TOTALLY GEEKED!

lilyofcourse wrote:

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weltschmerz wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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So you retract your earlier statement...

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Not at all. When mutilating themselves was brought up, nobody mentioned cutters. I took it to mean things like giant piercings. Cutters are another matter. It IS a mental illness.

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Oh noes! Not a childish, passive-aggressive meme!!  Well, you win the interwebz! Can't argue with that!

AGAIN, gender dysphoria is not the same as body dysmorphia. Look it up. Oh, you don't have to, what with being smarter than the majority of the medical community.

You just don't like or understand gays and trans people.  Oh well, you know what they say...
The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of an eye. The more light you shine on it, the more it constricts."

I'm taking leave of this thread before some of you go blind altogether.

weltschmerz wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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weltschmerz wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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So you retract your earlier statement...

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Not at all. When mutilating themselves was brought up, nobody mentioned cutters. I took it to mean things like giant piercings. Cutters are another matter. It IS a mental illness.

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Oh noes! Not a childish, passive-aggressive meme!!  Well, you win the interwebz! Can't argue with that!

AGAIN, gender dysphoria is not the same as body dysmorphia. Look it up. Oh, you don't have to, what with being smarter than the majority of the medical community.

You just don't like or understand gays and trans people.  Oh well, you know what they say...
The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of an eye. The more light you shine on it, the more it constricts."

I'm taking leave of this thread before some of you go blind altogether.

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 And that's the hypocritical liberal mantra.  Everyone must agree with their narrow world view or they get called hateful or bigot or some other such nonsense term.  They can't stand disagreement.  

jlbear71 wrote:

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Forget the articles and other stuff. Here is the official DSM statement on it.

In the upcoming fifth edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5),
people whose gender at birth is contrary to the one they identify with will be diagnosed with gender
dysphoria. This diagnosis is a revision of DSM-IV’s criteria for gender identity disorder and is intended
to better characterize the experiences of affected children, adolescents, and adults.

DSM not only determines how mental disorders are defined and diagnosed, it also impacts how people
see themselves and how we see each other. While diagnostic terms facilitate clinical care and access to
insurance coverage that supports mental health, these terms can also have a stigmatizing effect.

DSM-5 aims to avoid stigma and ensure clinical care for individuals who see and feel themselves to be a
different gender than their assigned gender. It replaces the diagnostic name “gender identity disorder”
with “gender dysphoria,” as well as makes other important clarifications in the criteria. It is important
to note that gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder. The critical element of gender dysphoria
is the presence of clinically significant distress associated with the condition.

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 Where is the rest of that statement?  The part where they will still classify it as a disorder if people want to receive treatment for it?

weltschmerz wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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weltschmerz wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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So you retract your earlier statement...

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Not at all. When mutilating themselves was brought up, nobody mentioned cutters. I took it to mean things like giant piercings. Cutters are another matter. It IS a mental illness.

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Oh noes! Not a childish, passive-aggressive meme!!  Well, you win the interwebz! Can't argue with that!

AGAIN, gender dysphoria is not the same as body dysmorphia. Look it up. Oh, you don't have to, what with being smarter than the majority of the medical community.

You just don't like or understand gays and trans people.  Oh well, you know what they say...
The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of an eye. The more light you shine on it, the more it constricts."

I'm taking leave of this thread before some of you go blind altogether.

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 If you dont agree with welts then you are a " hater" and dont like gay or trans people.

lilyofcourse wrote:

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So you change the wording and poof it's no longer a mental illness?

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 I have no respect for a medical association that bows to politically correct peer pressure in dealing with medical diagnoses.

You can put lace on a bowling bowl. But, it's still a bowling ball. - Lady Gaga Snerd

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It may still be a bowling ball, but will it still be able to roll down the alley covered in lace?

I don't know of anyone who would think tattoos or piercings when they hear mutalation. - lilyofcourse

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Unfortunately I have come across a few. They were the kind of Christians that give average Christians a bad name. Not quite as bad as Westboro, but moving in that general direction. I've even seen them pull out crosses to ward off evil, like a Christian might do if attacked by Dracula, when confronted by heavily tattooed people. Strange people those were. Very strange.

Along these lines...

Have you seen previews for the show, I Am Jazz?

It about a 14 year old boy that lives as a girl. She is dumbfounded and hurt that all of her girlfriends are being flirted with and being asked to dances, but they boys won't even talk to her. Dead serious...

Honey, you are a boy. You can wear a dress and grow your hair long, but you are a boy. And the vast majority of boys are not homosexual. They don't want to make out with another boy. If you are hurting now, well, it's not going to get any better. Your parents coddled your misguided emotions. They are 100% to blame for this...

Well, personally I have a different view. I think that these kids feel that from a very early age, like 2 or 3. This isn't something that just comes about when they are teenagers. As soon as kids are self aware, they know if they are a boy or a girl and they know if others are a boy or a girl.

just Czech wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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weltschmerz wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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weltschmerz wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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So you retract your earlier statement...

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Not at all. When mutilating themselves was brought up, nobody mentioned cutters. I took it to mean things like giant piercings. Cutters are another matter. It IS a mental illness.

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Oh noes! Not a childish, passive-aggressive meme!!  Well, you win the interwebz! Can't argue with that!

AGAIN, gender dysphoria is not the same as body dysmorphia. Look it up. Oh, you don't have to, what with being smarter than the majority of the medical community.

You just don't like or understand gays and trans people.  Oh well, you know what they say...
The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of an eye. The more light you shine on it, the more it constricts."

I'm taking leave of this thread before some of you go blind altogether.

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 If you dont agree with welts then you are a " hater" and dont like gay or trans people.

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I think she considers us bigots. Typical ubber liberal mantra. 

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it's the same old Liberal spew.  If you disagree with whatever it is,  then you are a "hater" of everything.  It is very childish.  Kind of like an argument a 2nd grader would make. 

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Well, personally I have a different view. I think that these kids feel that from a very early age, like 2 or 3. This isn't something that just comes about when they are teenagers. As soon as kids are self aware, they know if they are a boy or a girl and they know if others are a boy or a girl.

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 BS.  Lots of kids play dress up when they are little.  many little boys put on a dress, have a big sister or aunt put make-up on them, and pretend they are girls.  It's called little kids playing make-believe.

 

my niece said she was a puppy for more than a week--it doesn't mean we should put her on a leash and walk her, or feed her puppy chow.

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You don't seem to understand my point.  Kids KNOW what gender they are.  They self identify.  No amount of play dressing up would convince my son that he is a girl and nor my daughter a boy. 

huskerbb wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Well, personally I have a different view. I think that these kids feel that from a very early age, like 2 or 3. This isn't something that just comes about when they are teenagers. As soon as kids are self aware, they know if they are a boy or a girl and they know if others are a boy or a girl.

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 BS.  Lots of kids play dress up when they are little.  many little boys put on a dress, have a big sister or aunt put make-up on them, and pretend they are girls.  It's called little kids playing make-believe.

 

my niece said she was a puppy for more than a week--it doesn't mean we should put her on a leash and walk her, or feed her puppy chow.

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You don't seem to understand my point.  Kids KNOW what gender they are.  They self identify.  No amount of play dressing up would convince my son that he is a girl and nor my daughter a boy. 

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 But that's what they are saying.

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No, it isn't what they are saying.  Kids adamantly KNOW to their core what gender they are.  These kids do not.  Big difference. 

I've known a lot of drag queens. They know they are men. They like to play the part of a woman at times. I know who is so good at it, he is two totally different people. It's sometimes scary how polar opposite he can be.

But these people who want to physically remove body parts, create parts, that's not a healthy mindset.

As for Jenner, he is a drag queen.

lilyofcourse wrote:

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I've known a lot of drag queens. They know they are men. They like to play the part of a woman at times. I know who is so good at it, he is two totally different people. It's sometimes scary how polar opposite he can be.

But these people who want to physically remove body parts, create parts, that's not a healthy mindset.

As for Jenner, he is a drag queen.

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 DH used to work on the fire department with a guy who did drag queen stuff.  These men weren't gay.  It was a hobby.  Just like fishing or hunting.  His friend eventually had to quit the fire department because he was making more money with the pageants than he was at the fire department.  Now he exclusively sets up pageants and makes in the three digits salary.  But it's just like acting for these guys.  It doesn't make them women any more than the toddlers who dress up and compete don't become adults by putting on all the garb and prancing around.

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My former co-worker is a drag queen. He's also gay. He looks beautiful in drag, actually.

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 A lot of them do!  They're beautiful.  I'm sure some are gay.  Many are not.  Those competitions are pretty neat though.