TOTALLY GEEKED!

Lawyerlady wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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If you have to forgive someone 70x7, isn't that implying that they are probably making the same mistake more than once? I didn't say forgive. It isn't me who said that, it's in the Bible.

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 So is the part about removing the sinner from the church who will not repent and stop. 

You can't pick and choose what verses you wag at people.

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The blood of Jesus applies to Josh Duggar.  And, yes, he needs to repent and stop.  I think that the truth has come to light and now he has to deal with it.  But, I would think the Church would want to help restore him to God, not toss him aside like trash. 

Yes he needs to repent and stop his behavior. Yes, he needs to step down from FRC and that leadership position. He needs to just fade away from the media and get pastoral help and mental health treatment and start living a clean, godly life. And, yes, the Church should also be working to restore him to Christ.

You are confusing the lost with those who are already Christians.

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Personally, I think the modern church has become very smug with people who really think their schit doesn't stink. Much like in Revelation, the Church of Laodicea.

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 He is hurting people and sinning without repentance.  Why are you ignoring those verses, Gaga?

 

Personally, I think people smugly use the Bible to righteously finger point at other people to make themselves feel better. 

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I already said he needs to get help, repent and STOP his behavior.   

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 And the way to make him do that......according to the Bible?  Stop ignoring the parts you don't like.

The Bible teaches the correct way to deal with sin in the church. In fact, Paul gives us a succinct picture of church discipline in 2 Thessalonians 3:14-15: "Take note of those who refuse to obey what we say in this letter. Stay away from them so they will be ashamed. Don't think of them as enemies, but warn them as you would a brother or sister." (NLT)
What is Church Discipline?
Church discipline is the biblical process of confrontation and correction carried out by individual Christians, church leaders, or the entire church body when a member of Christ's body is involved in a matter of open sin.


Some Christian denominations use the term excommunication instead of church discipline to refer to the formal removal of a person from church membership. The Amish call this practice shunning.
When is Church Discipline Necessary?
Church discipline is meant specifically for believers involved in overt sin. Scripture gives particular emphasis to Christians engaged in matters of sexual immorality, those creating discord or strife between members of the body of Christ, those spreading false teachings, and believers in outspoken rebellion to the spiritual authorities appointed by God in the church.
Why is Church Discipline Necessary?

God desires his people to be pure. He calls us to live holy lives, set apart for his glory. 1 Peter 1:16 restates Leviticus 11:44: "Be holy, because I am holy." (NIV) If we ignore blatant sinfulness within the body of Christ, then we fail to honor the Lord's call to be holy and live for his glory.

We know from Hebrews 12:6 that the Lord disciplines his children: "For the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and chastises every son whom he receives." In 1 Corinthians 5:12-13, we see that he passes this responsibility on to the church family: "It isn’t my responsibility to judge outsiders, but it certainly is your responsibility to judge those inside the church who are sinning.

God will judge those on the outside; but as the Scriptures say, 'You must remove the evil person from among you.' " (NLT)

Another vital reason for church discipline is to maintain the testimony of the church to the world. Unbelievers are watching our lives. We are to be a light in a dark world, a city set on a hill. If the church looks no different than the world, then it loses its witness.

While church discipline is never easy or desirable—what parent enjoys disciplining a child?—it is necessary for the church to fulfill its God-intended purpose on this earth.
What is the Purpose of Church Discipline?
The goal of church discipline is not to punish a failing brother or sister in Christ. On the contrary, the purpose is to bring the person to a point of godly sorrow and repentance, so that he or she turns away from sin and experiences a fully restored relationship with God and other believers. Individually, the intent is healing and restoration, but corporately the purpose is to build up, or edify and strengthen the entire body of Christ.
The Practical Pattern of Church Discipline
Matthew 18:15-17 clearly and specifically sets forth the practical steps for confronting and correcting a wayward believer.

First, one believer (usually the offended person) will meet individually with the other believer to point out the offense. If the brother or sister listens and confesses, the matter is resolved.
Second, if the one-on-one meeting is unsuccessful, the offended person will attempt to meet with the believer again, taking with him one or two other members of the church. This allows the confrontation of sin and resulting correction to be confirmed by two or three witnesses.
Third, if the person still refuses to listen and change his behavior, the matter is to be taken before the entire congregation. The whole church body will publicly confront the believer and encourage him to repent.
Lastly, if all attempts to discipline the believer fail to bring change and repentance, the person will be removed from the fellowship of the church.

Paul explains in 1 Corinthians 5:5 that this final step in church discipline is a way of handing the unrepentant brother "over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord." (NIV) So, in extreme cases, it is sometimes necessary for God to use the devil to work in a sinner's life to bring him to repentance.
The Correct Attitude in Church Discipline

Galatians 6:1 describes the correct attitude of believers when exercising church discipline: "Dear brothers and sisters, if another believer is overcome by some sin, you who are godly should gently and humbly help that person back onto the right path. And be careful not to fall into the same temptation yourself." (NLT)

Gentleness, humility, and love will guide the attitude of those who wish to restore a fallen brother or sister. Spiritual maturity and submission to the Holy Spirit's leading are needed, too.

Church discipline should never be entered into lightly or for minor offenses. It is a very serious matter calling for extreme care, godly character, and a true desire to see a sinner restored and the purity of the church maintained.

When the process of church discipline brings about the desired result—repentance—then the church must extend love, comfort, forgiveness and restoration to the individual (2 Corinthians 2:5-8).
More Bible References to Church Discipline
Romans 16:17; 1 Corinthians 5:1-13; 2 Corinthians 2:5-8; 2 Thessalonians 3:3-7; Titus 3:10; Hebrews 12:11; 13:17; James 5:19-20.

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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He's taken the first step. He has admitted his wrongdoing and now he needs to get help, work through his issues and live a better life. And, then, yes the church should extend love , comfort and restoration. This is not only a test of Josh Duggar but a test of his Christian family in how they deal with him as well.

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 All this judgmental finger wagging about forgiveness in the church from a woman who judges other Christians so harshly she won't even go to church and associate with them. 

 

And righteous finger wagging at others accusing them of being righteous.

 

You do see how hypocritical you are, right?

Lawyerlady wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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He's taken the first step. He has admitted his wrongdoing and now he needs to get help, work through his issues and live a better life. And, then, yes the church should extend love , comfort and restoration. This is not only a test of Josh Duggar but a test of his Christian family in how they deal with him as well.

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 All this judgmental finger wagging about forgiveness in the church from a woman who judges other Christians so harshly she won't even go to church and associate with them. 

 

And righteous finger wagging at others accusing them of being righteous.

 

You do see how hypocritical you are, right?

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Well, I am confused. They can judge harshly but I can't judge harshly or what?  The world treats fallen people like trash to be tossed away.  What does the Church do with those people?  That is really what the world is watching.  It is no surprise to see a human being fall from grace.  But, what people really are watching is how does the church respond. 

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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He's taken the first step. He has admitted his wrongdoing and now he needs to get help, work through his issues and live a better life. And, then, yes the church should extend love , comfort and restoration. This is not only a test of Josh Duggar but a test of his Christian family in how they deal with him as well.

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 All this judgmental finger wagging about forgiveness in the church from a woman who judges other Christians so harshly she won't even go to church and associate with them. 

 

And righteous finger wagging at others accusing them of being righteous.

 

You do see how hypocritical you are, right?

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Well, I am confused. They can judge harshly but I can't judge harshly or what?  The world treats fallen people like trash to be tossed away.  What does the Church do with those people?  That is really what the world is watching.  It is no surprise to see a human being fall from grace.  But, what people really are watching is how does the church respond. 

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 The Bible calls for church discipline for unrepentent sinners - I don't see what is confusing about that.  To allow an unrepentent sinner to infect the church is not allowed - you can forgive without condoning and allowing the sinner to remain among you.  And you seem to think you know whether he has repented better than those closest to him. 

You seem to have no problem whatsoever harshly judging the church while at the same time telling others not to judge.  You should work on your own issues before rigtheously telling others what they should do.

I am not the one tar and feathering Duggar.

I didn't say anyone " needed" to do anything. Just offering up that how the Church responds is just as important as how he responds. You can interpret that any way u please.