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Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Interpret this Bible Passage

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

The vineyard is the world.

The laborers are the Christians.

The pay is the reward when we die.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

What about the "unfairness" of getting paid the same?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

It isn't unfair.

The first agreed to the terms.

They got what they agreed to.

Also, the reward of Heaven is the same for the one accepting Jesus on his death bed as the one who walked and worked in his Faith for 70 years.

Ohfour · Hooker

Grace isn't always fair. Salvation can and will be given to the most vile and evil if they accept the salvation of Christ. Those who have lived much better lives get the exact same salvation. In the end, all believers are treated the exact same...

-- Edited by Ohfour on Tuesday 22nd of September 2015 04:20:05 PM

Lindley · Guru

Salvation is a gift and it is not earned. WE are not saved by our works but by His Grace and His death on the Cross. This my interpretation of this passage.

WYSIWYG · Guru

i have to say, I agree with lilyofcourse's interpretation. It's a metaphor for how to get into Heaven. "Work in the vineyard" represents being a good follower of God and Jesus. and the "payment of a denarius" represents entry into Heaven.

Payment is for those that agreed to work, whether for a day or an hour. They worked as agreed and earned their recompense.

huskerbb · Guru

You can't get into heaven by "working" on your own. It is a free gift from God.

WYSIWYG · Guru

You can't get into heaven by "working" on your own. It is a free gift from God.
- huskerbb

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I don't believe anyone disputes that Heaven is a free gift from God. However, you must agree that the Gift comes with strings, some of which are: Believe in Him, Do as he commands, Obey his rules. Those are relate-able in the metaphor as "working in the vineyard".

huskerbb · Guru

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--

Ephesians 2:8

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

huskerbb wrote:
You can't get into heaven by "working" on your own. It is a free gift from God.

No. That is not what I am saying.

When I say working I mean being in God's service. Sowing and reaping are metaphors for spreading God's word and helping others find their way to God.

I know we don't earn our way into Heaven, into forgiveness.

Sorry if I said it wrong.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I guess my point is that how do human beings really think? If you worked ALL day and got $5 and then someone else comes along, works a few min and gets $5, then what is the normal human response to that? lol

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I guess my point is that how do human beings really think? If you worked ALL day and got $5 and then someone else comes along, works a few min and gets $5, then what is the normal human response to that? lol

Well. A human response would be like yours.

It isn't fair.

But that isn't what the moral of the story is.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

If you are trying to justify a dislike for charity or helping others, you won't find it in the Bible.

Matthew 25:35-40King James Version (KJV)

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

There is 2 Thessalonians 3, people like to use verse 10.

In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers and sisters, to keep away from every believer who is idle and disruptive and does not live according to the teaching^a you received from us. 7For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example. We were not idle when we were with you, 8nor did we eat anyone’s food without paying for it. On the contrary, we worked night and day, laboring and toiling so that we would not be a burden to any of you. 9We did this, not because we do not have the right to such help, but in order to offer ourselves as a model for you to imitate. 10For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”

11We hear that some among you are idle and disruptive. They are not busy; they are busybodies. 12Such people we command and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and earn the food they eat. 13And as for you, brothers and sisters, never tire of doing what is good.

14Take special note of anyone who does not obey our instruction in this letter. Do not associate with them, in order that they may feel ashamed. 15Yet do not regard them as an enemy, but warn them as you would a fellow believer.

But it is about idleness in the spirit.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

If you are trying to justify a dislike for charity or helping others, you won't find it in the Bible.

Huh? What are you talking about? You better start sending some checks to PETA and PP.

As for helping others, I spent 2 hours last night working with 6th graders. So whatever, Lilly. Wow. You have issues.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Then again, you are the same person who wants to execute the mentally ill.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I guess my point is that how do human beings really think? If you worked ALL day and got $5 and then someone else comes along, works a few min and gets $5, then what is the normal human response to that? lol

You shouldn't be worrying about what other people got paid. You agreed to work all day for a danarius - why is it "unfair" that you got paid in line with your agreement?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I didn't say it was unfair to ME. In fact, I have had this conversation with others. I help set salaries in the School District. There has been some occasional whining about what is fair, etc.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
If you are trying to justify a dislike for charity or helping others, you won't find it in the Bible.

Matthew 25:35-40King James Version (KJV)
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

There is 2 Thessalonians 3, people like to use verse 10.
In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers and sisters, to keep away from every believer who is idle and disruptive and does not live according to the teaching^a you received from us. 7For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example. We were not idle when we were with you, 8nor did we eat anyone’s food without paying for it. On the contrary, we worked night and day, laboring and toiling so that we would not be a burden to any of you. 9We did this, not because we do not have the right to such help, but in order to offer ourselves as a model for you to imitate. 10For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”
11We hear that some among you are idle and disruptive. They are not busy; they are busybodies. 12Such people we command and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and earn the food they eat. 13And as for you, brothers and sisters, never tire of doing what is good.
14Take special note of anyone who does not obey our instruction in this letter. Do not associate with them, in order that they may feel ashamed. 15Yet do not regard them as an enemy, but warn them as you would a fellow believer.

But it is about idleness in the spirit.

Well, if you want to have a Bible quoting war, then Game On! biggrin

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Go, go LGS!!!

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I don't know what your problem is Gaga.

You want to discuss scripture but when you don't get the answer you want you get defensive.

I'm not playing this game with you.

You claim to be well studied when it comes to the Bible.

That means you should know it is how to become more Christ like.

Not used to be a butt about things.

Have fun with your thread.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Oh, FFS!

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

It does appear that Gaga is starting to start arguments where there is none.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
It does appear that Gaga is starting to start arguments where there is none.

Yeah. Not sure what she is even arguing about.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I am not arguing about anything. Just thought it might be fun to dissect a Bible Passage. You know, the Bible, something that Scholars can discuss in great detail word by word and passage by passage and thought by thought. Guess it's over our paygrade here.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Maybe you should select a more difficult passage if you want it to be one open to many interpretations. That one seems pretty clear.

Tignanello · My dog name is, Sasha!

And then maybe stop the personal attacks when someone trumps your argument. It makes you look like a child.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:

Maybe you should select a more difficult passage if you want it to be one open to many interpretations. That one seems pretty clear.

I think we could all have a pretty good discussion. How about picking another one?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Tignanello wrote:

And then maybe stop the personal attacks when someone trumps your argument. It makes you look like a child.

Why don't you stop? confuse

Tignanello · My dog name is, Sasha!

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Tignanello wrote:

And then maybe stop the personal attacks when someone trumps your argument. It makes you look like a child.

Why don't you stop?

I have neither had an argument trumped on this thread, nor have I personally attacked someone. In fact, I don't think I've done that on ANY thread!

Just sharing an observation. You don't need to take it personally.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Tignanello wrote:

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Tignanello wrote:

And then maybe stop the personal attacks when someone trumps your argument. It makes you look like a child.

Why don't you stop?
I have neither had an argument trumped on this thread, nor have I personally attacked someone. In fact, I don't think I've done that on ANY thread!
Just sharing an observation. You don't need to take it personally.

Then , don't talk to me and I won't. How's that? Really, I am not interested in your observation of me, thanks so much!

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Tignanello wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Tignanello wrote:

And then maybe stop the personal attacks when someone trumps your argument. It makes you look like a child.

Why don't you stop?
I have neither had an argument trumped on this thread, nor have I personally attacked someone. In fact, I don't think I've done that on ANY thread!
Just sharing an observation. You don't need to take it personally.

I agree.

flan

Tignanello · My dog name is, Sasha!

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Tignanello wrote:

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Tignanello wrote:

And then maybe stop the personal attacks when someone trumps your argument. It makes you look like a child.

Why don't you stop?
I have neither had an argument trumped on this thread, nor have I personally attacked someone. In fact, I don't think I've done that on ANY thread!
Just sharing an observation. You don't need to take it personally.

Then , don't talk to me and I won't. How's that? Really, I am not interested in your observation of me, thanks so much!

I don't think that that is how message boards work.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Back at ya! Just my observation. You only rarely seem to engage the discussion. Funny.

Tignanello · My dog name is, Sasha!

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Back at ya! Just my observation. You only rarely seem to engage the discussion. Funny.

You are welcome to your perspective. I engage in the discussions I find purposeful, or I provide observations I find important to discussions already in progress. My perogative for which you need not agree. You do seem to enjoy jumping on me whenever I do post though. Whatever floats your boat!

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Tignanello wrote:

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Back at ya! Just my observation. You only rarely seem to engage the discussion. Funny.
You are welcome to your perspective. I engage in the discussions I find purposeful, or I provide observations I find important to discussions already in progress. My perogative for which you need not agree. You do seem to enjoy jumping on me whenever I do post though. Whatever floats your boat!

Uh huh. You always pop out of nowhere to blather at me. Then, you go into Victim mode. Uh huh. Same old same old. Whatever floats your boat! biggrin

-- Edited by Lady Gaga Snerd on Thursday 24th of September 2015 01:39:28 PM

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Let's do "The Prodigal Son." I always hated that story.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

OK, post it and dish.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
OK, post it and dish.

I've got to go to a preschool.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Luke 15:11-32New American Standard Bible (NASB)

The Prodigal Son

11 And He said, “A man had two sons. 12 The younger of them said to his father, ‘Father, give me the share of the estate that falls to me.’ So he divided his [a]wealth between them. 13 And not many days later, the younger son gathered everything together and went on a journey into a distant country, and there he squandered his estate with loose living. 14 Now when he had spent everything, a severe famine occurred in that country, and he began to be impoverished. 15 So he went and hired himself out to one of the citizens of that country, and he sent him into his fields to feed swine. 16 And he would have gladly filled his stomach with the [c]pods that the swine were eating, and no one was giving anything to him. 17 But when he came to [d]his senses, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired men have more than enough bread, but I am dying here with hunger! 18 I will get up and go to my father, and will say to him, “Father, I have sinned against heaven, and [e]in your sight; 19 I am no longer worthy to be called your son; make me as one of your hired men.”’ 20 So he got up and came to [f]his father. But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and felt compassion for him, and ran and [g]embraced him and kissed him. 21 And the son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your sight; I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’ 22 But the father said to his slaves, ‘Quickly bring out the best robe and put it on him, and put a ring on his hand and sandals on his feet; 23 and bring the fattened calf, kill it, and let us eat and celebrate; 24 for this son of mine was dead and has come to life again; he was lost and has been found.’ And they began to celebrate.

25 “Now his older son was in the field, and when he came and approached the house, he heard music and dancing. 26 And he summoned one of the servants and began inquiring what these things could be. 27 And he said to him, ‘Your brother has come, and your father has killed the fattened calf because he has received him back safe and sound.’ 28 But he became angry and was not willing to go in; and his father came out and began pleading with him. 29 But he answered and said to his father, ‘Look! For so many years I have been serving you and I have never [h]neglected a command of yours; and yet you have never given me a young goat, so that I might celebrate with my friends; 30 but when this son of yours came, who has devoured your wealth with prostitutes, you killed the fattened calf for him.’ 31 And he said to him, ‘Son, you [j]have always been with me, and all that is mine is yours. 32 But we had to celebrate and rejoice, for this brother of yours was dead and has begun to live, and was lost and has been found.’”

www.biblegateway.com/passage/%3A11-32&version=NASB
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Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I kind of like the NASB version or the NIV. Or, the NKJV.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

When did we become a marina?

Lot of boats floating around here.

Tignanello · My dog name is, Sasha!

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Tignanello wrote:

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Back at ya! Just my observation. You only rarely seem to engage the discussion. Funny.
You are welcome to your perspective. I engage in the discussions I find purposeful, or I provide observations I find important to discussions already in progress. My perogative for which you need not agree. You do seem to enjoy jumping on me whenever I do post though. Whatever floats your boat!

Uh huh. You always pop out of nowhere to blather at me. Then, you go into Victim mode. Uh huh. Same old same old. Whatever floats your boat!

-- Edited by Lady Gaga Snerd on Thursday 24th of September 2015 01:39:28 PM

Aaaaaand the personal attack. Too bad - you almost had me convinced you could avoid it. Oh well. You can try again next time.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

You engaged me. So yeah .... But guess you'll have to pester someone else cuz i am leaving for a basketball game.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Growing up Catholic, I heard dozens of different sermons on this story.

Intellectually, I get it...but on an emotional level, no.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

flan327 wrote:

Growing up Catholic, I heard dozens of different sermons on this story.

Intellectually, I get it...but on an emotional level, no.

flan

What bothers you about it flan? In particular?

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

I must be odd, but I have always been able to separate my intellectual thinking from my emotions. Unless it is something extremely personal.

Anyone else out there able to do that?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:

Growing up Catholic, I heard dozens of different sermons on this story.

Intellectually, I get it...but on an emotional level, no.

flan

What bothers you about it flan? In particular?

The son who is loyal should be celebrated as well.

flan

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:

Growing up Catholic, I heard dozens of different sermons on this story.

Intellectually, I get it...but on an emotional level, no.

flan

What bothers you about it flan? In particular?
The son who is loyal should be celebrated as well.
flan

But the son who is loyal IS celebrated every day, just quietly. The loyal son was jealous and he had no reason to be jealous. That is also part of the moral of the story.

chef · Guru

I love the Prodigal Son parable. It shows how even though we may stray far and wide, God is always there for us and will welcome us back if we repent. A shepherd will always look for all his sheep, even if some stray.