TOTALLY GEEKED!

I do not know one single person who thinks kids should not be taught about safe sex - even the most abstinence minded. But, for some reason even the mention of teaching abstinence as the BEST (NOT only) gets some people's panties in a wad.

There are no states that teach exclusively abstinence. There are states that stress it, and there are state that have no mandated sex education, but there are no states that "use abstinence only sex education."

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I do not know one single person who thinks kids should not be taught about safe sex - even the most abstinence minded. But, for some reason even the mention of teaching abstinence as the BEST (NOT only) gets some people's panties in a wad.

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Because it's not the best option. It's unrealistic.

...and don't get me started on those ridiculous "Chastity Balls" where girls pledge their virginity to their daddies. That's some sick sh!t.

 

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There you go again.  What is this stuff you keep bringing up?  I've never even heard of Chastity Balls.  Geesh. 

And abstinence is not unrealistic.  The MAJORITY of teen girls are not having sex - that makes it a HIGHLY viable option being practiced by lots and lots of young women.  I find the ones who think it is unrealistic are the ones that had sex as teenagers themselves - but you really shouldn't project your own choices on others.

 

 

NEW YORK (Reuters) - The percentage of U.S. teenagers who have had sex has dropped significantly over the past quarter-century, with less than half of 15- to 19-year-olds reporting they had a sexual experience, according to U.S. data released on Wednesday.

Some 44 percent of never-married females in that age group reported having had sex at least once, down from 58 percent who said they had done so in a survey released in 1988, according to data by the National Center for Health Statistics. The prevalence of sexual activity among teen males also dropped to 47 percent from 69 percent over the same period.

The center's National Survey of Family Growth survey of 1,037 female and 1,088 male American teenagers, conducted from 2011 through 2013, showed boys were more likely to become sexually active in their early years than girls. By for late teens, the percentage of teenagers who had sexual intercourse was similar for both genders.

The study found teenagers were using most forms of contraceptives at similar rates as they did over the past decade. Condoms remained the most common form of contraception for teenagers.

While the number of teens using the birth control pill and withdrawal contraceptive methods during their first sexual experiences remained the same, the use of the so-called morning-after pill increased to 22 percent from 8 percent.

The study also looked at teenage pregnancy rates tied to contraceptive use. In 2013, the U.S. birth rate for 15- to 19-year-olds dropped by more than half since its peak in 1991, but the rate was still higher than in other developed countries.

Girls who did not use some form of contraception the first time they had sex were twice as likely to become a mother in their teenage years as those who used a method.

 

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I just looked at our enrollment form. It doesn't ask for a different address. There is one address, with lines for dependents. Nothing about a separate address...

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Yeah, this.  If they are still on your insurance, they are still considered a "dependent" for purposes of health care.  If they want to be covered under HPPA without their parents finding crap out--they can pay for their own damn insurance.  I'd boot them in a heartbeat if my kids tried to pull that crap with me.  If the company or hospital doesn't want to hand their stuff over--then they damn well better.   

"There you go again. What is this stuff you keep bringing up? I've never even heard of Chastity Balls. Geesh. "

Well, maybe you should look it up, seeing as how they take place in 48 states. Also known as "Purity Balls". It's quite.....interesting.

Not where I live. They're sexually active.

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"There you go again. What is this stuff you keep bringing up? I've never even heard of Chastity Balls. Geesh. "

Well, maybe you should look it up, seeing as how they take place in 48 states. Also known as "Purity Balls". It's quite.....interesting.

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We don't call the Chastity Balls, but we do have a promise ceremony.  They are really cool... 

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Not where I live. They're sexually active.

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Really?  Not among those under 18.  Google works for Canada, too.  Rates appear even lower than the U.S.  Although, yes, I agree, that is surprising.

 

Statistics on Sexual Intercourse Experience Among Canadian Teenagers

Trends in Sexual Intercourse Experience Among Canadian Teens

Several large-scale studies provide data on the percentage of Canadian teens who have experienced sexual intercourse at least once. These include Statistics Canada’s Canadian Community Health Survey, the British Columbia Adolescent Health Survey and the Health of Canada’s Young People survey. Because these surveys have been repeated over a number of years using similar samples, they also allow us to observe trends in the percentages of Canadian youth who have experienced sexual intercourse.

Most Canadian youth will have their first experience of sexual intercourse at some point during their teenage years. In the most recent Canadian Community Health Survey 2009/2010), in response to the question “Have you ever had sexual intercourse?” 30% of 15 to 17 year-olds and 68% of 18 to 19 year-olds reported that they had had intercourse (Roterman, 2012). In sum, while less than half of Canadian teens report having intercourse before age 18, more than two-thirds do so before age 20. When these data are added to data from previous cycles of the Canadian Community Health Survey we can see that the percentages of Canadian young people in the 15 to 17 and 18 to 19 year-old age groups who reported ever having sexual intercourse remained remarkably stable from 1996/1997 to 2009/2010 (Rotermann, 2012, 2008) (Table 1). 

Table 1: Percentage of Canadian Youth Aged 15-17, 18-19 Reporting Ever Having Sexual Intercourse, 1996/1997, 2003, 2005, 2009/2010

Age Group	1996/1997	2003	2005	2009/2010
15-17	32%	30%	29%	30%
18-19	70%	68%	65%	68%

Rotermann, M. (2008). Trends in teen sexual behaviour and condom use. Health Reports, 19, (3), 1-5. Rotermann, M. (2012). Sexual behaviour and condom use of 15- to 24-year-olds in 2003 and 2009/2010.  Health Reports, 23, (1), 1-5.

The British Columbia Adolescent Health Surveys (McCreary Centre Society, 2009; Saewyc, Taylor, Homma & Ogilvie, 2008)include data on the percentage of male and female adolescents in Grades 7 to 12 (ages 12 to 17+) who reported ever having had sexual intercourse in 1992, 1998, 2003 and 2008. These data indicate stable to declining percentages of youth who had experienced intercourse between the time periods of 1992 and 1998, with the percentages remaining stable thereafter (Table 2). The results indicate that the percentage of both males and females in grades 7 to 12 who had ever had intercourse declined between 1992 and 2008.

Table 2: BC Adolescent Health Survey: Percentages Of Male and Female Youth In Grades 7 To 12 Who Report Ever Having Intercourse, 1992, 1998, 2003, 2008

	1992	1998	2003	2008
Male	33.9%	24.9%	23.3%	22.0%
Female	28.6%	23.0%	24.3%	22.0%

Sources: Saewyc, Taylor, Homma & Ogilvie. (2008). Trends in sexual health and risk behaviours among adolescent students in British Columbia. The Canadian Journal of Human Sexuality, 17 (1/2), 1-14. McCreary Centre Society. (2009). A Picture of Health: Highlights from the 2008 British Columbia Adolescent Health Survey. Vancouver, BC: McCreary Centre Society.

The Health of Canada’s Young People: A Mental Health Focus presents the findings of the 2009/2010 cycle of the Health Behaviour in School-aged Children study (Freeman, King, Pickett, Craig, Elgar, Janssen, & Klinger, 2011). For the period 2002 to 2010, the percentage of Grade 9 and 10 males and females who had ever had sexual intercourse increased slightly.

Table 3: The Health of Canada’s Young People: A Mental Health Focus: Approximate Percentages off Grade 9 and 10 Males and Females Who Report Ever Having Had Intercourse, 2002, 2006, 2010

	2002	2006	2010
Male Grade 9	20%	20%	24%
Female Grade 9	18%	19%	19%
Male Grade 10	27%	25%	31%
Female Grade 10	25%	27%	31%

Source: Freeman et al. (2011).The Health of Canada’s Young People: A Mental Health Focus. Ottawa, ON: Public Health Agency of Canada.

Summary

Three on-going, large sample, Canadian studies have collected data on the percentages of Canadian youth who report ever experiencing sexual intercourse. Two of these studies first collected data on youth intercourse experience in 1992 (B.C. Adolescent Health Survey) or 1996 (Canadian Community Health Survey) and two reported data collected as recently as 2010 (Canadian Community Health Survey; Health of Canada’s Young People). Several conclusions can be drawn from these three studies. First, from the early/mid 1990’s to the mid 2000’s, the percentage of both male and female teens who reported ever having experienced sexual intercourse declined. Second, between the mid 2000’s and 2010 the percentages of youth who reported ever having intercourse remained stable for some groups (e.g., Grade 9 females, 15-17 year-olds) and increased slightly for others (e.g., Grade 10 males and females, 18-19 year-olds). Third, overall, the available data indicate the percentage of male and female teens in Canada who reported ever having sexual intercourse declined between the early/mid 1990’s and 2010.        

References

Freeman, J.G., King, M., Pickett, W., Craig, W., Elgar, F., Janssen, I. & Klinger, D. (2011).The Health of Canada’s Young People: A Mental Health Focus. Ottawa, ON: Public Health Agency of Canada.

McCreary Centre Society. (2009). A Picture of Health: Highlights from the 2008 British Columbia Adolescent Health Survey. Vancouver, BC: McCreary Centre Society.

Rotermann, M. (2008). Trends in teen sexual behaviour and condom use. Health Reports, 19, (3), 1-5.

Rotermann, M. (2012). Sexual behaviour and condom use of 15- to 24-year-olds in 2003 and 2009/2010.  Health Reports, 23, (1), 1-5.

Saewyc, Taylor, Homma & Ogilvie. (2008). Trends in sexual health and risk behaviours among adolescent students in British Columbia. The Canadian Journal of Human Sexuality, 17 (1/2), 1-14.

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weltschmerz wrote:

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Not where I live. They're sexually active.

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Well ain't that something to be proud of!!!!!  

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Well, I'm proud that they don't get knocked up as often as yours do. 

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Seems like you're wrong.

Many adults are uncomfortable with the idea of teen sexuality, and prefer to remain in ignorance or denial. But in the United States, 46 percent of all high school age students, and 62 percent of high school seniors, have had sexual intercourse; almost nine million teens have already had sex.1,2 It is critically important for adults to address adolescent sexuality realistically and to recognize that many factors, including socioeconomic status, race or ethnicity, family structure, educational aspirations, and life experiences, affect young people's behavior.

www.advocatesforyouth.org/publications/publications-a-z/413-adolescent-sexual-behavior-i-demographics

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 The article I posted was published an hour ago - yours is 3 years old.  And why is your article more reliable?  Because it agrees with you?

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weltschmerz wrote:

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Not where I live. They're sexually active.

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Well ain't that something to be proud of!!!!!  

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Well, I'm proud that they don't get knocked up as often as yours do. 

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REALLY?  Well guess again honey.  The teen pregnancy rate is the US 15-19 is 26.5 per 1,000.  In Canada it is 29.2 per 1,000.  You really aren't that great at math are you? (the bigger number means more)

 

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/hlth65a-eng.htm

 

http://www.hhs.gov/ash/oah/adolescent-health-topics/reproductive-health/teen-pregnancy/trends.html

 

 

ROTFLMAO...fine. Keep thinking your teens are pure as the driven snow. No skin off my nose.

I think promise rings and purity balls or whatever are silly--and they don't work. They are like the DARE programs where we try to get kids to "just say no" to drugs and alcohol. Sure, that's an easy promise to make when you are 10--but most don't keep it.



The Problem With Promise Rings, Virginity Pledges and Purity Balls



By Linda Lowen
Many teenage girls proudly wear a "promise ring" -- a tangible symbol that they've taken a virginity pledge and vowed to abstain from sex until after marriage. The promise ring is given to them by their parents to remind them of their pledge. Sounds like a nice idea, right?
Perhaps not if you consider the findings of a new study which reveals that those who take the virginity pledge are not only just as likely to engage in premarital sex as the average teen, but are also significantly less likely to use condoms or other forms of protection.





As reporter Rob Stein noted in the December 29, 2008 issue of the Washington Post:

[A]ccording to a study released today.... [t]he new analysis of data from a large federal survey found that more than half of youths became sexually active before marriage regardless of whether they had taken a "virginity pledge," but that the percentage who took precautions against pregnancy or sexually transmitted diseases was 10 points lower for pledgers than for non-pledgers.
"Taking a pledge doesn't seem to make any difference at all in any sexual behavior," said Janet E. Rosenbaum of the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, whose report appears in the January issue of the journal Pediatrics. "But it does seem to make a difference in condom use and other forms of birth control that is quite striking."
What does this say about the effectiveness of abstinence-only sex education programs? The blog Perrspectives goes into great detail citing studies and statistics that indicate they simply don't work.


In conclusion, founder/editor Jon Perr observes:
[The] findings from Johns Hopkins can't be good news for all those fathers who took their hopefully chaste daughters to so-called "purity balls." As the numbers suggest, these elaborate rituals and solemn pledges ultimately will fail father and daughter alike.

Point still stands - there are enough teens NOT having sex that it proves abstinence most certainly IS a realistic option.

2013

Ohfour wrote:

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weltschmerz wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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weltschmerz wrote:

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Not where I live. They're sexually active.

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Well ain't that something to be proud of!!!!!  

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Well, I'm proud that they don't get knocked up as often as yours do. 

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REALLY?  Well guess again honey.  The teen pregnancy rate is the US 15-19 is 26.5 per 1,000.  In Canada it is 29.2 per 1,000.  You really aren't that great at math are you? (the bigger number means more)

 

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/hlth65a-eng.htm

 

http://www.hhs.gov/ash/oah/adolescent-health-topics/reproductive-health/teen-pregnancy/trends.html

 

 

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The Canadian number is pregnancy rate.

The US number is birth rate.

Even in the second link that gives the US numbers:

 

Still, the U.S. teen birth rate is higher than that of many other developed countries, including Canada and the United Kingdom.^[2]

Well then Canadians SUCK at math...

from the article:

The study, which was published Tuesday in the Canadian Journal of Human Sexuality, shows the rate of pregnancy among women 15 to 19 across the country has been relatively stable in recent years, at 27.9 (pregnancies per 100,000 women) in 2006, 30.6 (per 100,000) in 2007, 30.5 8 in 2008, 29.9 in 2009 and 28.2 in 2010.

The US Data I references is from our HHS. And gave 2013 numbers...

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Well then Canadians SUCK at math...

from the article:

The study, which was published Tuesday in the Canadian Journal of Human Sexuality, shows the rate of pregnancy among women 15 to 19 across the country has been relatively stable in recent years, at 27.9 (pregnancies per 100,000 women) in 2006, 30.6 (per 100,000) in 2007, 30.5 8 in 2008, 29.9 in 2009 and 28.2 in 2010.

The US Data I references is from our HHS. And gave 2013 numbers...

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Well, as we've seen--science really isn't a strong suit, either.   

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Is that why it says this?

Statistics Canada, Canadian Vital Statistics, Birth Database and Stillbirth Database; Canadian Institute for Health Information, Hospital Morbidity Database and Therapeutic Abortion Database. The Statistics Canada publication Reproductive Health: Pregnancies and Rates, Canada, 1974-1993, Catalogue no. 82-568-XPB and CANSIM, table 106-9002 was a major source of data for the years prior to 1994.
Last modified: 2008-10-20.

 

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I was talking about the US data.  The link for Canada was obviously older but then the newer data you provided just bolstered my post... 

ANYWAY.... don't cover birth control. Teach abstinence only. Have more and more people on welfare.
It's your country.

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weltschmerz wrote:

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ANYWAY.... don't cover birth control. Teach abstinence only. Have more and more people on welfare.
It's your country.

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Really?  Welfare is what Canada is all about...I would think you would support that!

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Whatever you say. We're all on welfare. Nobody works. We all sit around in our igloos, chewing pemmican, with the occasional ride down to the trading post on our dogsleds.

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Wednesday 22nd of July 2015 05:08:42 PM

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ANYWAY.... don't cover birth control. Teach abstinence only. Have more and more people on welfare.
It's your country.

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 See?  This is what I mean.  NO ONE has said anything about teaching abstinence ONLY.  But that's the fallback accusation for some unknown reason.  Can't respond with a logical argument - respond with unfounded nonsense.   What the hell is the issue with teaching that abstinence is the best choice? 

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weltschmerz wrote:

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ANYWAY.... don't cover birth control. Teach abstinence only. Have more and more people on welfare.
It's your country.

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 See?  This is what I mean.  NO ONE has said anything about teaching abstinence ONLY.  But that's the fallback accusation for some unknown reason.  Can't respond with a logical argument - respond with unfounded nonsense.   What the hell is the issue with teaching that abstinence is the best choice? 

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Se the thing is, abstinence is the ONLY 100% fool proof birth control.  ALL others fail from time to time.  That's how it's being taught.  Sure they teach other form of birth control, but it would be foolish to not make them understand that...and encourage it. 

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That's not better. That just means Canadians are getting more abortions. That is BAD.

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 It means there are abortions in Canada, but not they are more or the rate is higher than the US.  The US could have a much higher pregnancy rate and a lower birth rate due to abortions.  The numbers for each country needs to be the same comparison.

One country may have a higher marriage rate for teens.  A married teen that gave birth is included in at least some of these numbers.

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No.  She said that the pregnancy rate was higher in Canada but the birth rate was lower--meaning Canada has more abortions as a percentage if she's right.   

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Which poster is she?

 

I am not seeing a claim that Canada had a higher pregnancy rate with a lower birth rate in welts posts.