TOTALLY GEEKED!

General George Patten JR lived near my Father's furniture store. He was a customer long after his father passed. The family actually were simple people, lived off the land no matter how much money they accumulated. His Dad was a powerful person, although didn't think that way. He just did his duty to get what ever orders he had to be performed in the most efficient and safe way for his troops.

DWBH, I am sorry you have an issue with Gen Patten. You are young and did not live in the day he was managing our Army's. You really shouldn't judge people from a time you know nothing about. He was awesome.

My grandfather spent a small amount of time with him.

My grandfather was medi-vac. He told me he spoke with him a few times in various places.

Said he was real presence when he entered a room.

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:

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General George Patten JR lived near my Father's furniture store. He was a customer long after his father passed. The family actually were simple people, lived off the land no matter how much money they accumulated. His Dad was a powerful person, although didn't think that way. He just did his duty to get what ever orders he had to be performed in the most efficient and safe way for his troops.

DWBH, I am sorry you have an issue with Gen Patten. You are young and did not live in the day he was managing our Army's. You really shouldn't judge people from a time you know nothing about. He was awesome.

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 I think she is reacting to the specific quote in the OP, not his entire career.

flan

flan327 wrote:

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I know what to do_sometimes wrote:

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General George Patten JR lived near my Father's furniture store. He was a customer long after his father passed. The family actually were simple people, lived off the land no matter how much money they accumulated. His Dad was a powerful person, although didn't think that way. He just did his duty to get what ever orders he had to be performed in the most efficient and safe way for his troops.

DWBH, I am sorry you have an issue with Gen Patten. You are young and did not live in the day he was managing our Army's. You really shouldn't judge people from a time you know nothing about. He was awesome.

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 I think she is reacting to the specific quote in the OP, not his entire career.

flan

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 Had we not had the likes of Patton, 100's of thousands if not million more people would have lost their lives, both American, American Allies, and our enemies.  War is tough, not for pansies.  You give your all when you join the military.  Our military is the very reason why we have the freedom to post things on this board.

I don't see the distinction. Nearly ALL of our major wars have been fought using draftees--Civil (on both sides), WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam.

That's why I have no sympathy for Vietnam draft dodgers. A LOT of young men--my uncle included--would rather not have had to go over to some land they never even thought of before and kill people they never gave a rat's ass about either way, but they did. What makes the draft dodger so damn special?

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There is a very extreme difference in the men of our grandfathers' time and the men of today.

And I don't believe it is better.

Too much hand ringing these days.

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We aren't raising men, anymore.  We are raising gender neutral wussies.   

huskerbb wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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There is a very extreme difference in the men of our grandfathers' time and the men of today.

And I don't believe it is better.

Too much hand ringing these days.

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We aren't raising men, anymore.  We are raising gender neutral wussies.   

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 I take exception to the "We". My son was raised to respect the flag, the Country, the Constitution.  And I didn't care if he was gay or heterosexual.  He did his duty and fought for all our freedoms; even the freedoms of those parents who advised their kids to not go into the military. Cowards.

And I, for one, am grateful to both your sons.

Huskers son is in the army or navy. Right?

Jesse has registered.

Neither of my boys will probably ever serve.

Jesse is autistic and Aaron is legally blind in one eye.

But they will both register as required. I have done my best to raise them with respect of our armed forces and what it has cost to have the freedoms they enjoy.

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Jesse has registered.

Neither of my boys will probably ever serve.

Jesse is autistic and Aaron is legally blind in one eye.

But they will both register as required. I have done my best to raise them with respect of our armed forces and what it has cost to have the freedoms they enjoy.

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 They can still serve in administrative positions but issues such as your kids have, are only accepted in times when we have a high demand.

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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There is a very extreme difference in the men of our grandfathers' time and the men of today.

And I don't believe it is better.

Too much hand ringing these days.

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We aren't raising men, anymore.  We are raising gender neutral wussies.   

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I raised two MEN who manage to be both sensitive AND strong.

flan 

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Jesse wants to get locally trained for emergency response.

He will be able to this year.

He said he can help that way.

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And that is an awesome alternative to the military.  Serve here, on American ground, and help save all of us and care for us in out time of need.

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 I think so too.

And with him speaking several languages, he could be very valuable.

 

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I don't see the distinction. Nearly ALL of our major wars have been fought using draftees--Civil (on both sides), WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam.

That's why I have no sympathy for Vietnam draft dodgers. A LOT of young men--my uncle included--would rather not have had to go over to some land they never even thought of before and kill people they never gave a rat's ass about either way, but they did. What makes the draft dodger so damn special?

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They didn't want to go over to some land they never even thought of before and kill people they didn't know for no reason.

How did that war work out for ya? 

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huskerbb wrote:

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I don't see the distinction. Nearly ALL of our major wars have been fought using draftees--Civil (on both sides), WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam.

That's why I have no sympathy for Vietnam draft dodgers. A LOT of young men--my uncle included--would rather not have had to go over to some land they never even thought of before and kill people they never gave a rat's ass about either way, but they did. What makes the draft dodger so damn special?

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They didn't want to go over to some land they never even thought of before and kill people they didn't know for no reason.

How did that war work out for ya? 

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 For who?  I was like 6 when it ended.  WTF are you babbling about?

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flan327 wrote:

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I know what to do_sometimes wrote:

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General George Patten JR lived near my Father's furniture store. He was a customer long after his father passed. The family actually were simple people, lived off the land no matter how much money they accumulated. His Dad was a powerful person, although didn't think that way. He just did his duty to get what ever orders he had to be performed in the most efficient and safe way for his troops.

DWBH, I am sorry you have an issue with Gen Patten. You are young and did not live in the day he was managing our Army's. You really shouldn't judge people from a time you know nothing about. He was awesome.

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 I think she is reacting to the specific quote in the OP, not his entire career.

flan

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That's the problem.  If she was knowledgeable about said entire career, she would recognize that this one incident is not the sum of his generalship, or his character. 

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 Personally, I kind of agree with Dona.  Although I'm aware of Patton and what he had to get the troops through and that he was a wonderful general, I would not have chosen that quote to show what a "great" man he was.  Since she probably doesn't know much about him - that's not a good introduction.

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 He reformed after that.  although he was always tough and drove his men hard, that was an isolated incident.  I think it is sad so many young people don't know a lot about history.

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weltschmerz wrote:

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I don't see the distinction. Nearly ALL of our major wars have been fought using draftees--Civil (on both sides), WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam.

That's why I have no sympathy for Vietnam draft dodgers. A LOT of young men--my uncle included--would rather not have had to go over to some land they never even thought of before and kill people they never gave a rat's ass about either way, but they did. What makes the draft dodger so damn special?

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They didn't want to go over to some land they never even thought of before and kill people they didn't know for no reason.

How did that war work out for ya? 

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 For who?  I was like 6 when it ended.  WTF are you babbling about?

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WTF am I talking about? I was responding to YOUR post about Viet Nam. 

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 But you asked how it worked out for me--and I was only six.  I had no decision making capacity regarding that war.  

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Yes. Vietnam and Korea were not recorded in the win column.

Doesn't really have much to do with Patton or the kind of man he was and the kind of men that fought.

Those campaigns may have been failures but the men who didn't panzie out, the ones who accepted their job and did their job, they are a breed we don't see a lot of these days.

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But their job was not their CHOICE.

flan 

lilyofcourse wrote:

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Yes. Vietnam and Korea were not recorded in the win column.

Doesn't really have much to do with Patton or the kind of man he was and the kind of men that fought.

Those campaigns may have been failures but the men who didn't panzie out, the ones who accepted their job and did their job, they are a breed we don't see a lot of these days.

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I think a lot of the young men who fought in Iraq and Afgan.. are a long that line of brave strong men.  The firefighters who lost their lives fighting the wildfires in Wa. were brave young men.  They are still there its just the media doesn't make a big deal about them.  Chris Kyle was one.  Those three young men who prevented a mass killing on the train in france were those kind of men.  They are still around.

 

 I do agree those who fought and endured the depression and ww11 were and still is the greatest generation.   

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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Yes. Vietnam and Korea were not recorded in the win column.

Doesn't really have much to do with Patton or the kind of man he was and the kind of men that fought.

Those campaigns may have been failures but the men who didn't panzie out, the ones who accepted their job and did their job, they are a breed we don't see a lot of these days.

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But their job was not their CHOICE.

flan 

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What does this mean?

huskerbb wrote:

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weltschmerz wrote:

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I don't see the distinction. Nearly ALL of our major wars have been fought using draftees--Civil (on both sides), WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam.

That's why I have no sympathy for Vietnam draft dodgers. A LOT of young men--my uncle included--would rather not have had to go over to some land they never even thought of before and kill people they never gave a rat's ass about either way, but they did. What makes the draft dodger so damn special?

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They didn't want to go over to some land they never even thought of before and kill people they didn't know for no reason.

How did that war work out for ya? 

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 For who?  I was like 6 when it ended.  WTF are you babbling about?

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WTF am I talking about? I was responding to YOUR post about Viet Nam. 

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 But you asked how it worked out for me--and I was only six.  I had no decision making capacity regarding that war.  

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You as in the USA. Thousands of lives lost in a completely pointless war with no winners. 

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I know what to do_sometimes wrote:

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General George Patten JR lived near my Father's furniture store. He was a customer long after his father passed. The family actually were simple people, lived off the land no matter how much money they accumulated. His Dad was a powerful person, although didn't think that way. He just did his duty to get what ever orders he had to be performed in the most efficient and safe way for his troops.

DWBH, I am sorry you have an issue with Gen Patten. You are young and did not live in the day he was managing our Army's. You really shouldn't judge people from a time you know nothing about. He was awesome.

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 I think she is reacting to the specific quote in the OP, not his entire career.

flan

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That's the problem.  If she was knowledgeable about said entire career, she would recognize that this one incident is not the sum of his generalship, or his character. 

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 Personally, I kind of agree with Dona.  Although I'm aware of Patton and what he had to get the troops through and that he was a wonderful general, I would not have chosen that quote to show what a "great" man he was.  Since she probably doesn't know much about him - that's not a good introduction.

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 I chose that on purpose.

To show the difference between then and now.

It's a stark comparison.

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Yes, and I'll take NOW over THEN.

flan 

weltschmerz wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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weltschmerz wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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I don't see the distinction. Nearly ALL of our major wars have been fought using draftees--Civil (on both sides), WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam.

That's why I have no sympathy for Vietnam draft dodgers. A LOT of young men--my uncle included--would rather not have had to go over to some land they never even thought of before and kill people they never gave a rat's ass about either way, but they did. What makes the draft dodger so damn special?

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They didn't want to go over to some land they never even thought of before and kill people they didn't know for no reason.

How did that war work out for ya? 

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 For who?  I was like 6 when it ended.  WTF are you babbling about?

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WTF am I talking about? I was responding to YOUR post about Viet Nam. 

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 But you asked how it worked out for me--and I was only six.  I had no decision making capacity regarding that war.  

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You as in the USA. Thousands of lives lost in a completely pointless war with no winners. 

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Still doesn't mean the draft dodgers weren't sissies.... 

Tell ya'll another thing.

Jesse was watching the movie with me. We were talking about it and I said I first watched the movie in high school. It was required in history class.

He said he didn't remember hearing about Patton. He can tell you all about Hitler and Germany. They read Mein Kampf.

lilyofcourse wrote:

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Tell ya'll another thing.

Jesse was watching the movie with me. We were talking about it and I said I first watched the movie in high school. It was required in history class.

He said he didn't remember hearing about Patton. He can tell you all about Hitler and Germany. They read Mein Kampf.

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 They read Mein Kampf?  Talk about BORING.