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WYSIWYG · Guru

RE: Sexbots

Tinydancer · Guru

Then why don't they work to get a real women? Sure take the easy way out and blame us. It couldn't be because they're just not worth our time now could it? Sometimes men think it's our fault when they do nothing to make it worth our time. Good men are worth it. Men who think they're owed something for nothing are not. Just my opinion.

WYSIWYG · Guru

And how many of them could be worth a woman's time, if they were given a chance. That's the only ones I'm speaking of. The ones that don't get the chance.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

My parents told me a long time ago be the kind of mate you want to have. You need to be that person and then go out and look. Not say Look, give me a chance and if I think you're worth it I'll turn into a great guy.

Tinydancer · Guru

Why don't they get that chance? Is it the woman's fault? Not sure why it would be. husker has already told us there are not enough men for all the women. Women are the ones who want marriage more often so what is the real reason some men can't get a woman?

huskerbb · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:
Why don't they get that chance? Is it the woman's fault? Not sure why it would be. husker has already told us there are not enough men for all the women. Women are the ones who want marriage more often so what is the real reason some men can't get a woman?

Looks. Habits. too shy. Tried and failed.

its not an overall shortage--it's a shortage in a specific group--college educated people, especially blacks.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Why don't they get that chance? Is it the woman's fault? Not sure why it would be. husker has already told us there are not enough men for all the women. Women are the ones who want marriage more often so what is the real reason some men can't get a woman?
Looks. Habits. too shy. Tried and failed.

its not an overall shortage--it's a shortage in a specific group--college educated people, especially blacks.

Those 3 are likely completely of their own making.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Why don't they get that chance? Is it the woman's fault? Not sure why it would be. husker has already told us there are not enough men for all the women. Women are the ones who want marriage more often so what is the real reason some men can't get a woman?
Looks. Habits. too shy. Tried and failed.

its not an overall shortage--it's a shortage in a specific group--college educated people, especially blacks.

Those 3 are likely completely of their own making.

I think your appearance would be more under your control than being too shy.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Why don't they get that chance? Is it the woman's fault? Not sure why it would be. husker has already told us there are not enough men for all the women. Women are the ones who want marriage more often so what is the real reason some men can't get a woman?
Looks. Habits. too shy. Tried and failed.

its not an overall shortage--it's a shortage in a specific group--college educated people, especially blacks.

Those 3 are likely completely of their own making.
I think your appearance would be more under your control than being too shy.

Is your appearance is because of slovenly habits, yeah. But if you were just born looking like a toad, that is not your fault.

huskerbb · Guru

I know--but a personality trait such as painful shyness really isn't your fault, either.

WYSIWYG · Guru

Why don't they get that chance? Is it the woman's fault? Not sure why it would be. husker has already told us there are not enough men for all the women. Women are the ones who want marriage more often so what is the real reason some men can't get a woman?
- Tinydancer

___________________________

If the women in question don't give the man a chance due to something beyond his control? Yes, I would put that on the women. But, even then I really hate to call it "fault". People cannot help what makes others attractive to them.

If it's due to something within his control then I agree with you, that would be his issue to deal with.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Get a job. That's within your control. Pay your bills. That's within your control. Pay your child support. That's within your control. When I was single if a man was behind on his child support it was an automatic deal breaker.

Tinydancer · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Why don't they get that chance? Is it the woman's fault? Not sure why it would be. husker has already told us there are not enough men for all the women. Women are the ones who want marriage more often so what is the real reason some men can't get a woman?
Looks. Habits. too shy. Tried and failed.

its not an overall shortage--it's a shortage in a specific group--college educated people, especially blacks.

Nah. It's so much easier to blame women when you can't find a girlfriend. Women will put up with an awful lot so there's really something wrong with you if you can't find a single girl that will put up with you. If it was a woman complaining about not finding a man you would be telling us it's because of what she's doing or not doing and certainly not blaming the men.

huskerbb · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Why don't they get that chance? Is it the woman's fault? Not sure why it would be. husker has already told us there are not enough men for all the women. Women are the ones who want marriage more often so what is the real reason some men can't get a woman?
Looks. Habits. too shy. Tried and failed.

its not an overall shortage--it's a shortage in a specific group--college educated people, especially blacks.

Nah. It's so much easier to blame women when you can't find a girlfriend. Women will put up with an awful lot so there's really something wrong with you if you can't find a single girl that will put up with you. If it was a woman complaining about not finding a man you would be telling us it's because of what she's doing or not doing and certainly not blaming the men.

Lots of women do complain about that.

Tinydancer · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Why don't they get that chance? Is it the woman's fault? Not sure why it would be. husker has already told us there are not enough men for all the women. Women are the ones who want marriage more often so what is the real reason some men can't get a woman?
Looks. Habits. too shy. Tried and failed.

its not an overall shortage--it's a shortage in a specific group--college educated people, especially blacks.

Nah. It's so much easier to blame women when you can't find a girlfriend. Women will put up with an awful lot so there's really something wrong with you if you can't find a single girl that will put up with you. If it was a woman complaining about not finding a man you would be telling us it's because of what she's doing or not doing and certainly not blaming the men.
Lots of women do complain about that.

My point exactly. Then you'd say she should dress better or do something to make herself more attractive. You wouldn't be saying "oh it's because they were shy or because they've been turned down before and if it were her habits you'd say change her habits. If you want to be attractive to the opposite sex then it's on you, man or woman, to be the best you can.

huskerbb · Guru

Sure--but if there is a viable alternative--then they won't. They will no longer have to.

Tinydancer · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
Sure--but if there is a viable alternative--then they won't. They will no longer have to.

Well then it means they prefer a sexbot. I doubt very much very many men would just settle for that and not at least keep trying to have a real relationship. You sure paint men pretty shallowly.

-- Edited by Tinydancer on Sunday 27th of September 2015 06:07:13 PM

huskerbb · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Sure--but if there is a viable alternative--then they won't. They will no longer have to.
Well then it means they prefer a sexbot. I doubt very much very many men would just settle for that and not at least keep trying to have a real relationship. You sure paint men pretty shallowly.

-- Edited by Tinydancer on Sunday 27th of September 2015 06:07:13 PM

Doubt all you want. Steady sex without the headaches of a relationship--I think more guys would go for that than you think. Not to mention that relationships are usually followed by child support for men.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

huskerbb wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Sure--but if there is a viable alternative--then they won't. They will no longer have to.
Well then it means they prefer a sexbot. I doubt very much very many men would just settle for that and not at least keep trying to have a real relationship. You sure paint men pretty shallowly.

-- Edited by Tinydancer on Sunday 27th of September 2015 06:07:13 PM
Doubt all you want. Steady sex without the headaches of a relationship--I think more guys would go for that than you think. Not to mention that relationships are usually followed by child support for men.

Because THAT is ALWAYS the woman's fault.

huskerbb · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Sure--but if there is a viable alternative--then they won't. They will no longer have to.
Well then it means they prefer a sexbot. I doubt very much very many men would just settle for that and not at least keep trying to have a real relationship. You sure paint men pretty shallowly.

-- Edited by Tinydancer on Sunday 27th of September 2015 06:07:13 PM
Doubt all you want. Steady sex without the headaches of a relationship--I think more guys would go for that than you think. Not to mention that relationships are usually followed by child support for men.
Because THAT is ALWAYS the woman's fault.

The fact is, the male really has no choice in the matter of whether or not to be a parent once a pregnancy occurs.

weltschmerz · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Sure--but if there is a viable alternative--then they won't. They will no longer have to.
Well then it means they prefer a sexbot. I doubt very much very many men would just settle for that and not at least keep trying to have a real relationship. You sure paint men pretty shallowly.

-- Edited by Tinydancer on Sunday 27th of September 2015 06:07:13 PM
Doubt all you want. Steady sex without the headaches of a relationship--I think more guys would go for that than you think. Not to mention that relationships are usually followed by child support for men.
Because THAT is ALWAYS the woman's fault.
The fact is, the male really has no choice in the matter of whether or not to be a parent once a pregnancy occurs.

Don't want to be a parent? Keep your pants on.

huskerbb · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Sure--but if there is a viable alternative--then they won't. They will no longer have to.
Well then it means they prefer a sexbot. I doubt very much very many men would just settle for that and not at least keep trying to have a real relationship. You sure paint men pretty shallowly.

-- Edited by Tinydancer on Sunday 27th of September 2015 06:07:13 PM
Doubt all you want. Steady sex without the headaches of a relationship--I think more guys would go for that than you think. Not to mention that relationships are usually followed by child support for men.
Because THAT is ALWAYS the woman's fault.
The fact is, the male really has no choice in the matter of whether or not to be a parent once a pregnancy occurs.

Don't want to be a parent? Keep your pants on.

Sure--but--once the pregnancy occurs, the father should have a say in whether either to keep it--or not keep it. The same advice you give to men would also apply to women, but then they have choices at that point, he doesn't.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Am I the only one that knows about condoms? Because men most definitely can use a condom if they don't want to become a parent.

huskerbb · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Am I the only one that knows about condoms? Because men most definitely can use a condom if they don't want to become a parent.

Sure they can--and women can make them wear one--but pregnancies still occur, or hadn't you noticed.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

They occur much less frequently when a man wears a condom. Or hadn't you noticed?

huskerbb · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
They occur much less frequently when a man wears a condom. Or hadn't you noticed?

And when women use birth control, as well--but pregnancies still occur, so it's a moot point.

MANY, MANY pregnancies do get prevented, but obviously not all of them.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

So your statement that Doubt all you want. Steady sex without the headaches of a relationship--I think more guys would go for that than you think. Not to mention that relationships are usually followed by child support for men.

is dumb. You are implying that most relationships or at least a majority of them end in pregnancy. And then you take an attitude of why even bother with birth control if that's the way it's going to be. If everyone did their part in using contraceptives the numbers of accidental pregnancy would be very very low. That fact has been proven. But you have to actually use the birth control every time and use it correctly.

weltschmerz · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Sure--but if there is a viable alternative--then they won't. They will no longer have to.
Well then it means they prefer a sexbot. I doubt very much very many men would just settle for that and not at least keep trying to have a real relationship. You sure paint men pretty shallowly.

-- Edited by Tinydancer on Sunday 27th of September 2015 06:07:13 PM
Doubt all you want. Steady sex without the headaches of a relationship--I think more guys would go for that than you think. Not to mention that relationships are usually followed by child support for men.
Because THAT is ALWAYS the woman's fault.
The fact is, the male really has no choice in the matter of whether or not to be a parent once a pregnancy occurs.

Don't want to be a parent? Keep your pants on.
Sure--but--once the pregnancy occurs, the father should have a say in whether either to keep it--or not keep it. The same advice you give to men would also apply to women, but then they have choices at that point, he doesn't.

They have choices because with pregnancy and childbirth, they do ALL the heavy lifting. All of it.

huskerbb · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
So your statement that Doubt all you want. Steady sex without the headaches of a relationship--I think more guys would go for that than you think. Not to mention that relationships are usually followed by child support for men.
is dumb. You are implying that most relationships or at least a majority of them end in pregnancy. And then you take an attitude of why even bother with birth control if that's the way it's going to be. If everyone did their part in using contraceptives the numbers of accidental pregnancy would be very very low. That fact has been proven. But you have to actually use the birth control every time and use it correctly.

No, it's not dumb. There are MANY cases of short relationships that end in pregnancy. It is the responsibility of BOTH partners to use birth control--my problem is that when that is not done, or it fails, the woman has choices in the matter, the man does not.

The responsibility is not equal.

weltschmerz · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
So your statement that Doubt all you want. Steady sex without the headaches of a relationship--I think more guys would go for that than you think. Not to mention that relationships are usually followed by child support for men.
is dumb. You are implying that most relationships or at least a majority of them end in pregnancy. And then you take an attitude of why even bother with birth control if that's the way it's going to be. If everyone did their part in using contraceptives the numbers of accidental pregnancy would be very very low. That fact has been proven. But you have to actually use the birth control every time and use it correctly.
No, it's not dumb. There are MANY cases of short relationships that end in pregnancy. It is the responsibility of BOTH partners to use birth control--my problem is that when that is not done, or it fails, the woman has choices in the matter, the man does not.

The responsibility is not equal.

The pregnancy and childbirth isn't equal. What effect does it have on a man's body?

Your contribution is a spasm and a muttered "Oh God!"

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

The sexbot can't get pregnant.

huskerbb · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
So your statement that Doubt all you want. Steady sex without the headaches of a relationship--I think more guys would go for that than you think. Not to mention that relationships are usually followed by child support for men.
is dumb. You are implying that most relationships or at least a majority of them end in pregnancy. And then you take an attitude of why even bother with birth control if that's the way it's going to be. If everyone did their part in using contraceptives the numbers of accidental pregnancy would be very very low. That fact has been proven. But you have to actually use the birth control every time and use it correctly.
No, it's not dumb. There are MANY cases of short relationships that end in pregnancy. It is the responsibility of BOTH partners to use birth control--my problem is that when that is not done, or it fails, the woman has choices in the matter, the man does not.

The responsibility is not equal.
The pregnancy and childbirth isn't equal. What effect does it have on a man's body?
Your contribution is a spasm and a muttered "Oh God!"

That is biology and cannot be changed. What can be changed is giving the man a choice after a pregnancy occurs.

huskerbb · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
The sexbot can't get pregnant.

Exactly my original point. It is a relationship that wouldn't come with child support payments.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
So your statement that Doubt all you want. Steady sex without the headaches of a relationship--I think more guys would go for that than you think. Not to mention that relationships are usually followed by child support for men.
is dumb. You are implying that most relationships or at least a majority of them end in pregnancy. And then you take an attitude of why even bother with birth control if that's the way it's going to be. If everyone did their part in using contraceptives the numbers of accidental pregnancy would be very very low. That fact has been proven. But you have to actually use the birth control every time and use it correctly.
No, it's not dumb. There are MANY cases of short relationships that end in pregnancy. It is the responsibility of BOTH partners to use birth control--my problem is that when that is not done, or it fails, the woman has choices in the matter, the man does not.

The responsibility is not equal.
The pregnancy and childbirth isn't equal. What effect does it have on a man's body?
Your contribution is a spasm and a muttered "Oh God!"
That is biology and cannot be changed. What can be changed is giving the man a choice after a pregnancy occurs.

Men don't have equal responsibility, either. It's much easier for them to walk away. And what kind of "choice"? I thought you were against abortion?

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
So your statement that Doubt all you want. Steady sex without the headaches of a relationship--I think more guys would go for that than you think. Not to mention that relationships are usually followed by child support for men.
is dumb. You are implying that most relationships or at least a majority of them end in pregnancy. And then you take an attitude of why even bother with birth control if that's the way it's going to be. If everyone did their part in using contraceptives the numbers of accidental pregnancy would be very very low. That fact has been proven. But you have to actually use the birth control every time and use it correctly.
No, it's not dumb. There are MANY cases of short relationships that end in pregnancy. It is the responsibility of BOTH partners to use birth control--my problem is that when that is not done, or it fails, the woman has choices in the matter, the man does not.

The responsibility is not equal.
The pregnancy and childbirth isn't equal. What effect does it have on a man's body?
Your contribution is a spasm and a muttered "Oh God!"
That is biology and cannot be changed. What can be changed is giving the man a choice after a pregnancy occurs.
Men don't have equal responsibility, either. It's much easier for them to walk away. And what kind of "choice"? I thought you were against abortion?

I am against abortion, but men don't have a choice either way. They can't just walk away, either. They are on the hook for child support.

ed11563 · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
So your statement that Doubt all you want. Steady sex without the headaches of a relationship--I think more guys would go for that than you think. Not to mention that relationships are usually followed by child support for men.
is dumb. You are implying that most relationships or at least a majority of them end in pregnancy. And then you take an attitude of why even bother with birth control if that's the way it's going to be. If everyone did their part in using contraceptives the numbers of accidental pregnancy would be very very low. That fact has been proven. But you have to actually use the birth control every time and use it correctly.
No, it's not dumb. There are MANY cases of short relationships that end in pregnancy. It is the responsibility of BOTH partners to use birth control--my problem is that when that is not done, or it fails, the woman has choices in the matter, the man does not.

The responsibility is not equal.
The pregnancy and childbirth isn't equal. What effect does it have on a man's body?
Your contribution is a spasm and a muttered "Oh God!"
That is biology and cannot be changed. What can be changed is giving the man a choice after a pregnancy occurs.
Men don't have equal responsibility, either. It's much easier for them to walk away. And what kind of "choice"? I thought you were against abortion?
I am against abortion, but men don't have a choice either way. They can't just walk away, either. They are on the hook for child support.

The guys who are not careless won't have child support payments.

I was always a believer in the consistent use of spermicide. No matter what she might have said (or not said) about her using b/c, there was NO reason to NOT use spermicide.

And, unlike condoms, spermicide doesn't break or leak or fall off.

-- Edited by ed11563 on Monday 28th of September 2015 01:10:03 PM

huskerbb · Guru

ed11563 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
So your statement that Doubt all you want. Steady sex without the headaches of a relationship--I think more guys would go for that than you think. Not to mention that relationships are usually followed by child support for men.
is dumb. You are implying that most relationships or at least a majority of them end in pregnancy. And then you take an attitude of why even bother with birth control if that's the way it's going to be. If everyone did their part in using contraceptives the numbers of accidental pregnancy would be very very low. That fact has been proven. But you have to actually use the birth control every time and use it correctly.
No, it's not dumb. There are MANY cases of short relationships that end in pregnancy. It is the responsibility of BOTH partners to use birth control--my problem is that when that is not done, or it fails, the woman has choices in the matter, the man does not.

The responsibility is not equal.
The pregnancy and childbirth isn't equal. What effect does it have on a man's body?
Your contribution is a spasm and a muttered "Oh God!"
That is biology and cannot be changed. What can be changed is giving the man a choice after a pregnancy occurs.
Men don't have equal responsibility, either. It's much easier for them to walk away. And what kind of "choice"? I thought you were against abortion?
I am against abortion, but men don't have a choice either way. They can't just walk away, either. They are on the hook for child support.
The guys who are not careless won't have child support payments.
I was always a believer in the consistent use of spermicide. No matter what she might have said (or not said) about her using b/c, there was NO reason to NOT use spermicide.
And, unlike condoms, spermicide doesn't break or leak or fall off.

-- Edited by ed11563 on Monday 28th of September 2015 01:10:03 PM

if they use sexbots they won't, either.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
So your statement that Doubt all you want. Steady sex without the headaches of a relationship--I think more guys would go for that than you think. Not to mention that relationships are usually followed by child support for men.
is dumb. You are implying that most relationships or at least a majority of them end in pregnancy. And then you take an attitude of why even bother with birth control if that's the way it's going to be. If everyone did their part in using contraceptives the numbers of accidental pregnancy would be very very low. That fact has been proven. But you have to actually use the birth control every time and use it correctly.
No, it's not dumb. There are MANY cases of short relationships that end in pregnancy. It is the responsibility of BOTH partners to use birth control--my problem is that when that is not done, or it fails, the woman has choices in the matter, the man does not.

The responsibility is not equal.
The pregnancy and childbirth isn't equal. What effect does it have on a man's body?
Your contribution is a spasm and a muttered "Oh God!"
That is biology and cannot be changed. What can be changed is giving the man a choice after a pregnancy occurs.
Men don't have equal responsibility, either. It's much easier for them to walk away. And what kind of "choice"? I thought you were against abortion?
I am against abortion, but men don't have a choice either way. They can't just walk away, either. They are on the hook for child support.

Yeah, and they ALL pay that, don't they? Deadbeat dads must be a figment of the imagination.

ed11563 · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
ed11563 wrote:

The guys who are not careless won't have child support payments.
I was always a believer in the consistent use of spermicide. No matter what she might have said (or not said) about her using b/c, there was NO reason to NOT use spermicide.
And, unlike condoms, spermicide doesn't break or leak or fall off.

-- Edited by ed11563 on Monday 28th of September 2015 01:10:03 PM
if they use sexbots they won't, either.

A sex-bot will never be able to make a guy feel appreciated like a real woman can.

Falling asleep holding ITS' breast will NEVER be the same as falling asleep holding HER breast.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
So your statement that Doubt all you want. Steady sex without the headaches of a relationship--I think more guys would go for that than you think. Not to mention that relationships are usually followed by child support for men.
is dumb. You are implying that most relationships or at least a majority of them end in pregnancy. And then you take an attitude of why even bother with birth control if that's the way it's going to be. If everyone did their part in using contraceptives the numbers of accidental pregnancy would be very very low. That fact has been proven. But you have to actually use the birth control every time and use it correctly.
No, it's not dumb. There are MANY cases of short relationships that end in pregnancy. It is the responsibility of BOTH partners to use birth control--my problem is that when that is not done, or it fails, the woman has choices in the matter, the man does not.

The responsibility is not equal.
The pregnancy and childbirth isn't equal. What effect does it have on a man's body?
Your contribution is a spasm and a muttered "Oh God!"
That is biology and cannot be changed. What can be changed is giving the man a choice after a pregnancy occurs.
Men don't have equal responsibility, either. It's much easier for them to walk away. And what kind of "choice"? I thought you were against abortion?
I am against abortion, but men don't have a choice either way. They can't just walk away, either. They are on the hook for child support.
Yeah, and they ALL pay that, don't they? Deadbeat dads must be a figment of the imagination.

Most do. there. Are pretty severe penalties if they don't. As a percentage of those supposed to pay, there are actually more deadbeat moms--again, not raw numbers, but as a percentage.

huskerbb · Guru

ed11563 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
ed11563 wrote:

The guys who are not careless won't have child support payments.
I was always a believer in the consistent use of spermicide. No matter what she might have said (or not said) about her using b/c, there was NO reason to NOT use spermicide.
And, unlike condoms, spermicide doesn't break or leak or fall off.

-- Edited by ed11563 on Monday 28th of September 2015 01:10:03 PM
if they use sexbots they won't, either.
A sex-bot will never be able to make a guy feel appreciated like a real woman can.
Falling asleep holding ITS' breast will NEVER be the same as falling asleep holding HER breast.

If she does it. Feeling appreciated lately, Ed?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
So your statement that Doubt all you want. Steady sex without the headaches of a relationship--I think more guys would go for that than you think. Not to mention that relationships are usually followed by child support for men.
is dumb. You are implying that most relationships or at least a majority of them end in pregnancy. And then you take an attitude of why even bother with birth control if that's the way it's going to be. If everyone did their part in using contraceptives the numbers of accidental pregnancy would be very very low. That fact has been proven. But you have to actually use the birth control every time and use it correctly.
No, it's not dumb. There are MANY cases of short relationships that end in pregnancy. It is the responsibility of BOTH partners to use birth control--my problem is that when that is not done, or it fails, the woman has choices in the matter, the man does not.

The responsibility is not equal.
The pregnancy and childbirth isn't equal. What effect does it have on a man's body?
Your contribution is a spasm and a muttered "Oh God!"
That is biology and cannot be changed. What can be changed is giving the man a choice after a pregnancy occurs.
Men don't have equal responsibility, either. It's much easier for them to walk away. And what kind of "choice"? I thought you were against abortion?
I am against abortion, but men don't have a choice either way. They can't just walk away, either. They are on the hook for child support.
Yeah, and they ALL pay that, don't they? Deadbeat dads must be a figment of the imagination.
Most do. there. Are pretty severe penalties if they don't. As a percentage of those supposed to pay, there are actually more deadbeat moms--again, not raw numbers, but as a percentage.

You have a problem with that word "most", don't you? Only 42% of women received all the child support they were owed. And yes, the percentage is lower for for men receiving all the money they are owed - but in most circumstances, the mother is going to have custody unless she is completely unfit so the instances of custodial fathers is much lower to begin with.

According to the United States Census Bureau, 42% of custodial mothers (as "obligees") received all child support that they were owed and 70.5% received some in 2009. Additionally, 34.1% of custodial fathers (as "obligees") received all child support that they were owed and 72.9% received some.^[2]

Child support assessments are made based on a variety of formulae, and vary from state to state in the United States. According to one study 38% of Illinois "obligor" parents not paying child-support said they lacked the money to pay. 23% used non-payment to protest a lack of visitation rights. 69% complained of no accountability over the spending of their child support money, while 13% said they did not want their child or children and 12% denied parentage. (See paternity fraud.)

According to a California study, 76% of the $14.4 billion in child support arrears in California has been attributed to "obligors" who lack the ability to pay (see Figure 1, p. 5-4). In California, the "deadbeat" parents had a median annual income of $6349, arrears of $9447, ongoing support of $300 per month. One reason given for this was that 71% of the orders were set by default—meaning that person who supposedly owes support was not personally served with a notice to appear before the court or administrative agency. A notice is sent to the last known address, which may have changed.^[3]

Alternative terms for deadbeat parents who lack the ability to pay are "deadbroke"^[4]^[5] and "turnip" (as in "You can't get blood out of a turnip").^[6]

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
So your statement that Doubt all you want. Steady sex without the headaches of a relationship--I think more guys would go for that than you think. Not to mention that relationships are usually followed by child support for men.
is dumb. You are implying that most relationships or at least a majority of them end in pregnancy. And then you take an attitude of why even bother with birth control if that's the way it's going to be. If everyone did their part in using contraceptives the numbers of accidental pregnancy would be very very low. That fact has been proven. But you have to actually use the birth control every time and use it correctly.
No, it's not dumb. There are MANY cases of short relationships that end in pregnancy. It is the responsibility of BOTH partners to use birth control--my problem is that when that is not done, or it fails, the woman has choices in the matter, the man does not.

The responsibility is not equal.
The pregnancy and childbirth isn't equal. What effect does it have on a man's body?
Your contribution is a spasm and a muttered "Oh God!"
That is biology and cannot be changed. What can be changed is giving the man a choice after a pregnancy occurs.
Men don't have equal responsibility, either. It's much easier for them to walk away. And what kind of "choice"? I thought you were against abortion?
I am against abortion, but men don't have a choice either way. They can't just walk away, either. They are on the hook for child support.
Yeah, and they ALL pay that, don't they? Deadbeat dads must be a figment of the imagination.
Most do. there. Are pretty severe penalties if they don't. As a percentage of those supposed to pay, there are actually more deadbeat moms--again, not raw numbers, but as a percentage.
You have a problem with that word "most", don't you? Only 42% of women received all the child support they were owed. And yes, the percentage is lower for for men receiving all the money they are owed - but in most circumstances, the mother is going to have custody unless she is completely unfit so the instances of custodial fathers is much lower to begin with.

According to the United States Census Bureau, 42% of custodial mothers (as "obligees") received all child support that they were owed and 70.5% received some in 2009. Additionally, 34.1% of custodial fathers (as "obligees") received all child support that they were owed and 72.9% received some.^[2]
Child support assessments are made based on a variety of formulae, and vary from state to state in the United States. According to one study 38% of Illinois "obligor" parents not paying child-support said they lacked the money to pay. 23% used non-payment to protest a lack of visitation rights. 69% complained of no accountability over the spending of their child support money, while 13% said they did not want their child or children and 12% denied parentage. (See paternity fraud.)
According to a California study, 76% of the $14.4 billion in child support arrears in California has been attributed to "obligors" who lack the ability to pay (see Figure 1, p. 5-4). In California, the "deadbeat" parents had a median annual income of $6349, arrears of $9447, ongoing support of $300 per month. One reason given for this was that 71% of the orders were set by default—meaning that person who supposedly owes support was not personally served with a notice to appear before the court or administrative agency. A notice is sent to the last known address, which may have changed.^[3]
Alternative terms for deadbeat parents who lack the ability to pay are "deadbroke"^[4]^[5] and "turnip" (as in "You can't get blood out of a turnip").^[6]

More than 70% (using your figures) is most.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

That is not recieving ALL the support. Only 42 percent pay all they are supposed to. And that is certainly NOT most.

I'm sure if you only paid part of your mortgage or credit card or car payment, that would be ok? evileye

huskerbb · Guru

But they are still paying.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
But they are still paying.

So, it's ok to have your car repossessed, your house foreclosed on and get sued by your credit card company for partial payments only, but hell - let's give deadbeats credit for tossing $20 their kids' way!

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Yeah.

I got a check from the ex through CPS. It was for a whole $1.00.

I called and asked why they sent $1 and what are they doing to get the rest of it.

I was told to be thankful I got that.

I was also told by these same, wonderful people that I shouldn't try to take him back to court. That he would be put in jail and then what would I get?

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
But they are still paying.
So, it's ok to have your car repossessed, your house foreclosed on and get sued by your credit card company for partial payments only, but hell - let's give deadbeats credit for tossing $20 their kids' way!

There are penLties if they don't catchnup. usually, child support is taken directly out of paychecks, anymore.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
But they are still paying.
So, it's ok to have your car repossessed, your house foreclosed on and get sued by your credit card company for partial payments only, but hell - let's give deadbeats credit for tossing $20 their kids' way!
There are penLties if they don't catchnup. usually, child support is taken directly out of paychecks, anymore.

Well. That would require steady employment.

And it takes about 6 weeks to get anything going and that is without the father putting up road blocks.

It isn't cut and dry.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

lilyofcourse wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
But they are still paying.
So, it's ok to have your car repossessed, your house foreclosed on and get sued by your credit card company for partial payments only, but hell - let's give deadbeats credit for tossing $20 their kids' way!
There are penLties if they don't catchnup. usually, child support is taken directly out of paychecks, anymore.

Well. That would require steady employment.
And it takes about 6 weeks to get anything going and that is without the father putting up road blocks.
It isn't cut and dry.

It would also require knowing where they are. Once they cross state lines, it becomes harder.