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Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

RE: 5 Famous Bible Stories With Logical Scientific Explanations

ed11563 · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
If science could explain one single thing regarding their theories, I might take them more seriously. So here is the question-

If we are evolved from apes - why are there apes and why are there people, but there is no in between? I mean right now - why are there not any "in betweens" right now? What? Certain apes evolved and then nature just stopped the evolution once people became? One thing I do know and agree with science is that evolution doesn't stop - it adapts. So, if we were evolved from apes, there would either be no more apes, or there would be "in betweens".

Maybe the "in-betweens" were killed off by the next ones who evolved. There are some fossils.

Bonny22Pye · Guru

ed11563 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
If science could explain one single thing regarding their theories, I might take them more seriously. So here is the question-

If we are evolved from apes - why are there apes and why are there people, but there is no in between? I mean right now - why are there not any "in betweens" right now? What? Certain apes evolved and then nature just stopped the evolution once people became? One thing I do know and agree with science is that evolution doesn't stop - it adapts. So, if we were evolved from apes, there would either be no more apes, or there would be "in betweens".
Maybe the "in-betweens" were killed off by the next ones who evolved. There are some fossils.

We didn't evolve from apes. Humans and apes have a common ancestor.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I've asked that many, many times. If evolution happened, where are the half fish half humans? Where are the monkey people?

Why are we not finding them because it didn't happen, doesn't happen, won't happen.

ed11563 · Guru

Everything with a scientific explanation could also have a faith based explanation.

Is electricity a gift from God? Why or why not?

When I was young I knew people who would never NEVER go near an airplane. "If God meant people to fly, He'd have given us wings".

Yet we use tools, including aircraft. And hammers and inclined planes (screws, ramps).

Why think that these are NOT gifts from God, just because Man discovered or invented them?

Is the human brain not a creation of God? Is Evolution NOT created by God?

I don't see any WRONG answers. I just see people fighting about the answers. People say "I'm RIGHT and You're Wrong", but both can be right.

Is it a violation of faith to think that God created humans with the ability to create and use tools?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Bonny22Pye wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
If science could explain one single thing regarding their theories, I might take them more seriously. So here is the question-

If we are evolved from apes - why are there apes and why are there people, but there is no in between? I mean right now - why are there not any "in betweens" right now? What? Certain apes evolved and then nature just stopped the evolution once people became? One thing I do know and agree with science is that evolution doesn't stop - it adapts. So, if we were evolved from apes, there would either be no more apes, or there would be "in betweens".
Maybe the "in-betweens" were killed off by the next ones who evolved. There are some fossils.
We didn't evolve from apes. Humans and apes have a common ancestor.

Uh huh. So some became apes and some became people and there's none of the original left and nothing in between happened? That is not actually in keeping with the science I learned about in school.

Lindley · Guru

If we came from apes why are there still apes?

Bonny22Pye · Guru

Lindley wrote:
If we came from apes why are there still apes?

We didn't come from apes. Long long time ago there was a common ancestor that we shared with apes.

Bonny22Pye · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Bonny22Pye wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
If science could explain one single thing regarding their theories, I might take them more seriously. So here is the question-

If we are evolved from apes - why are there apes and why are there people, but there is no in between? I mean right now - why are there not any "in betweens" right now? What? Certain apes evolved and then nature just stopped the evolution once people became? One thing I do know and agree with science is that evolution doesn't stop - it adapts. So, if we were evolved from apes, there would either be no more apes, or there would be "in betweens".
Maybe the "in-betweens" were killed off by the next ones who evolved. There are some fossils.
We didn't evolve from apes. Humans and apes have a common ancestor.
Uh huh. So some became apes and some became people and there's none of the original left and nothing in between happened? That is not actually in keeping with the science I learned about in school.

Well, the fossil record has vastly improved in our lifetimes. There is are lots of inbetween hominids as well.

ed11563 · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Bonny22Pye wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
If science could explain one single thing regarding their theories, I might take them more seriously. So here is the question-

If we are evolved from apes - why are there apes and why are there people, but there is no in between? I mean right now - why are there not any "in betweens" right now? What? Certain apes evolved and then nature just stopped the evolution once people became? One thing I do know and agree with science is that evolution doesn't stop - it adapts. So, if we were evolved from apes, there would either be no more apes, or there would be "in betweens".
Maybe the "in-betweens" were killed off by the next ones who evolved. There are some fossils.
We didn't evolve from apes. Humans and apes have a common ancestor.
Uh huh. So some became apes and some became people and there's none of the original left and nothing in between happened? That is not actually in keeping with the science I learned about in school.

When were you in school, and where? There's been a LOT of garbage taught in schools.

There is STILL a lot of garbage taught in schools.

ed11563 · Guru

Lindley wrote:
If we came from apes why are there still apes?

1) Why NOT?

2) Because we didn't kill them all yet.
Maybe they just don't taste very good to us.

Maybe we just don't feel very threatened by them.

Honeys_Mom · Mod & Permanent Board Sweetheart

Oh, goodie. An evolution vs. creation thread. I'm sure I'll be convinced to change my views somehow. evileye

weltschmerz · Guru

Lindley wrote:
If we came from apes why are there still apes?

Seriously? If dogs came from wolves, why are there still wolves? A Pomeranian has virtually no resemblance to wolves, and yet, wolves still exist.

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Friday 21st of August 2015 07:36:58 PM

weltschmerz · Guru

Here you go!

If Man Evolved From Ape, Then Why Are There Still Apes?
Firstly, man did not evolve from modern apes. Man and modern apes share a common ancestor, which is extinct. However, the question comes from a flawed understanding of how evolution works. Evolution is not a straight line, where entire populations change into new species all at the same time. Often times, a small group breaks away from a population and begins to evolve independently of the source group. The source group does not need to go extinct, and is generally unaffected by the development of the smaller group. This is called "Allopatric Speciation," and it is just one of many ways that new species can evolve. There is nothing in evolutionary theory which states a source population must go extinct in order for new species to evolve.

evolutionfaq.com/faq/if-man-evolved-ape-then-why-are-there-still-apes

Ohfour · Hooker

Wanna know a secret. Like C S Lewis, I am a Christian evolutionist. I hid that for many years until i found out that there were more Christians like minded...

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

weltschmerz wrote:
Lindley wrote:
If we came from apes why are there still apes?
Seriously? If dogs came from wolves, why are there still wolves? A Pomeranian has virtually no resemblance to wolves, and yet, wolves still exist.

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Friday 21st of August 2015 07:36:58 PM

Actually, poms are most closely related to huskies. Yep, the sled dogs.

And living with one, you can see and hear the resemblance.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

As for evolution, I do believe God gave each species the ability to adapt to their environment.

But I do not believe on species can become another.

weltschmerz · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
As for evolution, I do believe God gave each species the ability to adapt to their environment.

But I do not believe on species can become another.

Did you know that whales and dolphins have hip bones? Why do you suppose that is? Yes, they're mammals that once could walk on land.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

No. It's for articulating their tails.

Sorry. Not buying your crap. Peddle it some where else.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Bonny22Pye wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Bonny22Pye wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
If science could explain one single thing regarding their theories, I might take them more seriously. So here is the question-

If we are evolved from apes - why are there apes and why are there people, but there is no in between? I mean right now - why are there not any "in betweens" right now? What? Certain apes evolved and then nature just stopped the evolution once people became? One thing I do know and agree with science is that evolution doesn't stop - it adapts. So, if we were evolved from apes, there would either be no more apes, or there would be "in betweens".
Maybe the "in-betweens" were killed off by the next ones who evolved. There are some fossils.
We didn't evolve from apes. Humans and apes have a common ancestor.
Uh huh. So some became apes and some became people and there's none of the original left and nothing in between happened? That is not actually in keeping with the science I learned about in school.
Well, the fossil record has vastly improved in our lifetimes. There is are lots of inbetween hominids as well.

No. There are not lots.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

People evolve and adapt to their environment. There was a time it was colder and we were hairier. There was a time we had to be stronger. We are actually getting weaker as we depend more and more on modern technology. That's ADAPTIVE evolution.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

weltschmerz wrote:
Here you go!

If Man Evolved From Ape, Then Why Are There Still Apes?
Firstly, man did not evolve from modern apes. Man and modern apes share a common ancestor, which is extinct. However, the question comes from a flawed understanding of how evolution works. Evolution is not a straight line, where entire populations change into new species all at the same time. Often times, a small group breaks away from a population and begins to evolve independently of the source group. The source group does not need to go extinct, and is generally unaffected by the development of the smaller group. This is called "Allopatric Speciation," and it is just one of many ways that new species can evolve. There is nothing in evolutionary theory which states a source population must go extinct in order for new species to evolve.

evolutionfaq.com/faq/if-man-evolved-ape-then-why-are-there-still-apes

If we evolved from something else and the origin is still there - there would be an in between species. To ignore that is to ignore science.

chef · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
As for evolution, I do believe God gave each species the ability to adapt to their environment.

But I do not believe on species can become another.
Did you know that whales and dolphins have hip bones? Why do you suppose that is? Yes, they're mammals that once could walk on land.

Analogous structures.

A lot of species have the same bone types but they're used in different ways.

WYSIWYG · Guru

If we are evolved from apes - why are there apes and why are there people, but there is no in between? I mean right now - why are there not any "in betweens" right now? What? Certain apes evolved and then nature just stopped the evolution once people became? One thing I do know and agree with science is that evolution doesn't stop - it adapts. So, if we were evolved from apes, there would either be no more apes, or there would be "in betweens".
- Lawyerlady

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This isn't my belief, so please take it with a grain of salt. I believe the naysayers have changed from "we evolved from apes" to "we, both humans and apes, evolved from some other source that predates both humans and apes".

That's the most recent theory I have heard, anyway.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

They never explain how a blob of cells developed an eye , an ear , a brain or the vast complex intertwined systems that could not exist apart from one another. No explanation. Just shrug and say "evolution".

weltschmerz · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
They never explain how a blob of cells developed an eye , an ear , a brain or the vast complex intertwined systems that could not exist apart from one another. No explanation. Just shrug and say "evolution".

Of course they have! Just because you've never bothered to research it, doesn't mean they can't figure it out. It helps if you read something besides the bible.

In his review, which was published in the journal Progress in Retinal and Eye Research, Lamb examined a wide range of studies that traced back 700 million years, to when the first light-sensitive chemicals known as opsins began to appear in simple, single-celled organisms. While primordial organisms already had some signaling pathways, opsins enabled them to sense light for the first time.

"But these animals were tiny, and had no nervous system to process signals from their light sensors," Lamb said.

During the following 200 million years, evolutionary pressures allowed for emerging organisms to develop more sensitive and more reliable vision. Around 500 million years ago, many organisms had developed something that resembled the cone cells found in our eyes.

Read more at http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/1112908953/understanding-human-eye-origin-evolution-072913/#LAeQfqwsRgfZLA3P.99

ed11563 · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
They never explain how a blob of cells developed an eye , an ear , a brain or the vast complex intertwined systems that could not exist apart from one another. No explanation. Just shrug and say "evolution".

100 million years, and a nice mix of chemicals ...

One very large science lab.

The things that work keep happening, the things that don't work, stop.

weltschmerz · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
I've asked that many, many times. If evolution happened, where are the half fish half humans? Where are the monkey people?

Why are we not finding them because it didn't happen, doesn't happen, won't happen.

Half-fish-half humans? You can't possibly be serious!!

Nobody ever claimed hominids immediately made the jump from fish to human. I'm reasonably certain that we were never mermaids.

I give up.

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Saturday 22nd of August 2015 01:54:29 AM

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
I've asked that many, many times. If evolution happened, where are the half fish half humans? Where are the monkey people?

Why are we not finding them because it didn't happen, doesn't happen, won't happen.
Half-fish-half humans? You can't possibly be serious!!
Nobody ever claimed hominids immediately made the jump from fish to human. I'm reasonably certain that we were never mermaids.
I give up.

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Saturday 22nd of August 2015 01:54:29 AM

Well, at least you tried!

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Except randomn chemicals dont produce complex systems. So no that doesn't happen in " science".

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Science doesn't provide any more proof than the Bible does. People just put their faith in different things.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Yup. And science can only explain processes. Science can never explain God. But its funny because evolutionists ascribe Godlike intelligence to genes. Oh the genes somehow knew to grow body parts over millions of years.

huskerbb · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
Lindley wrote:
If we came from apes why are there still apes?
Seriously? If dogs came from wolves, why are there still wolves? A Pomeranian has virtually no resemblance to wolves, and yet, wolves still exist.

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Friday 21st of August 2015 07:36:58 PM

But that was because of deliberate human intervention and breeding. Left to "evolution", it's doubtful that Pomeranians would exist.

Despite being the same species, the corn plants grown on farms today bear little resemblance to the corn originated in Mexico thousands of years ago--but it isn't because of anything evolution did--it's because of human intervention and deliberate breeding and crossing.

huskerbb · Guru

No one has yet been able to answer why beavers build dams. Science has no explanation for why the first small water-dwelling mammals that would be considered beavers put some sticks and mud together, or how they would even know how to do it.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

It takes Intelligence to direct life. Life did not arise from nonlife. My dining room chair can sit here for the next 500 million years and it isn't going to spontaneously come to life. Thats just asssnine.

weltschmerz · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
No one has yet been able to answer why beavers build dams. Science has no explanation for why the first small water-dwelling mammals that would be considered beavers put some sticks and mud together, or how they would even know how to do it.

Why do rodents build nests? Beavers built their nests in water as protection from predators and to have a stable food source. All rodents build nests....some in trees, some underground, some in safe depressions and some in water. Why are you fixated on beavers?

It's not magic.

huskerbb · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
No one has yet been able to answer why beavers build dams. Science has no explanation for why the first small water-dwelling mammals that would be considered beavers put some sticks and mud together, or how they would even know how to do it.
Why do rodents build nests? Beavers built their nests in water as protection from predators and to have a stable food source. All rodents build nests....some in trees, some underground, some in safe depressions and some in water. Why are you fixated on beavers?
It's not magic.

The dam isn't a "nest".

weltschmerz · Guru

Of course it's a type of nest.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Something " evolved" in the beavers mind to think it was a good idea.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

What is the need for all the amazing varities of fish , birds, etc?

huskerbb · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
Of course it's a type of nest.

No, it isn't. The dam itself is not a nest. Plus, other water-dwelling mammals, a muskrat, for example, build similar types of nests to beavers, but they don't build dams.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Evolution could never create the breadth and depth of creation. There would be no need. Where did rocks and trees and grass come from? Are trees "evolved" grass?

weltschmerz · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
It takes Intelligence to direct life. Life did not arise from nonlife. My dining room chair can sit here for the next 500 million years and it isn't going to spontaneously come to life. Thats just asssnine.

:::facepalm:::

This is one of the most bizarre conversations I've ever had. Did you ever take a biology course?

Like I said, I give up. It's impossible.

huskerbb · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
It takes Intelligence to direct life. Life did not arise from nonlife. My dining room chair can sit here for the next 500 million years and it isn't going to spontaneously come to life. Thats just asssnine.
:::facepalm:::
This is one of the most bizarre conversations I've ever had. Did you ever take a biology course?
Like I said, I give up. It's impossible.

I minored in biology in college.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Life comes from life. Nonlife does not create life.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
I've asked that many, many times. If evolution happened, where are the half fish half humans? Where are the monkey people?

Why are we not finding them because it didn't happen, doesn't happen, won't happen.
Half-fish-half humans? You can't possibly be serious!!
Nobody ever claimed hominids immediately made the jump from fish to human. I'm reasonably certain that we were never mermaids.
I give up.

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Saturday 22nd of August 2015 01:54:29 AM

So where are the in betweens? If it could happen all those years ago, how come it can't and isn't happening now?

All those evolution scientists have yet to be able to cause the same reaction.

Why is that?

Oh yeah. THEY CANT!

God created everything.

Anyone with a brain can understand that nothing will never become something.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

If you try to pin evolutionists down to the very beginning they will just dance around.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I have never heard a single valid argument from an evolutionist.

weltschmerz · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
I've asked that many, many times. If evolution happened, where are the half fish half humans? Where are the monkey people?

Why are we not finding them because it didn't happen, doesn't happen, won't happen.
Half-fish-half humans? You can't possibly be serious!!
Nobody ever claimed hominids immediately made the jump from fish to human. I'm reasonably certain that we were never mermaids.
I give up.

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Saturday 22nd of August 2015 01:54:29 AM
So where are the in betweens? If it could happen all those years ago, how come it can't and isn't happening now?
All those evolution scientists have yet to be able to cause the same reaction.
Why is that?
Oh yeah. THEY CANT!
God created everything.
Anyone with a brain can understand that nothing will never become something.

Silly me! Of course! It was a magical airborne wizard who spoke the world into existence. Makes perfect sense! How could I have not seen it?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

As opposed to a magical nothingness that exploded into something?