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Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

RE: 'It's his service snake and we have to let him stay': Restaurant refuses to throw out man with boa constrictor

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

huskerbb wrote:
Ilumine wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
I have to leave this thread because it's become too judgemental for me. My daughter had debilitating anxiety. She manages to hold down a very good job because she has a service animal that she occasionally brings to work. I guess some of you would rather that she stay home and go on disability rather than get a job. Because those are her only options. Stay home and quit working or take her animal to work occasionally and get deal with her anxiety.

I am really glad none of you have had to deal with this issue in your lives. You would be a LOT more understanding of anxiety if you had. It isn't just learning to "deal with it". It's a mental illness with very physical symptoms that the person cannot control. It isn't about trying harder or wanting to get better. It's not in their control.
Or buck up and be mentally tougher.
As usual Husker, you are being an uneducated ass. Do you not believe in Diabetes or Hypo/Hyperthyroidism? Two diseases that are caused by the body's incorrect secretion of chemicals. Just because science (and the funding has never been put towards discovering the hows of mental illnesses, but rather on finding a quick fix pill to shore up the symptoms) hasn't been able to pinpoint exactly what is going on with each disease, there is enough evidence to show that these are diseases. There has been enough scientific research to show genetic links and even drilling down to the specific gene for some diseases. Just because there are only TWO diseases (Huntingtons and Jacob-Cruetzfelt) with specific, physical tests to confirm them doesn't not mean that there wont be more...if we actually start funding that research.
The same can be said about diseases that hardwired in the brain. Neuro-networking is science. We know for a fact that the brain makes neural-pathways when we learn, from basic data to how we feel. The brain is literally creating new neural pathways, much like the interstate highway system, that carries information from one neuron to the next. These neurons clump together and are associated with each other as one thing leads you to think of another thing or as one task must be understood to understand the following one - everything you learn at home, in school and on the job becomes part of our associations or neural pathways*.
These scientifically proven neural pathways - or how your brain is created not only control information, but they control "memories and FEELINGS" as a neural pathway is sparked through the brains processing. But more so, they also control the body's PHYSICAL reaction to these memories and feelings. It is not just revisiting a sad, bad or good memories. Once the brain "trips" that Neuron Clump, the clump will release various hormones.
In the case of Anxiety, the body releases adrenaline and cortisol, which causes very real very physical reactions. SCIENTIFIC FACT.
The point is Husker, your continual dismissal of the science behind mental illness pretty much makes anything you write about mental illnesses, well rude and pointless.

If you want to discuss the differences between treatment, the merits of pharmaceutical vs cognitive therapy and the use of therapy animals, that is one thing. But to dismiss the actual physical body response to anxiety just makes you look like a fool.

*Most of our neural pathway making ends by the age of 5, so early intervention/interaction children is extremely important.

Blah, blah, blah

That's the retort of a 5 year old.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

huskerbb wrote:
I don't give a crap about her facts.

Again. Response of a 5 year old.

Ilumine · Regular

huskerbb wrote:
Ilumine wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
I have to leave this thread because it's become too judgemental for me. My daughter had debilitating anxiety. She manages to hold down a very good job because she has a service animal that she occasionally brings to work. I guess some of you would rather that she stay home and go on disability rather than get a job. Because those are her only options. Stay home and quit working or take her animal to work occasionally and get deal with her anxiety.

I am really glad none of you have had to deal with this issue in your lives. You would be a LOT more understanding of anxiety if you had. It isn't just learning to "deal with it". It's a mental illness with very physical symptoms that the person cannot control. It isn't about trying harder or wanting to get better. It's not in their control.
Or buck up and be mentally tougher.
As usual Husker, you are being an uneducated ass. Do you not believe in Diabetes or Hypo/Hyperthyroidism? Two diseases that are caused by the body's incorrect secretion of chemicals. Just because science (and the funding has never been put towards discovering the hows of mental illnesses, but rather on finding a quick fix pill to shore up the symptoms) hasn't been able to pinpoint exactly what is going on with each disease, there is enough evidence to show that these are diseases. There has been enough scientific research to show genetic links and even drilling down to the specific gene for some diseases. Just because there are only TWO diseases (Huntingtons and Jacob-Cruetzfelt) with specific, physical tests to confirm them doesn't not mean that there wont be more...if we actually start funding that research.
The same can be said about diseases that hardwired in the brain. Neuro-networking is science. We know for a fact that the brain makes neural-pathways when we learn, from basic data to how we feel. The brain is literally creating new neural pathways, much like the interstate highway system, that carries information from one neuron to the next. These neurons clump together and are associated with each other as one thing leads you to think of another thing or as one task must be understood to understand the following one - everything you learn at home, in school and on the job becomes part of our associations or neural pathways*.
These scientifically proven neural pathways - or how your brain is created not only control information, but they control "memories and FEELINGS" as a neural pathway is sparked through the brains processing. But more so, they also control the body's PHYSICAL reaction to these memories and feelings. It is not just revisiting a sad, bad or good memories. Once the brain "trips" that Neuron Clump, the clump will release various hormones.
In the case of Anxiety, the body releases adrenaline and cortisol, which causes very real very physical reactions. SCIENTIFIC FACT.
The point is Husker, your continual dismissal of the science behind mental illness pretty much makes anything you write about mental illnesses, well rude and pointless.

If you want to discuss the differences between treatment, the merits of pharmaceutical vs cognitive therapy and the use of therapy animals, that is one thing. But to dismiss the actual physical body response to anxiety just makes you look like a fool.

*Most of our neural pathway making ends by the age of 5, so early intervention/interaction children is extremely important.

Blah, blah, blah

What an interesting comeback. I find it very telling that when you have no facts to support your viewpoints, you have to fall back on is shame, bullying or childish dismissal.

Which is ok, because I responses like THIS just make people respect you less and less, each time you do it.

Ilumine · Regular

huskerbb wrote:
I don't give a crap about her facts.

Then be a grown up and debate me with your facts. Anything else just makes you look ignorant and makes the rest of us (and the rest of the world) less likely to ever respect or believe a thing you say.

huskerbb · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
So if he was a vet you'd be ok? How do you know he was not?
No. I don't care who he is. I am not okay with a snake being in there. I've said that multiple times and you have selective reading. What I HAVE said is that many of our vets are using service dogs to integrate themselves back into society. I'd much rather see a service dog than the millions of people sucking off the government teat of disability who don't even need it. Which would you prefer? Give out more disability or see a dog once in awhile?

But why do I get criticized for making a value judgement as to the need--and you get to do so based on type of pet? If it's a service animal, it's a service animal. Species is irrelevant.

huskerbb · Guru

Ilumine wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
I don't give a crap about her facts.
Then be a grown up and debate me with your facts. Anything else just makes you look ignorant and makes the rest of us (and the rest of the world) less likely to ever respect or believe a thing you say.

I really don't care what you think about what I post. You can respond or not.

everyone whomhas a pet thinks it is indispensable to their lives. Millions of people have them to cope or deal with depression. What makes any one person so special? Just because they can afford a doctor to give them the paperwork and someone else cant?

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Because a snake is not recognized as a service pet. Species IS relevant. Dogs are the only ones recognized as service animals. I believe cats are considered comfort pets but they are not given the same rights as dogs. You cannot take a cat into a restaurant. Dogs are the only recognized service "pet". I call them pets but I should not. Technically only dogs are recognized as service animals. So that is how I get to decide what type of pet. I follow the LAW. You might try reading about it. The ADA only recognizes dogs as service animals. Not snakes.

huskerbb · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Because a snake is not recognized as a service pet. Species IS relevant. Dogs are the only ones recognized as service animals. I believe cats are considered comfort pets but they are not given the same rights as dogs. You cannot take a cat into a restaurant. Dogs are the only recognized service "pet". I call them pets but I should not. Technically only dogs are recognized as service animals. So that is how I get to decide what type of pet. I follow the LAW. You might try reading about it. The ADA only recognizes dogs as service animals. Not snakes.

Oh, so you get to decide--not what someone actually might need.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

No, I don't get to decide. I follow the LAW. I decide to follow the law. And the law has decided a snake is not a service animal. I'm not sure why this is such a hard concept for you.

Lindley · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Because a snake is not recognized as a service pet. Species IS relevant. Dogs are the only ones recognized as service animals. I believe cats are considered comfort pets but they are not given the same rights as dogs. You cannot take a cat into a restaurant. Dogs are the only recognized service "pet". I call them pets but I should not. Technically only dogs are recognized as service animals. So that is how I get to decide what type of pet. I follow the LAW. You might try reading about it. The ADA only recognizes dogs as service animals. Not snakes.

I agree and their is nothing redeeming or therapeutic about a stinky snake.

huskerbb · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
No, I don't get to decide. I follow the LAW. I decide to follow the law. And the law has decided a snake is not a service animal. I'm not sure why this is such a hard concept for you.

It is--because it's arbitrary.

Also, it's very arbitrary who gets to take advantage of it. MainLY those who can afford a doctor to give them the proper paperwork. Has little to nothing to do with need. A rich old lady with a teacup poodle would have a better shot at it than a homeless vet.

chef · Guru

Considering restaurant are not as clean as you'd like to believe, I don't find the snake to be all that unsanitary.

As to the service animal aspect, if the snake helps him, great. If not, he ought not be bringing it. I've never been one to get bothered by pets in stores provided said pet is under control.

Tinydancer · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
No, I don't get to decide. I follow the LAW. I decide to follow the law. And the law has decided a snake is not a service animal. I'm not sure why this is such a hard concept for you.
It is--because it's arbitrary.

Also, it's very arbitrary who gets to take advantage of it. MainLY those who can afford a doctor to give them the proper paperwork. Has little to nothing to do with need. A rich old lady with a teacup poodle would have a better shot at it than a homeless vet.

You have to prove need. You are certainly misunderstanding a lot of posts today and just making crazy statements to try and prove your nonexistent point.

huskerbb · Guru

It's doubtful you'll find a snake hair in your soup.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

No it's actually NOT arbitrary. You don't get a license by being rich. You have to qualify. Being rich is not a qualification. And a poodle would not be chosen as a service dog. This is not some fly by night program. These dogs train for years to become service dogs. Grandma doesn't just get a little license. Vets all over are getting service dogs. They have programs just for them. And if Grandma brings her toy poodle into Wal-Mart because she "just can't live without him" then it's the same as bringing in a snake IMO.

I know you just like to argue and it somehow makes you feel like you're a man or something. This is basically a very simple concept so I'm not arguing with you anymore.

huskerbb · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
No, I don't get to decide. I follow the LAW. I decide to follow the law. And the law has decided a snake is not a service animal. I'm not sure why this is such a hard concept for you.
It is--because it's arbitrary.

Also, it's very arbitrary who gets to take advantage of it. MainLY those who can afford a doctor to give them the proper paperwork. Has little to nothing to do with need. A rich old lady with a teacup poodle would have a better shot at it than a homeless vet.
You have to prove need. You are certainly misunderstanding a lot of posts today and just making crazy statements to try and prove your nonexistent point.

Oh don't be so naive.

huskerbb · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
No it's actually NOT arbitrary. You don't get a license by being rich. You have to qualify. Being rich is not a qualification. And a poodle would not be chosen as a service dog. This is not some fly by night program. These dogs train for years to become service dogs. Grandma doesn't just get a little license. Vets all over are getting service dogs. They have programs just for them. And if Grandma brings her toy poodle into Wal-Mart because she "just can't live without him" then it's the same as bringing in a snake IMO.

I know you just like to argue and it somehow makes you feel like you're a man or something. This is basically a very simple concept so I'm not arguing with you anymore.

BS. There are all kinds of people who say their pets are "service" animals. Also, you are very naive if you think money can't get you what you want.

huskerbb · Guru

Also, everyone who is posting that disagrees with me is "arguing" just as much as I am.

Tinydancer · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
No, I don't get to decide. I follow the LAW. I decide to follow the law. And the law has decided a snake is not a service animal. I'm not sure why this is such a hard concept for you.
It is--because it's arbitrary.

Also, it's very arbitrary who gets to take advantage of it. MainLY those who can afford a doctor to give them the proper paperwork. Has little to nothing to do with need. A rich old lady with a teacup poodle would have a better shot at it than a homeless vet.
You have to prove need. You are certainly misunderstanding a lot of posts today and just making crazy statements to try and prove your nonexistent point.
Oh don't be so naive.

I'm not naïve. I didn't buy your crap made up statement now did I?

huskerbb · Guru

Thats what makes you naive.

Tinydancer · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
Thats what makes you naive.

You used to be able to debate. Now you just call names, especially when you make those crazy statements and try to blame everyone else because YOU don't have a valid argument.

huskerbb · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Thats what makes you naive.
You used to be able to debate. Now you just call names, especially when you make those crazy statements and try to blame everyone else because YOU don't have a valid argument.

If you don't like what I post, feel free to ignore it.

Tinydancer · Guru

I get a kick out of the crazy stuff you post so no I won't just be ignoring them. If you can't handle my responses maybe you should just skip over them.

Janies Friend · Newbie

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
First, no, anyone and everyone cannot say their pet is a service pet. I mean they CAN but they'd be wrong.

It's really sad you are so blind. Many many many of our vets live with service dogs. ESPECIALLY the ones with PTSD. I wouldn't begrudge a vet a service dog for anything. Vets have contributed so much to this country. Much much much more than some people I can think of.

Again, there is no such thing as a "service pet". Service animals, defined by the ADA as dogs, are not pets. They are working animals that have been trained to perform specific tasks for,their owners. Therapy animals are those used in hospitals and other settings for emotional support, like petting and cuddlong. They are not protected by the ADA and cannot be taken to places where they are not welcome. Emotional support animals, whatever that means, are a newer category that people, feel give them the right to bring their purse dogs (or boa constrictors) anywhere they want. All of this is resulting in rampant abuse of the service dog model.

And mid I agree with whoever posted above - how did we suddenly become unable to go about our daily business without being our dog with is?

huskerbb · Guru

Janies Friend wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
First, no, anyone and everyone cannot say their pet is a service pet. I mean they CAN but they'd be wrong.

It's really sad you are so blind. Many many many of our vets live with service dogs. ESPECIALLY the ones with PTSD. I wouldn't begrudge a vet a service dog for anything. Vets have contributed so much to this country. Much much much more than some people I can think of.
Again, there is no such thing as a "service pet". Service animals, defined by the ADA as dogs, are not pets. They are working animals that have been trained to perform specific tasks for,their owners. Therapy animals are those used in hospitals and other settings for emotional support, like petting and cuddlong. They are not protected by the ADA and cannot be taken to places where they are not welcome. Emotional support animals, whatever that means, are a newer category that people, feel give them the right to bring their purse dogs (or boa constrictors) anywhere they want. All of this is resulting in rampant abuse of the service dog model.

And mid I agree with whoever posted above - how did we suddenly become unable to go about our daily business without being our dog with is?

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lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I agree with Janies.

Been to war? Come out of towers on 9/11? Shot in a theater? Lived through some kind of seriously violent event? Yeah. You get to bring fluffy in with you.

Get the sweats cause you just can't deal with the commute or the people on the bus or whatever? Time to grow up.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Have you ever noticed, the lower the IQ, the more dangerous or stupid pet they buy? Boas are breeding here now. They are not indigenous to our ecosystem but now they soon will be. Allowing people to own them is ridiculous. 2 little boys having a sleepover were strangled by someone else's snake. They should be tagged. And, any havoc that is created by them, the owners should be completely liable for.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

I think we have started classifying everyone as disabled now. Like Lily said people need to suck it up. Our disability rolls are swelling and our country is going broke. This is another system that is way over abused and needs to be thrown out. We should take care of our vets and no one else. Lily hit it right on the head.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Part of the problem with disability is they considered you disabled if you can't do the job you did before. Well, there are other jobs out there that are not physically taxing as others.

FNW · Guru

Janies Friend wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
First, no, anyone and everyone cannot say their pet is a service pet. I mean they CAN but they'd be wrong.

It's really sad you are so blind. Many many many of our vets live with service dogs. ESPECIALLY the ones with PTSD. I wouldn't begrudge a vet a service dog for anything. Vets have contributed so much to this country. Much much much more than some people I can think of.
Again, there is no such thing as a "service pet". Service animals, defined by the ADA as dogs, are not pets. They are working animals that have been trained to perform specific tasks for,their owners. Therapy animals are those used in hospitals and other settings for emotional support, like petting and cuddlong. They are not protected by the ADA and cannot be taken to places where they are not welcome. Emotional support animals, whatever that means, are a newer category that people, feel give them the right to bring their purse dogs (or boa constrictors) anywhere they want. All of this is resulting in rampant abuse of the service dog model.

And mid I agree with whoever posted above - how did we suddenly become unable to go about our daily business without being our dog with is?

I agree with all this.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Lawyerlady wrote:
Part of the problem with disability is they considered you disabled if you can't do the job you did before. Well, there are other jobs out there that are not physically taxing as others.

I had to go to doctors, be assessed by an occupational therapists, and go through a series of tests to show what I could and could not do.

There was a list of tasks to see what I was capable of.

It wasn't cut and dry or easy. Oh and it took almost 3 yrs.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Mellow Momma wrote:
I have to leave this thread because it's become too judgemental for me. My daughter had debilitating anxiety. She manages to hold down a very good job because she has a service animal that she occasionally brings to work. I guess some of you would rather that she stay home and go on disability rather than get a job. Because those are her only options. Stay home and quit working or take her animal to work occasionally and get deal with her anxiety.

I am really glad none of you have had to deal with this issue in your lives. You would be a LOT more understanding of anxiety if you had. It isn't just learning to "deal with it". It's a mental illness with very physical symptoms that the person cannot control. It isn't about trying harder or wanting to get better. It's not in their control.

I'm sorry you had to read some of the comments here.

When I think about the strides that have been made in accepting mental illness as "real," and then read that people should "just deal with it..." it makes me sad, and a bit angry.

flan

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

WB flan.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Thanks, NJN.

flan

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

And I agree about the depression thing.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

There are just some animals that should not be taken into restaurants - no matter why. Snakes and rats come to mind.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Lawyerlady wrote:
There are just some animals that should not be taken into restaurants - no matter why. Snakes and rats come to mind.

Tinydancer · Guru

Reptiles are known to carry salmonella so that's another great reason not to let a snake in your restaurant.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
There are just some animals that should not be taken into restaurants - no matter why. Snakes and rats come to mind.

I agree.

flan

Honeys_Mom · Mod & Permanent Board Sweetheart

Tinydancer wrote:
Reptiles are known to carry salmonella so that's another great reason not to let a snake in your restaurant.

True. I've read that the mouth of certain non-poisonous snakes can be so bacteria-filled that often a bite causes the victim problems just from the germs transmitted.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Honeys_Mom wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Reptiles are known to carry salmonella so that's another great reason not to let a snake in your restaurant.
True. I've read that the mouth of certain non-poisonous snakes can be so bacteria-filled that often a bite causes the victim problems just from the germs transmitted.

I really could have lived without knowing that! biggrin

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

lilyofcourse wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Part of the problem with disability is they considered you disabled if you can't do the job you did before. Well, there are other jobs out there that are not physically taxing as others.
I had to go to doctors, be assessed by an occupational therapists, and go through a series of tests to show what I could and could not do.
There was a list of tasks to see what I was capable of.
It wasn't cut and dry or easy. Oh and it took almost 3 yrs.

Well, you are the perfect example. Maybe you can't do food service anymore, but with the amount of time you spend typing on a computer - why can't you do an office job, or medical coding? It would take the same effort as typing on this board all day long.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

This board really needs a "Like" button.

I have a close friend, about 10 years older than me, who wants to work, but cannot, because of back issues, among other things. It's frustrating to see her continue to fight for money to pay her bills.

flan

huskerbb · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
I think we have started classifying everyone as disabled now. Like Lily said people need to suck it up. Our disability rolls are swelling and our country is going broke. This is another system that is way over abused and needs to be thrown out. We should take care of our vets and no one else. Lily hit it right on the head.

This is what I'Ve been saying. People need to suck it up and be a little tougher.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
This board really needs a "Like" button.

I have a close friend, about 10 years older than me, who wants to work, but cannot, because of back issues, among other things. It's frustrating to see her continue to fight for money to pay her bills.

flan

If so many people would quit applying when they don't really need it, the system would be able to work more efficiently for those that really do.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

huskerbb wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
I think we have started classifying everyone as disabled now. Like Lily said people need to suck it up. Our disability rolls are swelling and our country is going broke. This is another system that is way over abused and needs to be thrown out. We should take care of our vets and no one else. Lily hit it right on the head.
This is what I'Ve been saying. People need to suck it up and be a little tougher.

"We should take care of our vets and no one else..."

Is this 2015?

Heaven forbid you or your wife or kids ever suffer from mental illness, which is as real as ANY physical ailment. You want brain scans showing that mental illness has a physical component? They exist.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
This board really needs a "Like" button.

I have a close friend, about 10 years older than me, who wants to work, but cannot, because of back issues, among other things. It's frustrating to see her continue to fight for money to pay her bills.

flan
If so many people would quit applying when they don't really need it, the system would be able to work more efficiently for those that really do.

Next we'll fix Welfare...

flan

huskerbb · Guru

flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
I think we have started classifying everyone as disabled now. Like Lily said people need to suck it up. Our disability rolls are swelling and our country is going broke. This is another system that is way over abused and needs to be thrown out. We should take care of our vets and no one else. Lily hit it right on the head.
This is what I'Ve been saying. People need to suck it up and be a little tougher.
"We should take care of our vets and no one else..."
Is this 2015?
Heaven forbid you or your wife or kids ever suffer from mental illness, which is as real as ANY physical ailment. You want brain scans showing that mental illness has a physical component? They exist.
flan

They don't need to take their dog into a restaurant.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
This board really needs a "Like" button.

I have a close friend, about 10 years older than me, who wants to work, but cannot, because of back issues, among other things. It's frustrating to see her continue to fight for money to pay her bills.

flan
If so many people would quit applying when they don't really need it, the system would be able to work more efficiently for those that really do.
Next we'll fix Welfare...
flan

We should try. Why is it better to just let it get worse and worse?