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San Francisco elementary school removes boys' and girls' bathrooms and makes them gender neutral

  • The elementary school is trying to accommodate young students who don't fit into gender norms
  • Ari Braverman, 6, likes to dress like a girl and is happy about the gender neutral bathrooms
  • School principal says parents have been supportive

By Kiri Blakeley For Dailymail.com

Published: 21:04 EST, 3 September 2015 | Updated: 21:57 EST, 3 September 2015

 

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One elementary school had decided to do away with boys' and girls' bathrooms. There will now just be bathrooms.

Miraloma Elementary in San Francisco, California is busy doing away with its gender assigned bathrooms and making them gender neutral for their young students.

Principal Sam Bass said the change was in part due to eight students who do not fit into traditional gender norms - and range from tomboys to transgender.

The school began removing the circles, triangles and stick-figure signs from restrooms at the start of this school year, according to SF Gate. 

California law says that students can use whichever gender bathroom they identify with 
 
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California law says that students can use whichever gender bathroom they identify with 

Miraloma Elementary (above) has begun removing its signs and stick figures from bathroom doors 
 
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Miraloma Elementary (above) has begun removing its signs and stick figures from bathroom doors 

The bathrooms in kindergarten and first-grade classrooms at Miraloma, as well as a centralized bathroom, are gender-neutral. 

The school will phase in the other restrooms used by older children over the next few years, including outside bathrooms with multiple stalls.

'There’s no need to make them gender-specific anymore,' said the principal, adding that the parents of the students have been supportive.

 

He said one parent told him, 'So you're making it like it is at home.'

Miraloma Elementary has begun neutralizing its gender based bathrooms 
 
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Miraloma Elementary has begun neutralizing its gender based bathrooms 

A 2013 California law requires schools to allow students to use the bathroom consistent with the gender the child identifies with, a policy San Francisco passed 10 years ago.

'I think most people don’t think about how difficult it can be, going to the bathroom for someone like my son,' said a woman named Jae, who refused to give her last name to protect her son.

Her son, a first-grader, is a boy who identifies as a boy but prefers to dress and style his hair like a girl.

'He was just struggling with it quietly,' the mom added. '[Now] he can just use the restroom without thinking about it.' 

 
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Lila Perry, 17, identifies as a girl and wants to use the girls' restroom at Hillsboro High School in Missouri
 
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Lila Perry, 17, identifies as a girl and wants to use the girls' restroom at Hillsboro High School in Missouri

Ari Braverman, 6, says he too is happy about the bathroom change since he likes to dress like a girl and doesn't discriminate between boys' and girls' toys. 

'I think it’s nice because then people don’t have to be separated just to go into bathrooms,' Ari said. 'It’s just easier to go to the bathroom if there’s just a bathroom.'

Ari's dad, Gedalia Braverman, agreed, saying, 'As parents, you eventually realize it’s not your job to change your child’s personality. It’s not my job to identify and pigeonhole my children’s genders, and certainly it’s not the school’s.'

Kevin Gogan, the district’s director of safety and wellness, said that one percent of the district's children identify as transgender, meaning about 300 students.

He said gender neutral bathrooms are a way of accommodating and protecting them.

But bathroom neutrality isn't welcomed everywhere.

On Monday, almost 200 high school students walked out of class in Hillsboro High School outside of St. Louis, Missouri to protest the use of the girls’ restrooms and locker room by Lila Perry, a transgender teen, according to the New York Times.

Not just for kids: Even Caitlyn Jenner (above) was thrown for a loop over which bathroom to use at her country club
 
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Not just for kids: Even Caitlyn Jenner (above) was thrown for a loop over which bathroom to use at her country club

For transgenders, issue of which bathroom to use isn't relegated to schools.

In a recent episode of I Am Cait, the most famous transgender woman in the country, Caitlyn Jenner,  65, revealed she is stressed out about which locker room to use at her country club, and put the her former name, Bruce, on her application to avoid the issue.

'I'll worry about the locker rooms later on down the line,' she said.  



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Ok.

Here's the thing.

If these people "identify" with a certain gender, then why not use the bathroom they identify with and keep the male and female bathrooms?

And now that these 2 or 3 are comfortable in going to a bathroom with no specific gender, what about the other 1000 people in the school who are not comfortable with it?

This is quickly moving into idiocy.

One thing that keeps standing out to me. It seems it is the men or parents of the boys who are pushing this. This shows that they will NEVER understand what it is to be a woman.

I use to want grandkids someday. Now I don't know if it would be right to bring a child into this world now.



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Well, you don't bring your own grandkids into the world, so that's kind of not your decision, lol.

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I know that.

Just saying why would someone want to bring a child into this broken world now?



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The world was broken when Adam and Eve started a family. If you believe in God, then you know the end of the story. There have always been and always will be difficulties on Earth.

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Oh good Lord.



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Oh good Lord what? There is chaos, famine, wars, etc. That has been going on since the beginning of time. And, souls and human beings are eternal. Not sure how Non existence would be better than existing.

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Oh good Lord.

Well, I guess now you know how you sound when you get a bit preachy, lol.  biggrin 



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I use to want grandkids someday. Now I don't know if it would be right to bring a child into this world now.

I think this attitude is just silly. 

I heard people saying this when I was little, when we were having "duck and cover" drills in elementary school because the Ruskis might drop The Bomb on Cleveland.

 

People have always had craziness to deal with. And people keep making babies anyway. AND most of those babies grow up and make NEW babies.

 

It's always right to bring new children into the world, although I think it's best to bring them into stable, two-parent homes.

 



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lilyofcourse wrote:

I know that.

Just saying why would someone want to bring a child into this broken world now?

 Because of the HOPE, FAITH and LOVE.  Hope and faith that they will make the world a better place, and love of children and life.



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Lawyerlady wrote:
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I know that.

Just saying why would someone want to bring a child into this broken world now?

 Because of the HOPE, FAITH and LOVE.  Hope and faith that they will make the world a better place, and love of children and life.

Seriously!!

Someone needs to take off the blinders...

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Goodness.

Of course kids are wonderful. Hope and all that.

But there is no denying the debauchery and depravity that seems to have seeped into just about everything.

I think, if I were of child bearing years, I would think twice before getting pregnant.

I mean look at the direction we are headed.

But please. Let's focus on that one thing I said instead of the whole of the OP.



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We'll discuss what we choose. The statement is stupid & several of us have pointed that out.

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Oh the hypocrisy. Saying that it is a good thing to bring a child into the world--while favoring the means not to, namely, abortion.

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Oh the hypocrisy. Saying that it is a good thing to bring a child into the world--while favoring the means not to, namely, abortion.

 Oh the ignorance. I favor CHOICE...not MY body, not MY choice.

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Oh the hypocrisy. Saying that it is a good thing to bring a child into the world--while favoring the means not to, namely, abortion.

 Oh the ignorance. I favor CHOICE...not MY body, not MY choice.

flan

 When you are killing someone else, it's not just your body.  



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Oh the hypocrisy. Saying that it is a good thing to bring a child into the world--while favoring the means not to, namely, abortion.

 Oh the ignorance. I favor CHOICE...not MY body, not MY choice.

flan

 When you are killing someone else, it's not just your body.  

 A fetus that is not yet viable to survive outside the womb...

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Goodness.

Of course kids are wonderful. Hope and all that.

But there is no denying the debauchery and depravity that seems to have seeped into just about everything.

I think, if I were of child bearing years, I would think twice before getting pregnant.

I mean look at the direction we are headed.

But please. Let's focus on that one thing I said instead of the whole of the OP.

Which direction is that? 



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flan327 wrote:
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Oh the hypocrisy. Saying that it is a good thing to bring a child into the world--while favoring the means not to, namely, abortion.

 Oh the ignorance. I favor CHOICE...not MY body, not MY choice.

flan

 When you are killing someone else, it's not just your body.  

 A fetus that is not yet viable to survive outside the womb...

flan

 Is still ALIVE. Still has a heartbeat. Still is breathing. Or do you deny all that just because the baby couldn't survive outside the womb yet?

A fetus is still a baby, Flan, whether you want to admit it or not.



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Re the restrooms ... School isn't the platform for this. Public places, sure. Not schools. Children should not have to use the restroom with the opposite sex if they don't want to.

Re bringing a child into this world ... I understand what you mean, Lily. I don't like this world either. Neither does DH. We're both sad that DS has to grow up in it. But hey, maybe some of the kids being born into this world will return it to a more moral state.

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chef wrote:
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Oh the hypocrisy. Saying that it is a good thing to bring a child into the world--while favoring the means not to, namely, abortion.

 Oh the ignorance. I favor CHOICE...not MY body, not MY choice.

flan

 When you are killing someone else, it's not just your body.  

 A fetus that is not yet viable to survive outside the womb...

flan

 Is still ALIVE. Still has a heartbeat. Still is breathing. Or do you deny all that just because the baby couldn't survive outside the womb yet?

A fetus is still a baby, Flan, whether you want to admit it or not.

  All the arguing about "viability" is totally a straw man.  A baby is perfectly VIABLE in the  environment that the baby is in.  If I held your head under water for 20 min, then you are not very "viable".  Same argument.   



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Well, I happen to think it is a great time to be alive Lilly!

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Goodness.

Of course kids are wonderful. Hope and all that.

But there is no denying the debauchery and depravity that seems to have seeped into just about everything.

I think, if I were of child bearing years, I would think twice before getting pregnant.

I mean look at the direction we are headed.

But please. Let's focus on that one thing I said instead of the whole of the OP.

Which direction is that? 

 Wait!!! I need POPCORN...

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
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Oh the hypocrisy. Saying that it is a good thing to bring a child into the world--while favoring the means not to, namely, abortion.

 Oh the ignorance. I favor CHOICE...not MY body, not MY choice.

flan

 When you are killing someone else, it's not just your body.  

 A fetus that is not yet viable to survive outside the womb...

flan

 Is still ALIVE. Still has a heartbeat. Still is breathing. Or do you deny all that just because the baby couldn't survive outside the womb yet?

A fetus is still a baby, Flan, whether you want to admit it or not.

  All the arguing about "viability" is totally a straw man.  A baby is perfectly VIABLE in the  environment that the baby is in.  If I held your head under water for 20 min, then you are not very "viable".  Same argument.   

 Exactly. I agree.



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I agree with lady ga ga, chef and husker. My grandbaby was a premie and she was so little so alert. It saddens me that some people push for late term abortions as late as when she was born. They say to save the life of the mother? My daughter would have had a stroke or possibly died if they didn't take the baby. They did not have to kill my grandbaby to save my daughter.

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I don't "push" for late-term abortions.

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I agree with lady ga ga, chef and husker. My grandbaby was a premie and she was so little so alert. It saddens me that some people push for late term abortions as late as when she was born. They say to save the life of the mother? My daughter would have had a stroke or possibly died if they didn't take the baby. They did not have to kill my grandbaby to save my daughter.

  That is just a lot of false teaching from the ProAbortionists.   If the Mother's life is in danger, so is the baby's.  The TREATMENT in that case is to deliver the baby.  Yes, the baby may be premature, but that is the only real option and if the baby is not delivered then both will die.  There is no medical indication to abort a baby in that instance.  That is a pure and bold face lie. 



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From restroom use to abortion. Not a change of direction I would have expected.

But to address the OP: I hope they are doing it with separate stalls in what used to be the "boys" bathrooms. I remember my days in Elementary school, urinals that looked, from my perspective, like they were about 10 feet tall going from floor to over my head, without ant stalls or separator walls.

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From restroom use to abortion. Not a change of direction I would have expected.

But to address the OP: I hope they are doing it with separate stalls in what used to be the "boys" bathrooms. I remember my days in Elementary school, urinals that looked, from my perspective, like they were about 10 feet tall going from floor to over my head, without ant stalls or separator walls.

 We aim to please!

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Oh the hypocrisy. Saying that it is a good thing to bring a child into the world--while favoring the means not to, namely, abortion.

 Oh the ignorance. I favor CHOICE...not MY body, not MY choice.

flan

 When you are killing someone else, it's not just your body.  

 A fetus that is not yet viable to survive outside the womb...

flan

So what? Irrelevant.  An infant could not survive without a LOT of care, either, even outside of the womb.

 

Besides, even if you are talking a parasite/host relationship in nature--it is still TWO distinct bodies.   



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Morning, husker!

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