Just finished watching this movie. There used to be four abortion clinics in the US that did third trimester abortions. Then Dr. Tiller was shot to death and now there are only three. I did find out there's a major abortion clinic in Nebraska. All these clinics specialize in third trimester abortions. I caution you not to watch this if you don't like graphic. One of the clinics was run by a woman doctor and she would only due third term abortions for life or death type things. They showed several of their patients who found out late in their pregnancy that the baby was either going to die shortly after death or live a short and very painful life and then die. These parents chose to abort. It was a painful experience for them. I understand why they made the decisions they did. There was one lady from France, apparently she couldn't get a late term abortion over there and wanted to fly here. She was THIRTY SEVEN WEEKS! She said she was too busy on her vacation to to deal with this pesky pregnancy and now it's too late to get an abortion in her country I guess. They turned her down flat. There was also one lady who called who was married, going to college, and they had one kid. They wanted to abort because it would be inconvenient. They turned her down. There was also a 16 year old who didn't want to abort but felt like it was her only option. They turned her down. They would refer these women to abortionists in other states. These people basically did medically necessary abortions. They were caring. They explained in great detail that the women would go through labor and deliver a stillborn baby. They let them name the baby and provided memory boxes for them. Little birth certificates with their hands and feet. And let the woman make arrangements for the funerals.
The other two were not as caring. Remember, all these clinics did abortions after 28 weeks. One did one on a girl who said she believed in God but knew that eventually God would have to forgive her. Another one got an abortion because she said her b/f raped her and she didn't want to believe she was pregnant until she hit 30 weeks and started showing. A lady doctor ran this clinic. Her wife helped her. She talked openly about how hard it was for her sometimes because she was delivering a real full child. Not a clump of cells. She said some days got really difficult.
The last clinic was run by a man. He was a cross between the two above doctors. He owned 25 horses in a beautiful stable. I felt bad for him because one day the antiabortion people came and burned down his entire barn. Twenty horses burned to death. Only five survived. They left a note in his mail box that said if he kills children they will kill his horses. His whole family has been threatened with death. Even his 86 year old mother who lives in a nursing home. They call and threaten to kill the people in the nursing home. He constantly carries a gun because he with was Tiller when the antiabortionists shot him. He also sleeps with a rifle. His house has been shot up several times.
I don't doubt they put on a rosy glow for the cameras. Not denying that at all. But I just don't see where killing doctors and animals in revenge can be considered just.
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Great. A movie depicting the glory of killing viable babies. I'm sure they showed only what they wanted to show to garner your sympathy and understanding. It's called propaganda.
Here's the thing - if there is truly a medical reason to abort a third trimester baby - they won't have to go to an abortion clinic to do it.
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The whole "Life of the Mother" saga is grossly misleading. Yes, there are times such as Eclampsia, etc where the pregnancy becomes dangerous to the mother. However, if that is the case, then the baby's life is also in danger. And, the TREATMENT for that is delivering the baby. And, if the baby is premature or whatever, then that is what the baby has to face because if not the baby will surely die in utero. So, the notion that we have to KILL the baby to save mom is patently medically FALSE.
Great. A movie depicting the glory of killing viable babies. I'm sure they showed only what they wanted to show to garner your sympathy and understanding. It's called propaganda.
Here's the thing - if there is truly a medical reason to abort a third trimester baby - they won't have to go to an abortion clinic to do it.
Yes. It was propaganda. Yes, they were viable babies. No, I don't believe most people do it for the "right reasons". However, it did not kill my brain cells to watch it. I learned some things and still feel the same way I did before.
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“You may shoot me with your words, you may cut me with your eyes, you may kill me with your hatefulness, but still, like air, I'll rise!” ― Maya Angelou
So do you believe that shooting an abortion doctor is justified? Do you believe that setting fire to an abortion doctors barn and burning to death 20 horses is justified?
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Illinois Republican Rep. Joe Walsh falsely claimed that there wasn’t “one instance” where an abortion would be necessary to save the mother’s life. But the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists said that more than 600 women die each year due to complications from pregnancy and childbirth, and more would die if they didn’t have access to abortion. After that, Walsh quickly backed down.
I am not pro abortion. I want to make that clear. I am also against killing abortion doctors, their families, or pets.
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“You may shoot me with your words, you may cut me with your eyes, you may kill me with your hatefulness, but still, like air, I'll rise!” ― Maya Angelou
Illinois Republican Rep. Joe Walsh falsely claimed that there wasn’t “one instance” where an abortion would be necessary to save the mother’s life. But the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists said that more than 600 women die each year due to complications from pregnancy and childbirth, and more would die if they didn’t have access to abortion. After that, Walsh quickly backed down.
Nice spin, but no dice. Try reading. It said that 600 women die from pregnancy and childbirth. It does NOT say that they would have lived had they had an abortion.
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“You may shoot me with your words, you may cut me with your eyes, you may kill me with your hatefulness, but still, like air, I'll rise!” ― Maya Angelou
I feel sorry for the horses. They never gave anyone an abortion.
So you're saying killing the doctor was okay?
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Of course not! They should be prosecuted. But I'm having a hard time mustering up any sympathy for the doctors...
I agree they should be prosecuted. And I have no sympathy for the doctors either.
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I'm a country girl. I thought you were looking for a tiller.
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You know TD, you've been nasty to me for awhile now. I asked a question. You only answered part of it. So asked you about the part you didn't answer. It wasn't a slam and I wasn't making this whole board about me. I know you feel like I didn't stick up for you when you and flan were arguing. I got tired of BOTH of you arguing. You have held a grudge toward me ever since. Now I will repeat my original question.
I am also against killing abortion doctors, their families, or pets.
In return you answered that it was wrong to kill horses as they have never done an abortion. So my question is what about the doctors. I'm not sure at all how you got that I was making this all about me. I honestly am having a harder and harder time trying to talk to you as you grow more and more abrasive and strange.
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I don't think killing doctors or babies is a good thing. That is my answer to your question. Do you really think anyone (other than the psychos who did it) thought killing the doctor was right?
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Killing the doctor won't bring back the aborted babies. Killing the horses won't bring back the aborted babies. Those who did those acts should be prosecuted.
If a baby is certain to die once born, I can understand wanting an abortion rather than a potential stillbirth. I doubt it would be a choice I would make because I'd be praying that somehow, some way my baby beats the odds and survives. But, I can understand not wanting to go through labor knowing you will be losing your baby.
Those who want an abortion because the baby/pregnancy is an inconvenience need to be slapped. Abortion should not be used as birth control. The choice to not be pregnant needs to be made before pregnancy. And no, I'm not talking about cases of rape.
Killing the doctor won't bring back the aborted babies. Killing the horses won't bring back the aborted babies. Those who did those acts should be prosecuted.
If a baby is certain to die once born, I can understand wanting an abortion rather than a potential stillbirth. I doubt it would be a choice I would make because I'd be praying that somehow, some way my baby beats the odds and survives. But, I can understand not wanting to go through labor knowing you will be losing your baby.
Those who want an abortion because the baby/pregnancy is an inconvenience need to be slapped. Abortion should not be used as birth control. The choice to not be pregnant needs to be made before pregnancy. And no, I'm not talking about cases of rape.
Thanks chef! I was hoping this would open up some discussion. These were all third trimester abortions so the women all had to go through labor anyway. The ones who had it for medical reasons didn't want to go through labor to deliver a baby who would suffer in pain.
Yes, I do realize this was a big piece of propaganda. I knew that going into the movie. But my beliefs are strong enough to watch it and learn from it. And I did learn a crucial piece of information. When they asked the abortionists what the one thing was that stopped the doctors they all said the same thing. The picketers. By and far the picketers. They said when groups came out to picket it made the landlords not want to rent to them. They said several of them had to move practices because the landlords canceled or did not renew leases. I thought this was very interesting.
And yes, there were some women that were there for selfish reasons. I am way more than the ones they filmed.
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I didn't realize protesters had that much effect on their business.
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Depending on the way a protest is handled it can have a lot of effect. Good protests where no one is accosted or injured and no property is damaged are the ones that are the most successful. Protesting by killing or injuring people, or by causing damage, usually only hurts the cause you are protesting for.
Depending on the way a protest is handled it can have a lot of effect. Good protests where no one is accosted or injured and no property is damaged are the ones that are the most successful. Protesting by killing or injuring people, or by causing damage, usually only hurts the cause you are protesting for.
I totally agree with this. People shouldn't be shooting at or hurting others. If you are killing someone to prove that killing is wrong then you are a hypocrite. However, the peaceful protesting is good. The doctors said the protesters that just walked or stood and prayed or talked (not screamed) made the most difference.
I just found this all interesting.
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“You may shoot me with your words, you may cut me with your eyes, you may kill me with your hatefulness, but still, like air, I'll rise!” ― Maya Angelou