TOTALLY GEEKED!

weltschmerz wrote:

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If mutalating [sic] themselves brings them some measure of peace, then who am I to say it's wrong? People do what's right for them.

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 Then why does that illogic not then apply to the aforementioned liposuction and b00b jobs?

Suicide rates for trans that actually get surgery are extremely high. They think it's going to "fix" them, and when it doesn't, they lose all hope.

It's a mental illness that needs treatment - not enablement.

You do now.

DH and I recently watched a show about teenagers who think they're bi, gay, or transgendered. They found that over fifty percent of them changed their mind once their hormones settled down.

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huskerbb wrote:

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weltschmerz wrote:

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If mutalating [sic] themselves brings them some measure of peace, then who am I to say it's wrong? People do what's right for them.

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 Then why does that illogic not then apply to the aforementioned liposuction and b00b jobs?

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So you with your psychology degree and all that stuff think it's perfectly OK for a person to cut themselves?  People are forced into treatment because of that.  Yet you approve?  I'm starting to doubt that degree you say you have... 

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One is gender dysphoria, while the other is body dysmorphia. They are not the same thing.

Gender dysphoria is not a mental illness. Simples. 

I'm s glad you know more than a battalion of medical professionals.

If mutalating [sic] themselves brings them some measure of peace, then who am I to say it's wrong? People do what's right for them.

So, it's OK for some people (the ones you cater to) to mutilate their bodies, but not others (the ones you disagree with)?

 

I have YET to come across a more hypocritical statement in my life.  It would be funny if it wasn't so terribly sad...and rather disgusting...

weltschmerz wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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weltschmerz wrote:

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If mutalating [sic] themselves brings them some measure of peace, then who am I to say it's wrong? People do what's right for them.

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 Then why does that illogic not then apply to the aforementioned liposuction and b00b jobs?

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So you with your psychology degree and all that stuff think it's perfectly OK for a person to cut themselves?  People are forced into treatment because of that.  Yet you approve?  I'm starting to doubt that degree you say you have... 

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One is gender dysphoria, while the other is body dysmorphia. They are not the same thing.

Gender dysphoria is not a mental illness. Simples. 

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 Yes, it is.  

weltschmerz wrote:

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I'm s glad you know more than a battalion of medical professionals.

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 I know more than you. That's for sure.

weltschmerz wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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weltschmerz wrote:

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If mutalating [sic] themselves brings them some measure of peace, then who am I to say it's wrong? People do what's right for them.

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 Then why does that illogic not then apply to the aforementioned liposuction and b00b jobs?

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So you with your psychology degree and all that stuff think it's perfectly OK for a person to cut themselves?  People are forced into treatment because of that.  Yet you approve?  I'm starting to doubt that degree you say you have... 

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One is gender dysphoria, while the other is body dysmorphia. They are not the same thing.

Gender dysphoria is not a mental illness. Simples. 

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 Gender dysphoria is a new classification that the psychiatric community created under political correctness pressure.  And the plain fact is that if you still WANT treatment for it - it can still be classified as a mental illness so you can get your therapy covered.  That kind of wishy-washy classification system doesn't sit well. 

weltschmerz wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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If mutalating [sic] themselves brings them some measure of peace, then who am I to say it's wrong? People do what's right for them.

So, it's OK for some people (the ones you cater to) to mutilate their bodies, but not others (the ones you disagree with)?

 

I have YET to come across a more hypocritical statement in my life.  It would be funny if it wasn't so terribly sad...and rather disgusting...

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If someone wants to mutilate themselves with giant piercings or tattoos, who am I to stop them or say it's wrong? However, things like anorexia nervosa or hacking off a limb are considered body dysmorphic issues and are mental illnesses. They can be fixed.

If people are just going to mock the medical community and call them stupid and brainless, or call me a hypocrite, then I'm done with this thread.

You don't want to learn? OK. No skin off my nose. Keep calling them freaks and perverts in your ignorance.

Have a nice day.

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I'm talking about cutting.  Ever heard of that?  It's doesn't maim, it doesn't kill.  Really no different than tattooing or piercing.  How do you feel about cutters? 

So you retract your earlier statement...

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So you retract your earlier statement...

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Not at all. When mutilating themselves was brought up, nobody mentioned cutters. I took it to mean things like giant piercings. Cutters are another matter. It IS a mental illness.

Lawyerlady wrote:

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And the Distinguished Service Professsor of Psychology and former phsychiatrist in chief at John's Hopkins states it is a mental disorder and that "people who promote sexual reassignment surgery are collaborating with and promoting a mental disorder."

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Lol!

"Dr. Paul McHugh, retired from psychiatry at Johns Hopkins Hospital..."

Dr. McHugh is a self-described orthodox Catholic whose radical views are well documented. In his role as part of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops' review board, he pushed the idea that the Catholic sex-abuse scandal was not about pedophilia but about "homosexual predation on American Catholic youth." He filed an amicus brief arguing in favor of Proposition 8 on the basis that homosexuality is a "choice." Additionally, McHugh was in favor of forcing a pregnant 10-year-old girl who had been raped by an adult relative to carry to term.

If you want a detailed analysis of how Dr. McHugh has misrepresented data, rigged studies, left out significant details in his research, and is nothing more than a poorly regarded fringe element in his own field, you can read about it here, here, here, here, here, and here. No secular medical or mental-health organization agrees with him. Even his own (former) department denounced his stance in testimony before the Maryland Senate. Court cases looking at transgender medical issues have found his work unpersuasive.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brynn-tannehill/fighting-back-against-ant_b_5633450.html

 

 

 

 

 

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Hmmm...I happen to agree with him...Huffpo says they are radical. *eyeroll* Mainstream America thinks what he says is absolutely spot on...

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Well, of course you do! I'm not the least bit surprised that you would agree with a radical religious fundamentalist. His work has been debunked time and time again, but don't let that stop you. 

Lawyerlady wrote:

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They denounced him so much, he's still on staff.....

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 Amazing, isn't it?   And he's still publishing peer reviews article in Journals. 

 

Read. Learn.

www.transadvocate.com/clinging-to-a-dangerous-past-dr-paul-mchughs-selective-reading-of-transgender-medical-literature_n_13842.htm

thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/06/10/3668041/paul-mchugh-transgender/

weltschmerz wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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So you retract your earlier statement...

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Not at all. When mutilating themselves was brought up, nobody mentioned cutters. I took it to mean things like giant piercings. Cutters are another matter. It IS a mental illness.

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 So is chopping off your wiener.

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So? You can provide some studies (the articles are obviously slanted, look where they come from), I can provide studies that say the exact opposite.

I don't care what you say, a male is a male. His DNA is male. Period. If he was blown up in a terrorist attack and the only thing left was a toe, he would be classified and identified as a male. No matter what parts he had lopped off or what the described himself as, or how he felt, he is a male. Thinking you are a female and chopping off your wiener does not make you female...

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Right. The articles are slanted. And the good doctor isn't biased AT ALL with his religious fundamentalism. Nope, not even a little.

weltschmerz wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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So? You can provide some studies (the articles are obviously slanted, look where they come from), I can provide studies that say the exact opposite.

I don't care what you say, a male is a male. His DNA is male. Period. If he was blown up in a terrorist attack and the only thing left was a toe, he would be classified and identified as a male. No matter what parts he had lopped off or what the described himself as, or how he felt, he is a male. Thinking you are a female and chopping off your wiener does not make you female...

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Right. The articles are slanted. And the good doctor isn't biased AT ALL with his religious fundamentalism. Nope, not even a little.

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 And the trans-gender community isn't biased at all in attempting to discredit the man.

Ohfour wrote:

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Still can't change the DNA...

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No, you can't. And.....? 

weltschmerz wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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Still can't change the DNA...

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No, you can't. And.....? 

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A male is a male, with or without his member...just because you call yourself a female doesn't make you one... 

weltschmerz wrote:

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Religious fundamentalists don't like gays and trans people. So, the doctor set out to "prove" some bullchit, and he didn't care if he had to lie, misrepresent and cheat to do it.

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 Where is the evidence of this?  Because I find it hard to believe he'd still be on staff at Johns Hopkins as their Distinguished Service Professor if that was proven.

Forget the articles and other stuff. Here is the official DSM statement on it.

In the upcoming fifth edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5),
people whose gender at birth is contrary to the one they identify with will be diagnosed with gender
dysphoria. This diagnosis is a revision of DSM-IV’s criteria for gender identity disorder and is intended
to better characterize the experiences of affected children, adolescents, and adults.

DSM not only determines how mental disorders are defined and diagnosed, it also impacts how people
see themselves and how we see each other. While diagnostic terms facilitate clinical care and access to
insurance coverage that supports mental health, these terms can also have a stigmatizing effect.

DSM-5 aims to avoid stigma and ensure clinical care for individuals who see and feel themselves to be a
different gender than their assigned gender. It replaces the diagnostic name “gender identity disorder”
with “gender dysphoria,” as well as makes other important clarifications in the criteria. It is important
to note that gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder. The critical element of gender dysphoria
is the presence of clinically significant distress associated with the condition.