TOTALLY GEEKED!

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

103 YR Old Woman Banned From Her Church

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

How sad. How very not the way Jesus would handle it.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

WTH??? It's a BAPTIST church - the pastor is an employee of the church body, he is not in charge. That is messed up on all counts.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

She can attend church AND disagree with him. What is the big deal?

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

He wants total control. And parishioners have the right to question things if they feel like things are not going well.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

I saw the headline, but didn't read the story until now.

That "pastor" should be ashamed!

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I actually heard about this yesterday. The story I heard is that she was banned for not tithing, which is even worse!

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

I hope he gets fired. This is horrible.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Lawyerlady wrote:
I actually heard about this yesterday. The story I heard is that she was banned for not tithing, which is even worse!

WTF? He needs to go. Maybe she doesn't have a lot. It's not his place to judge her for not tithing.

Lindley · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I actually heard about this yesterday. The story I heard is that she was banned for not tithing, which is even worse!
WTF? He needs to go. Maybe she doesn't have a lot. It's not his place to judge her for not tithing.

The members should step in in her favor and let the pastor know that this is unacceptable

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Devouring and destroying.

This is insane.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

The Pastor does not have to change what he is doing just because some members don't like it. However a Pastor should still be welcoming ,even if someone disagrees with their style.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
The Pastor does not have to change what he is doing just because some members don't like it. However a Pastor should still be welcoming ,even if someone disagrees with their style.

No, he doesn't have to please everyone. But 20 members and a deacon? He should be losing his job. Pastors are not in charge in a Baptist church.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
Devouring and destroying.

This is insane.

This is at least the second time you've said that & I have no clue what it means.

flan

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
WTH??? It's a BAPTIST church - the pastor is an employee of the church body, he is not in charge. That is messed up on all counts.

I wonder, though, if the deacons/elders or whomever are the laypeople in charge aren't siding with the pastor.

huskerbb · Guru

I can't speak to the Baptist way of church polity, but coming from a denomination with an over-arching church body, there are normally pretty specific grounds for removing a pastor. As long as they are preaching according to church doctrine, they usually have wide latitude in how they will preach, what they will preach, and how the set up their services.

Obviously, I think he went overboard in his reaction here, but truly, he might not have done anything that would be grounds for removal--especially if the lay leaders are backing him.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
WTH??? It's a BAPTIST church - the pastor is an employee of the church body, he is not in charge. That is messed up on all counts.
I wonder, though, if the deacons/elders or whomever are the laypeople in charge aren't siding with the pastor.

At least one of the deacons was told not to come back.

A Baptist church is autonomous in hiring and firing their pastors. They vote him in, they can vote him out. The Deacons are the ones technically in charge of running the church - but major decisions require a vote of the church members.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
WTH??? It's a BAPTIST church - the pastor is an employee of the church body, he is not in charge. That is messed up on all counts.
I wonder, though, if the deacons/elders or whomever are the laypeople in charge aren't siding with the pastor.
At least one of the deacons was told not to come back.

A Baptist church is autonomous in hiring and firing their pastors. They vote him in, they can vote him out. The Deacons are the ones technically in charge of running the church - but major decisions require a vote of the church members.

But maybe that's the issue. There was a meeting.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
WTH??? It's a BAPTIST church - the pastor is an employee of the church body, he is not in charge. That is messed up on all counts.
I wonder, though, if the deacons/elders or whomever are the laypeople in charge aren't siding with the pastor.
At least one of the deacons was told not to come back.

A Baptist church is autonomous in hiring and firing their pastors. They vote him in, they can vote him out. The Deacons are the ones technically in charge of running the church - but major decisions require a vote of the church members.
But maybe that's the issue. There was a meeting.

What kind of church tells a bunch of members not to come back? That's just wrong.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
WTH??? It's a BAPTIST church - the pastor is an employee of the church body, he is not in charge. That is messed up on all counts.
I wonder, though, if the deacons/elders or whomever are the laypeople in charge aren't siding with the pastor.
At least one of the deacons was told not to come back.

A Baptist church is autonomous in hiring and firing their pastors. They vote him in, they can vote him out. The Deacons are the ones technically in charge of running the church - but major decisions require a vote of the church members.
But maybe that's the issue. There was a meeting.
What kind of church tells a bunch of members not to come back? That's just wrong.

It happens--probably a lot more than you think.

If a group of members wants to do something that is against church doctrine.

If a group of members wants to get rid of a pastor and the majority does not.

Could be lots of reasons.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

She's 103. What happened to respecting your elders and taking care of widows? So wrong on so many levels.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
She's 103. What happened to respecting your elders and taking care of widows? So wrong on so many levels.

We don't know the details of what she wanted or what she was asking.

If she was asking or wanting something that was against church doctrine, then her age is irrelevant. The pastor cannot, in that case, comply, and the members of the congregation that supported him were right.

Was that the case here? We don't know--but we are only getting one side of the story. It certainly seems to me, however, that if she were 100% in the right here--then a majority of the congregation would have supported her and the others, but that does not seem to be the case.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Thursday 17th of September 2015 08:40:55 PM

WYSIWYG · Guru

This is sad for that woman.

And people wonder why church attendance is falling at an alarming rate. Churches with leaderships like this one may be part of the problem.

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

If you are sending letter threatening people with arrest and telling them NOT to come to church then you are doing it wrong. I ddon't care what she wanted or how she said it, telling people not to come to church fixes nothing. It only drives people away from the faith.

huskerbb · Guru

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
If you are sending letter threatening people with arrest and telling them NOT to come to church then you are doing it wrong. I ddon't care what she wanted or how she said it, telling people not to come to church fixes nothing. It only drives people away from the faith.

But if the issue is that someone has already strayed from the faith, then there are procedures to use, and we don't know they Were not followed here.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Would you consider calling someone an "oxygen bandit' straying from the faith?

Matthew 5:22New International Version (NIV)

22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister[a] will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’[c] is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Would you consider calling someone an "oxygen bandit' straying from the faith?

Matthew 5:22New International Version (NIV)

22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister[a] will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’[c] is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell

???? Neither your post or the verse has anything to do with the subject at hand.

i never never called anyone a fool. I said that we don't know what she was asking, and that there are likely procedures to follow here and we dont know they Weren't.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

So, saying that her life isn't worth living and calling her an oxygen bandit isn't tantamount to that? Oh, ok. confuse

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
So, saying that her life isn't worth living and calling her an oxygen bandit isn't tantamount to that? Oh, ok.

WTF are you talking about? I never said any such thing about this woman. Are you daft?

Lindley · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
She's 103. What happened to respecting your elders and taking care of widows? So wrong on so many levels.
We don't know the details of what she wanted or what she was asking.

If she was asking or wanting something that was against church doctrine, then her age is irrelevant. The pastor cannot, in that case, comply, and the members of the congregation that supported him were right.
Was that the case here? We don't know--but we are only getting one side of the story. It certainly seems to me, however, that if she were 100% in the right here--then a majority of the congregation would have supported her and the others, but that does not seem to be the case.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Thursday 17th of September 2015 08:40:55 PM

She is a 103 years old. She has been to that Church almost all her life. Just because she stated her opinions to the Pastor about what she was disagreeing with is no reason to kick her out. Sheesh, I'm going to have to thank my pastor for putting up with my MIL til she died. She was very opinionated too. Christ would not have wanted him to kick her out. He chewed out a lot of Pharisees and Temple leaders while He was on earth. The only reason I would think is ok if she got up and interrupting service doing a satanic ritual.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Apparently, he was doing the holy roller thrown down in the aisles type services, which is not exactly Baptist.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
So, saying that her life isn't worth living and calling her an oxygen bandit isn't tantamount to that? Oh, ok.
WTF are you talking about? I never said any such thing about this woman. Are you daft?

evileye

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
So, saying that her life isn't worth living and calling her an oxygen bandit isn't tantamount to that? Oh, ok.
WTF are you talking about? I never said any such thing about this woman. Are you daft?

I see you have answered the daft question in the affirmative.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Apparently, he was doing the holy roller thrown down in the aisles type services, which is not exactly Baptist.

Then if the pastor is wrong, then the lay leaders, members, and/or over-arching church body should correct him. If they do not--then how do we know it was him that was wrong and not her? Just because she is old doesn't mean she is right.

she may be--but then why doesnt the majority of the church back her up?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Apparently, he was doing the holy roller thrown down in the aisles type services, which is not exactly Baptist.
Then if the pastor is wrong, then the lay leaders, members, and/or over-arching church body should correct him. If they do not--then how do we know it was him that was wrong and not her? Just because she is old doesn't mean she is right.

she may be--but then why doesnt the majority of the church back her up?

Well, 20 other memberships were revoked, too. And I've seen a picture of this church - it can't be that big.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

I don't care how much she disagreed with the pastor. I really don't. Pastors are supposed to set the example for the church. They are supposed to be a step above. Seriously. Unless this woman was worshiping Satan in the church it was his DUTY to meet with her and sit down with her and hear her out. Throwing an elderly woman, or anyone, out of a church is not what Jesus would do. And he definitely wouldn't have had the police called.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
I don't care how much she disagreed with the pastor. I really don't. Pastors are supposed to set the example for the church. They are supposed to be a step above. Seriously. Unless this woman was worshiping Satan in the church it was his DUTY to meet with her and sit down with her and hear her out. Throwing an elderly woman, or anyone, out of a church is not what Jesus would do. And he definitely wouldn't have had the police called.

Amen! Preach it, sister!

Although, the church has now issued a statement that the members present at a meeting voted her out, not the pastor - officially. Yeah, right.

huskerbb · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
I don't care how much she disagreed with the pastor. I really don't. Pastors are supposed to set the example for the church. They are supposed to be a step above. Seriously. Unless this woman was worshiping Satan in the church it was his DUTY to meet with her and sit down with her and hear her out. Throwing an elderly woman, or anyone, out of a church is not what Jesus would do. And he definitely wouldn't have had the police called.

We don't know he didn't do that.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Apparently, he was doing the holy roller thrown down in the aisles type services, which is not exactly Baptist.
Then if the pastor is wrong, then the lay leaders, members, and/or over-arching church body should correct him. If they do not--then how do we know it was him that was wrong and not her? Just because she is old doesn't mean she is right.

she may be--but then why doesnt the majority of the church back her up?
Well, 20 other memberships were revoked, too. And I've seen a picture of this church - it can't be that big.

But if 40 members supported the pastor, I'm not sure what your point is. That would still be a majority.

I just oust don't think the pastor could unilaterally do this without sound reason and without the support of the lay leaders and a majority of church voters.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
I don't care how much she disagreed with the pastor. I really don't. Pastors are supposed to set the example for the church. They are supposed to be a step above. Seriously. Unless this woman was worshiping Satan in the church it was his DUTY to meet with her and sit down with her and hear her out. Throwing an elderly woman, or anyone, out of a church is not what Jesus would do. And he definitely wouldn't have had the police called.
Amen! Preach it, sister!

Although, the church has now issued a statement that the members present at a meeting voted her out, not the pastor - officially. Yeah, right.

How the fvck do you vote a member out of the church and tell them not to come back? People want to know why no one wants to go to church? Geesh, I wonder why. It's easier to hang with addicts than it is to get into a church these days.

huskerbb · Guru

It happens. False doctrine would be a solid reason. Not saying that is the case here, but we don't know, either.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Well when Christians start bitching and moaning about why people don't get up on Sundays and go to church this is a perfect example.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Apparently, he was doing the holy roller thrown down in the aisles type services, which is not exactly Baptist.
Then if the pastor is wrong, then the lay leaders, members, and/or over-arching church body should correct him. If they do not--then how do we know it was him that was wrong and not her? Just because she is old doesn't mean she is right.

she may be--but then why doesnt the majority of the church back her up?
Well, 20 other memberships were revoked, too. And I've seen a picture of this church - it can't be that big.
But if 40 members supported the pastor, I'm not sure what your point is. That would still be a majority.

I just oust don't think the pastor could unilaterally do this without sound reason and without the support of the lay leaders and a majority of church voters.

No, he didn't unilaterally do it. But he is the one that is supposed to be above this kind of crap and guide them through it. Not get all butthurt when an elderly member complains about what he is doing that is completely different than Baptist services. She's 103! She was in that church before his parents were born! The whole church should be ashamed.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

AMEN!! And to call the police? Really?

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Apparently, he was doing the holy roller thrown down in the aisles type services, which is not exactly Baptist.
Then if the pastor is wrong, then the lay leaders, members, and/or over-arching church body should correct him. If they do not--then how do we know it was him that was wrong and not her? Just because she is old doesn't mean she is right.

she may be--but then why doesnt the majority of the church back her up?
Well, 20 other memberships were revoked, too. And I've seen a picture of this church - it can't be that big.
But if 40 members supported the pastor, I'm not sure what your point is. That would still be a majority.

I just oust don't think the pastor could unilaterally do this without sound reason and without the support of the lay leaders and a majority of church voters.
No, he didn't unilaterally do it. But he is the one that is supposed to be above this kind of crap and guide them through it. Not get all butthurt when an elderly member complains about what he is doing that is completely different than Baptist services. She's 103! She was in that church before his parents were born! The whole church should be ashamed.

But we don't know what measures he took to guide the church through it. Maybe this was the last straw. I doubt if it was their first reaction, or even his.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Apparently, he was doing the holy roller thrown down in the aisles type services, which is not exactly Baptist.
Then if the pastor is wrong, then the lay leaders, members, and/or over-arching church body should correct him. If they do not--then how do we know it was him that was wrong and not her? Just because she is old doesn't mean she is right.

she may be--but then why doesnt the majority of the church back her up?
Well, 20 other memberships were revoked, too. And I've seen a picture of this church - it can't be that big.
But if 40 members supported the pastor, I'm not sure what your point is. That would still be a majority.

I just oust don't think the pastor could unilaterally do this without sound reason and without the support of the lay leaders and a majority of church voters.
No, he didn't unilaterally do it. But he is the one that is supposed to be above this kind of crap and guide them through it. Not get all butthurt when an elderly member complains about what he is doing that is completely different than Baptist services. She's 103! She was in that church before his parents were born! The whole church should be ashamed.

But we don't know what measures he took to guide the church through it. Maybe this was the last straw. I doubt if it was their first reaction, or even his.

But you are missing the point that if he is doing that kind of service - it is not Baptist.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Apparently, he was doing the holy roller thrown down in the aisles type services, which is not exactly Baptist.
Then if the pastor is wrong, then the lay leaders, members, and/or over-arching church body should correct him. If they do not--then how do we know it was him that was wrong and not her? Just because she is old doesn't mean she is right.

she may be--but then why doesnt the majority of the church back her up?
Well, 20 other memberships were revoked, too. And I've seen a picture of this church - it can't be that big.
But if 40 members supported the pastor, I'm not sure what your point is. That would still be a majority.

I just oust don't think the pastor could unilaterally do this without sound reason and without the support of the lay leaders and a majority of church voters.
No, he didn't unilaterally do it. But he is the one that is supposed to be above this kind of crap and guide them through it. Not get all butthurt when an elderly member complains about what he is doing that is completely different than Baptist services. She's 103! She was in that church before his parents were born! The whole church should be ashamed.

But we don't know what measures he took to guide the church through it. Maybe this was the last straw. I doubt if it was their first reaction, or even his.
But you are missing the point that if he is doing that kind of service - it is not Baptist.

Well, I don't know what is Baptist and what is not--but if he is truly doing something against Baptist church policy or doctrine, then why isn't the over-arching church body stepping in? Or why aren't the majority of the members supporting her and not him?

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Maybe she and the few others were the only ones who really cared.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

So he is a pastor who believes in the gifts of the Spirit?

There are some Baptist churches who do you know.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Rollin rollin rolling.

TOTALLY GEEKED!

Why a 103-Year-Old Woman Was Banned From Her Life-Long Church