TOTALLY GEEKED!

weltschmerz · Guru

Ashley Madison Leak-Josh Duggar

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

weltschmerz wrote:
chef wrote:
What's really striking to me in all of this is all the people criticizing Josh and calling for his head. They accuse Josh of being holier than thou but are acting holier than thou themselves. I'd really like to see the skeletons in those peoples' closets. I've noticed people expect the Duggars to be perfect just because they're Christian and flip out when imperfection comes to light. I bet none of the people criticizing the Duggars are perfect. I also bet that most, if not all, of the people criticizing the Duggars have been hypocrites at some point in their lives.

I will also say that I bet Jared is very thankful for Josh taking the spotlight off him.
Yeah, here's the thing. I'm not in charge of the Family Reaearch Council, railing against gays "because they're pedophiles" while being a pedophile myself. I'm not the one howling about moral decline and family values while having an affair myself, or looking for a little on the side. If you're going to talk the talk, you have to walk the walk.
Jodh Duggar did not. In spades.

I agree.

(Don't faint)

NAOW · Vette's SS

Lawyerlady wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
chef wrote:
What's really striking to me in all of this is all the people criticizing Josh and calling for his head. They accuse Josh of being holier than thou but are acting holier than thou themselves. I'd really like to see the skeletons in those peoples' closets. I've noticed people expect the Duggars to be perfect just because they're Christian and flip out when imperfection comes to light. I bet none of the people criticizing the Duggars are perfect. I also bet that most, if not all, of the people criticizing the Duggars have been hypocrites at some point in their lives.

I will also say that I bet Jared is very thankful for Josh taking the spotlight off him.
Yeah, here's the thing. I'm not in charge of the Family Reaearch Council, railing against gays "because they're pedophiles" while being a pedophile myself. I'm not the one howling about moral decline and family values while having an affair myself, or looking for a little on the side. If you're going to talk the talk, you have to walk the walk.
Jodh Duggar did not. In spades.
I agree.

(Don't faint)

Yes, very well said.

msrock · Guru

I agree too.

Ohfour · Hooker

Yeah, I'm gonna have to agree too. He is THE worst hypocrite. Im disgusted...

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I'm just really pissed off. I DEFENDED him, and he turned out to be a creep.

Ohfour · Hooker

I feel ya sister...

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

I don't feel anything. I never watched that show. I never thought the Duggars were "cool".

Southern_Belle · Nothing's Impossible

It just pisses me off that he profited off his lies for years.

chef · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
chef wrote:
What's really striking to me in all of this is all the people criticizing Josh and calling for his head. They accuse Josh of being holier than thou but are acting holier than thou themselves. I'd really like to see the skeletons in those peoples' closets. I've noticed people expect the Duggars to be perfect just because they're Christian and flip out when imperfection comes to light. I bet none of the people criticizing the Duggars are perfect. I also bet that most, if not all, of the people criticizing the Duggars have been hypocrites at some point in their lives.

I will also say that I bet Jared is very thankful for Josh taking the spotlight off him.
Yeah, here's the thing. I'm not in charge of the Family Research Council, railing against gays "because they're pedophiles" while being a pedophile myself. I'm not the one howling about moral decline and family values while having an affair myself, or looking for a little on the side. If you're going to talk the talk, you have to walk the walk.
Jodh Duggar did not. In spades.

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Friday 21st of August 2015 07:27:08 PM

Your point?

Josh isn't perfect. No one is. There are plenty of people who don't walk the walk. Josh self-admitted to being a hypocrite. At least he has the guts to do so. I bet a lot of the people throwing stones at Josh have their own skeletons. I also bet there's plenty of people throwing stones at Josh who also don't walk the walk.

chef · Guru

Southern_Belle wrote:
It just pisses me off that he profited off his lies for years.

I could say the same for most, if not all, politicians ...

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

chef wrote:
Southern_Belle wrote:
It just pisses me off that he profited off his lies for years.
I could say the same for most, if not all, politicians ...

Yeah - we don't like them, either.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Lawyerlady wrote:
chef wrote:
Southern_Belle wrote:
It just pisses me off that he profited off his lies for years.
I could say the same for most, if not all, politicians ...
Yeah - we don't like them, either.

Yeah, for me he just falls into "another politician category". It's sad that they all do it.

chef · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
chef wrote:
Southern_Belle wrote:
It just pisses me off that he profited off his lies for years.
I could say the same for most, if not all, politicians ...
Yeah - we don't like them, either.
Yeah, for me he just falls into "another politician category". It's sad that they all do it.

Pretty much.

But because he's a Duggar, he's under more scrutiny.

There were also White House and Congress workers found on the site. Yet, Josh is the only one the media is making a huge stink over. Are the WH and Congress less of cheaters just because they're not Josh Duggar? Puh-leez!

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/cheating-website-subscribers-included-wh-congress-workers/ar-BBlVOD7?ocid=edgsp

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

There's a lot of them. That's for sure.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

So is he still a child of God ? Loved by God? Or should the Church kick him to the curb?

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
So is he still a child of God ? Loved by God? Or should the Church kick him to the curb?

He is still a child of God. He is still loved by God. The church needs to embrace him because he is a sinner. Churches are for sinners. That doesn't mean I'd let him teach Sunday school though. But he is a lost and fallen Christian. He needs God more than anyone right now.

chef · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
So is he still a child of God ? Loved by God? Or should the Church kick him to the curb?
He is still a child of God. He is still loved by God. The church needs to embrace him because he is a sinner. Churches are for sinners. That doesn't mean I'd let him teach Sunday school though. But he is a lost and fallen Christian. He needs God more than anyone right now.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

I don't feel sorry for him because he is a cheater. Don't cheat and there's no reason to get caught. But, he doesn't need my forgiveness. He hasn't hurt me. I mean, not personally. He needs to ask forgiveness from the people he personally hurt and from God. He also needs to repent. He needs to seek out God now. I don't think now is the time to reject him but it should be trust and verify. God doesn't cast you away for making mistakes. No matter what they are. Now if he does this a half a dozen more times I will say something entirely different.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

And another thing, lol, he can't really win no matter what he does regarding his wife. If they divorce everyone will whisper and say that this is just another example of how unChristianlike he is. If they stay together people will whisper and say she is only staying there because she has no choice. If she publicly speaks out and supports her husband people will just say it's not real. She's just being told what to say. He needs to go off and try to fix his life and his family's life far far far from the press.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

He doesn't need to worry about what people say. He needs to get right in his own soul and be a better person.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
And another thing, lol, he can't really win no matter what he does regarding his wife. If they divorce everyone will whisper and say that this is just another example of how unChristianlike he is. If they stay together people will whisper and say she is only staying there because she has no choice. If she publicly speaks out and supports her husband people will just say it's not real. She's just being told what to say. He needs to go off and try to fix his life and his family's life far far far from the press.

Well, it's her decision to divorce the jerk or not. And adultery is pretty much the only basis for divorce in the Bible - so I don't think anyone is going to judge her if she chooses to dump him.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Yes that is completely her choice.

chef · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
I don't feel sorry for him because he is a cheater. Don't cheat and there's no reason to get caught. But, he doesn't need my forgiveness. He hasn't hurt me. I mean, not personally. He needs to ask forgiveness from the people he personally hurt and from God. He also needs to repent. He needs to seek out God now. I don't think now is the time to reject him but it should be trust and verify. God doesn't cast you away for making mistakes. No matter what they are. Now if he does this a half a dozen more times I will say something entirely different.

This.

chef · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
And another thing, lol, he can't really win no matter what he does regarding his wife. If they divorce everyone will whisper and say that this is just another example of how unChristianlike he is. If they stay together people will whisper and say she is only staying there because she has no choice. If she publicly speaks out and supports her husband people will just say it's not real. She's just being told what to say. He needs to go off and try to fix his life and his family's life far far far from the press.

And this.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

See, when you don't say much often then when you finally pipe in people think you're a genius!

msrock · Guru

It just keeps getting worse and worse for Josh Dugger. This guy is a real creep.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I've lost any respect for him. I feel badly for his wife and kids.

It seems she is standing by him. She's a better woman than me.

Cheaters are not worth the air it takes to fill their lungs to me.

Yes. I know. People can change.

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

He needs to go off and try to fix his life and his family's life far far far from the press.
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I think that is what they are doing. They went to some house in the mountains I read yesterday.

chef · Guru

The Duggars posted on their website that Josh has signed himself for a long-term treatment program. I'm glad he's getting help.

NAOW · Vette's SS

Treatment for what though? To stop looking at porn and cheating on his wife?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Sex addiction probably.

It happens.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

NAOW wrote:
Treatment for what though? To stop looking at porn and cheating on his wife?

Yeah, it would be sex addiction.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

NAOW wrote:
Treatment for what though? To stop looking at porn and cheating on his wife?

That's pretty much what sex rehab is, isn't it?

msrock · Guru

Sex addiction. Now that's convenient isn't it? lol!

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I don't know. We have addictions to everything. Why can't people go get help for things that blow up their lives?

msrock · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I don't know. We have addictions to everything. Why can't people go get help for things that blow up their lives?

They can go get all the help they can when they get caught. lol. Just don't act like he couldn't control himself. If anyone knew right from wrong, he did. I'm not buying the sex addiction. You can if it makes you feel better.

chef · Guru

Here's the full statement:

We are so thankful for the outpouring of love, care and prayers for our family during this most difficult situation with Josh. As parents we are so deeply grieved by our son’s decisions and actions. His wrong choices have deeply hurt his precious wife and children and have negatively affected so many others. He has also brought great insult to the values and faith we hold dear. Yesterday Josh checked himself into a long-term treatment center. For him it will be a long journey toward wholeness and recovery. We pray that in this he comes to complete repentance and sincere change. In the meantime, we will be offering our love, care and devoted support to Anna and our grandchildren as she also receives counsel and help for her own heart and future. During this time we continue to look to God—He is our rock and comfort. We ask for your continued prayers for our entire family.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

SHE'S getting counseling? What for?

msrock · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
SHE'S getting counseling? What for?

Oh i don't know... for dealing with her husband fvcking porn stars and being on Ashley Madison and seeing his preferences on fvck buddies. I would need help with that. That's devastating.

Whenitrains · Member

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
SHE'S getting counseling? What for?

For causing him to stray? For not praying enough? For embarrassing the family?

It's not her fault!

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Whenitrains wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
SHE'S getting counseling? What for?
For causing him to stray? For not praying enough? For embarrassing the family?
It's not her fault!

I know! Here's how counseling should go for her. YOUR HUSBAND IS A DOUCHE BAG! You've done nothing wrong!

NAOW · Vette's SS

msrock wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I don't know. We have addictions to everything. Why can't people go get help for things that blow up their lives?
They can go get all the help they can when they get caught. lol. Just don't act like he couldn't control himself. If anyone knew right from wrong, he did. I'm not buying the sex addiction. You can if it makes you feel better.

Same here. It seems like a PR move.

chef · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
SHE'S getting counseling? What for?

They didn't say. I would figure it's probably to help her decide what to do and to come to terms with this. I imagine she's pretty devastated right now seeing as how millions of people are very much aware of her husband cheating on her. That's got to be a hard pill to swallow.

She's in a no win situation. If she stays with him, she'll have people telling her how foolish she is. If she leaves him, she'll have people calling her a hypocrite for going against her Christian values.

Remember, people are all too happy to jump all over the Duggars for any misstep they make. I've even seeing comments expressing great glee over the potential for a divorce since that would be yet another scandal.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

They don't believe in divorce. Counseling is kind of moot. He can cheat all he wants and she won't leave.

NAOW · Vette's SS

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Whenitrains wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
SHE'S getting counseling? What for?
For causing him to stray? For not praying enough? For embarrassing the family?
It's not her fault!
I know! Here's how counseling should go for her. YOUR HUSBAND IS A DOUCHE BAG! You've done nothing wrong!

I REALLY hope that is what she is hearing, but I have a feeling it's more along the lines of she wasn't fufilling him and that's why he looked elsewhere. Or she wasn't 'keeping sweet' enough or submissive enough. I really hope she has support that can help her explore all of her options because she is in a really vulnerable situation being a postpartum stay at home mom/wife with 4 kids, one of them brand new, and no work history.

chef · Guru

NAOW wrote:
msrock wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I don't know. We have addictions to everything. Why can't people go get help for things that blow up their lives?
They can go get all the help they can when they get caught. lol. Just don't act like he couldn't control himself. If anyone knew right from wrong, he did. I'm not buying the sex addiction. You can if it makes you feel better.
Same here. It seems like a PR move.

Why can't he have a legit problem causing him to act this way? Just because he's a Duggar? Why does it have to be a PR move instead of a genuine want to get the help that he needs?

Knowing right from wrong is different from being able to control impulses. If it was a simple matter of knowing right from wrong, Ashley Madison would've never existed, jails would be empty, etc.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

NAOW wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Whenitrains wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
SHE'S getting counseling? What for?
For causing him to stray? For not praying enough? For embarrassing the family?
It's not her fault!
I know! Here's how counseling should go for her. YOUR HUSBAND IS A DOUCHE BAG! You've done nothing wrong!
I REALLY hope that is what she is hearing, but I have a feeling it's more along the lines of she wasn't fufilling him and that's why he looked elsewhere. Or she wasn't 'keeping sweet' enough or submissive enough. I really hope she has support that can help her explore all of her options because she is in a really vulnerable situation being a postpartum stay at home mom/wife with 4 kids, one of them brand new, and no work history.

They will counsel her on how to forgive him and move on. To be more willing to be a good wife and do what he asks when he asks it.

msrock · Guru

chef wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
SHE'S getting counseling? What for?
They didn't say. I would figure it's probably to help her decide what to do and to come to terms with this. I imagine she's pretty devastated right now seeing as how millions of people are very much aware of her husband cheating on her. That's got to be a hard pill to swallow.
She's in a no win situation. If she stays with him, she'll have people telling her how foolish she is. If she leaves him, she'll have people calling her a hypocrite for going against her Christian values.
Remember, people are all too happy to jump all over the Duggars for any misstep they make. I've even seeing comments expressing great glee over the potential for a divorce since that would be yet another scandal.

I imagine she's devastated on her own. Not because people are aware. I don't personally care about the Duggars and i'm not following them around hating them... but this guy is a creep. I'm sorry because he's a Christian people feel some need to defend him.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

She is probably getting counseling to help deal with all the pain and emotions of being cheated on. It can be earth shattering.

And sex addiction is very real. It isn't always about getting high. A lot of the time it is about self loathing.

Another form of self mutalation.