seem to know a whole lot about other religions. You think Hinduism doesn't have a beginning? You think the religion of Native Americans didn't have a beginning?
Christianity was also forged by man, mon ami.
So, then at least you are conceding on Adam and Eve. And, the Beginning, aka a God created Universe. Good for you Welts!
Nope, not even a little. I don't believe in Adam and Eve. I believe in evolution. I don't think a deity poofed a set of complete beings into existence.
Isn't it funny when non-believers try to school believers on the Bible?
You know what's even funnier? Belief is often a matter of geography, rather than faith. If you had been born in the Middle East, you'd worship Allah and Mohammed. If you were born in Japan, you'd worship various Shinto animal deities. If you had been born in India, you'd be worshipping multi-limbed Elephant Gods, offering milk and honey to Ganesha at the temple and immersing the statue in the Ganges for ritual cleansing.
-- Edited by weltschmerz on Wednesday 15th of July 2015 03:30:03 PM
And that's why we send missionaries to those places. To teach them the truth.
Well, what makes you think your truth is THE truth? All the religions can't be right. They can all be wrong, however.
Several things.
First of all, Christianity is the only one that starts at the beginning. It starts well before the Birth of Christ with Adam and Eve--and Christ was present from the beginning.
All other religions except the Jewish start at a period of time in history with one person.
Second, all of the other religions are forged by man. Mohammed was a man. Buddha was a man. Confuscious was a man. Jesus Christ, however, was God.
Third, all those other dudes are dead. Jesus Christ died and rose again--and was seen by many.
You don't seem to know a whole lot about other religions. You think Hinduism doesn't have a beginning? You think the religion of Native Americans didn't have a beginning?
Christianity was also forged by man, mon ami.
So, then at least you are conceding on Adam and Eve. And, the Beginning, aka a God created Universe. Good for you Welts!
Nope, not even a little. I don't believe in Adam and Eve. I believe in evolution. I don't think a deity poofed a set of complete beings into existence.
How dumb are you? Even IF you believe in Evolution, there still had to be a FIRST man and a FIRST woman didnt' there? Some random soup of cells sat together, then life just happened, then these random cells became an amoeba, which became a fish. And then that fish magically grew a penis while another fish magically grew a vagina and low and behold, the Penis fish flopped out onto the shore on his back and Vagina fish flopped out right on top of him and POOF the Human Race was born!
Isn't it funny when non-believers try to school believers on the Bible?
You know what's even funnier? Belief is often a matter of geography, rather than faith. If you had been born in the Middle East, you'd worship Allah and Mohammed. If you were born in Japan, you'd worship various Shinto animal deities. If you had been born in India, you'd be worshipping multi-limbed Elephant Gods, offering milk and honey to Ganesha at the temple and immersing the statue in the Ganges for ritual cleansing.
-- Edited by weltschmerz on Wednesday 15th of July 2015 03:30:03 PM
And that's why we send missionaries to those places. To teach them the truth.
Well, what makes you think your truth is THE truth? All the religions can't be right. They can all be wrong, however.
Several things.
First of all, Christianity is the only one that starts at the beginning. It starts well before the Birth of Christ with Adam and Eve--and Christ was present from the beginning.
All other religions except the Jewish start at a period of time in history with one person.
Second, all of the other religions are forged by man. Mohammed was a man. Buddha was a man. Confuscious was a man. Jesus Christ, however, was God.
Third, all those other dudes are dead. Jesus Christ died and rose again--and was seen by many.
You don't seem to know a whole lot about other religions. You think Hinduism doesn't have a beginning? You think the religion of Native Americans didn't have a beginning?
Christianity was also forged by man, mon ami.
So, then at least you are conceding on Adam and Eve. And, the Beginning, aka a God created Universe. Good for you Welts!
Nope, not even a little. I don't believe in Adam and Eve. I believe in evolution. I don't think a deity poofed a set of complete beings into existence.
How dumb are you? Even IF you believe in Evolution, there still had to be a FIRST man and a FIRST woman didnt' there? Some random soup of cells sat together, then life just happened, then these random cells became an amoeba, which became a fish. And then that fish magically grew a penis while another fish magically grew a vagina and low and behold, the Penis fish flopped out onto the shore on his back and Vagina fish flopped out right on top of him and POOF the Human Race was born!
Nice personal attack. And you call ME a troll.....
I haven't been nasty to anyone here, didn't accuse anyone of being stupid, but this is the third time I've been called dumb. Charming.
Is it part and parcel of being Christian? Being rude to people?
-- Edited by weltschmerz on Wednesday 15th of July 2015 07:41:33 PM
Isn't it funny when non-believers try to school believers on the Bible?
You know what's even funnier? Belief is often a matter of geography, rather than faith. If you had been born in the Middle East, you'd worship Allah and Mohammed. If you were born in Japan, you'd worship various Shinto animal deities. If you had been born in India, you'd be worshipping multi-limbed Elephant Gods, offering milk and honey to Ganesha at the temple and immersing the statue in the Ganges for ritual cleansing.
-- Edited by weltschmerz on Wednesday 15th of July 2015 03:30:03 PM
And that's why we send missionaries to those places. To teach them the truth.
Well, what makes you think your truth is THE truth? All the religions can't be right. They can all be wrong, however.
Several things.
First of all, Christianity is the only one that starts at the beginning. It starts well before the Birth of Christ with Adam and Eve--and Christ was present from the beginning.
All other religions except the Jewish start at a period of time in history with one person.
Second, all of the other religions are forged by man. Mohammed was a man. Buddha was a man. Confuscious was a man. Jesus Christ, however, was God.
Third, all those other dudes are dead. Jesus Christ died and rose again--and was seen by many.
You don't seem to know a whole lot about other religions. You think Hinduism doesn't have a beginning? You think the religion of Native Americans didn't have a beginning?
Christianity was also forged by man, mon ami.
So, then at least you are conceding on Adam and Eve. And, the Beginning, aka a God created Universe. Good for you Welts!
Nope, not even a little. I don't believe in Adam and Eve. I believe in evolution. I don't think a deity poofed a set of complete beings into existence.
How dumb are you? Even IF you believe in Evolution, there still had to be a FIRST man and a FIRST woman didnt' there? Some random soup of cells sat together, then life just happened, then these random cells became an amoeba, which became a fish. And then that fish magically grew a penis while another fish magically grew a vagina and low and behold, the Penis fish flopped out onto the shore on his back and Vagina fish flopped out right on top of him and POOF the Human Race was born!
Nice personal attack.
OH, gonna play victim now? Oh, ok. You freely attack me all over the internet where the boards are run by liberals who protect you. I see. Can dish it out but not take it? Uh huh.
I have a question. Many of you have children. Imagine, if you will, that your child is diagnosed with a terminal illness. There is a cure. Upon further investigation, you learn that the cure has come about because of medical research using human tissue samples, including embryonic tissue. ARE YOU GOING TO TURN IT DOWN? Are you going to let your child die? Be honest.
You question really doesn't make sense. Cures generally come about through years and years of research through lots of avenues and people. So, what are you asking exactly? Are you asking that in the event that an aborted fetus is curable, would you then opt to use it? Is that the question? Which still is a ridiculous question, because there isn't ANYBODY a mother bear wouldn't kill to save her cub. Which actually PROVES that the natural instinct of a mother is to Choose Life versus a mother who is CHOOSING to end her baby's life. So, what is your point? The disconnect isn't the person accepting treatment for her child. The disconnect is the mother who would voluntarily end her child's life in the first place.
For Welts. Try rereading.
Perhaps you should try rereading. My post had nothing to do with "curing aborted fetuses".
We're not "all over the boards". We're here. My reception had been less than pleasant. In any case, you're no stranger to playing the victim card.
Your reception was based on the opinions you CHOOSE to post. You know, you CHOOSE to post them. You could have come on to the daily thread and interacted pleasantly if you have choosen too as well.
I didn't come here to fight with you, believe it or not.
My initial interest stemmed from the poster saying that in Canada, we can't choose our own doctors, and nothing could be further from the truth. However, it took so long to be allowed in, I no longer remember which thread that was.
We've butted heads many times before. How about we just stay out of each other's way?
We're not "all over the boards". We're here. My reception had been less than pleasant. In any case, you're no stranger to playing the victim card.
Your reception was based on the opinions you CHOOSE to post. You know, you CHOOSE to post them. You could have come on to the daily thread and interacted pleasantly if you have choosen too as well.
I did post on the daily thread, You must have missed it.
I didn't come here to fight with you, believe it or not. My initial interest stemmed from the poster saying that in Canada, we can't choose our own doctors, and nothing could be further from the truth. However, it took so long to be allowed in, I no longer remember which thread that was. We've butted heads many times before. How about we just stay out of each other's way?
This is my primary board. I post, I chat, I debate, I laugh, I respond. If you are going to post opinions, then I and others will respond.
We're not "all over the boards". We're here. My reception had been less than pleasant. In any case, you're no stranger to playing the victim card.
Your reception was based on the opinions you CHOOSE to post. You know, you CHOOSE to post them. You could have come on to the daily thread and interacted pleasantly if you have choosen too as well.
I did post on the daily thread, You must have missed it.
Well, you said people were less than pleasant so I offered you up a pleasant place.
No, I pretty much live here. This board is my home. And, you are the one who keeps responding to me. You certainly don't have to quote or respond to my posts now do you?
Weltschmerz, LGS likes to argue for the sake of arguing. She'll debate you if you say the sun rises in the east....trust me on this.
I know,,,this isn't my first go-round. One minute she's sending me PMs about how we'd be such good friends in real life, and the next, she's calling me dumb. I'd prefer not dealing with someone so unstable.
Weltschmerz, LGS likes to argue for the sake of arguing. She'll debate you if you say the sun rises in the east....trust me on this.
I know,,,this isn't my first go-round. One minute she's sending me PMs about how we'd be such good friends in real life, and the next, she's calling me dumb. I'd prefer not dealing with someone so unstable.
Well, then how funny it is that you would find the main board I am on and join while pretending to want to avoid me! LMAO!!!!!!!!!!
So, Welts, if you want to get back to discussing abortion and planned parenthood and selling baby parts, which is the thread that I started (oh, and BTW, it is pretty obvious WHO started the thread) then by all means. But , obviously if I started a thread, then intend to be on here to talk about it.
Personally, I believe that Weltz came with the sole purpose of causing trouble.
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Whatever the reason, everyone needs to be respectful. There IS name calling going on and it's really not appropriate or warranted. If people have beefs with each other on another board (which is the vibe I'm getting) said people can leave it there.
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Was it a bad day?
Or was it a bad five minutes that you milked all day?
Whatever the reason, everyone needs to be respectful. There IS name calling going on and it's really not appropriate or warranted. If people have beefs with each other on another board (which is the vibe I'm getting) said people can leave it there.
OK, I used "dumb" and she used "unstable" so we are even steven and can move on back to the regularly scheduled discussions!
Whatever the reason, everyone needs to be respectful. There IS name calling going on and it's really not appropriate or warranted. If people have beefs with each other on another board (which is the vibe I'm getting) said people can leave it there.
OK, I used "dumb" and she used "unstable" so we are even steven and can move on back to the regularly scheduled discussions!
Sounds like a plan
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Was it a bad day?
Or was it a bad five minutes that you milked all day?
Most religions feature a god who rose from the dead. You have never heard that?
flan
No, they don't. Not ones who actually existed.
In your OPINION.
flan
So you can belive in a Mythological creature with no proof they ever existed, but you can not believe in a God who walked the planet and is documented in historical accounts.
Interesting.
Historical records? The bible is not a history book. It's a book of fables.
Try again. There are over 57 HUNDRED manuscripts in Greek alone which mention Jesus Christ--all dated between 60 and 300 A.D.
Combining all languages from that time period, there are over 48 THOUSAND that attest to the fact that Jesus Christ existed.
That is more than ONE THOUSAND times as many that attest to Aristotle ever having existed.
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
Isn't it funny when non-believers try to school believers on the Bible?
You know what's even funnier? Belief is often a matter of geography, rather than faith. If you had been born in the Middle East, you'd worship Allah and Mohammed. If you were born in Japan, you'd worship various Shinto animal deities. If you had been born in India, you'd be worshipping multi-limbed Elephant Gods, offering milk and honey to Ganesha at the temple and immersing the statue in the Ganges for ritual cleansing.
-- Edited by weltschmerz on Wednesday 15th of July 2015 03:30:03 PM
And that's why we send missionaries to those places. To teach them the truth.
Well, what makes you think your truth is THE truth? All the religions can't be right. They can all be wrong, however.
Several things.
First of all, Christianity is the only one that starts at the beginning. It starts well before the Birth of Christ with Adam and Eve--and Christ was present from the beginning.
All other religions except the Jewish start at a period of time in history with one person.
Second, all of the other religions are forged by man. Mohammed was a man. Buddha was a man. Confuscious was a man. Jesus Christ, however, was God.
Third, all those other dudes are dead. Jesus Christ died and rose again--and was seen by many.
You don't seem to know a whole lot about other religions. You think Hinduism doesn't have a beginning? You think the religion of Native Americans didn't have a beginning?
Christianity was also forged by man, mon ami.
I didn't say they didn't have A beginning. I said they don't start at THE beginning. Try reading.
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
Isn't it funny when non-believers try to school believers on the Bible?
You know what's even funnier? Belief is often a matter of geography, rather than faith. If you had been born in the Middle East, you'd worship Allah and Mohammed. If you were born in Japan, you'd worship various Shinto animal deities. If you had been born in India, you'd be worshipping multi-limbed Elephant Gods, offering milk and honey to Ganesha at the temple and immersing the statue in the Ganges for ritual cleansing.
-- Edited by weltschmerz on Wednesday 15th of July 2015 03:30:03 PM
And that's why we send missionaries to those places. To teach them the truth.
Well, what makes you think your truth is THE truth? All the religions can't be right. They can all be wrong, however.
Several things.
First of all, Christianity is the only one that starts at the beginning. It starts well before the Birth of Christ with Adam and Eve--and Christ was present from the beginning.
All other religions except the Jewish start at a period of time in history with one person.
Second, all of the other religions are forged by man. Mohammed was a man. Buddha was a man. Confuscious was a man. Jesus Christ, however, was God.
Third, all those other dudes are dead. Jesus Christ died and rose again--and was seen by many.
You don't seem to know a whole lot about other religions. You think Hinduism doesn't have a beginning? You think the religion of Native Americans didn't have a beginning?
Christianity was also forged by man, mon ami.
So, then at least you are conceding on Adam and Eve. And, the Beginning, aka a God created Universe. Good for you Welts!
Nope, not even a little. I don't believe in Adam and Eve. I believe in evolution. I don't think a deity poofed a set of complete beings into existence.
How dumb are you? Even IF you believe in Evolution, there still had to be a FIRST man and a FIRST woman didnt' there? Some random soup of cells sat together, then life just happened, then these random cells became an amoeba, which became a fish. And then that fish magically grew a penis while another fish magically grew a vagina and low and behold, the Penis fish flopped out onto the shore on his back and Vagina fish flopped out right on top of him and POOF the Human Race was born!
Nice personal attack. And you call ME a troll.....
I haven't been nasty to anyone here, didn't accuse anyone of being stupid, but this is the third time I've been called dumb. Charming.
Is it part and parcel of being Christian? Being rude to people?
-- Edited by weltschmerz on Wednesday 15th of July 2015 07:41:33 PM
When you call something that someone deeply believes in a "bunch of fairy tales"--that IS a personal attack AND it is being rude.
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
Most religions feature a god who rose from the dead. You have never heard that?
flan
No, they don't. Not ones who actually existed.
In your OPINION.
flan
So you can belive in a Mythological creature with no proof they ever existed, but you can not believe in a God who walked the planet and is documented in historical accounts.
Interesting.
Historical records? The bible is not a history book. It's a book of fables.
Try again. There are over 57 HUNDRED manuscripts in Greek alone which mention Jesus Christ--all dated between 60 and 300 A.D.
Combining all languages from that time period, there are over 48 THOUSAND that attest to the fact that Jesus Christ existed.
That is more than ONE THOUSAND times as many that attest to Aristotle ever having existed.
AGAIN, I'll concede that Jesus may have existed. What I'm questioning is whether or not he was a deity. There were lots of prophets around in those days.
I'm just pointing out how offensive your remarks are...especially since you are "new" here and pretend to be all sparkles and rainbows. You insult the majority, be prepared to be challenged...
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