TOTALLY GEEKED!

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I'm stretched thin. I'm not just tired. I'm bone tired. I feel like Bilbo Baggins when he says, "I feel thin, sort of stretched, like butter scraped over too much bread."

And it's not that I need to just have better life-decompression-strategies. I (usually) practice sabbath, (try to) set healthy boundaries, (often) swim like a shark, (try to) steep myself in scripture, and (especially during the summer) drink all the margaritas and "stress-relief tea" a girl could ask for. But even then, I can feel like one of those teeny pats o' butter scraped over too much freaking bread.

Because sometimes, no matter how well we destress, or how efficiently and productively we work, life can still throw us a curve ball.

And when more-than-we-can-handle-curve-balls happen in our lives, some well-meaning folk will rattle off the expression: "God won't give you more than you can handle." But here's the thing. I'm not sure that's right.

Sometimes we DO have more than we can handle. And I simply don't believe God is dishing out all those cosmic dung heaps we politely refer to as "curve balls."

Still, even if God doesn't "give" us more than we can handle, perhaps God sometimes allows more than we alone can handle so we learn to be vulnerable with God and with one another.

When I have "more than I can handle" I'm confronted by my own human fragility and limits. When I'm spread too thin, I don't have the luxury of being self-reliant. When I'm weak, I have no option but to ask for help. It's humbling, but (usually and thankfully) not humiliating.

Being pushed beyond what I can bear gives me space to be in authentic community. Sometimes it's not the idyllic community I once envisioned. But it's still a gift.

All to say, if you're like me and feel like you actually DO have more than you can handle, join the club. Or better yet, join me in trusting those placed in our lives.

How about it? Let's take a risk. Be vulnerable. Be real. Be honest. Be weak. Instead of "leaning in" with our own strength, let's lean on God and our community. In doing so, maybe we can find pockets of joy and moments of rest.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tara-woodardlehman/more-than-you-can-handle_b_8091894.html?utm_hp_ref=religion

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Honestly, I think that phrase has done more damage to people in the name of Christianity. That particular verse is referring to TEMPTATION. Aka, that you will be tempted, but by the Grace of God you can escape or not succumb to the temptation to sin. It is NOT referring to the trials and tribulations of life that plague everyone. Sheesh.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Well, of course. And many times, we forget that we are supposed to rest one day a week to re-charge. How many people take the day of rest seriously?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

And, Jesus told us to take one day at a time. Focus on today and dont' worry about tomorrow. There is tons of good advice in the Bible.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Honestly, I think that phrase has done more damage to people in the name of Christianity. That particular verse is referring to TEMPTATION. Aka, that you will be tempted, but by the Grace of God you can escape or not succumb to the temptation to sin. It is NOT referring to the trials and tribulations of life that plague everyone. Sheesh.

And a lot of the trials and tribulations people face are a direct result of not following God's word.

Southern_Belle · Nothing's Impossible

I think a lot of people bring a lot of it on themselves.

karl271 · Guru

Exactly. Could not agree more.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

People forget the "through Him who strengthens me".

People want to lean on their own understanding. Not fully give over to God.

They like to say how much they trust in God.

But they don't trust God.

Renegade Time Lord · Am I A Good Man?

Southern_Belle wrote:
I think a lot of people bring a lot of it on themselves.

This. I am not a religious person. I believe that many people do bring on a lot of what happens to them. Whether it be through one's actions, thoughts and feelings, the power of the mind is very persuasive. And sometimes, others are not able to make choices on their own and so they trust in other people to make choices for them. I would not trust in someone else to make decisions for me or guide me down a path that will be detrimental to me. I have learned a lot of life lessons in this existence, and I have actually applied what I have learned to make my life better. And it works, for me at least. I do not have to believe in a "higher power" who "watches" over me and determines whether or not my life is difficult or easy by throwing challenges my way. I admit that I caused myself a lot of grief and heartache in the past, but I did learn to overcome it, without the help of anyone else but myself. I realized I made mistakes, accepted that I made mistakes, read about and made the effort to rise above it, and eventually did rise above challenges presented to me. There was no one who made me do the things I did but myself.

Instead of looking for something outside of themselves, people should look inside themselves, and make the effort to really understand why they are the way they are, or do the things they do, or say the things they say. We as a society like to take the easy way out. Blame others for what happens to us, take medications to calm and sedate us, etc. Taking responsibility for one's actions and introspection are just two of the best gifts people could give themselves. I know it can be done because I have. It helps me to live an honest, real, strong life, knowing that I am responsible for me, no one else. Yes, I have the capability to be weak and vulnerable sometimes, but I get over it soon enough on my own, because no one is going to do it for me. All I have is myself, not the luxury or fortune of having family or an SO or really close friends, so I am the only one responsible for my life. It works for me. smile

WYSIWYG · Guru

And a lot of the trials and tribulations people face are a direct result of not following God's word.
- Lawyerlady

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I will definitely agree with you on that one, but I would take it a step further and add: or a direct result of following parts of His word and ignoring other parts. Kim Davis is a perfect example of someone following parts but ignoring parts. She's following the parts about being against gay marriage, but not following the parts about following the laws of man and the part that says that Governments are instituted by God. Because of her failure to follow all of His word, she finds herself in a legal mess that she's not likely to get out of for some time to come.

huskerbb · Guru

WYSIWYG wrote:
And a lot of the trials and tribulations people face are a direct result of not following God's word.
- Lawyerlady

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I will definitely agree with you on that one, but I would take it a step further and add: or a direct result of following parts of His word and ignoring other parts. Kim Davis is a perfect example of someone following parts but ignoring parts. She's following the parts about being against gay marriage, but not following the parts about following the laws of man and the part that says that Governments are instituted by God. Because of her failure to follow all of His word, she finds herself in a legal mess that she's not likely to get out of for some time to come.

You are wrong. Where God's law conflicts with man's law--we are to follow God rather than man.

WYSIWYG · Guru

You are wrong. Where God's law conflicts with man's law--we are to follow God rather than man.
- huskerbb

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I believe you misunderstand my point. The law allows same sex marriage. As followers of God we are not to partake of that law because it would go against God's law. But we can follow the law and allow others to do as they see fit according to the law. Plus when we follow the law and allow others to follow their own path we are following the command to "Judge not, that ye be not judged". It's not our place to judge the rightness or wrongness of the actions of others. That's to be left to God.

huskerbb · Guru

WYSIWYG wrote:
You are wrong. Where God's law conflicts with man's law--we are to follow God rather than man.
- huskerbb

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I believe you misunderstand my point. The law allows same sex marriage. As followers of God we are not to partake of that law because it would go against God's law. But we can follow the law and allow others to do as they see fit according to the law. Plus when we follow the law and allow others to follow their own path we are following the command to "Judge not, that ye be not judged". It's not our place to judge the rightness or wrongness of the actions of others. That's to be left to God.

By issuing the licenses--she IS partaking.

As far as your last statement--that is the most misquoted and misunderstood part of the entire Bible--and you did it, again.

The point of that passage is NOT that we are NEVER to speak out against wrong-doing in society. The point is that we are to examine our own sinfulness, first, and look to forgive. Jesus Christ didn't overlook the harlot's sin or say that she was not sinning--but he chose compassion and forgiveness.

Everyone seem to forget the essential part of that passage--"go forth and SIN NO MORE".

God EXPECTS his church to speak out against evil and sin.

“And I will give unto thee the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in Heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in Heaven.” Matt 16:19

We can certainly choose compassion and forgiveness as Christ did--but that would assume repentance. Getting married against God's law is not repentance.

huskerbb · Guru

Further--you are actually arguing against yourself.

Man's law would have seen the harlot stoned. God's law is one of forgiveness IF they repent.

You can't have it both ways. Either we follow man's law and stone the harlot and participate in gay marriage--or we follow God's law and show compassion for the harlot and speak out against gay marriage.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
Further--you are actually arguing against yourself.

Man's law would have seen the harlot stoned. God's law is one of forgiveness IF they repent.

You can't have it both ways. Either we follow man's law and stone the harlot and participate in gay marriage--or we follow God's law and show compassion for the harlot and speak out against gay marriage.

Except Christ said "Forgive them, they know not what they do" about the UNREPENTENT. Or, do you just choose to ignore that?

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Further--you are actually arguing against yourself.

Man's law would have seen the harlot stoned. God's law is one of forgiveness IF they repent.

You can't have it both ways. Either we follow man's law and stone the harlot and participate in gay marriage--or we follow God's law and show compassion for the harlot and speak out against gay marriage.
Except Christ said "Forgive them, they know not what they do" about the UNREPENTENT. Or, do you just choose to ignore that?

No. He was pointing that specifically towards his executioners--who, in fact, did not know what they were doing. They truly didn't know they were executing the Son of God.

People who enter into gay marriage know darn well what they are doing.

WYSIWYG · Guru

Further--you are actually arguing against yourself.

Man's law would have seen the harlot stoned. God's law is one of forgiveness IF they repent.

You can't have it both ways. Either we follow man's law and stone the harlot and participate in gay marriage--or we follow God's law and show compassion for the harlot and speak out against gay marriage.
-huskerbb

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I'm not arguing against myself. I suggest applying Biblical law to our own personal actions, and allowing God to judge the actions of others. Giving someone the legal paperwork required for marriage, is not supporting gay marriage in violation of God's law. It's supporting Man's law as required by Biblical Scripture, in Romans 13.

weltschmerz · Guru

"By issuing the licenses--she IS partaking."

So, if a store or bakery sells doughnuts and pies to the morbidly obese, they're partaking in the sin of gluttony.

The sin of gluttony is mentioned far, far more than homosexuality in the bible.

No more baked goods for the morbidly obese! It's a sin! Don't partake! It's not like they'll eat it and then repent, to eat Krispy Kremes no more!

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

weltschmerz wrote:
"By issuing the licenses--she IS partaking."

So, if a store or bakery sells doughnuts and pies to the morbidly obese, they're partaking in the sin of gluttony.
The sin of gluttony is mentioned far, far more than homosexuality in the bible.
No more baked goods for the morbidly obese! It's a sin! Don't partake! It's not like they'll eat it and then repent, to eat Krispy Kremes no more!

You don't know that. You don't know why they are obese, you don't know if the pie is for them. A marriage license has names on it - specifically for the person.

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

weltschmerz wrote:
"By issuing the licenses--she IS partaking."

So, if a store or bakery sells doughnuts and pies to the morbidly obese, they're partaking in the sin of gluttony.
The sin of gluttony is mentioned far, far more than homosexuality in the bible.
No more baked goods for the morbidly obese! It's a sin! Don't partake! It's not like they'll eat it and then repent, to eat Krispy Kremes no more!

Gluttony is a sin.

The ACT of homosexuality is an abomination to God.

There is a difference.

weltschmerz · Guru

just Czech wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
"By issuing the licenses--she IS partaking."

So, if a store or bakery sells doughnuts and pies to the morbidly obese, they're partaking in the sin of gluttony.
The sin of gluttony is mentioned far, far more than homosexuality in the bible.
No more baked goods for the morbidly obese! It's a sin! Don't partake! It's not like they'll eat it and then repent, to eat Krispy Kremes no more!
Gluttony is a sin.
The ACT of homosexuality is an abomination to God.
There is a difference.

Oh, just a sin? Ah. So it's OK, then.

huskerbb · Guru

WYSIWYG wrote:
Further--you are actually arguing against yourself.

Man's law would have seen the harlot stoned. God's law is one of forgiveness IF they repent.

You can't have it both ways. Either we follow man's law and stone the harlot and participate in gay marriage--or we follow God's law and show compassion for the harlot and speak out against gay marriage.
-huskerbb

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I'm not arguing against myself. I suggest applying Biblical law to our own personal actions, and allowing God to judge the actions of others. Giving someone the legal paperwork required for marriage, is not supporting gay marriage in violation of God's law. It's supporting Man's law as required by Biblical Scripture, in Romans 13.

Yes it is.

huskerbb · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
"By issuing the licenses--she IS partaking."

So, if a store or bakery sells doughnuts and pies to the morbidly obese, they're partaking in the sin of gluttony.
The sin of gluttony is mentioned far, far more than homosexuality in the bible.
No more baked goods for the morbidly obese! It's a sin! Don't partake! It's not like they'll eat it and then repent, to eat Krispy Kremes no more!

who gets to define "obese"?

You also don't know that they are actually consuming amounts that are "gluttonous". Most people who win hot dog or pie eating contests are actually skinny.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Are you arguing that gluttony is not a sin?

Lindley · Guru

God doesn't Give you problems but He helps you thru it.

Ohfour · Hooker

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Are you arguing that gluttony is not a sin?

No, he's saying that not all gluttons are fat, and not all people that are fat are gluttons. I'm heavier than I've ever been, yet I eat less than I ever have. Age and meds will do that to a person.

You have no idea when serving a person if they are gluttonous or not. But you DO know that when issuing a marriage license to a same sex couple, you are supporting their sin.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

So I'm fat but I can't buy a dozen donuts to take to the office to feed my skinny coworkers? (If I worked of course.)

weltschmerz · Guru

Not all homosexuals are sexually active, either. I know several who have been together for decades, and sex is a thing of the past, due to illness, etc.

Howver, they still get married in order to legalise inheritance, custody, hospital visitation, and all the other perks that go with it.

weltschmerz · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
Not all homosexuals are sexually active, either. I know several who have been together for decades, and sex is a thing of the past, due to illness, etc.
Howver, they still get married in order to legalise inheritance, custody, hospital visitation, and all the other perks that go with it.
You still have to issue a licence, just like you still have to sell doughnuts, because you don't KNOW.

Ohfour · Hooker

weltschmerz wrote:
Not all homosexuals are sexually active, either. I know several who have been together for decades, and sex is a thing of the past, due to illness, etc.
Howver, they still get married in order to legalise inheritance, custody, hospital visitation, and all the other perks that go with it.

All that can be easily done without getting married.

Ohfour · Hooker

weltschmerz wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Not all homosexuals are sexually active, either. I know several who have been together for decades, and sex is a thing of the past, due to illness, etc.
Howver, they still get married in order to legalise inheritance, custody, hospital visitation, and all the other perks that go with it.
You still have to issue a licence, just like you still have to sell doughnuts, because you don't KNOW.

Yes, I do know. SSM is a sin. Period.

-- Edited by Ohfour on Tuesday 15th of September 2015 04:35:41 PM

weltschmerz · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Not all homosexuals are sexually active, either. I know several who have been together for decades, and sex is a thing of the past, due to illness, etc.
Howver, they still get married in order to legalise inheritance, custody, hospital visitation, and all the other perks that go with it.

All that can be easily done without getting married.

The morbidly obese can easily carry a doctor's note, saying they're big because of "glands" or medication. That way, nobody will be on the hook for "participating in their sin".

See how that works?

Ohfour · Hooker

Being obese isn't a sin. Marrying the same sex is. See how THAT works?

weltschmerz · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Not all homosexuals are sexually active, either. I know several who have been together for decades, and sex is a thing of the past, due to illness, etc.
Howver, they still get married in order to legalise inheritance, custody, hospital visitation, and all the other perks that go with it.
You still have to issue a licence, just like you still have to sell doughnuts, because you don't KNOW.

Yes, I do know. SSM is a sin. Period.

-- Edited by Ohfour on Tuesday 15th of September 2015 04:35:41 PM

Gluttony is a sin. Period.

Ohfour · Hooker

weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Not all homosexuals are sexually active, either. I know several who have been together for decades, and sex is a thing of the past, due to illness, etc.
Howver, they still get married in order to legalise inheritance, custody, hospital visitation, and all the other perks that go with it.
You still have to issue a licence, just like you still have to sell doughnuts, because you don't KNOW.

Yes, I do know. SSM is a sin. Period.

-- Edited by Ohfour on Tuesday 15th of September 2015 04:35:41 PM
Gluttony is a sin. Period.

Being obese isn't. Period.

weltschmerz · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Not all homosexuals are sexually active, either. I know several who have been together for decades, and sex is a thing of the past, due to illness, etc.
Howver, they still get married in order to legalise inheritance, custody, hospital visitation, and all the other perks that go with it.
You still have to issue a licence, just like you still have to sell doughnuts, because you don't KNOW.

Yes, I do know. SSM is a sin. Period.

-- Edited by Ohfour on Tuesday 15th of September 2015 04:35:41 PM
Gluttony is a sin. Period.
Being obese isn't. Period.

Oh, of course. They all got that way because of medication.

In any case, people can't take a chance. No more doughnuts. Bake them yourself.

Ohfour · Hooker

Show me in the Bible where being obese is a sin? I won't hold my breath. You claim to have been a Christian at one time. I call deuces....

weltschmerz · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
Show me in the Bible where being obese is a sin? I won't hold my breath. You claim to have been a Christian at one time. I call deuces....

Gluttony is a sin. It's in there multiple times. I never said being obese is a sin. GLUTTONY.

Therefore bakers can't take the chance in case an obese person will scarf the whole baker's dozen.

Ohfour · Hooker

weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Show me in the Bible where being obese is a sin? I won't hold my breath. You claim to have been a Christian at one time. I call deuces....
Gluttony is a sin. It's in there multiple times. I never said being obese is a sin. GLUTTONY.
Therefore bakers can't take the chance in case an obese person will scarf the whole baker's dozen.

Knowingly participating in a sin is condoning that sin. Are you slow?

weltschmerz · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Show me in the Bible where being obese is a sin? I won't hold my breath. You claim to have been a Christian at one time. I call deuces....
Gluttony is a sin. It's in there multiple times. I never said being obese is a sin. GLUTTONY.
Therefore bakers can't take the chance in case an obese person will scarf the whole baker's dozen.
Knowingly participating in a sin is condoning that sin. Are you slow?

Exactly! And that's why bakers shouldn't sell fat people cakes and pies. They shouln't participate in the sin. Are YOU slow?

Ohfour · Hooker

KNOWINGLY. You do not know the obese person's history or intentions. You DO know the gays people's intentions.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

The obese person wants to eat everything in the bakery!

flan

weltschmerz · Guru

Furthermore, every county clerk's office should have a doctor on staff, to make sure the brides are intact. If not, instead of being given a licence, they should be driven to the edge of town and stoned to death. It's in the bible.
Of all the thousands and thousands and thousands of sins mentioned therein, everyone seems to be A-OK with most of them. It's only when homosexuality is mentioned, that Christians' heads explode.

weltschmerz · Guru

flan327 wrote:
The obese person wants to eat everything in the bakery!

flan

Can't sell them a pie. Sorry. They might eat the whole thing. wink

weltschmerz · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
KNOWINGLY. You do not know the obese person's history or intentions. You DO know the gays people's intentions.

AGAIN...not all of them. I know many who don't have relations. How many times does this have to be repeated?

Ohfour · Hooker

weltschmerz wrote:
Furthermore, every county clerk's office should have a doctor on staff, to make sure the brides are intact. If not, instead of being given a licence, they should be driven to the edge of town and stoned to death. It's in the bible.
Of all the thousands and thousands and thousands of sins mentioned therein, everyone seems to be A-OK with most of them. It's only when homosexuality is mentioned, that Christians' heads explode.

Oh Lord. You really ARE slow aren't you? There is this thing called forgiveness. You see, when you sin and repent of that sin, you are forgiven.

(still with me?)

SSM is a continuation and celebration of sin. Jesus said (you do know who he is right, since you used to be such an upstanding Christian and all), " Go and sin no more". SSM is the antithesis of that commandment.

Ohfour · Hooker

weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
KNOWINGLY. You do not know the obese person's history or intentions. You DO know the gays people's intentions.
AGAIN...not all of them. I know many who don't have relations. How many times does this have to be repeated?

Sexual intercourse is not the only sin in this matter. Marrying a same sex partner is also a sin.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

weltschmerz wrote:
flan327 wrote:
The obese person wants to eat everything in the bakery!

flan
Can't sell them a pie. Sorry. They might eat the whole thing.

AND...they might put ice cream on the pie!

flan

weltschmerz · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
KNOWINGLY. You do not know the obese person's history or intentions. You DO know the gays people's intentions.
AGAIN...not all of them. I know many who don't have relations. How many times does this have to be repeated?
Sexual intercourse is not the only sin in this matter. Marrying a same sex partner is also a sin.

Chapter and verse, please. The bible says NOTHING about SS MARRIAGE. It does condemn gluttony and sloth and greed and wrath and envy and pride and lust. Those are fine, I guess, but homosexuality? Break out the smelling salts!

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Tuesday 15th of September 2015 06:27:58 PM

Ohfour · Hooker

I don't see people bragging and asking for hero worship of gluttons, sloths, the prideful or the lustful.

No parades, no wanting special treatment, no telling their kids that those are perfectly OK.

They gays? All of the above. Normal people don't celebrate sin. Gays are all about it....