TOTALLY GEEKED!

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

RE: So HORRIBLY absurd - I cannot believe the levels of thoughtlessness.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Well, the Israeli visitors disagree with you both. And their opinion about it matters much more.
No, they really don't. The lessons of the Holocaust are NOT just for Jews or people from Israel. They are for the entirety of mankind.

Auschwitz is a graveyard of Jewish people. What they think absolutely matters more.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Well, the Israeli visitors disagree with you both. And their opinion about it matters much more.
This is not about someone getting over a purse snatching or such. This is about a whole demographic nearly wiped out by being forced into a "shower". Anyone telling them to get over it, IMO is a jerk and insensitive. Flame suit on.

-- Edited by I know what to do_sometimes on Wednesday 2nd of September 2015 07:58:09 PM
I knew you were going to agree with me. Anyone who has actually studied the holocaust in any detail would think this utterly assinine.

I have studied it in BEYOND detail. I'm willing to bet I've done more studying on it than anyone on this boad--by a LOT.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Um, excuse me!! I agreed with you too!

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

People are forgetting what "showers" meant. DH and I watched a movie with SS about the Holocaust. He's very interested in it. Well, in the movie there was this teenage girl and apparently when they started the showers she landed under about four people. So when she breathed she didn't breath in straight poison. Another thing people don't understand is that they made Jews clean out the "showers". So these Jews were cleaning out all the dead people and they happened upon this girl that was half dead and half alive. They rescued her but she was really sick due to the poison she had breathed in. It was a really sad movie.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Well, the Israeli visitors disagree with you both. And their opinion about it matters much more.
No, they really don't. The lessons of the Holocaust are NOT just for Jews or people from Israel. They are for the entirety of mankind.
Auschwitz is a graveyard of Jewish people. What they think absolutely matters more.

That's simply an absurd statement. One has NOTHING to do with the other.

The fact that they put in some system to keep tourists cool IN NO WAY disrespects the sanctity of the graveyard there. NOT ONE IOTA.

grasping at straws.

huskerbb · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
People are forgetting what "showers" meant. DH and I watched a movie with SS about the Holocaust. He's very interested in it. Well, in the movie there was this teenage girl and apparently when they started the showers she landed under about four people. So when she breathed she didn't breath in straight poison. Another thing people don't understand is that they made Jews clean out the "showers". So these Jews were cleaning out all the dead people and they happened upon this girl that was half dead and half alive. They rescued her but she was really sick due to the poison she had breathed in. It was a really sad movie.

I watched that movie, too. It was called The Grey Zone and had Mira Sorvino in it. It was a good movie and pretty realistic, I think.

msrock · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Well, the Israeli visitors disagree with you both. And their opinion about it matters much more.
No, they really don't. The lessons of the Holocaust are NOT just for Jews or people from Israel. They are for the entirety of mankind.
Auschwitz is a graveyard of Jewish people. What they think absolutely matters more.
That's simply an absurd statement. One has NOTHING to do with the other.

The fact that they put in some system to keep tourists cool IN NO WAY disrespects the sanctity of the graveyard there. NOT ONE IOTA.

I know right? But apparently, we're just not that learned on the subject. lol.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

huskerbb wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
People are forgetting what "showers" meant. DH and I watched a movie with SS about the Holocaust. He's very interested in it. Well, in the movie there was this teenage girl and apparently when they started the showers she landed under about four people. So when she breathed she didn't breath in straight poison. Another thing people don't understand is that they made Jews clean out the "showers". So these Jews were cleaning out all the dead people and they happened upon this girl that was half dead and half alive. They rescued her but she was really sick due to the poison she had breathed in. It was a really sad movie.
I watched that movie, too. It was called The Grey Zone and had Mira Sorvino in it. It was a good movie and pretty realistic, I think.

Yep. The Grey Zone. I had forgotten the title till you said it. It really was pretty realistic. The Nazi's made the Jews actually bury the people they killed.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Well, the Israeli visitors disagree with you both. And their opinion about it matters much more.
This is not about someone getting over a purse snatching or such. This is about a whole demographic nearly wiped out by being forced into a "shower". Anyone telling them to get over it, IMO is a jerk and insensitive. Flame suit on.

-- Edited by I know what to do_sometimes on Wednesday 2nd of September 2015 07:58:09 PM
I knew you were going to agree with me. Anyone who has actually studied the holocaust in any detail would think this utterly assinine.
I have studied it in BEYOND detail. I'm willing to bet I've done more studying on it than anyone on this boad--by a LOT.

Highly doubt that. Not only is it a life long study and interest of mine, but I know people who were imprisoned there and other camps and have talked at length with them. This topic is my number 1 interest in life, after my kids of course.

huskerbb · Guru

The Holocaust Museum in Washington, D.C. tries, at least on a limited basis--to "mimic" some of the things of the Holocaust. They give you an I.D. card, the design of the museum is very stark, they try to impress on you the horrific conditions and crimes committed.

Nothing, of course, can emulate it--but at the same time, there are not many survivors left. We need to try to impress upon future generations the horrific nature of what happened.

huskerbb · Guru

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Well, the Israeli visitors disagree with you both. And their opinion about it matters much more.
This is not about someone getting over a purse snatching or such. This is about a whole demographic nearly wiped out by being forced into a "shower". Anyone telling them to get over it, IMO is a jerk and insensitive. Flame suit on.

-- Edited by I know what to do_sometimes on Wednesday 2nd of September 2015 07:58:09 PM
I knew you were going to agree with me. Anyone who has actually studied the holocaust in any detail would think this utterly assinine.
I have studied it in BEYOND detail. I'm willing to bet I've done more studying on it than anyone on this boad--by a LOT.
Highly doubt that. Not only is it a life long study and interest of mine, but I know people who were imprisoned there and other camps and have talked at length with them. This topic is my number 1 interest in life, after my kids of course.

Doubt all you want. You would be wrong.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

huskerbb wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Well, the Israeli visitors disagree with you both. And their opinion about it matters much more.
This is not about someone getting over a purse snatching or such. This is about a whole demographic nearly wiped out by being forced into a "shower". Anyone telling them to get over it, IMO is a jerk and insensitive. Flame suit on.

-- Edited by I know what to do_sometimes on Wednesday 2nd of September 2015 07:58:09 PM
I knew you were going to agree with me. Anyone who has actually studied the holocaust in any detail would think this utterly assinine.
I have studied it in BEYOND detail. I'm willing to bet I've done more studying on it than anyone on this boad--by a LOT.
Highly doubt that. Not only is it a life long study and interest of mine, but I know people who were imprisoned there and other camps and have talked at length with them. This topic is my number 1 interest in life, after my kids of course.
Doubt all you want. You would be wrong.

Well given your previous statements on this thread, you have not learned well. You must be callous toward the topic.

huskerbb · Guru

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Well, the Israeli visitors disagree with you both. And their opinion about it matters much more.
This is not about someone getting over a purse snatching or such. This is about a whole demographic nearly wiped out by being forced into a "shower". Anyone telling them to get over it, IMO is a jerk and insensitive. Flame suit on.

-- Edited by I know what to do_sometimes on Wednesday 2nd of September 2015 07:58:09 PM
I knew you were going to agree with me. Anyone who has actually studied the holocaust in any detail would think this utterly assinine.
I have studied it in BEYOND detail. I'm willing to bet I've done more studying on it than anyone on this boad--by a LOT.
Highly doubt that. Not only is it a life long study and interest of mine, but I know people who were imprisoned there and other camps and have talked at length with them. This topic is my number 1 interest in life, after my kids of course.
Doubt all you want. You would be wrong.
Well given your previous statements on this thread, you have not learned well. You must be callous toward the topic.

That's an absurd statement. Just because I disagree with you on this does NOT mean I'm "callous".

I know full well the significance of the showers--I think we need to present the history in the starkest terms possible. Watering it down is NOT going to help future generations learn the lessons it holds.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

huskerbb wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Well, the Israeli visitors disagree with you both. And their opinion about it matters much more.
This is not about someone getting over a purse snatching or such. This is about a whole demographic nearly wiped out by being forced into a "shower". Anyone telling them to get over it, IMO is a jerk and insensitive. Flame suit on.

-- Edited by I know what to do_sometimes on Wednesday 2nd of September 2015 07:58:09 PM
I knew you were going to agree with me. Anyone who has actually studied the holocaust in any detail would think this utterly assinine.
I have studied it in BEYOND detail. I'm willing to bet I've done more studying on it than anyone on this boad--by a LOT.
Highly doubt that. Not only is it a life long study and interest of mine, but I know people who were imprisoned there and other camps and have talked at length with them. This topic is my number 1 interest in life, after my kids of course.
Doubt all you want. You would be wrong.
Well given your previous statements on this thread, you have not learned well. You must be callous toward the topic.
That's an absurd statement. Just because I disagree with you on this does NOT mean I'm "callous".
I know full well the significance of the showers--I think we need to present the history in the starkest terms possible. Watering it down is NOT going to help future generations learn the lessons it holds.

But yet, greeting visitors with "showers" as a heat convenience seems like a good idea to you? Most of those visitors are survivors, children or grandchildren of the survivors who grew up with the stories, know the horror and you still think showers are a good idea. Man Husker, you need to explain that.

huskerbb · Guru

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Well, the Israeli visitors disagree with you both. And their opinion about it matters much more.
This is not about someone getting over a purse snatching or such. This is about a whole demographic nearly wiped out by being forced into a "shower". Anyone telling them to get over it, IMO is a jerk and insensitive. Flame suit on.

-- Edited by I know what to do_sometimes on Wednesday 2nd of September 2015 07:58:09 PM
I knew you were going to agree with me. Anyone who has actually studied the holocaust in any detail would think this utterly assinine.
I have studied it in BEYOND detail. I'm willing to bet I've done more studying on it than anyone on this boad--by a LOT.
Highly doubt that. Not only is it a life long study and interest of mine, but I know people who were imprisoned there and other camps and have talked at length with them. This topic is my number 1 interest in life, after my kids of course.
Doubt all you want. You would be wrong.
Well given your previous statements on this thread, you have not learned well. You must be callous toward the topic.
That's an absurd statement. Just because I disagree with you on this does NOT mean I'm "callous".
I know full well the significance of the showers--I think we need to present the history in the starkest terms possible. Watering it down is NOT going to help future generations learn the lessons it holds.
But yet, greeting visitors with "showers" as a heat convenience seems like a good idea to you? Most of those visitors are survivors, children or grandchildren of the survivors who grew up with the stories, know the horror and you still think showers are a good idea. Man Husker, you need to explain that.

No, "most" of the visitors are NOT survivors--or related to any of them. That is not a true statement. Jewish visitors are by far a minority of those who visit--a significant minority--but a minority, nonetheless. The top countries for visitors last year were Poland, the U.K., the U.S., Italy, Germany, and then Israel, in that order. 70% of the visitors were young people--they don't define that, but safe to assume that group would not include survivors, or even children of most survivors who would be in at least their 40's, if not much older.

I'm not sure you are as well versed on the subject as you seem to think you are.

Beyond that, again, there are VERY FEW survivors even left. I'm much more concerned at this point about current and future generations "forgetting" what happened. Those who don't know history--are doomed to repeat it.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Wednesday 2nd of September 2015 08:45:27 PM

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Done Husker. Advocating showers as a convenience at concentration camps is a total fail. Get over yourself.

huskerbb · Guru

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Done Husker. Advocating showers as a convenience at concentration camps is a total fail. Get over yourself.

No, it isn't. Many of the visitors, probably most, did not object. I would have rather they actually put them in the chambers and shut the doors for a few minutes. Make it voluntary, of course (which they are, anyway, so if people don't like them they don't have to use them).

If you want to whitewash the event and make it seem like just another footnote in history--be my guest. I DO NOT, VEHEMENTLY DO NOT, feel that is the way to go. Without knowing the horrors, future generations will soon forget.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Wednesday 2nd of September 2015 08:50:38 PM

huskerbb · Guru

I just looked at the pictures of the "showers". Good grief. They IN NO WAY resemble anything the Nazi's used. Much ado about nothing. They don't even leave them up all the time. They only have them out during very hot days.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Well, the Israeli visitors disagree with you both. And their opinion about it matters much more.
This is not about someone getting over a purse snatching or such. This is about a whole demographic nearly wiped out by being forced into a "shower". Anyone telling them to get over it, IMO is a jerk and insensitive. Flame suit on.

-- Edited by I know what to do_sometimes on Wednesday 2nd of September 2015 07:58:09 PM
I knew you were going to agree with me. Anyone who has actually studied the holocaust in any detail would think this utterly assinine.
I have studied it in BEYOND detail. I'm willing to bet I've done more studying on it than anyone on this boad--by a LOT.

Uh....no. Try honors courses throughout college for my history AND political science majors, plus as my independent study and senior thesis. So unless you have a master's degree on the subject, I think NOT.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
I just looked at the pictures of the "showers". Good grief. They IN NO WAY resemble anything the Nazi's used. Much ado about nothing. They don't even leave them up all the time. They only have them out during very hot days.

Just the very IDEA of showers at the entrance to this camp is horrific. And those things? They are nothing like any of the "misters" I've seen in other tourist areas nor was that like a cooling station I've seen elsewhere. It was a thrown together contraption that looks like it could be part of the camp. It's horrid.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Well, the Israeli visitors disagree with you both. And their opinion about it matters much more.
This is not about someone getting over a purse snatching or such. This is about a whole demographic nearly wiped out by being forced into a "shower". Anyone telling them to get over it, IMO is a jerk and insensitive. Flame suit on.

-- Edited by I know what to do_sometimes on Wednesday 2nd of September 2015 07:58:09 PM
I knew you were going to agree with me. Anyone who has actually studied the holocaust in any detail would think this utterly assinine.
I have studied it in BEYOND detail. I'm willing to bet I've done more studying on it than anyone on this boad--by a LOT.
Uh....no. Try honors courses throughout college for my history AND political science majors, plus as my independent study and senior thesis. So unless you have a master's degree on the subject, I think NOT.

Master's degree--no. Pretty much the same set of courses--yes. Honors history and anthropology classes. Several independent study projects. Senior Anthro. thesis.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
I just looked at the pictures of the "showers". Good grief. They IN NO WAY resemble anything the Nazi's used. Much ado about nothing. They don't even leave them up all the time. They only have them out during very hot days.
Just the very IDEA of showers at the entrance to this camp is horrific. And those things? They are nothing like any of the "misters" I've seen in other tourist areas nor was that like a cooling station I've seen elsewhere. It was a thrown together contraption that looks like it could be part of the camp. It's horrid.

??? If you know ANYTHING about Nazis--you should know they NEVER "threw" anything together. It was all highly planned, organized, and well-constructed.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

I don't know why ya'll are trying to convince husker you're smarter than he is.

huskerbb · Guru

Me, either.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
I don't know why ya'll are trying to convince husker you're smarter than he is.

Cuz we iz!

flan

huskerbb · Guru

That is a lie.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Scary thought, husker?

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I am WAAAAAYYYYYYYY smarter than Husker. Pretty much just by virtue of the fact that I'm a woman and he's a man. biggrin

huskerbb · Guru

Oh sure.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

An intelligent woman is scary...

flan