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Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

RE: Muslim teenager arrested for bringing his home-made clock into school which teachers claimed 'looked like a bomb'

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
I would like to know what Gaga thinks are the limits of what you can and can't bring to school.
My kids just can't take anything they want to school. My kid just can't say, oh I think I will take my guitar to school today and carry it around. They can't take in whatever they please.

That's assinine. Why wouldn't they be able to take a musical instrument to school?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

So, you really expect the teacher to just open the briefcase? And, the teacher hears ticking and is just supposed to say "oh ok"? Wow.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
My kids can't bring cans of soda. They can't just randomly decide to bring in anything they want. Funny how you are all "follow the rules, blah, blah" any other time. I think that in time of school shootings, that we expect schools to err on the side of caution. Thankfully it wasn't a bomb. But, they did nothing wrong to their approach.

Please show me the rule where a kid cannot take a homemade clock to school to show his engineering teacher.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
So, you really expect the teacher to just open the briefcase? And, the teacher hears ticking and is just supposed to say "oh ok"? Wow.

I expect her to ask the engineering teacher. I expect them to confirm it's actually a bomb before suspending and arresting the kid. Why is that such a difficult expectation?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
My kids can't bring cans of soda. They can't just randomly decide to bring in anything they want. Funny how you are all "follow the rules, blah, blah" any other time. I think that in time of school shootings, that we expect schools to err on the side of caution. Thankfully it wasn't a bomb. But, they did nothing wrong to their approach.
Please show me the rule where a kid cannot take a homemade clock to school to show his engineering teacher.

I certainly can show you the "rule" where teachers are mandated reporters, where teachers are supposed to report suspicious activity, and where teachers are supposed to act first in the best interest and safety of students. And, yes, if you have that standard, sometimes they will be wrong.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
So, you really expect the teacher to just open the briefcase? And, the teacher hears ticking and is just supposed to say "oh ok"? Wow.
I expect her to ask the engineering teacher. I expect them to confirm it's actually a bomb before suspending and arresting the kid. Why is that such a difficult expectation?

How about Mom call the teacher and say "hey, my son built a great clock, may he bring it in to show the class"? But, yeah, personal responsibility and all.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Toaster pastries trigger the zero tolerance alarms.

But a homemade clock in a briefcase is just a project and shouldnt trigger an alarm.

Do you live in the same country I live in?

Are you completely oblivious to climate of the times?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Toaster pastries trigger the zero tolerance alarms.

But a homemade clock in a briefcase is just a project and shouldnt trigger an alarm.

Do you live in the same country I live in?

Are you completely oblivious to climate of the times?

Have you ever gone looking to purchase a Briefcase Clock? Hmm. Seems pretty odd to me. I think this kid is a plant for the Left agenda.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

We empty the school when someone calls or writes on the wall "there is a bomb". But, when we have something that has the APPEARANCE of a bomb then I guess the school is just supposed to sniff and say Oh well, he is a muslim so we have to pretend not too see that because that would make us racial profilers, even though, they would certainly slam the blond kid as well for the same thing.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Kind of reminds me of all the waitress receipt notes and so forth. Seems a little to pat and convenient. And, the fact that Obama just rushed in seems even more suspect.

chef · Guru

A backpack isn't suspicious but after Boston, I can guarantee that at least some people will give backpacks the side eye - especially if they start making noise. I don't agree with arresting Ahmed but I do feel the school made the right call in contacting the police.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

After Columbine, trench coats became a big no no.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

chef wrote:
A backpack isn't suspicious but after Boston, I can guarantee that at least some people will give backpacks the side eye - especially if they start making noise. I don't agree with arresting Ahmed but I do feel the school made the right call in contacting the police.

Yes. They used pressure cookers. Very innocent looking but certainly out of place. Brief case, very innocent looking but certainly out of place AND ticking. Hello.

-- Edited by Lady Gaga Snerd on Thursday 17th of September 2015 01:08:24 PM

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I think what they did falls under the realm of Reasonable. I think that a reasonable person would find that suspicious. OK, turns out it wasn't anything. But, it is REASONABLE to react to what you think is suspicious.

Tangerine · Guru

No one is saying the school shouldn't have looked at his project. Just that arresting him was way over the top since he clearly did not have a bomb.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Tangerine wrote:
No one is saying the school shouldn't have looked at his project. Just that arresting him was way over the top since he clearly did not have a bomb.

Exactly. Why is that so hard to understand?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I mean, really? We arrest people even after discovering they did not commit a crime? We arrest people based on assumptions? We suspend a kid for 3 days even after he is proven innocent?

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

That is what zero tolerance does.

FNW · Guru

His clock:

FNW · Guru

I'd say there was cause for concern.

Ohfour · Hooker

I agree...

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

And if it wasn't handled this way, and it was a bomb, then everyone saying how wrong this kid was treated would be calling for heads to roll.

But I guess the party line now is to "just wait and see".

karl271 · Guru

Seems like everyone was a bit at fault here. But, I do not think it warrants a trip for the student to the White House to visit the President. What?????

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

lilyofcourse wrote:
And if it wasn't handled this way, and it was a bomb, then everyone saying how wrong this kid was treated would be calling for heads to roll.

But I guess the party line now is to "just wait and see".

NOBODY FVCKING SAID THAT!!!! Investigate, yes. Arrest over nothing - no. Can't you fvcking read?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Lawyerlady wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
And if it wasn't handled this way, and it was a bomb, then everyone saying how wrong this kid was treated would be calling for heads to roll.

But I guess the party line now is to "just wait and see".
NOBODY FVCKING SAID THAT!!!! Investigate, yes. Arrest over nothing - no. Can't you fvcking read?

Wow. That's a lot of anger your carrying around.

And yes, I can read.

Can you?

You say investigate.

Ok. Kid walks in with what looks like it could or could not be a bomb.

2 possible outcomes.

1. It isn't a bomb.

2. It is a bomb.

In the first case, due to the no tolerance shtick these days and the times in which we live, the police are called. The boy is detained and the object is investigated by professionals. Even though it is determined the object is not a threat, the boy has violated the zero tolerance for having a device that resembles a bomb and is given suspension and is arrested. Chances are it will not go any further in the court system.

In the second situation, the boy actually has a bomb. But no one wants to make the boy feel bad so they say nothing. The boy sets the bomb off and kills and maimes a dozen or more fellow classmates.

In some situations it is better to be over cautious than not.

You can not tell me that had no one checked this out and it had been a bomb, that you wouldn't be asking why.

You can't always just sit on your thumbs waiting to see what will happen.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lily needs headpats...

Or a reading lesson!

flan

burns07 · Guru

y'all haven't seen very many IEDs--at first glance, it sure as hell doesn't look like a clock but it DOES appear to have a timer--it obviously isn't packed with c4, etc but chemical / aerosol weapons normally won't have any explosives present either--can see where an observer could easily be mistaken and in that case, when kid's lives are at stake, prefer to err on the side of caution

over-the-top reaction or not, everyone's still alive and that's the most important issue

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

The world has lost its mind. Arrest the damn janitor, too. He has enough chemicals in the cleaning closet that he can combine into a toxic gas, as well. Zero tolerance and all.

Stupid.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

LL, are you saying if nothing was done, everyone just shrugged and let it go, and then it actually was a bomb that blew up and killed a bunch of people, that you would not be one of the first to want to know why no one said something or called the police?

The problem with all these situations is not what actions were taken at the moment the incident is happening.

The problem is everyone reading all the fact after and then judging those involved.

You see after the incident, you have more information than the ones actually living it did at the time.

ed11563 · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
LL, are you saying if nothing was done, everyone just shrugged and let it go, and then it actually was a bomb that blew up and killed a bunch of people, that you would not be one of the first to want to know why no one said something or called the police?

The problem with all these situations is not what actions were taken at the moment the incident is happening.

The problem is everyone reading all the fact after and then judging those involved.

You see after the incident, you have more information than the ones actually living it did at the time.

I thought they arrested the kid AFTER they found out it was a clock.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Probably.

The same nonsense as suspending a kid cause his toaster pastry was bite into the shape of a gun.

The same nonsense the gets a kid arrested for having Tylenol at school.

The problem is the zero tolerance that goes on.

Policy has to be followed regardless of common sense.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

It was not a bomb. They figured that out rather quickly. And then they still arrested him. They are idiots.

Lindley · Guru

I can see checking it out to make sure it was a bomb but arresting the kid they have gone to far. It scary when those at school who are in charge of your education lacks common sense.