TOTALLY GEEKED!

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

RE: Man Proposes To Boyfriend At Church

weltschmerz · Guru

God made dwarves, hunchbacks and people with poor vision. And yet they're penalized in the bible. I guess being a dwarf is a choice.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
God made dwarves, hunchbacks and people with poor vision. And yet they're penalized in the bible. I guess being a dwarf is a choice.

Where were they penalized?

huskerbb · Guru

flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Christians have no problems quoting Leviticus to deny gay people their rights. That's the OT.
JESUS said divorce constitutes adultery.
Yes. And when you ask for forgiveness and don't have sex until you remarry, then you are not sinning.

See, the Bible says the marriage bed is undefiled.
However, it specifically says if a man lays with a man, as he would a woman, his blood shall be upon his own head. It is an abomination.

Then why did God create homosexuals?
flan

He didn't. It's a sin like any other. People can choose to commit that sin, or not.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

God made heterosexuals too. But, He doesn't give them carte blanche with their sex lives.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
God made heterosexuals too. But, He doesn't give them carte blanche with their sex lives.

But heterosexuals can HAVE a sex life.

flan

huskerbb · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
if you want to go by the bible, churches shouldn't be allowed to marry a woman who isn't a virgin. The bible says she should be stoned. And not in the good way.
That statement shows a complete lack of understanding and ignorance of the Bible and Christian doctrine and teachings. It's laughable when non-Christians pretend like they actually know something on the subject.
Yeah, here's the thing. I used to be a Christian. I was one for a very long time. I went to bible study, the works.

Apparently you came away with zero understanding. Here's a passage you might want to try to grasp:

From John 8:

8 ¹but Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.

²At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. ³The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group ⁴and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. ⁵In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” ⁶They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.

But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. ⁷When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” ⁸Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

⁹At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. ¹⁰Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”

¹¹“No one, sir,” she said.

“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

There are two essential parts of this passage. The first is that we are to forgive. CLEARLY Jesus forgave this woman--and the church is to do the same.

The second is that she is to leave her life of sin--quit sinning.

The church can marry people who are not virgins or who are divorced. That is the forgiveness part.

We are also to forgive the sin of homosexuality.

The difference here is that they don't recognize their sin or make any attempt to no longer do it.

If someone is having premarital sex--that is a sin--but the marriage stops that particular sin. A practicing homosexual is not stopping their sin.

huskerbb · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
God made heterosexuals too. But, He doesn't give them carte blanche with their sex lives.
But heterosexuals can HAVE a sex life.
flan

Anyone can within the bounds of what God has prescribed. Homosexuality is a sin like any other. You can choose to do it, or not.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
God made heterosexuals too. But, He doesn't give them carte blanche with their sex lives.

No, he didn't. God made mankind in his image--without sin. It was the fall of Adam in the garden that man brought sin into the world. ALL mankind are sinners. We must daily ask repentance for our sins.

The difference is that someone who asks a person of the same sex to marry them is clearly not sorry for that sin, and they are not only signifying that, but they are declaring their intention to keep sinning in that manner. They are unrepentant.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
if you want to go by the bible, churches shouldn't be allowed to marry a woman who isn't a virgin. The bible says she should be stoned. And not in the good way.
That statement shows a complete lack of understanding and ignorance of the Bible and Christian doctrine and teachings. It's laughable when non-Christians pretend like they actually know something on the subject.
Yeah, here's the thing. I used to be a Christian. I was one for a very long time. I went to bible study, the works.

Quite frankly, it sounds like you quit before you got to the New Testament.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
God made heterosexuals too. But, He doesn't give them carte blanche with their sex lives.
But heterosexuals can HAVE a sex life.
flan

Biblically - only within the confines of marriage - as defined by God.

Your sex life is really not more important than loving God and following him. That is where people fail so very badly.

weltschmerz · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
if you want to go by the bible, churches shouldn't be allowed to marry a woman who isn't a virgin. The bible says she should be stoned. And not in the good way.
That statement shows a complete lack of understanding and ignorance of the Bible and Christian doctrine and teachings. It's laughable when non-Christians pretend like they actually know something on the subject.
Yeah, here's the thing. I used to be a Christian. I was one for a very long time. I went to bible study, the works.
Apparently you came away with zero understanding. Here's a passage you might want to try to grasp:

From John 8:

8 ¹but Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.
²At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. ³The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group ⁴and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. ⁵In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” ⁶They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.
But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. ⁷When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” ⁸Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
⁹At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. ¹⁰Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
¹¹“No one, sir,” she said.
“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

There are two essential parts of this passage. The first is that we are to forgive. CLEARLY Jesus forgave this woman--and the church is to do the same.
The second is that she is to leave her life of sin--quit sinning.

The church can marry people who are not virgins or who are divorced. That is the forgiveness part.
We are also to forgive the sin of homosexuality.
The difference here is that they don't recognize their sin or make any attempt to no longer do it.
If someone is having premarital sex--that is a sin--but the marriage stops that particular sin. A practicing homosexual is not stopping their sin.

I guess that's why the Catholic church is so forgiving and willing to marry divorced people; because it's so forgiving. Oh, wait....!

The Catholic Church does not permit divorce for valid sacramental marriages. In fact a valid sacramental marriage is impossible to dissolve thereby making divorce not possible if the marriage was sacramental.

In marriage, the two become one flesh in a union joined by God, (Mark 10:8). Jesus speaks about divorce: “Therefore what God has joined together, no human being must separate,” (Mark 10:9). So for a marriage that meets the requirements of being a sacrament, divorce in the Catholic Church is not possible.

http://www.aboutcatholics.com/beliefs/divorce-annulments-and-remarriage/

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
God made heterosexuals too. But, He doesn't give them carte blanche with their sex lives.
But heterosexuals can HAVE a sex life.
flan
Biblically - only within the confines of marriage - as defined by God.

Your sex life is really not more important than loving God and following him. That is where people fail so very badly.

Not MORE important, but it IS important.

flan

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

I love when we have these threads. One side uses Bible verses to back up what they have to say. The other side uses Bible verses to back up what they have to say. We all listen and come away with a deeper understanding of the others views and are much more tolerant and appreciative of our differences.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
I love when we have these threads. One side uses Bible verses to back up what they have to say. The other side uses Bible verses to back up what they have to say. We all listen and come away with a deeper understanding of the others views and are much more tolerant and appreciative of our differences.

I nearly spit my wine on my laptop screen!

Bad NJN!!!!!

flan

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

flan327 wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
I love when we have these threads. One side uses Bible verses to back up what they have to say. The other side uses Bible verses to back up what they have to say. We all listen and come away with a deeper understanding of the others views and are much more tolerant and appreciative of our differences.
I nearly spit my wine on my laptop screen!
Bad NJN!!!!!
flan

biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin

It was really all I had to add!

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
God made heterosexuals too. But, He doesn't give them carte blanche with their sex lives.
But heterosexuals can HAVE a sex life.
flan
Biblically - only within the confines of marriage - as defined by God.

Your sex life is really not more important than loving God and following him. That is where people fail so very badly.
Not MORE important, but it IS important.
flan

Not even close in comparison.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
if you want to go by the bible, churches shouldn't be allowed to marry a woman who isn't a virgin. The bible says she should be stoned. And not in the good way.
That statement shows a complete lack of understanding and ignorance of the Bible and Christian doctrine and teachings. It's laughable when non-Christians pretend like they actually know something on the subject.
Yeah, here's the thing. I used to be a Christian. I was one for a very long time. I went to bible study, the works.
Apparently you came away with zero understanding. Here's a passage you might want to try to grasp:

From John 8:

8 ¹but Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.
²At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. ³The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group ⁴and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. ⁵In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” ⁶They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.
But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. ⁷When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” ⁸Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
⁹At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. ¹⁰Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
¹¹“No one, sir,” she said.
“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

There are two essential parts of this passage. The first is that we are to forgive. CLEARLY Jesus forgave this woman--and the church is to do the same.
The second is that she is to leave her life of sin--quit sinning.

The church can marry people who are not virgins or who are divorced. That is the forgiveness part.
We are also to forgive the sin of homosexuality.
The difference here is that they don't recognize their sin or make any attempt to no longer do it.
If someone is having premarital sex--that is a sin--but the marriage stops that particular sin. A practicing homosexual is not stopping their sin.

I guess that's why the Catholic church is so forgiving and willing to marry divorced people; because it's so forgiving. Oh, wait....!
The Catholic Church does not permit divorce for valid sacramental marriages. In fact a valid sacramental marriage is impossible to dissolve thereby making divorce not possible if the marriage was sacramental.
In marriage, the two become one flesh in a union joined by God, (Mark 10:8). Jesus speaks about divorce: “Therefore what God has joined together, no human being must separate,” (Mark 10:9). So for a marriage that meets the requirements of being a sacrament, divorce in the Catholic Church is not possible.
http://www.aboutcatholics.com/beliefs/divorce-annulments-and-remarriage/

And people enter into that voluntarily. If they are serious enough about their Catholic faith to make their marriage a sacrament, then breaking that sacrament should be really damn difficult.

Louisiana actually has a secular version of this - their covenant marriages. If you choose to do one, you are going to have a very difficult time getting a divorce.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Barring getting away from an abusive spouse - divorce is really not a good thing. Why should it be easy?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
God made heterosexuals too. But, He doesn't give them carte blanche with their sex lives.
But heterosexuals can HAVE a sex life.
flan
Biblically - only within the confines of marriage - as defined by God.

Your sex life is really not more important than loving God and following him. That is where people fail so very badly.
Not MORE important, but it IS important.
flan
Not even close in comparison.

This statement explains a lot.

flan

huskerbb · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
if you want to go by the bible, churches shouldn't be allowed to marry a woman who isn't a virgin. The bible says she should be stoned. And not in the good way.
That statement shows a complete lack of understanding and ignorance of the Bible and Christian doctrine and teachings. It's laughable when non-Christians pretend like they actually know something on the subject.
Yeah, here's the thing. I used to be a Christian. I was one for a very long time. I went to bible study, the works.
Apparently you came away with zero understanding. Here's a passage you might want to try to grasp:

From John 8:

8 ¹but Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.
²At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. ³The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group ⁴and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. ⁵In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” ⁶They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.
But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. ⁷When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” ⁸Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
⁹At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. ¹⁰Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
¹¹“No one, sir,” she said.
“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

There are two essential parts of this passage. The first is that we are to forgive. CLEARLY Jesus forgave this woman--and the church is to do the same.
The second is that she is to leave her life of sin--quit sinning.

The church can marry people who are not virgins or who are divorced. That is the forgiveness part.
We are also to forgive the sin of homosexuality.
The difference here is that they don't recognize their sin or make any attempt to no longer do it.
If someone is having premarital sex--that is a sin--but the marriage stops that particular sin. A practicing homosexual is not stopping their sin.

I guess that's why the Catholic church is so forgiving and willing to marry divorced people; because it's so forgiving. Oh, wait....!
The Catholic Church does not permit divorce for valid sacramental marriages. In fact a valid sacramental marriage is impossible to dissolve thereby making divorce not possible if the marriage was sacramental.
In marriage, the two become one flesh in a union joined by God, (Mark 10:8). Jesus speaks about divorce: “Therefore what God has joined together, no human being must separate,” (Mark 10:9). So for a marriage that meets the requirements of being a sacrament, divorce in the Catholic Church is not possible.
http://www.aboutcatholics.com/beliefs/divorce-annulments-and-remarriage/

Why would you think I give a rat's ass about what the Catholics teach and/or believe? I've already made it plain that I have little use for churches where they stray from Biblical teaching.

huskerbb · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
I love when we have these threads. One side uses Bible verses to back up what they have to say. The other side uses Bible verses to back up what they have to say. We all listen and come away with a deeper understanding of the others views and are much more tolerant and appreciative of our differences.

It depends on who is using the Bible verses. If it is a non-Christian, then their use of them carries as much weight as me using the Quran when having a discussion on religion with a Muslim--none.