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Southern_Belle


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This was a letter to the editor in our local paper. 

 

 

I am pleased to hear that Confederate flags are being removed from government land and from retail shelves all over this nation.

I would like to suggest one more symbol of the past that should probably be removed, and that is using the word "plantation" in neighborhood names.

Plantations existed because there was slave labor to keep that system alive and if the owners had had to pay a fair wage, very few plantations could have survived.

It will be expensive with legal work, logo changes, sign changes, map corrections, but I believe it will be worth the investment.

I am a transplanted Northerner and live in a "plantation." I was oblivious to the name when I first moved to this beautiful area, but as I became aware of the not-so-nice side of local history, the term "plantation" became an embarrassment to me. I wonder how offensive the word is for a significant portion of our citizens.

The neighborhood names could be changed in a number of ways. Hilton Head Plantation could become Hilton Head Place and still remain HHP. Sea Pines Plantation could become what most people already call it, Sea Pines. Indigo Run and Palmetto Hall could do likewise.

Is this a discussion we should be having as we move forward doing large and small things to improve race relations and make amends for the sins of our ancestors?

Hilton Head Island

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My response to the letter suggesting the word "plantation" be removed from gated communities? Ridiculous.

The word plantation means: 1) a large farm or estate especially in a tropical or semitropical country, on which cotton, tobacco, coffee, sugar cane, or the like is cultivated, or 2) a group of planted trees or plants. That's what the word means.

There are numerous plantations in the U.S. that are national memorials or historic landmarks listed on the National Register of Historic Places.

Should all those names be changed?

Hilton Head Island

 


Read more here: http://www.islandpacket.com/2015/07/15/3837607/letter-to-erase-plantation-a-ridiculous.html?rh=1#storylink=cpy


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How ridiculous. 

 

I hope all these idiots are ready for the backlash that's building. 

 

NONE of this kind of crap is going to do anything to help ease what ever racism they feel. It's just making the problem worse

 



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Sorry, it's a little messy. This is, we still have working plantations all over this area. Should they get rid of the word plantation that has been part of the family business for over a century?

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How ridiculous. 

 

I hope all these idiots are ready for the backlash that's building. 

 

NONE of this kind of crap is going to do anything to help ease what ever racism they feel. It's just making the problem worse

 

 EXACTLY.  I'm starting not to like a lot of people, not because of the color of their skin, but because of their entitlement mentality.  But then they would turn that around and call me a racist.

 

Kind of like people saying that I didn't vote for Obama because he's black.  No, I didn't vote for him because he's liberal.  Skin color had not a damn thing to do with it...



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What I find so absurd is the fact that stuff that was "ok" a few short weeks ago is now supposedly so horrifying.

I guess on some level I can get taking the Confederate Navy Jack off the State Capitol buildings. Such buildings are supposed to represent all the people of the state, and the fact is, that emblem does not.

However, some stupid TV show? If the Duke boys are so offensive now, then why weren't they offensive a month or two ago? Because the liberals didn't think of it? Just because some kid who had NOTHING to do with that TV show shot some people?

Again, I don't have an issue with people protesting for their views--but they have no damn sense. They take it to the point of absurdity by wanting to erase monuments, ban TV shows, in short--try to change history.



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SB,

I think that a small part of it is that people don't know how to deal with the murder of innocent people in a Church. They are over-reacting because they feel powerless.

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husker, how in the world does banning a stupid TV show erase history?

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SB,

I think that a small part of it is that people don't know how to deal with the murder of innocent people in a Church. They are over-reacting because they feel powerless.

flan

They are powerless.  You can't prevent every bad thing from happening. 

 

From Sandy Hook, to the Boston bombers, to this--bad things are going to happen sometime.  They are all epic tragedies, but to pretend that gun control, or banning some flags, or even tighter security is going to prevent such things from happening is an illusion--and a delusion.   



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husker, how in the world does banning a stupid TV show erase history?

flan

It's not just that.  They are trying to ban all traces of the flag from--everywhere--as if it never existed.  As if the events that happened when our nation was divided never happened.

 

It's pointless and absurd. 

 

Again, I have no problem with taking them down from State Capitol buildings, but to take down monuments and ban TV shows is ridiculous.

 

What are you going to do?  Take all the monuments to Confederate soldiers at Gettysburg down and leave the Union ones?  Dig up all the Confederate soldiers buried there and dump them in a mass, unmarked grave?

 

The stupidity has to stop somewhere.   



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flan327 wrote:

husker, how in the world does banning a stupid TV show erase history?

flan

 That tv show was wholesome and awesome. 

Sorry. I love that show.



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husker, how in the world does banning a stupid TV show erase history?

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 That tv show was wholesome and awesome. 

Sorry. I love that show.

Meh.  It was corny and over-acted--but, it was all in good fun.  It was NOT a racist show.  It really only rarely touched on Southern heritage, and what it did centered around running moonshine and not slaves picking cotton.   



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huskerbb wrote:
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husker, how in the world does banning a stupid TV show erase history?

flan

 That tv show was wholesome and awesome. 

Sorry. I love that show.

Meh.  It was corny and over-acted--but, it was all in good fun.  It was NOT a racist show.  It really only rarely touched on Southern heritage, and what it did centered around running moonshine and not slaves picking cotton.   

 I was a kid when it came on. 

And Bo was beautiful. 

Not to mention the car.

That car was and is sexy.



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But then what will we call plantations, the fruit? Deleting words from our language because they may have a connection to a time in history a long time ago is ridiculous. Let's get rid of the words chastity and belt. Those offend me as a woman. What other words should we get rid of?

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I know what to do_sometimes wrote:

But then what will we call plantations, the fruit? Deleting words from our language because they may have a connection to a time in history a long time ago is ridiculous. Let's get rid of the words chastity and belt. Those offend me as a woman. What other words should we get rid of?

I've never heard of a fruit called plantations. Did you mean plantains?

I'm wondering what will happen with the Souplantation restaurant chain. Maybe Soupland? The Last Souper? Soupernatural?



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weltschmerz wrote:
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But then what will we call plantations, the fruit? Deleting words from our language because they may have a connection to a time in history a long time ago is ridiculous. Let's get rid of the words chastity and belt. Those offend me as a woman. What other words should we get rid of?

I've never heard of a fruit called plantations. Did you mean plantains?

I'm wondering what will happen with the Souplantation restaurant chain. Maybe Soupland? The Last Souper? Soupernatural?

 Plantations are pretty much farms. Where I live they grow strawberries,  tomatoes,  watermelon, and at one point they even grew rice. It's a southern thing. Think Gone With the Wind era. Now there are planned communities who use the word plantation when naming them. 



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We had a new neighborhood named that about 10 years ago - people threw a fit, and they changed the name of the later phases of the neighborhood from plantation to place.

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But then what will we call plantations, the fruit? Deleting words from our language because they may have a connection to a time in history a long time ago is ridiculous. Let's get rid of the words chastity and belt. Those offend me as a woman. What other words should we get rid of?

I've never heard of a fruit called plantations. Did you mean plantains?

I'm wondering what will happen with the Souplantation restaurant chain. Maybe Soupland? The Last Souper? Soupernatural?


 How DARE you!!!!



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lilyofcourse wrote:
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But then what will we call plantations, the fruit? Deleting words from our language because they may have a connection to a time in history a long time ago is ridiculous. Let's get rid of the words chastity and belt. Those offend me as a woman. What other words should we get rid of?

I've never heard of a fruit called plantations. Did you mean plantains?

I'm wondering what will happen with the Souplantation restaurant chain. Maybe Soupland? The Last Souper? Soupernatural?


 How DARE you!!!!

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I'm not following...... 



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LOL!

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No. No. No.

They should NOT be covered in soup!

Cotton candy maybe.



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Ah! It's a show, then? I haven't seen it.

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It is more than a show.

It's a family.



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Never heard of it...

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welts and ohfour - you are deprived. Even if you don't like the premise of the show, they are so very nice to watch.

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welts and ohfour - you are deprived. Even if you don't like the premise of the show, they are so very nice to watch.

 It's not about the premise of the show. I haven't seen it up here. Maybe it's available with another cable package. It's not available to me.

If it's a sci-fi, zombie/vampire/preternatural premise, I'm in. I love that chit.



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I am so disappointed.

218 episodes, 10 seasons. Season 11 is in production right now and will debut in

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welts and ohfour - you are deprived. Even if you don't like the premise of the show, they are so very nice to watch.

 It's not about the premise of the show. I haven't seen it up here. Maybe it's available with another cable package. It's not available to me.

If it's a sci-fi, zombie/vampire/preternatural premise, I'm in. I love that chit.

 Yes, yes, yes, yes, and with angels and the devil and demons, too.  And werewolves.  And other stuff.



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welts and ohfour - you are deprived. Even if you don't like the premise of the show, they are so very nice to watch.

 It's not about the premise of the show. I haven't seen it up here. Maybe it's available with another cable package. It's not available to me.

If it's a sci-fi, zombie/vampire/preternatural premise, I'm in. I love that chit.

 It's filmed in Vancouver. 

Seasons 1-9 is on Netflix. 

It's like a weekly monster hunt movie. 

And they are just the best cast.

Have you heard of To write love on her arms? Jared Padalecki, he plays Sam, has personal depression issues. He has partnered with TWLOHA and created the Always Keep Fighting fundraiser. It has raised tens of thousands of dollars for helping those with MI.

 

And then there is Misha Collins and his charities. Random Acts. And GISHWHES.

And top of all of that, they love their fans. It's obvious they truly care about them. 

And they are very pleasing to the eye.

Even the older charcters.



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LMBO!!! LL gives the short answer.

I give an essay.

I'm hopeless.

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Lawyerlady wrote:
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welts and ohfour - you are deprived. Even if you don't like the premise of the show, they are so very nice to watch.

 It's not about the premise of the show. I haven't seen it up here. Maybe it's available with another cable package. It's not available to me.

If it's a sci-fi, zombie/vampire/preternatural premise, I'm in. I love that chit.

 Yes, yes, yes, yes, and with angels and the devil and demons, too.  And werewolves.  And other stuff.

Cool! Any time travel thrown in the mix, like Dr.Who? 



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weltschmerz wrote:
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weltschmerz wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:

welts and ohfour - you are deprived. Even if you don't like the premise of the show, they are so very nice to watch.

 It's not about the premise of the show. I haven't seen it up here. Maybe it's available with another cable package. It's not available to me.

If it's a sci-fi, zombie/vampire/preternatural premise, I'm in. I love that chit.

 Yes, yes, yes, yes, and with angels and the devil and demons, too.  And werewolves.  And other stuff.

Cool! Any time travel thrown in the mix, like Dr.Who? 

 YES!

You gotta watch it from the beginning though.

 



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Actually, Mark A. Shepard is now a regular on Supernatural as Crowley, king of Hell.



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weltschmerz wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:

welts and ohfour - you are deprived. Even if you don't like the premise of the show, they are so very nice to watch.

 It's not about the premise of the show. I haven't seen it up here. Maybe it's available with another cable package. It's not available to me.

If it's a sci-fi, zombie/vampire/preternatural premise, I'm in. I love that chit.

 Yes, yes, yes, yes, and with angels and the devil and demons, too.  And werewolves.  And other stuff.

Cool! Any time travel thrown in the mix, like Dr.Who? 

Welts, are you into Outlander?  ALL of my Canadian friends are Outlander crazy.  One even drove here to a book signing by the author... 



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Actually, Mark A. Shepard is now a regular on Supernatural as Crowley, king of Hell.

Lily,

I just realized that your avatar is not a scarf...disbelief 



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Actually, Mark A. Shepard is now a regular on Supernatural as Crowley, king of Hell.

Lily,

I just realized that your avatar is not a scarf...disbelief 

 Ha! I've been thinking the same thing!

I've been meaning to change it. 

It was a really pretty bird picture when it was bigger.



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weltschmerz wrote:
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weltschmerz wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:

welts and ohfour - you are deprived. Even if you don't like the premise of the show, they are so very nice to watch.

 It's not about the premise of the show. I haven't seen it up here. Maybe it's available with another cable package. It's not available to me.

If it's a sci-fi, zombie/vampire/preternatural premise, I'm in. I love that chit.

 Yes, yes, yes, yes, and with angels and the devil and demons, too.  And werewolves.  And other stuff.

Cool! Any time travel thrown in the mix, like Dr.Who? 

Welts, are you into Outlander?  ALL of my Canadian friends are Outlander crazy.  One even drove here to a book signing by the author... 

 This is hilarious to me.  I read that book 20 years ago.



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weltschmerz wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:

welts and ohfour - you are deprived. Even if you don't like the premise of the show, they are so very nice to watch.

 It's not about the premise of the show. I haven't seen it up here. Maybe it's available with another cable package. It's not available to me.

If it's a sci-fi, zombie/vampire/preternatural premise, I'm in. I love that chit.

 Yes, yes, yes, yes, and with angels and the devil and demons, too.  And werewolves.  And other stuff.

Cool! Any time travel thrown in the mix, like Dr.Who? 

Welts, are you into Outlander?  ALL of my Canadian friends are Outlander crazy.  One even drove here to a book signing by the author... 

I haven't seen that, either. Maybe it's more of a thing on the west coast... I dunno. The Sci-Fi channel I get plays a lot of British shows, like Primeval, Being Human, In The Flesh, etc.  The Brits are really good at it.



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In The Flesh is a current favourite of mine.

The show, set in the fictional village of Roarton, Lancashire, though filmed in Marsden, West Yorkshire,[7] depicts life after "The Rising". During The Rising, deceased teenager Kieren Walker and thousands of other people who died in 2009 were re-animated as rabid zombies. The re-animated people were hunted down during "The Pale Wars" by armed militias. A medication was found to bring consciousness back to the undead, returning their minds to who they were before dying. The undead that were not killed by the militias were then rounded up and were given medication and rehabilitation by the government in a plan to reintroduce them to society. They are given contact lenses, cosmetics, and daily injections of medication to help them conceal their deceased status. They are officially referred to as sufferers of Partially Deceased Syndrome (PDS), and pejoratively known as "rotters". Many are haunted by returning memories of the atrocities they committed while rabid. In the village of Roarton, PDS sufferers face prejudice from the villagers upon their return.

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Jesse likes Primeval.

I've seen Being Human. It was too......I don't know, Friendsish to me.


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welts and ohfour - you are deprived. Even if you don't like the premise of the show, they are so very nice to watch.

 It's not about the premise of the show. I haven't seen it up here. Maybe it's available with another cable package. It's not available to me.

If it's a sci-fi, zombie/vampire/preternatural premise, I'm in. I love that chit.

 Yes, yes, yes, yes, and with angels and the devil and demons, too.  And werewolves.  And other stuff.

Cool! Any time travel thrown in the mix, like Dr.Who? 

Welts, are you into Outlander?  ALL of my Canadian friends are Outlander crazy.  One even drove here to a book signing by the author... 

I haven't seen that, either. Maybe it's more of a thing on the west coast... I dunno. The Sci-Fi channel I get plays a lot of British shows, like Primeval, Being Human, In The Flesh, etc.  The Brits are really good at it.

It's actually a book that they made into a TV show.  All of my friends are in eastern Canada.  I don't think we have any friends in the west... 



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lilyofcourse wrote:

Jesse likes Primeval.

I've seen Being Human. It was too......I don't know, Friendsish to me.

I really liked the Swedish version... Äkta människor. It was much different than the English version. Excellent! 

Anyone watch Orphan Black? Another BBC gem.           



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We're into Wentworth. Its a much better OITNB. Finished season 2 last night.



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Lawyerlady wrote:

welts and ohfour - you are deprived. Even if you don't like the premise of the show, they are so very nice to watch.

Every show is pretty much the same.

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flan327 wrote:
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welts and ohfour - you are deprived. Even if you don't like the premise of the show, they are so very nice to watch.

Every show is pretty much the same.

flan 

 Yep. Two brothers in a different town, meeting new people, fighting a different monster, while developing a larger story arc, and watching the relationship of the brothers develop and change and grow.

Yep. The same each week.



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Oh and there isn't any of that love interest drama.

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Well.

There is Cas and Dean.

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