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Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

RE: 5 Famous Bible Stories With Logical Scientific Explanations

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
I've asked that many, many times. If evolution happened, where are the half fish half humans? Where are the monkey people?

Why are we not finding them because it didn't happen, doesn't happen, won't happen.
Half-fish-half humans? You can't possibly be serious!!
Nobody ever claimed hominids immediately made the jump from fish to human. I'm reasonably certain that we were never mermaids.
I give up.

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Saturday 22nd of August 2015 01:54:29 AM
So where are the in betweens? If it could happen all those years ago, how come it can't and isn't happening now?
All those evolution scientists have yet to be able to cause the same reaction.
Why is that?
Oh yeah. THEY CANT!
God created everything.
Anyone with a brain can understand that nothing will never become something.

Silly me! Of course! It was a magical airborne wizard who spoke the world into existence. Makes perfect sense! How could I have not seen it?

No. It was God.

See. I believe it was an omnipotent being who created everything perfectly.

You believe that empty, dark nothing became something on its own.

Tell me again which one makes more sense?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

And why, in all the labs in all the world, hasnt nothing become something?

chef · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
If you try to pin evolutionists down to the very beginning they will just dance around.

Because evolution cannot create something. Evolution, by its very definition, requires something from which to evolve.

Logic dictates there had to have been a creation or a series of creation events. Evolution can certainly take over after the creation event but never before.

Something cannot evolve from nothing.

chef · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
It takes Intelligence to direct life. Life did not arise from nonlife. My dining room chair can sit here for the next 500 million years and it isn't going to spontaneously come to life. Thats just asssnine.

Very asinine.

ETA: To be clear, I was agreeing with you calling nonlife becoming life asinine.

-- Edited by chef on Saturday 22nd of August 2015 01:27:49 PM

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Even if life is created in a lab , what would that prove? It would prove that an intelligent being created it.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I think that species can adapt to environments to an extent. But a dog doesn't turn into something else. Each species After Its Owm Kind.

chef · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Even if life is created in a lab , what would that prove? It would prove that an intelligent being created it.

Good point.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I think that species can adapt to environments to an extent. But a dog doesn't turn into something else. Each species After Its Owm Kind.

This I believe. I don't believe we came from apes. I do believe that humans, like every other species, evolved over time to meet the requirements nature had for us. Our world is ever changing and we will still be adapting millions of years from now.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Even if life is created in a lab , what would that prove? It would prove that an intelligent being created it.

That's my point.

They want to believe the scientists that say evolution but they can't reproduce evolution.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Even if life is created in a lab , what would that prove? It would prove that an intelligent being created it.

That is a great point.

weltschmerz · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Even if life is created in a lab , what would that prove? It would prove that an intelligent being created it.
That's my point.
They want to believe the scientists that say evolution but they can't reproduce evolution.

How the hell are they supposed to reproduce evolution? Dr. Adam Schwartz starts an evolution experiment and checks back 80 million years later??

The mind boggles at some of these statements.

ed11563 · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Even if life is created in a lab , what would that prove? It would prove that an intelligent being created it.
That's my point.
They want to believe the scientists that say evolution but they can't reproduce evolution.
How the hell are they supposed to reproduce evolution? Dr. Adam Schwartz starts an evolution experiment and checks back 80 million years later??
The mind boggles at some of these statements.

Even if life is created in a lab , what would that prove? It would prove that an intelligent being created it.

So, if some research scientists take some chemicals that were present on Earth before there were any living organisms, put them together in a sterile beaker and maintain the temperature, pressure, and light conditions of that time,

and a week or a month or a year later, they find evidence of single cell organisms in the mix that weren't there before,

some people would say that this is creation of Life by an intelligent being (the scientists) and it proves nothing.

huskerbb · Guru

ed11563 wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Even if life is created in a lab , what would that prove? It would prove that an intelligent being created it.
That's my point.
They want to believe the scientists that say evolution but they can't reproduce evolution.
How the hell are they supposed to reproduce evolution? Dr. Adam Schwartz starts an evolution experiment and checks back 80 million years later??
The mind boggles at some of these statements.
Even if life is created in a lab , what would that prove? It would prove that an intelligent being created it.
So, if some research scientists take some chemicals that were present on Earth before there were any living organisms, put them together in a sterile beaker and maintain the temperature, pressure, and light conditions of that time,
and a week or a month or a year later, they find evidence of single cell organisms in the mix that weren't there before,
some people would say that this is creation of Life by an intelligent being (the scientists) and it proves nothing.

Because that's exactly what it is. Where was the "sterile beaker" back then? How do we even know what the conditions were? We don't.

ed11563 · Guru

huskerbb wrote:

Because that's exactly what it is. Where was the "sterile beaker" back then? How do we even know what the conditions were? We don't.

Are you kidding? The whole planet was sterile until there were single cell organisms.

We also know it was originally so hot that rocks and minerals were all liquid, and water was all gas.

Then everything cooled slowly as heat radiated away into space.

But you won't believe that, since you haven't seen it with your own eyes.

If you haven't seen Antarctica or Africa, they don't really exist, right?

huskerbb · Guru

ed11563 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:

Because that's exactly what it is. Where was the "sterile beaker" back then? How do we even know what the conditions were? We don't.
Are you kidding? The whole planet was sterile until there were single cell organisms.
We also know it was originally so hot that rocks and minerals were all liquid, and water was all gas.
Then everything cooled slowly as heat radiated away into space.
But you won't believe that, since you haven't seen it with your own eyes.
If you haven't seen Antarctica or Africa, they don't really exist, right?

No, it was not "sterile". It had all kinds of poisons and chemical compounds present, if the entire thing is to be believed.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

We know,

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.

And

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Even if life is created in a lab , what would that prove? It would prove that an intelligent being created it.
That's my point.
They want to believe the scientists that say evolution but they can't reproduce evolution.
How the hell are they supposed to reproduce evolution? Dr. Adam Schwartz starts an evolution experiment and checks back 80 million years later??
The mind boggles at some of these statements.

So what you are saying is you nor the scientific community has any proof at all of nothing becoming something.

That void could produce even a grain of sand.

No proof.

Yet you mock the very idea that a Supreme Being could simply speak everything into existence and there is a book with more than one account of how that happened and has been around for 2000 years.

You see, while everything on earth was given the ability to adapt to its environment. Nothing on earth ever came to be without God.

You want to hang your hat on some what if maybe, you go ahead.

But to me and a lot of others, those who believe that something came from nothing is laughable at best.

I have a 2000 yr old "lab book" that chronicles the beginning.

You have nothing hoping it becomes something.

weltschmerz · Guru

If everything had to come from something, what created God?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

God always was. He is the great I AM.

ed11563 · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:

Because that's exactly what it is. Where was the "sterile beaker" back then? How do we even know what the conditions were? We don't.
Are you kidding? The whole planet was sterile until there were single cell organisms.
We also know it was originally so hot that rocks and minerals were all liquid, and water was all gas.
Then everything cooled slowly as heat radiated away into space.
But you won't believe that, since you haven't seen it with your own eyes.
If you haven't seen Antarctica or Africa, they don't really exist, right?

No, it was not "sterile". It had all kinds of poisons and chemical compounds present, if the entire thing is to be believed.

ster·ile

ˈsterəl/

adjective

adjective: sterile

1.

not able to produce children or young.

"the disease had made him sterile"

synonyms:

infertile, unable to reproduce/conceive, unable to have children/young;

archaicbarren

"mules are sterile"

antonyms:

fertile, fecund

(of a plant) not able to produce fruit or seeds.
(of land or soil) too poor in quality to produce crops.
synonyms: unproductive, infertile, unfruitful, uncultivatable, barren
"sterile desert"
antonyms: fertile, productive, rich

lacking in imagination, creativity, or excitement; uninspiring or unproductive.

"he found the fraternity's teachings sterile"

synonyms:

pointless, unproductive, unfruitful, unrewarding, useless, unprofitable, profitless, futile, vain, idle;More

archaicbootless

"a sterile debate"

unimaginative, uninspired, uninspiring, unoriginal, stale, lifeless, musty, phlegmatic

"sterile academicism"

antonyms:

fruitful, creative, original

2.
free from bacteria or other living microorganisms; totally clean.
"a sterile needle and syringes"
synonyms: aseptic, sterilized, germ-free, antiseptic, disinfected; More
uncontaminated, unpolluted, pure, clean;
sanitary, hygienic
"sterile conditions"
antonyms: septic

Origin

late Middle English: from Old French, or from Latin sterilis ; related to Greek steira ‘barren cow.’ Sense 2 dates from the late 19th century.

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Sterile definition, free from living germs or microorganisms; aseptic: sterile surgical instruments. See more.

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Sterility definition, free from living germs or microorganisms; aseptic: sterile surgical instruments. See more.

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Are you saying that there were microorganisms while the planet was still a ball of molten rock and chemicals?

weltschmerz · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
God always was. He is the great I AM.

So, everything HAD to come from something, but here is an exception?

weltschmerz · Guru

Comets and meteorites brought microbes to earth after the planet cooled.

Thanks to regular and heavy comet and meteorite bombardment of Earth’s surface during its formative years 4 billion years ago, the large craters left behind not only contained water and the basic chemical building blocks for life, but also became the perfect crucible to concentrate and cook these chemicals to create the first simple organisms.

- See more at: http://www.astrobio.net/topic/solar-system/meteoritescomets-and-asteroids/scientist-suggests-comet-and-meteorite-impacts-made-life-on-earth-possible/#sthash.nKq6hrxK.dpuf

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Sunday 23rd of August 2015 01:08:02 PM

ed11563 · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
Comets and meteorites brought microbes to earth after the planet cooled.

Thanks to regular and heavy comet and meteorite bombardment of Earth’s surface during its formative years 4 billion years ago, the large craters left behind not only contained water and the basic chemical building blocks for life, but also became the perfect crucible to concentrate and cook these chemicals to create the first simple organisms.
- See more at: http://www.astrobio.net/topic/solar-system/meteoritescomets-and-asteroids/scientist-suggests-comet-and-meteorite-impacts-made-life-on-earth-possible/#sthash.nKq6hrxK.dpuf

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Sunday 23rd of August 2015 01:08:02 PM

If this is the case, then it doesn't change anything.

Even if a family of Vulcans landed on Earth one day to have a lake-side picnic, and left their trash behind,

those Vulcans had to have an origin too.

Primordial soup could have been all over the universe at one time.

huskerbb · Guru

And God could have created Vulcans.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
Comets and meteorites brought microbes to earth after the planet cooled.

Thanks to regular and heavy comet and meteorite bombardment of Earth’s surface during its formative years 4 billion years ago, the large craters left behind not only contained water and the basic chemical building blocks for life, but also became the perfect crucible to concentrate and cook these chemicals to create the first simple organisms.
- See more at: http://www.astrobio.net/topic/solar-system/meteoritescomets-and-asteroids/scientist-suggests-comet-and-meteorite-impacts-made-life-on-earth-possible/#sthash.nKq6hrxK.dpuf

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Sunday 23rd of August 2015 01:08:02 PM

Um, ok. Where did the comets and meteorites come from? Funny. Atheists ascribe all the properties of God to other things. God is the ONLY thing that is ETERNAL. That was, is and always will be. God always existed and spoke the earth into existence and everything there is. But, you would rather ascribe Godlike properties to genes. The Genes just KNEW it had to evolve certain attributes over billions of years. Yet, you will believe this but deny.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
God always was. He is the great I AM.

So, everything HAD to come from something, but here is an exception?

Yes. God is Eternal. He is the Uncaused Cause. So, feel free to explain YOUR Uncaused Cause.

ed11563 · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Comets and meteorites brought microbes to earth after the planet cooled.

Thanks to regular and heavy comet and meteorite bombardment of Earth’s surface during its formative years 4 billion years ago, the large craters left behind not only contained water and the basic chemical building blocks for life, but also became the perfect crucible to concentrate and cook these chemicals to create the first simple organisms.
- See more at: http://www.astrobio.net/topic/solar-system/meteoritescomets-and-asteroids/scientist-suggests-comet-and-meteorite-impacts-made-life-on-earth-possible/#sthash.nKq6hrxK.dpuf

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Sunday 23rd of August 2015 01:08:02 PM
Um, ok. Where did the comets and meteorites come from? Funny. Atheists ascribe all the properties of God to other things. God is the ONLY thing that is ETERNAL. That was, is and always will be. God always existed and spoke the earth into existence and everything there is. But, you would rather ascribe Godlike properties to genes. The Genes just KNEW it had to evolve certain attributes over billions of years. Yet, you will believe this but deny.

Put 100 Quadrillion genes together in a pot, some will find a compatible match and reproduce, the others will die off.

And who's saying this is/was not God's Plan?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Where do you get those genes? Remember, they were not there, until they were.

And they did not make themselves.

ed11563 · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Where do you get those genes? Remember, they were not there, until they were.

And they did not make themselves.

What made Hydrogen bind with Oxygen? There was no water ... until there was.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Where do yocrearedilyofc Remember, they were not there, until they were.

And they did not make themselves.

of course they did! Creation created Itself!

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

ed11563 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Where do you get those genes? Remember, they were not there, until they were.

And they did not make themselves.

What made Hydrogen bind with Oxygen? There was no water ... until there was.

God.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Where do yocrearedilyofc Remember, they were not there, until they were.

And they did not make themselves.

of course they did! Creation created Itself!

How did you do that?

ed11563 · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Where do you get those genes? Remember, they were not there, until they were.

And they did not make themselves.

What made Hydrogen bind with Oxygen? There was no water ... until there was.

God.

Works for me. Magnetism and electricity too.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

ed11563 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Where do you get those genes? Remember, they were not there, until they were.

And they did not make themselves.

What made Hydrogen bind with Oxygen? There was no water ... until there was.

God.
Works for me. Magnetism and electricity too.

Exactly. Man didn't create those. Those things were discovered.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Where did Hydrogen and Oxygen come from?

ed11563 · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Where did Hydrogen and Oxygen come from?

Big Bang, orchestrated by Omnipotent.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

So God then?

ed11563 · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
So God then?

Why not?

FNW · Guru

That's why they call it faith. And no scientific explanation is going to shake mine. Because really, it all starts with Him.

Bonny22Pye · Guru

I highly doubt most people are going to be be swayed to creationist or evolution from a message board. It would be nice if people though would take the time to learn the other argument/side so they could have a more interesting debate.

The best part of these discussions is trying to learn something new about the way the other side thinks or where they are getting their information from.

ed11563 · Guru

FNW wrote:
That's why they call it faith. And no scientific explanation is going to shake mine. Because really, it all starts with Him.

"Him"? or maybe "Her"?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

ed11563 wrote:
FNW wrote:
That's why they call it faith. And no scientific explanation is going to shake mine. Because really, it all starts with Him.
"Him"? or maybe "Her"?

Him.

There has never been any kind of indication that God is anything other than Him.

ed11563 · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
FNW wrote:
That's why they call it faith. And no scientific explanation is going to shake mine. Because really, it all starts with Him.
"Him"? or maybe "Her"?
Him.
There has never been any kind of indication that God is anything other than Him.

That's clearly because all the scrolls and all the translations of translations of translations,

were written by MEN. Men almost never give women credit for their accomplishments.

weltschmerz · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
FNW wrote:
That's why they call it faith. And no scientific explanation is going to shake mine. Because really, it all starts with Him.
"Him"? or maybe "Her"?
Him.
There has never been any kind of indication that God is anything other than Him.

There has never been any kind of indication that God is. ~~anything other than Him.~~

FIXED!

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

ed11563 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
FNW wrote:
That's why they call it faith. And no scientific explanation is going to shake mine. Because really, it all starts with Him.
"Him"? or maybe "Her"?
Him.
There has never been any kind of indication that God is anything other than Him.

That's clearly because all the scrolls and all the translations of translations of translations,
were written by MEN. Men almost never give women credit for their accomplishments.

Well it has never been more clear you have never read the Bible.

The Bible is full of stories about women and how important they were.

Ruth

Ester

Deborah

Mary

The list goes on and on.

And yes. God is a He.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
FNW wrote:
That's why they call it faith. And no scientific explanation is going to shake mine. Because really, it all starts with Him.
"Him"? or maybe "Her"?
Him.
There has never been any kind of indication that God is anything other than Him.

There has never been any kind of indication that God is. ~~anything other than Him.~~

FIXED!

No. You are wrong.

I had it right.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

ed11563 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
FNW wrote:
That's why they call it faith. And no scientific explanation is going to shake mine. Because really, it all starts with Him.
"Him"? or maybe "Her"?
Him.
There has never been any kind of indication that God is anything other than Him.

That's clearly because all the scrolls and all the translations of translations of translations,
were written by MEN. Men almost never give women credit for their accomplishments.

Wow. You really don't comprehend the Bible well.

weltschmerz · Guru

A thing can't be a Him, without there being a complimentary Her.
God must be a hermaphrodite at the very least.

ed11563 · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
FNW wrote:
That's why they call it faith. And no scientific explanation is going to shake mine. Because really, it all starts with Him.
"Him"? or maybe "Her"?
Him.
There has never been any kind of indication that God is anything other than Him.

That's clearly because all the scrolls and all the translations of translations of translations,
were written by MEN. Men almost never give women credit for their accomplishments.
Wow. You really don't comprehend the Bible well.

I confess, I have not read it on the original scrolls or in the original language.