TOTALLY GEEKED!

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Man Proposes To Boyfriend At Church

huskerbb · Guru

Sadly, some churches have pretty much abandoned the bible in order to be more accepted by the society at large.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Yep. This church, and many like it, have turned from God and the Bible.

huskerbb · Guru

You will be hated by all because of My name, but it is the one who has endured to the end who will be saved. Matthew 10:22

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Acceptance of sin may be 'acceptance". But, Christians aren't called to be accepted by the world but to follow God.

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

Saying a church (the members) teach the written Word while not practicing the written Word are an abomination themselves.

Churches (meaning the members) that allow this to happen within their walls are not followers of God's written word. They (the members) are accepting what is an abomination to God.

They (the members) are risking damnation, IMHO.

It is written that in the end times, that which is good will become evil, and that which is evil will become good.

It is happening in our life time.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

The Bible says that many will come in His name and they will lead people in the wrong direction.

The Devils a liar.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

I love it!

flan

weltschmerz · Guru

if you want to go by the bible, churches shouldn't be allowed to marry a woman who isn't a virgin. The bible says she should be stoned. And not in the good way.

huskerbb · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
if you want to go by the bible, churches shouldn't be allowed to marry a woman who isn't a virgin. The bible says she should be stoned. And not in the good way.

That statement shows a complete lack of understanding and ignorance of the Bible and Christian doctrine and teachings. It's laughable when non-Christians pretend like they actually know something on the subject.

Ohfour · Hooker

Of course liberals love this. They claim that they dont care what goes on inside churches, but then again, shove their agendas down our throats. I swear, the thesaurus should have liberal as a synonym to hypocrite...

weltschmerz · Guru

How about marrying divorced people?

In the Old Testament Law, a man was allowed to divorce his wife if he found something indecent about her (Deuteronomy 24:1-4), but wives did not have the same privilege. Jesus saw the injustice and pain of divorce, though, and said that neither husband nor wife should separate from the other (Matthew 5:31-32, Mark 10:2-12, Luke 16:18). Jesus also said that remarriage after divorce constitutes adultery:

www.christianbiblereference.org/faq_marriage.htm

So, nobody here remarried after divorce?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
Of course liberals love this. They claim that they dont care what goes on inside churches, but then again, shove their agendas down our throats. I swear, the thesaurus should have liberal as a synonym to hypocrite...

Yeah, I'll get that changed right away.

flan

weltschmerz · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
if you want to go by the bible, churches shouldn't be allowed to marry a woman who isn't a virgin. The bible says she should be stoned. And not in the good way.
That statement shows a complete lack of understanding and ignorance of the Bible and Christian doctrine and teachings. It's laughable when non-Christians pretend like they actually know something on the subject.

Yeah, here's the thing. I used to be a Christian. I was one for a very long time. I went to bible study, the works.

Ohfour · Hooker

Forgiveness Weltz...thats what you are missing...

Ohfour · Hooker

weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
if you want to go by the bible, churches shouldn't be allowed to marry a woman who isn't a virgin. The bible says she should be stoned. And not in the good way.
That statement shows a complete lack of understanding and ignorance of the Bible and Christian doctrine and teachings. It's laughable when non-Christians pretend like they actually know something on the subject.
Yeah, here's the thing. I used to be a Christian. I was one for a very long time. I went to bible study, the works.

So did Ted Bundy....your point?

weltschmerz · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
if you want to go by the bible, churches shouldn't be allowed to marry a woman who isn't a virgin. The bible says she should be stoned. And not in the good way.
That statement shows a complete lack of understanding and ignorance of the Bible and Christian doctrine and teachings. It's laughable when non-Christians pretend like they actually know something on the subject.
Yeah, here's the thing. I used to be a Christian. I was one for a very long time. I went to bible study, the works.
So did Ted Bundy....your point?

My point is...don't tell me I don't know anything about Christianity.

Ohfour · Hooker

Well, when you show total ignorance on a topic, im gonna tend to believe you dont know anything. ..just sayin...

weltschmerz · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
Forgiveness Weltz...thats what you are missing...

Fine. Let the gays marry, then ask for forgiveness. It can't only apply to you. The bible specifically states that remarriage after divorce constitutes adultery.

"Oh, but times have changed?" Then let gays marry. Times have changed.

weltschmerz · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
Well, when you show total ignorance on a topic, im gonna tend to believe you dont know anything. ..just sayin...

Posting direct quotes from the bible is ignorant?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
Well, when you show total ignorance on a topic, im gonna tend to believe you dont know anything. ..just sayin...

"Total" ignorance????

She's quite intelligent, actually.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
How about marrying divorced people?

In the Old Testament Law, a man was allowed to divorce his wife if he found something indecent about her (Deuteronomy 24:1-4), but wives did not have the same privilege. Jesus saw the injustice and pain of divorce, though, and said that neither husband nor wife should separate from the other (Matthew 5:31-32, Mark 10:2-12, Luke 16:18). Jesus also said that remarriage after divorce constitutes adultery:

www.christianbiblereference.org/faq_marriage.htm

So, nobody here remarried after divorce?

Oh brother. If you want to go on a Bible quotingFest, I will happily engage you. The Bible is interpreted in its entirety. Old Testament laws applied to the Jews which preceded Grace. So, if you truly understand the Bible you will know what I am talking about. If not, I guess I will just quote back at ya.

weltschmerz · Guru

Christians have no problems quoting Leviticus to deny gay people their rights. That's the OT.
JESUS said divorce constitutes adultery.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

The thing about forgiveness is, it is a two part process.

You are forgiven when you ask for forgiveness and then TURN from repeating that sin.

Guess you missed that part of the Bible stories.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
Christians have no problems quoting Leviticus to deny gay people their rights. That's the OT.
JESUS said divorce constitutes adultery.

Nobody is denying anyone their "rights'. What rights are you talking about? They have the same "rights' as anyone else. But, the point about Sin is that you are supposed to turn from it and Sin no more.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

weltschmerz wrote:
Christians have no problems quoting Leviticus to deny gay people their rights. That's the OT.
JESUS said divorce constitutes adultery.

Yes. And when you ask for forgiveness and don't have sex until you remarry, then you are not sinning.

See, the Bible says the marriage bed is undefiled.

However, it specifically says if a man lays with a man, as he would a woman, his blood shall be upon his own head. It is an abomination.

weltschmerz · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
The thing about forgiveness is, it is a two part process.

You are forgiven when you ask for forgiveness and then TURN from repeating that sin.

Guess you missed that part of the Bible stories.

But you can stay married to your second husband/wife? Interesting.

Some Pharisees came to him (Jesus) to test him. They asked, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?" "Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'? So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate." "Why then," they asked, "did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?" Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery." (TNIV, Matthew 19:3-9)

Biblical Grounds for Divorce

The word translated in the passage above as "sexual immorality" was porneia in the original Greek Bible text. It means illicit sexual intercourse, including adultery, incest, etc. As quoted in Matthew, sexual immorality by one partner is sufficient reason for divorce, but it does not require divorce. In many cases the husband and wife can be reconciled even after adultery. As quoted in Mark and Luke (Mark 10:11-12, Luke 16:18), Jesus did not mention sexual immorality as grounds for divorce.

No other grounds for divorce are mentioned in the New Testament. The New Testament teaches strongly that marriage should be a lifelong commitment. Things such as lack of commitment, different values/beliefs, in-law problems, stress, incompatibility, lack of concern/consideration, sexual problems, growing apart, illness, incapacity, boredom, sexual desires, desire for happiness or other reasons are not Biblical grounds for divorce.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
The thing about forgiveness is, it is a two part process.

You are forgiven when you ask for forgiveness and then TURN from repeating that sin.

Guess you missed that part of the Bible stories.

But you can stay married to your second husband/wife? Interesting.
Some Pharisees came to him (Jesus) to test him. They asked, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?" "Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'? So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate." "Why then," they asked, "did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?" Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery." (TNIV, Matthew 19:3-9)
Biblical Grounds for Divorce
The word translated in the passage above as "sexual immorality" was porneia in the original Greek Bible text. It means illicit sexual intercourse, including adultery, incest, etc. As quoted in Matthew, sexual immorality by one partner is sufficient reason for divorce, but it does not require divorce. In many cases the husband and wife can be reconciled even after adultery. As quoted in Mark and Luke (Mark 10:11-12, Luke 16:18), Jesus did not mention sexual immorality as grounds for divorce.
No other grounds for divorce are mentioned in the New Testament. The New Testament teaches strongly that marriage should be a lifelong commitment. Things such as lack of commitment, different values/beliefs, in-law problems, stress, incompatibility, lack of concern/consideration, sexual problems, growing apart, illness, incapacity, boredom, sexual desires, desire for happiness or other reasons are not Biblical grounds for divorce.

I addressed this.

weltschmerz · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Christians have no problems quoting Leviticus to deny gay people their rights. That's the OT.
JESUS said divorce constitutes adultery.
Yes. And when you ask for forgiveness and don't have sex until you remarry, then you are not sinning.

See, the Bible says the marriage bed is undefiled.
However, it specifically says if a man lays with a man, as he would a woman, his blood shall be upon his own head. It is an abomination.

Which bible quote addresses this?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

New International Version
Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.

Hebrews13:4

weltschmerz · Guru

...and an adulterer is someone who divorces and remarries, according to Jesus himself. I posted the quote.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Christians have no problems quoting Leviticus to deny gay people their rights. That's the OT.
JESUS said divorce constitutes adultery.
Yes. And when you ask for forgiveness and don't have sex until you remarry, then you are not sinning.

See, the Bible says the marriage bed is undefiled.
However, it specifically says if a man lays with a man, as he would a woman, his blood shall be upon his own head. It is an abomination.

Then why did God create homosexuals?

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Christians have no problems quoting Leviticus to deny gay people their rights. That's the OT.
JESUS said divorce constitutes adultery.
Yes. And when you ask for forgiveness and don't have sex until you remarry, then you are not sinning.

See, the Bible says the marriage bed is undefiled.
However, it specifically says if a man lays with a man, as he would a woman, his blood shall be upon his own head. It is an abomination.

Then why did God create homosexuals?
flan

Why did he create alcoholics, pedophiles, murderers or anything else? Man has choosen to pervert what is Good.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Christians have no problems quoting Leviticus to deny gay people their rights. That's the OT.
JESUS said divorce constitutes adultery.
Yes. And when you ask for forgiveness and don't have sex until you remarry, then you are not sinning.

See, the Bible says the marriage bed is undefiled.
However, it specifically says if a man lays with a man, as he would a woman, his blood shall be upon his own head. It is an abomination.

Then why did God create homosexuals?
flan
Why did he create alcoholics, pedophiles, murderers or anything else? Man has choosen to pervert what is Good.

So being gay is now compared to being a murderer?

ONE is a CHOICE.

flan

weltschmerz · Guru

"See, the Bible says the marriage bed is undefiled.

However, it specifically says if a man lays with a man, as he would a woman, his blood shall be upon his own head. It is an abomination."

So are these things. The church shouldn't marry anyone guilty of the following.....

The following is a list of things the Bible considers an abomination:
•Unclean things (Lev. 7:21)
•Customs of pagans (Lev. 18:30)
•Idols (2 Chr. 15:8; 1 Pet. 4:3)
•Sins of men (Ps. 14:1; 53:1)
•Cheating (Mic. 6:10)
•Lost souls (Rev. 21:8)
•A froward man (perverse; one who turns aside (Pro. 3:32; 11:20)
•A proud look (Pro. 6:16-17)
•A lying tongue (Pro. 6:17; 12:22)
•Hands that shed innocent blood ((Pro. 6:17)
•A wicked scheming heart (Pro. 6:18)
•Feet that are quick to sin (Pro. 6:18)
•A false witness that speaks lies (Pro. 6:19)
•A sower of discord (Pro. 6:19)
•Wickedness (Pro. 8:7)
•A false balance or scale (Pro. 11:1)
•Sacrifices of the wicked (Pro. 15:8; 21:27)
•The way of the wicked (Pro. 15:9)
•The thoughts of the wicked (Pro. 15:26)
•The proud of heart (Pro. 16:5)
•Justifying the wicked (Pro. 17:15)
•Condemning the just (Pro. 17:15)
•Divers, dishonest weights (Pro. 20:10, 23)
•Divers, dishonest measures (Pro. 20:10)
•Refusing to hear the law (Pro. 28:9)
•Prayers of the rebel (Pro. 28:9)
•Eating flesh of peace offerings on the 3rd day (Lev. 7:18)
•Some same sex acts (Lev. 18:22; 20:13; Dt. 23:18) See GayPrejudice.com
•Taking ornaments from idols when being destroyed (Dt. 7:25-26)
•Any Idolatrous practices (Dt. 12:31; 13:14; 17:4; 18:9; 20:18; 29:17)
•Offering an imperfect animal to God as a sacrifice (Dt. 17:1)
•Any traffic with demons (Dt. 18:7-12)
•Wearing clothes of the opposite sex (Dt. 22:5) See GayPrejudice.com
•Bringing the hire of a harlot or sodomite into God's house (Dt. 23:18)
•Re-marriage of former companions (Dt. 24:1-4)
•Cheating others (Dt. 25:13-16)
•Making images/idols (Dt. 27:15)
•Idols of Ammon (1 Ki. 11:5)
•Idols of Moab (1 Ki. 11:7; 2 Ki. 11:13)
•Idols of Zidon (2 Ki. 23:13)
•Incense offered by hypocrites (Isa. 1:13)
•Eating unclean things (Isa. 66:17)
•Offering human sacrifices (Jer. 32:35)
•Robbery (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
•Murder (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
•Adultery (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
•Oppression of others, particularly the poor or vulnerable (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
•Violence (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
•Breaking vows (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
•Lending with interest to a brother (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
•Lying with a menstruous woman (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
•Hardness of heart (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
•Injustice (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
•Worship of anti-Christ (Dan. 11:31; 12:11; Mt. 24:15; 2 Th. 2:4; Rev. 13)
•Incest (Lev. 19: 6-30)
•Things highly esteemed by man (Lk. 16:15)
•Many other sins of the nations (Lev. 18: 26-29; Dt. 18: 9-12; 20:18; 29:17; 1 Ki. 14:24; 21:2, 11; 23:24; 2 Chr. 28:3; 33:2; 34:33; 36:14; Ezek. 7: 3-20; 8: 6-17; 16: 2-58; 20: 4-30; Rev. 17: 4-5)

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Christians have no problems quoting Leviticus to deny gay people their rights. That's the OT.
JESUS said divorce constitutes adultery.
Yes. And when you ask for forgiveness and don't have sex until you remarry, then you are not sinning.

See, the Bible says the marriage bed is undefiled.
However, it specifically says if a man lays with a man, as he would a woman, his blood shall be upon his own head. It is an abomination.

Then why did God create homosexuals?
flan
Why did he create alcoholics, pedophiles, murderers or anything else? Man has choosen to pervert what is Good.
So being gay is now compared to being a murderer?
ONE is a CHOICE.
flan

No, the ACT is a choice. Im sure there are pedophiles that do not act. There are people that really want to murder. They dont act. Being a homosexual is not a sin. The act is...

weltschmerz · Guru

So, a woman with short hair(forbidden in the bible) gets up, puts on a pair of pants (forbidden), gold earrings (forbidden), kisses her clean-shaven (forbidden) second husband (forbidden), and they go out for a nice lunch of shrimp (forbidden), then goes home and lies about how much she paid for her shoes (forbidden), checks her horoscope (forbidden), gossips with the neighbours (forbidden), is jealous of their new car (forbidden), watches a football game where they throw around a pigskin (forbidden), makes pork chops for supper (forbidden)...and then whines how immoral the gays are.
Got it.

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Saturday 29th of August 2015 02:47:41 PM

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Saturday 29th of August 2015 03:01:37 PM

Renegade Time Lord · Am I A Good Man?

I thought this article was touching and awesome. Thanks for posting it, LGS. smile

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

I think once I offered an imperfect animal to God as a sacrifice...

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Old covenant vs. New covenant.

weltschmerz · Guru

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."
-Jesus

weltschmerz · Guru

"I have not come to abolish the old laws" means what, exactly?

weltschmerz · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
"I have not come to abolish the old laws" means what, exactly? Doesn't it mean they're still in effect?

Ohfour · Hooker

"‘The day will come,’ says the Lord, ‘when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and Judah. . . . But this is the new covenant I will make with the people of Israel on that day,’ says the Lord. ‘I will put my law in their minds, and I will write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people’" (Jeremiah 31:31, 33).

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Do you see lines of people with their animals for sacrifice?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Christians have no problems quoting Leviticus to deny gay people their rights. That's the OT.
JESUS said divorce constitutes adultery.
Yes. And when you ask for forgiveness and don't have sex until you remarry, then you are not sinning.

See, the Bible says the marriage bed is undefiled.
However, it specifically says if a man lays with a man, as he would a woman, his blood shall be upon his own head. It is an abomination.

Then why did God create homosexuals?
flan
Why did he create alcoholics, pedophiles, murderers or anything else? Man has choosen to pervert what is Good.
So being gay is now compared to being a murderer?
ONE is a CHOICE.
flan

You asked a question I answered it. Just because something exists doesn't mean God condones it. So, that is really an odd question.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Christians have no problems quoting Leviticus to deny gay people their rights. That's the OT.
JESUS said divorce constitutes adultery.
Yes. And when you ask for forgiveness and don't have sex until you remarry, then you are not sinning.

See, the Bible says the marriage bed is undefiled.
However, it specifically says if a man lays with a man, as he would a woman, his blood shall be upon his own head. It is an abomination.

Then why did God create homosexuals?
flan
Why did he create alcoholics, pedophiles, murderers or anything else? Man has choosen to pervert what is Good.
So being gay is now compared to being a murderer?
ONE is a CHOICE.
flan
You asked a question I answered it. Just because something exists doesn't mean God condones it. So, that is really an odd question.

Why is it odd?

Sexual orientation is not a choice.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."
-Jesus

Old Testament Times demonstrate the need for a Savior. That man is utterly incapable of saving himself. That Man on his own accord can never measure up to God because the standards are beyond us. That is what Old Testament times show. That is why they still had to ATONE for sin using animal and blood sacrifices. Jesus is the Atonement thus eliminating the need for doing that.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Christians have no problems quoting Leviticus to deny gay people their rights. That's the OT.
JESUS said divorce constitutes adultery.
Yes. And when you ask for forgiveness and don't have sex until you remarry, then you are not sinning.

See, the Bible says the marriage bed is undefiled.
However, it specifically says if a man lays with a man, as he would a woman, his blood shall be upon his own head. It is an abomination.

Then why did God create homosexuals?
flan
Why did he create alcoholics, pedophiles, murderers or anything else? Man has choosen to pervert what is Good.
So being gay is now compared to being a murderer?
ONE is a CHOICE.
flan
You asked a question I answered it. Just because something exists doesn't mean God condones it. So, that is really an odd question.
Why is it odd?
Sexual orientation is not a choice.
flan

Neither is alcoholism. Is there not a gene predisposing people to that? Just because you are predisposed towards something doesn't mean you have to act it out behaviorally.

weltschmerz · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
"‘The day will come,’ says the Lord, ‘when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and Judah. . . . But this is the new covenant I will make with the people of Israel on that day,’ says the Lord. ‘I will put my law in their minds, and I will write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people’" (Jeremiah 31:31, 33).

"I have not come to abolish the old laws".

TOTALLY GEEKED!

Man Proposes To Boyfriend At Church, Church Responds Perfectly

This is what acceptance looks like.

Biblical Grounds for Divorce

Biblical Grounds for Divorce