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huskerbb · Guru

RE: 14 Yr Old Boys Lost at Sea

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

There are certain things that are more risky than others. You cannot compare the injuries related to a car accident to those boating, because the instances of these are much different. A child rides in a car almost every day - so ratio wise, it would be much different.

And a parent allowing two 14 year olds to take a car out by themselves would be illegal - so there is no comparison available to the boating circumstance.

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

Lawyerlady wrote:
There are certain things that are more risky than others. You cannot compare the injuries related to a car accident to those boating, because the instances of these are much different. A child rides in a car almost every day - so ratio wise, it would be much different.

And a parent allowing two 14 year olds to take a car out by themselves would be illegal - so there is no comparison available to the boating circumstance.

It's not illegal in some states.

I don't see these parents as being irresponsible. The boys had been boating all their lives. The parents trusted them to stay in the Intercoastal Waterway as they always had. For whatever reason that day the boys chose to disobey their parents & venture out into the ocean. The boys betrayed their parents' trust & paid a heavy price.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
There are certain things that are more risky than others. You cannot compare the injuries related to a car accident to those boating, because the instances of these are much different. A child rides in a car almost every day - so ratio wise, it would be much different.

And a parent allowing two 14 year olds to take a car out by themselves would be illegal - so there is no comparison available to the boating circumstance.

This was not illegal, and thus deemed less dangerous By society.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
There are certain things that are more risky than others. You cannot compare the injuries related to a car accident to those boating, because the instances of these are much different. A child rides in a car almost every day - so ratio wise, it would be much different.

And a parent allowing two 14 year olds to take a car out by themselves would be illegal - so there is no comparison available to the boating circumstance.
This was not illegal, and thus deemed less dangerous By society.

Things do not have to be illegal to be dangerous.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lexxy wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
There are certain things that are more risky than others. You cannot compare the injuries related to a car accident to those boating, because the instances of these are much different. A child rides in a car almost every day - so ratio wise, it would be much different.

And a parent allowing two 14 year olds to take a car out by themselves would be illegal - so there is no comparison available to the boating circumstance.
It's not illegal in some states.
I don't see these parents as being irresponsible. The boys had been boating all their lives. The parents trusted them to stay in the Intercoastal Waterway as they always had. For whatever reason that day the boys chose to disobey their parents & venture out into the ocean. The boys betrayed their parents' trust & paid a heavy price.

Do we know that for sure? Maybe they had issues and were carried out to open sea.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
There are certain things that are more risky than others. You cannot compare the injuries related to a car accident to those boating, because the instances of these are much different. A child rides in a car almost every day - so ratio wise, it would be much different.

And a parent allowing two 14 year olds to take a car out by themselves would be illegal - so there is no comparison available to the boating circumstance.
This was not illegal, and thus deemed less dangerous By society.

Things do not have to be illegal to be dangerous.

Thats why I brought up driving, which is MUCH more dangerous, even at 16.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Lexxy wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
There are certain things that are more risky than others. You cannot compare the injuries related to a car accident to those boating, because the instances of these are much different. A child rides in a car almost every day - so ratio wise, it would be much different.

And a parent allowing two 14 year olds to take a car out by themselves would be illegal - so there is no comparison available to the boating circumstance.
It's not illegal in some states.
I don't see these parents as being irresponsible. The boys had been boating all their lives. The parents trusted them to stay in the Intercoastal Waterway as they always had. For whatever reason that day the boys chose to disobey their parents & venture out into the ocean. The boys betrayed their parents' trust & paid a heavy price.
Do we know that for sure? Maybe they had issues and were carried out to open sea.

100% sure? No--but what we know now that is where the evidence points.

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Lexxy wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
There are certain things that are more risky than others. You cannot compare the injuries related to a car accident to those boating, because the instances of these are much different. A child rides in a car almost every day - so ratio wise, it would be much different.

And a parent allowing two 14 year olds to take a car out by themselves would be illegal - so there is no comparison available to the boating circumstance.
It's not illegal in some states.
I don't see these parents as being irresponsible. The boys had been boating all their lives. The parents trusted them to stay in the Intercoastal Waterway as they always had. For whatever reason that day the boys chose to disobey their parents & venture out into the ocean. The boys betrayed their parents' trust & paid a heavy price.
Do we know that for sure? Maybe they had issues and were carried out to open sea.

Maybe, but they told a friend they were heading to the Bahamas.

Ohfour · Hooker

14 is the legal age in Florida. In Tennessee it's 12...

huskerbb · Guru

how do you determine "danger"? The possibility of getting hurt, or worse?

Then riding a bike is dangerous. So is swimming, skateboarding, skiing, heck, even walking in your own neighborhood can be dangerous depending on where you live.

So we should never let anyone under 18 do any of those activities because they are "dangerous"?

weltschmerz · Guru

Sharks. Are there no sharks off the coast of Florida?

Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

I just read that they are suspending the search.

So sad for the families. cry

Lindley · Guru

My heart goes out to their families. I'm sure they are dealing with the wishing they didn't let them go fishing and are going through a lot of pain right now. Prayers for the boys and their families.

NAOW · Vette's SS

My heart is with them too. The not knowing would be so difficult.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Every parent has to determine what they are comfortable letting their kids do. Each one will have different safety concerns and things that will scream "no" at them. Letting 14 year olds boat by themselves on anything other than a small lake would be one of mine.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Every parent has to determine what they are comfortable letting their kids do. Each one will have different safety concerns and things that will scream "no" at them. Letting 14 year olds boat by themselves on anything other than a small lake would be one of mine.

And thats fine for YOU. that does not mean these parents are somehow "wrong" or bad parents for making the decision they did, which is what you've been insinuating.

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Every parent has to determine what they are comfortable letting their kids do. Each one will have different safety concerns and things that will scream "no" at them. Letting 14 year olds boat by themselves on anything other than a small lake would be one of mine.
And thats fine for YOU. that does not mean these parents are somehow "wrong" or bad parents for making the decision they did, which is what you've been insinuating.

The kids are most likely dead. A wrong decision was clearly made. The parents now have to live with that for the rest of their lives.

ed11563 · Guru

The search is being ended.

huskerbb · Guru

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Every parent has to determine what they are comfortable letting their kids do. Each one will have different safety concerns and things that will scream "no" at them. Letting 14 year olds boat by themselves on anything other than a small lake would be one of mine.
And thats fine for YOU. that does not mean these parents are somehow "wrong" or bad parents for making the decision they did, which is what you've been insinuating.
The kids are most likely dead. A wrong decision was clearly made. The parents now have to live with that for the rest of their lives.

That is BS. The standard for decision making cannot be the outcome. Sometimes bad things happen even under the best of circumstances.

If you have a car accident going to the grocery store does that mean you made a "wrong" decision to go to the grocery store? If your kid gets killed in that car accident you'll have to live with it for the rest of your life.

Conversely, let's say that the parents let two kids have a gun without teaching them how to use or respect it. Said gun goes off, narrowly missing one of the kids. No one is hurt, yet under your ridiculous theory of good vs. bad decisions would that then have been a "good" decision because no one died or got hurt?

Say someone has a hobby of skiing and they break their leg. Is the decision to engage in that hobby now a "bad" one because they got hurt? How would they know the outcome beforehand?

Conversely, if I throw back a dozen Morgan and cokes and then drive home, was that a "good" decision just because I arrived safely?

A decision is good or bad (or right or wrong) APART from the outcome. Bad things can happen even when you make good decisions--and bad things are not guaranteed to happen just because you make bad decisions. The outcome does NOT determine whether the decision was good or bad.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Saturday 1st of August 2015 01:00:15 PM

-- Edited by huskerbb on Saturday 1st of August 2015 01:04:47 PM

Southern_Belle · Nothing's Impossible

I don't think the parents were wrong for letting the boys go off on their own. They had grown up boating just as so boys grow up hunting, skiing, or dirt bike riding. They passed the safety class and the parents felt they were able to go off on their own.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

weltschmerz wrote:
Sharks. Are there no sharks off the coast of Florida?

Yes. At times.

But.... in a Sharknado those things could be ANYWHERE! !