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Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

No you Shouldn't forget. But , she did. Nothing bad happened.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Well, it should have. She left the cart in the aisle instead of taking it to the corral. Isn't that a rule that if you break you deserve death? And see, this is why you're supposed to always take the cart to the corral. You can't miss your kid if you leave your cart in the corral.

chef · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
She actually said that she had left all of the kids except the baby in the car. She put the baby in the basket and when she got back to the car all the kids were already loaded so she "forgot" that she had to load the baby. And the baby is two months old.

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You have got to be kidding me! So she purposely leaves her other kids in the car and accidentally leaves the baby in the cart? I call bs.

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chef wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
She actually said that she had left all of the kids except the baby in the car. She put the baby in the basket and when she got back to the car all the kids were already loaded so she "forgot" that she had to load the baby. And the baby is two months old.
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You have got to be kidding me! So she purposely leaves her other kids in the car and accidentally leaves the baby in the cart? I call bs.

That's what she said. She said she usually takes all four in but wanted to get in and out. I don't know how old the others were. One was three. She left the other older ones in the car. Probably with the car running because it's in AZ. Then she put the baby in the cart and went in. She said her "routine" is to load the bigger kids, then put the baby in, then take the cart back. She said not following her "routine" made her forget the infant. She also claims this time she didn't take the cart back but instead left it on the sidewalk of the store.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

chef wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
She actually said that she had left all of the kids except the baby in the car. She put the baby in the basket and when she got back to the car all the kids were already loaded so she "forgot" that she had to load the baby. And the baby is two months old.
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You have got to be kidding me! So she purposely leaves her other kids in the car and accidentally leaves the baby in the cart? I call bs.

Why is that "BS"? The other kids are mobile. You are going to secure the more mobile kids first. I don't see anything odd about that.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Well, it should have. She left the cart in the aisle instead of taking it to the corral. Isn't that a rule that if you break you deserve death? And see, this is why you're supposed to always take the cart to the corral. You can't miss your kid if you leave your cart in the corral.

You all sound disappointed that nothing bad did happen. Because then you could all yell about how she deserved it, etc. hmm

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

So, basically you are all saying "It isn't POSSIBLE" for someone to simply Forget? THat there has to be some malicious intent here. That nobody in the history of mankind ever could forget?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
So, basically you are all saying "It isn't POSSIBLE" for someone to simply Forget? THat there has to be some malicious intent here. That nobody in the history of mankind ever could forget?

No, Gaga - it is totally possible. But it is not acceptable. Why are you having such difficulty with that?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I didn't say "acceptable", I said that it just is what it is. No malicious intent. A mistake. People make them. And if you go back you will see that I didn't say that should mean 'get off scott free". But, what is the point of saying you "shouldn't" forget? You don't purposefully forget, so there is no "shouldn't" about that.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I didn't say "acceptable", I said that it just is what it is. No malicious intent. A mistake. People make them. And if you go back you will see that I didn't say that should mean 'get off scott free". But, what is the point of saying you "shouldn't" forget? You don't purposefully forget, so there is no "shouldn't" about that.

There are things you don't forget - you don't forget to turn off the stove before you leave the house; you don't forget to stop at the red light; and you don't forget your infants and leave them someone sitting in public. You just DON'T. And if you DO, there should be harsh consequences. Because if you "forget" your child - you are an idiot who doesn't deserve to keep it.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

No, you "don't forget" to turn off the stove, but people do. And, sometimes the house burns down. Yes, something bad COULD have happened. She is very lucky that nothing bad did happen.

ed11563 · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I didn't say "acceptable", I said that it just is what it is. No malicious intent. A mistake. People make them. And if you go back you will see that I didn't say that should mean 'get off scott free". But, what is the point of saying you "shouldn't" forget? You don't purposefully forget, so there is no "shouldn't" about that.
There are things you don't forget - you don't forget to turn off the stove before you leave the house; you don't forget to stop at the red light; and you don't forget your infants and leave them someone sitting in public. You just DON'T. And if you DO, there should be harsh consequences. Because if you "forget" your child - you are an idiot who doesn't deserve to keep it.

By this logic, the woman who ran a red light and hit me broadside, doesn't deserve to have a driver's license?

(Okay, she didn't have one at the time.)

Not having a license doesn't stop people around here from driving,

and not being able to take care of your kids doesn't stop women from getting pregnant. Or keeping their kids.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
No you Shouldn't forget. But , she did. Nothing bad happened.

So what? The outcome does not determine whether or not the initial act was good or bad.

Sure, a store shelf full of canned goods could drop on a baby if the mother was standing right there--but that would not make the decision to go get groceries "bad" just because a bad thing happened.

similarly, just because she got lucky and nothing bad happened this time does not mean she didn't do a bad thing.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

ed11563 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I didn't say "acceptable", I said that it just is what it is. No malicious intent. A mistake. People make them. And if you go back you will see that I didn't say that should mean 'get off scott free". But, what is the point of saying you "shouldn't" forget? You don't purposefully forget, so there is no "shouldn't" about that.
There are things you don't forget - you don't forget to turn off the stove before you leave the house; you don't forget to stop at the red light; and you don't forget your infants and leave them someone sitting in public. You just DON'T. And if you DO, there should be harsh consequences. Because if you "forget" your child - you are an idiot who doesn't deserve to keep it.
By this logic, the woman who ran a red light and hit me broadside, doesn't deserve to have a driver's license?

(Okay, she didn't have one at the time.)
Not having a license doesn't stop people around here from driving,
and not being able to take care of your kids doesn't stop women from getting pregnant. Or keeping their kids.

No, a woman who runs a red light and causes an accident does not deserve to have a license - at least not for a while.

Do people really not understand that bad actions should have consequences?

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

She WENT HOME without the baby?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
No, you "don't forget" to turn off the stove, but people do. And, sometimes the house burns down. Yes, something bad COULD have happened. She is very lucky that nothing bad did happen.

Yes, she is. But forgetting your kid needs to have consequences. We've already seen it - people sympathize with the parents who forget their kid in the car, saying they have been punished enough, and people start "forgetting" on purpose. You cannot just say "oh, she forgot" and shrug.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
She WENT HOME without the baby?

Yes, and I don't know if she's being charged with anything!

flan

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

flan327 wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
She WENT HOME without the baby?
Yes, and I don't know if she's being charged with anything!
flan

She got all the way home and then noticed the baby. The baby was left for forty minutes. Not five. Not ten. How do we know? A police officer found the baby in the shopping cart and waited for the mother to return. She's being charged with one count of child endangerment.

If this were a dog the outrage would be out of this world.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
She WENT HOME without the baby?
Yes, and I don't know if she's being charged with anything!
flan
She got all the way home and then noticed the baby. The baby was left for forty minutes. Not five. Not ten. How do we know? A police officer found the baby in the shopping cart and waited for the mother to return. She's being charged with one count of child endangerment.
If this were a dog the outrage would be out of this world.

And she didn't notice on her own - a child had to remind her!

huskerbb · Guru

If you forget your kid, an infant, there should be punishment. A fine, having to take parenting classes--something. There's a HUGE difference between forgetting your keys and forgetting a baby.

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Lawyerlady wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
She WENT HOME without the baby?
Yes, and I don't know if she's being charged with anything!
flan
She got all the way home and then noticed the baby. The baby was left for forty minutes. Not five. Not ten. How do we know? A police officer found the baby in the shopping cart and waited for the mother to return. She's being charged with one count of child endangerment.
If this were a dog the outrage would be out of this world.
And she didn't notice on her own - a child had to remind her!

I guess I just don't get this. No, there is no way I'll ever be able to comprehend forgetting your own child. Does it make her Satan? No. But it makes her a bad parent. You don't forget your kids. I'm glad the baby was fine. But it could have been worse. We don't reward drunk drivers for running into a tree instead of another car. We don't say, Well, at least you didn't kill anyone. We'll let you slide this time. Like LL says, you have to pay for your mistakes.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I've seen it happen. Seen a child left at a store.

Police were called and they were waiting for a child advocate to arrive when the parents showed back up.

They were rather surprised the police were involved.

It took about 45 minutes from the time the boy was discovered till the parents showed back up.

The little boy was maybe 3.if that old. He was in a diaper and tshirt with a pacifier.

This was around 2 in the morning.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

The mom is currently waiting to see if a prosecutor will take on the police recommendation of charging her with child endangerment.

There SHOULD be some charge, imo.

flan

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flan327 wrote:
The mom is currently waiting to see if a prosecutor will take on the police recommendation of charging her with child endangerment.

There SHOULD be some charge, imo.

flan

Yeah, the freakin stupid people are putting pressure on the police saying it was an accident and nothing happened and they are good parents and shouldn't be charged. I do agree that since the baby didn't die she shouldn't get the book thrown at her but she still needs some charges against her. I bet if she has some criminal charges she remembers the baby from now on.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

And she claims that she forgot her son because she didn't have to put her cart back????

flan

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

flan327 wrote:
And she claims that she forgot her son because she didn't have to put her cart back????

flan

Well I was under the impression that not taking your cart back to the corral was a behavior that resulted in death by medieval torture!

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And people say What do you want her to do? Well, first I'd like her to take responsibility for what she did. And no she has not. She's blamed everyone and everything for why she left her INFANT in a shopping cart. "Well, it wasn't my fault because I deviated from my usual routine. Well, I had left the older kids in the car and didn't notice the baby. Well, I usually take the cart back but didn't this time. Well, I was in a big hurry. Well, I had a toothache. Well, the circus was in town." You know, just freakin say you fvcked up. Like this, "I screwed up. It was my responsibility to make sure my children were safe at all times and I failed at that. I love my kids but I messed up. The situation could have been tragic but fortunately it wasn't. I will be forever grateful for that." Instead she's trying to find ways to get out of the charges and calling for others to protest on her behalf to get the charges dropped. I watched a news program where they interviewed the husband and wife. They honestly don't believe they did anything wrong. They do admit to leaving the baby but it's more like an I'm sorry we got caught thing. No real remorse.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
flan327 wrote:
And she claims that she forgot her son because she didn't have to put her cart back????

flan
Well I was under the impression that not taking your cart back to the corral was a behavior that resulted in death by medieval torture!

Please tell me you are NOT one of those people...

flan

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flan327 wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
flan327 wrote:
And she claims that she forgot her son because she didn't have to put her cart back????

flan
Well I was under the impression that not taking your cart back to the corral was a behavior that resulted in death by medieval torture!
Please tell me you are NOT one of those people...
flan

LOL Nope. But I will say that before I married I never took my cart back. Since I've gotten married he's a stickler for that so I always take it back now.

But look, it's the carts fault she forgot her baby. If she had put it back she would have noticed.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Also in the interview they say they are really excellent parents and people shouldn't judge them by this one event.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Also in the interview they say they are really excellent parents and people shouldn't judge them by this one event.

Well, I am judging by this one event!

flan

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flan327 wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Also in the interview they say they are really excellent parents and people shouldn't judge them by this one event.
Well, I am judging by this one event!
flan

I think a lot of people are!

FNW · Guru

With all these situations I've read over the years about new parents forgetting about the baby in the car, or wherever, I always made a conscious effort to make sure I did a head count before taking the car out of Park. Being sleep-deprived, not accustomed to having another being to care and account for, before becoming a parent, I thought that it could be easy to forget if your head wasn't clear. However, since becoming a parent, I cannot imagine "forgetting" your child like that.

Once when the boys were about 3 I had to leave #2 by the car to chase after #1 who was running out into the parking lot (at the preschool) trying to get away from me. I instructed #2 to "stay!" and fortunately, he did. I was gone from him maybe 20 seconds while I chased down #1 and finally caught up to him. I was so scared and angry at the same time.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

And I bet you were in eye sight most of the time. Besides, if I saw a kid unattended I might stop and wait to see if the parent was somewhere near. Maybe their putting a cart away. But after a minute they should be there. It doesn't take more than sixty seconds to do something like that. Definitely not forty.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Also in the interview they say they are really excellent parents and people shouldn't judge them by this one event.
Well, I am judging by this one event!
flan

Ok, you judged her. Now what? Should she fall on her sword and die? Do you want to take all her kids away and toss them into foster care? What pound of flesh do you wish to exact?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Also in the interview they say they are really excellent parents and people shouldn't judge them by this one event.
Well, I am judging by this one event!
flan
Ok, you judged her. Now what? Should she fall on her sword and die? Do you want to take all her kids away and toss them into foster care? What pound of flesh do you wish to exact?

There you go, with the melodrama...

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Also in the interview they say they are really excellent parents and people shouldn't judge them by this one event.
Well, I am judging by this one event!
flan
Ok, you judged her. Now what? Should she fall on her sword and die? Do you want to take all her kids away and toss them into foster care? What pound of flesh do you wish to exact?

Well, why should we even have laws? Why should anyone ever get punished? I mean, go ahead, murder someone. Once they are dead, they are dead, what is punishing the perpetrator going to do? It can't bring them back. I mean, who really cares? The baby was fine. So what if the mother was neglectful. So what if she does it again - I'm sure the baby will be fine next time, too. I mean, geesh, all the people in the world are nice and thoughtful, and will just wait there with the baby until the police arrive next time, too. evileye

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I asked you a question. There are 2 pages of how horrible she is for forgetting. Fine and dandy. Now what do you want to do about it?

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Also in the interview they say they are really excellent parents and people shouldn't judge them by this one event.
Well, I am judging by this one event!
flan
Ok, you judged her. Now what? Should she fall on her sword and die? Do you want to take all her kids away and toss them into foster care? What pound of flesh do you wish to exact?
Well, why should we even have laws? Why should anyone ever get punished? I mean, go ahead, murder someone. Once they are dead, they are dead, what is punishing the perpetrator going to do? It can't bring them back. I mean, who really cares? The baby was fine. So what if the mother was neglectful. So what if she does it again - I'm sure the baby will be fine next time, too. I mean, geesh, all the people in the world are nice and thoughtful, and will just wait there with the baby until the police arrive next time, too.

No kidding. Just leave your kid and it's not a big deal. I have said repeated times here that I'm glad she got charged. She was charged with child endangerment. I don't know if that's severe enough of a punishment but yes, she should be charged with SOMETHING. You don't leave your two month old baby in a shopping cart in AZ in the summer and get off scot free. I'm glad she got charged with something.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

What is one of the first lessons a child should learn?

Actions have consequences.

flan

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I asked you a question. There are 2 pages of how horrible she is for forgetting. Fine and dandy. Now what do you want to do about it?

That is a stupid ass question. What the hell would "I" do about it? I'm not the police. But the police are doing thier job - they arrested her charged her. Now, the dumb ass prosecutor needs to do his job and follow through.

But, I WANT the police to do their job. I WANT the prosecutor to do their job. And if the prosecutor wouldn't do his job, and I lived in his district, I wouldn't vote for him again. If I found a baby and no mother in sight for any length of time - I'd call the cops, too.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

And if I sat on her jury - I'd convict her.

Ohfour · Hooker

Lawyerlady wrote:
And if I sat on her jury - I'd convict her.

I've stayed off this thread because my opinion is definitely in the minority, but I wouldn't convict her...

She made a mistake. A horrible one. One she is likely not to make again. No one was injured.

huskerbb · Guru

There has to be consequences. She's not even sorry.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

huskerbb wrote:
There has to be consequences. She's not even sorry.

No, she's NOT sorry. She blames everyone and everything else for the incident and not herself. She has a list of excuses as to why it's not her fault. She even says it's not her fault. Sorry, but your children ARE your responsibility. And if you can't even acknowledge that then yes you do need some form of punishment to make it hit home that you need to be more responsible.

Good god, this isn't all a big misunderstanding. She left her kid!

huskerbb · Guru

I don't know what the penalties are, but I don't think a fine and some sort of parenting classes or maybe even some community service would be out of line, at all.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

And you have to look at the whole picture here. This is the story she is telling. She says she was in a hurry and went to Frye's to buy candy for her nephews bday. Why would you go to Frye's for candy? That doesn't even make sense. Then she says it was really crowded and she just wanted to get in and out so she left her older three kids in the running car while she went in. So it's really busy and you think it's a good idea to leave three kids locked in a car in a busy parking lot? Don't know how old they were but one of them is three. She says it's not her fault because she usually loads the older kids in first and when she opened the door and saw them already in the car she just assumed she had loaded the baby in. That makes no sense. Then she says she usually takes her cart to the corral but this ONE TIME she didn't and therefore didn't notice the car seat in the shopping cart. Don't buy it. Whenever I go shopping I always do a final once over of the cart to make sure I have gotten all the bags put in the car. Her story has too many holes.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
And you have to look at the whole picture here. This is the story she is telling. She says she was in a hurry and went to Frye's to buy candy for her nephews bday. Why would you go to Frye's for candy? That doesn't even make sense. Then she says it was really crowded and she just wanted to get in and out so she left her older three kids in the running car while she went in. So it's really busy and you think it's a good idea to leave three kids locked in a car in a busy parking lot? Don't know how old they were but one of them is three. She says it's not her fault because she usually loads the older kids in first and when she opened the door and saw them already in the car she just assumed she had loaded the baby in. That makes no sense. Then she says she usually takes her cart to the corral but this ONE TIME she didn't and therefore didn't notice the car seat in the shopping cart. Don't buy it. Whenever I go shopping I always do a final once over of the cart to make sure I have gotten all the bags put in the car. Her story has too many holes.

Her story does have a lot of holes, that's for sure.

flan

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Besides, if you're looking into the back seat how WOULDN'T you notice the car seat wasn't there?