TOTALLY GEEKED!

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

RE: 103 YR Old Woman Banned From Her Church

huskerbb · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Maybe she and the few others were the only ones who really cared.

Maybe--so does that mean they get to dictate to everyone else?

If the pastor was truly doing something that was against Baptist church polity--PLENTY of people would have cared.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
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huskerbb wrote:
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huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Apparently, he was doing the holy roller thrown down in the aisles type services, which is not exactly Baptist.
Then if the pastor is wrong, then the lay leaders, members, and/or over-arching church body should correct him. If they do not--then how do we know it was him that was wrong and not her? Just because she is old doesn't mean she is right.

she may be--but then why doesnt the majority of the church back her up?
Well, 20 other memberships were revoked, too. And I've seen a picture of this church - it can't be that big.
But if 40 members supported the pastor, I'm not sure what your point is. That would still be a majority.

I just oust don't think the pastor could unilaterally do this without sound reason and without the support of the lay leaders and a majority of church voters.
No, he didn't unilaterally do it. But he is the one that is supposed to be above this kind of crap and guide them through it. Not get all butthurt when an elderly member complains about what he is doing that is completely different than Baptist services. She's 103! She was in that church before his parents were born! The whole church should be ashamed.

But we don't know what measures he took to guide the church through it. Maybe this was the last straw. I doubt if it was their first reaction, or even his.
But you are missing the point that if he is doing that kind of service - it is not Baptist.
Well, I don't know what is Baptist and what is not--but if he is truly doing something against Baptist church policy or doctrine, then why isn't the over-arching church body stepping in? Or why aren't the majority of the members supporting her and not him?

For the most part - Baptist churches are autonomous. Most belong to the Southern Baptist Convention, but not all.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Well, husker can argue to his hearts content but I hope I never ever ever find myself worshiping in a church where the pastor feels free to call the police on ANYONE and have them forcibly removed just because he doesn't like them.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Well, husker can argue to his hearts content but I hope I never ever ever find myself worshiping in a church where the pastor feels free to call the police on ANYONE and have them forcibly removed just because he doesn't like them.

Especially not a 103 year old woman. I don't care if she's dancing naked in the aisle because she's lost her marbles screaming "You suck, pastor!"

huskerbb · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Well, husker can argue to his hearts content but I hope I never ever ever find myself worshiping in a church where the pastor feels free to call the police on ANYONE and have them forcibly removed just because he doesn't like them.

That's not even why the article says she was told to go. You are making up nonsense, now.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Apparently, he was doing the holy roller thrown down in the aisles type services, which is not exactly Baptist.
Then if the pastor is wrong, then the lay leaders, members, and/or over-arching church body should correct him. If they do not--then how do we know it was him that was wrong and not her? Just because she is old doesn't mean she is right.

she may be--but then why doesnt the majority of the church back her up?
Well, 20 other memberships were revoked, too. And I've seen a picture of this church - it can't be that big.
But if 40 members supported the pastor, I'm not sure what your point is. That would still be a majority.

I just oust don't think the pastor could unilaterally do this without sound reason and without the support of the lay leaders and a majority of church voters.
No, he didn't unilaterally do it. But he is the one that is supposed to be above this kind of crap and guide them through it. Not get all butthurt when an elderly member complains about what he is doing that is completely different than Baptist services. She's 103! She was in that church before his parents were born! The whole church should be ashamed.

But we don't know what measures he took to guide the church through it. Maybe this was the last straw. I doubt if it was their first reaction, or even his.
But you are missing the point that if he is doing that kind of service - it is not Baptist.
Well, I don't know what is Baptist and what is not--but if he is truly doing something against Baptist church policy or doctrine, then why isn't the over-arching church body stepping in? Or why aren't the majority of the members supporting her and not him?
For the most part - Baptist churches are autonomous. Most belong to the Southern Baptist Convention, but not all.

But that still doesn't answer the last question.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Well, husker can argue to his hearts content but I hope I never ever ever find myself worshiping in a church where the pastor feels free to call the police on ANYONE and have them forcibly removed just because he doesn't like them.
Especially not a 103 year old woman. I don't care if she's dancing naked in the aisle because she's lost her marbles screaming "You suck, pastor!"

No kidding.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

huskerbb wrote:

But that still doesn't answer the last question.

I answered it. You didn't like my answer. I can't help it if you don't like it.

huskerbb · Guru

No, you didn't. You spoke to the pastor--not the members.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Since you can't read I'll say it one more time. This will be the last time. Maybe the members that didn't show up didn't really give a damn either way. Or maybe they had other obligations. There could be many reasons a bunch of the church didn't show up. In fact, I don't know of a single church out there that every single person shows up for every single meeting.

What I do know is that any pastor that has someone forcibly removed from church is not a good pastor. Church is supposed to be a sanctuary. Not a battlefield. If Christians and non Christians cannot come to the church for help and peace do not expect people to come anymore. And your religion will get no respect because it deserves no respect. So don't go off on non Christians when they say something you don't like about Christians. God preached love, mercy, forgiveness, tolerance, and opened his arms to anyone and everyone.

Apparently you have a long list of people not worthy of life or of God's love. Sad for you. Happy for me that the Bible doesn't reflect your views.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
No, you didn't. You spoke to the pastor--not the members.

She did answer your question. I can tell you that it is normal for only a handful of members to show up to those meetings. So you had a handful of members revoke the membership of 20 people. Such a drastic measure should have had notice and a special meeting or done at the actual church service. It was underhanded and wrong.

huskerbb · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Since you can't read I'll say it one more time. This will be the last time. Maybe the members that didn't show up didn't really give a damn either way. Or maybe they had other obligations. There could be many reasons a bunch of the church didn't show up. In fact, I don't know of a single church out there that every single person shows up for every single meeting.

What I do know is that any pastor that has someone forcibly removed from church is not a good pastor. Church is supposed to be a sanctuary. Not a battlefield. If Christians and non Christians cannot come to the church for help and peace do not expect people to come anymore. And your religion will get no respect because it deserves no respect. So don't go off on non Christians when they say something you don't like about Christians. God preached love, mercy, forgiveness, tolerance, and opened his arms to anyone and everyone.

Apparently you have a long list of people not worthy of life or of God's love. Sad for you. Happy for me that the Bible doesn't reflect your views.

You don't know that, at all. Plus, if they didn't "give a damn either way"--then the vote would still stand. Just because only half of Americans vote in any given presidential election doesn't mean the vote is invalid when it's over.

Who started the "battlefield"? The pastor? No. He was preaching the way he wanted to preach.

This isn't about "God's love". If you don't like the way a particular church does things--you are free to choose another, and God will welcome that.

However, if you choose to be, say, a Lutheran--then you are confessing that you believe in what that denomination teaches and how they conduct things.

Again, IF this pastor is off the rails and preaching in a way contrary to Baptist doctrine or way of doing things, then either a majority of the members or an over-arching church body (if there is one) need to step in.

If they don't and haven't--then how do you know she's right according to their beliefs and way of practice?

-- Edited by huskerbb on Saturday 19th of September 2015 12:23:34 PM

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Since you can't read I'll say it one more time. This will be the last time. Maybe the members that didn't show up didn't really give a damn either way. Or maybe they had other obligations. There could be many reasons a bunch of the church didn't show up. In fact, I don't know of a single church out there that every single person shows up for every single meeting.

What I do know is that any pastor that has someone forcibly removed from church is not a good pastor. Church is supposed to be a sanctuary. Not a battlefield. If Christians and non Christians cannot come to the church for help and peace do not expect people to come anymore. And your religion will get no respect because it deserves no respect. So don't go off on non Christians when they say something you don't like about Christians. God preached love, mercy, forgiveness, tolerance, and opened his arms to anyone and everyone.

Apparently you have a long list of people not worthy of life or of God's love. Sad for you. Happy for me that the Bible doesn't reflect your views.
You don't know that, at all. Plus, if they didn't "give a damn either way"--then the vote would still stand. Just because only half of Americans vote in any given presidential election doesn't mean the vote is invalid when it's over.
Who started the "battlefield"? The pastor? No. He was preaching the way he wanted to preach.
This isn't about "God's love". If you don't like the way a particular church does things--you are free to choose another, and God will welcome that.
However, if you choose to be, say, a Lutheran--then you are confessing that you believe in what that denomination teaches and how they conduct things.
Again, IF this pastor is off the rails and preaching in a way contrary to Baptist doctrine or way of doing things, then either a majority of the members or an over-arching church body (if there is one) need to step in.
If they don't and haven't--then how do you know she's right according to their beliefs and way of practice?

-- Edited by huskerbb on Saturday 19th of September 2015 12:23:34 PM

Let's try one more time. It is not necessarily a majority of the members. It was a majority of who showed up to that meeting. Two VERY, VERY, VERY different things.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
No, you didn't. You spoke to the pastor--not the members.
She did answer your question. I can tell you that it is normal for only a handful of members to show up to those meetings. So you had a handful of members revoke the membership of 20 people. Such a drastic measure should have had notice and a special meeting or done at the actual church service. It was underhanded and wrong.

You know, regardless of who was right and who was wrong this was handled so poorly and so badly. The message sent to the community was, If you disobey the pastor you will have the police called on you. Nowhere in the Bible does Jesus ever call the law on anyone. Jesus worked out of love and compassion. I would leave a church like this.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

In the church I grew up in, any meeting that was going to have a significant vote needed - the meeting was directly after church and it was announced a month in advance and every Sunday until the meeting occurred. Simple solution.

And anyone who calls the law and has a 103 year old woman forcibly removed from church has failed in their duty as a shepherd of a flock. You are supposed to shepherd the whole flock, not just the ones that agree with you.

I don't care what she did...this was uncalled for. A pastor should have better tools in their tool belt than just kicking 20 people out of the church and calling the cops. Regardless if he already tried...he needed to keep trying. Calling the cops was wrong. Period.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Mellow Momma wrote:
In the church I grew up in, any meeting that was going to have a significant vote needed - the meeting was directly after church and it was announced a month in advance and every Sunday until the meeting occurred. Simple solution.

And anyone who calls the law and has a 103 year old woman forcibly removed from church has failed in their duty as a shepherd of a flock. You are supposed to shepherd the whole flock, not just the ones that agree with you.

I don't care what she did...this was uncalled for. A pastor should have better tools in their tool belt than just kicking 20 people out of the church and calling the cops. Regardless if he already tried...he needed to keep trying. Calling the cops was wrong. Period.

And anyone who can't see just how wrong that is has serious problems.

huskerbb · Guru

Mellow Momma wrote:
In the church I grew up in, any meeting that was going to have a significant vote needed - the meeting was directly after church and it was announced a month in advance and every Sunday until the meeting occurred. Simple solution.

And anyone who calls the law and has a 103 year old woman forcibly removed from church has failed in their duty as a shepherd of a flock. You are supposed to shepherd the whole flock, not just the ones that agree with you.

I don't care what she did...this was uncalled for. A pastor should have better tools in their tool belt than just kicking 20 people out of the church and calling the cops. Regardless if he already tried...he needed to keep trying. Calling the cops was wrong. Period.

A. We don't know that there was not a significant vote. I don't know how Baptist churches are governed, but it's rather hard to believe they even could remove members without such a vote.

B. It depends on what the disagreement was about and what was done before this point. Excommunication is a drastic step available to all churches. It is rarely used. I've never seen it, personally, but again, it depends on what the disagreement was about.

C. Whether it was "uncalled for" depends on what it was about.

I agree calling the cops for a religious matter was stupid--and they cops told the pastor that when they got there--but it's still hard to believe that the pastor could take this step without the support of the vast majority of the congregation.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
In the church I grew up in, any meeting that was going to have a significant vote needed - the meeting was directly after church and it was announced a month in advance and every Sunday until the meeting occurred. Simple solution.

And anyone who calls the law and has a 103 year old woman forcibly removed from church has failed in their duty as a shepherd of a flock. You are supposed to shepherd the whole flock, not just the ones that agree with you.

I don't care what she did...this was uncalled for. A pastor should have better tools in their tool belt than just kicking 20 people out of the church and calling the cops. Regardless if he already tried...he needed to keep trying. Calling the cops was wrong. Period.
A. We don't know that there was not a significant vote. I don't know how Baptist churches are governed, but it's rather hard to believe they even could remove members without such a vote.
B. It depends on what the disagreement was about and what was done before this point. Excommunication is a drastic step available to all churches. It is rarely used. I've never seen it, personally, but again, it depends on what the disagreement was about.
C. Whether it was "uncalled for" depends on what it was about.
I agree calling the cops for a religious matter was stupid--and they cops told the pastor that when they got there--but it's still hard to believe that the pastor could take this step without the support of the vast majority of the congregation.

Husker - why do you keep missing the point? We don't care how much support he had. They were ALL wrong.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
In the church I grew up in, any meeting that was going to have a significant vote needed - the meeting was directly after church and it was announced a month in advance and every Sunday until the meeting occurred. Simple solution.

And anyone who calls the law and has a 103 year old woman forcibly removed from church has failed in their duty as a shepherd of a flock. You are supposed to shepherd the whole flock, not just the ones that agree with you.

I don't care what she did...this was uncalled for. A pastor should have better tools in their tool belt than just kicking 20 people out of the church and calling the cops. Regardless if he already tried...he needed to keep trying. Calling the cops was wrong. Period.
A. We don't know that there was not a significant vote. I don't know how Baptist churches are governed, but it's rather hard to believe they even could remove members without such a vote.
B. It depends on what the disagreement was about and what was done before this point. Excommunication is a drastic step available to all churches. It is rarely used. I've never seen it, personally, but again, it depends on what the disagreement was about.
C. Whether it was "uncalled for" depends on what it was about.
I agree calling the cops for a religious matter was stupid--and they cops told the pastor that when they got there--but it's still hard to believe that the pastor could take this step without the support of the vast majority of the congregation.
Husker - why do you keep missing the point? We don't care how much support he had. They were ALL wrong.

Exactly. It was the pastor's duty to bring this woman closer to God - not drive her away.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

And what message does that send to the community? You'll do everything I say and do it my way or I'll call the police on you?

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
In the church I grew up in, any meeting that was going to have a significant vote needed - the meeting was directly after church and it was announced a month in advance and every Sunday until the meeting occurred. Simple solution.

And anyone who calls the law and has a 103 year old woman forcibly removed from church has failed in their duty as a shepherd of a flock. You are supposed to shepherd the whole flock, not just the ones that agree with you.

I don't care what she did...this was uncalled for. A pastor should have better tools in their tool belt than just kicking 20 people out of the church and calling the cops. Regardless if he already tried...he needed to keep trying. Calling the cops was wrong. Period.
A. We don't know that there was not a significant vote. I don't know how Baptist churches are governed, but it's rather hard to believe they even could remove members without such a vote.
B. It depends on what the disagreement was about and what was done before this point. Excommunication is a drastic step available to all churches. It is rarely used. I've never seen it, personally, but again, it depends on what the disagreement was about.
C. Whether it was "uncalled for" depends on what it was about.
I agree calling the cops for a religious matter was stupid--and they cops told the pastor that when they got there--but it's still hard to believe that the pastor could take this step without the support of the vast majority of the congregation.
Husker - why do you keep missing the point? We don't care how much support he had. They were ALL wrong.

You keep saying that--but you don't know that they were, in fact, wrong. If they were, then the over-arching church body should step in and clear it up. If there isn't a said over-arching body--then by default, they can't really be "wrong" because in an independent church, a majority of members get to decide the issue.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Even the police had the good sense NOT to get involved.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

She's 103. Even if the Pastor hates her guts, it's a self solving problem.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
She's 103. Even if the Pastor hates her guts, it's a self solving problem.

He had a chance to minister to her with compassion and love and set the example for the rest of the congregation on how to treat our elders. He was supposed to minister to his whole flock and be a shepherd of ALL of them. He failed and probably drove more people away from the church than he will ever realize - people who don't even live near him but have heard the story. They may have been thinking of going to church and this story made them feel like they weren't welcome.

huskerbb · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Even the police had the good sense NOT to get involved.

flan

It's not a police matter. They aren't going to get involved in doctrinal/church practice disputes. They aren't going to enter a Catholic Church and say "well, we've got some complaints about how you are handling communion".

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Even the police had the good sense NOT to get involved.

flan

It's not a police matter. They aren't going to get involved in doctrinal/church practice disputes. They aren't going to enter a Catholic Church and say "well, we've got some complaints about how you are handling communion".

I thought the police were called because she was considered to be trespassing on private property since she was no longer a member. It didn't have anything to do with doctrine.

huskerbb · Guru

Mellow Momma wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Even the police had the good sense NOT to get involved.

flan

It's not a police matter. They aren't going to get involved in doctrinal/church practice disputes. They aren't going to enter a Catholic Church and say "well, we've got some complaints about how you are handling communion".
I thought the police were called because she was considered to be trespassing on private property since she was no longer a member. It didn't have anything to do with doctrine.

I have no idea why they were called. It was foolish. They declined to get involved, anyway, which is what they should have done.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Well reading the OP is a good start. The police were called because the pastor asked to have her removed from the property - he told her she was no longer welcome there.

huskerbb · Guru

Because of a dispute over doctrine/practice--and they declined to get involved.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
In the church I grew up in, any meeting that was going to have a significant vote needed - the meeting was directly after church and it was announced a month in advance and every Sunday until the meeting occurred. Simple solution.

And anyone who calls the law and has a 103 year old woman forcibly removed from church has failed in their duty as a shepherd of a flock. You are supposed to shepherd the whole flock, not just the ones that agree with you.

I don't care what she did...this was uncalled for. A pastor should have better tools in their tool belt than just kicking 20 people out of the church and calling the cops. Regardless if he already tried...he needed to keep trying. Calling the cops was wrong. Period.
A.   We don't know that there was not a significant vote. I don't know how Baptist churches are governed, but it's rather hard to believe they even could remove members without such a vote.
B. It depends on what the disagreement was about and what was done before this point. Excommunication is a drastic step available to all churches. It is rarely used. I've never seen it, personally, but again, it depends on what the disagreement was about.
C.  Whether it was "uncalled for" depends on what it was about.
I agree calling the cops for a religious matter was stupid--and they cops told the pastor that when they got there--but it's still hard to believe that the pastor could take this step without the support of the vast majority of the congregation.
Husker - why do you keep missing the point? We don't care how much support he had. They were ALL wrong.
You keep saying that--but you don't know that they were, in fact, wrong.  If they were, then the over-arching church body should step in and clear it up. If there isn't a said over-arching body--then by default, they can't really be "wrong" because in an independent church, a majority of members get to decide the issue.

Yes, they can. They have this book.....it's called THE BIBLE.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
In the church I grew up in, any meeting that was going to have a significant vote needed - the meeting was directly after church and it was announced a month in advance and every Sunday until the meeting occurred. Simple solution.

And anyone who calls the law and has a 103 year old woman forcibly removed from church has failed in their duty as a shepherd of a flock. You are supposed to shepherd the whole flock, not just the ones that agree with you.

I don't care what she did...this was uncalled for. A pastor should have better tools in their tool belt than just kicking 20 people out of the church and calling the cops. Regardless if he already tried...he needed to keep trying. Calling the cops was wrong. Period.
A.   We don't know that there was not a significant vote. I don't know how Baptist churches are governed, but it's rather hard to believe they even could remove members without such a vote.
B. It depends on what the disagreement was about and what was done before this point. Excommunication is a drastic step available to all churches. It is rarely used. I've never seen it, personally, but again, it depends on what the disagreement was about.
C.  Whether it was "uncalled for" depends on what it was about.
I agree calling the cops for a religious matter was stupid--and they cops told the pastor that when they got there--but it's still hard to believe that the pastor could take this step without the support of the vast majority of the congregation.
Husker - why do you keep missing the point? We don't care how much support he had. They were ALL wrong.
You keep saying that--but you don't know that they were, in fact, wrong.  If they were, then the over-arching church body should step in and clear it up. If there isn't a said over-arching body--then by default, they can't really be "wrong" because in an independent church, a majority of members get to decide the issue.
Yes, they can. They have this book.....it's called THE BIBLE.

The Bible is silent on many church practices. Not every church body worships in the same way. Using your ridiculous philosophy, if a person went to a Catholic church and wanted to change the services so that they were like a Baptist service--that would be a-ok. That's not the way it works. BOTH could practice the faith according to the Bible--but still differ in their form of service.

Beyond that, you don't know they aren't following the Bible because we don't really know what the dispute was about.

Matthew 5:

29"If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30"If your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to go into hell.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

The pastor resigned and went off to start a new church.

Georgia woman, 103, returns to church after exit of preacher who banned her
Cristina Corbin

By Cristina CorbinPublished October 01, 2015FoxNews.com

Genora Hamm Biggs, 103, is pictured in this photo provided by Fox affiliate WAGA-TV.

Nothing could keep 103-year-old Genora Hamm Biggs from her church -- not even a pastor who expelled her from her place of worship for nearly a century.

Biggs is now allowed to return to the Union Grove Baptist Church in Elberton, Ga. -- and the pastor who gave her the boot is the one who won't be back, according to her attorney.

A parishioner since she was 11, Biggs was banned last month from attending after she disagreed with the church's pastor over his preaching style. When Biggs decided she'd attend anyway, police were called to the small church, where Biggs also worked as the secretary for some 40 years.

"This is the only church she's ever known."

- Ken Dious, attorney

Following her expulsion, the Rev. Tim Mattox, the pastor of six years, claimed he received death threats. On Wednesday, parishioners announced that Mattox was leaving along with other members of the congregation to form a new church.

Biggs was then handed the key to the church and is now responsible, along with a handful of other members, for electing a new pastor, her attorney, Ken Dious, told FoxNews.com.

"She’s elated," Dious said of Biggs on Thursday.

"This is the only church she's ever known," he said. "It was her grandfather who started that church."

Biggs and Mattox had long sparred over his preaching style, which she characterizes as a "Holiness style" that she claims doesn't belong in the Baptist church. Tensions between pastor and parishioner came to a head in early August when Mattox sent her a letter stating she could no longer attend church there "for any reason whatsoever," Fox affiliate WAGA-TV reported.

"This letter is to inform you that according to the By-Laws of the Union Grove Baptist Church, and by vote of the active members, any membership or associations that you have had with this church are now officially revoked," read the letter, dated Aug. 2.

Mattox and other members of the flock are planning to start a new church, called New Bethel, which they said Biggs would not be welcome to join.

Biggs, however, said through her attorney she hopes those church members will one day come back.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
The pastor resigned and went off to start a new church.

Georgia woman, 103, returns to church after exit of preacher who banned her
Cristina Corbin

By Cristina CorbinPublished October 01, 2015FoxNews.com

Genora Hamm Biggs, 103, is pictured in this photo provided by Fox affiliate WAGA-TV.

Nothing could keep 103-year-old Genora Hamm Biggs from her church -- not even a pastor who expelled her from her place of worship for nearly a century.

Biggs is now allowed to return to the Union Grove Baptist Church in Elberton, Ga. -- and the pastor who gave her the boot is the one who won't be back, according to her attorney.

A parishioner since she was 11, Biggs was banned last month from attending after she disagreed with the church's pastor over his preaching style. When Biggs decided she'd attend anyway, police were called to the small church, where Biggs also worked as the secretary for some 40 years.

"This is the only church she's ever known."

- Ken Dious, attorney

Following her expulsion, the Rev. Tim Mattox, the pastor of six years, claimed he received death threats. On Wednesday, parishioners announced that Mattox was leaving along with other members of the congregation to form a new church.

Biggs was then handed the key to the church and is now responsible, along with a handful of other members, for electing a new pastor, her attorney, Ken Dious, told FoxNews.com.

"She’s elated," Dious said of Biggs on Thursday.

"This is the only church she's ever known," he said. "It was her grandfather who started that church."

Biggs and Mattox had long sparred over his preaching style, which she characterizes as a "Holiness style" that she claims doesn't belong in the Baptist church. Tensions between pastor and parishioner came to a head in early August when Mattox sent her a letter stating she could no longer attend church there "for any reason whatsoever," Fox affiliate WAGA-TV reported.

"This letter is to inform you that according to the By-Laws of the Union Grove Baptist Church, and by vote of the active members, any membership or associations that you have had with this church are now officially revoked," read the letter, dated Aug. 2.

Mattox and other members of the flock are planning to start a new church, called New Bethel, which they said Biggs would not be welcome to join.

Biggs, however, said through her attorney she hopes those church members will one day come back.

Well, that's the way the vote came out in the end.

What I couldn't figure out is why this wasn't done in the first place if she was in the right.