TOTALLY GEEKED!

Ohfour wrote:

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Hes still a joke. He lectures Congress on immigration, but not on SSM or abortion. Retard...

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 He said in his address that all life is sacred.  He did bring it up.

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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Oh, come on. That 'quote' made the rounds ages ago, and was proven to be false then and it is still fake now. Much ado about nothing.
O4, if anyone is a wolf in sheep's clothing doing the devils work to destroy the faith, it is people like you, and people like Lily. Your nasty additude in the name of Christianity does more harm to the image of the faith and turns more people off from it and away from God then this Pope ever could.
You should see how you look from the outside. It is shameful.

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 My attitude is this, the Bible is a big book. You can't just teach and live by the fluff.

That's the milk of the word.

You have to teach and live by the fire and brimstone as well.

That's the meat of the word.

Now, if anyone teaches anything contrary to the word of God, it is the responsibility of the believers to point that out.

There are things in the Bible that are clearly sins that are being glossed over nowadays. 

No one likes it when they are told they are doing something wrong.

lilyofcourse wrote:

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Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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Oh, come on. That 'quote' made the rounds ages ago, and was proven to be false then and it is still fake now. Much ado about nothing.
O4, if anyone is a wolf in sheep's clothing doing the devils work to destroy the faith, it is people like you, and people like Lily. Your nasty additude in the name of Christianity does more harm to the image of the faith and turns more people off from it and away from God then this Pope ever could.
You should see how you look from the outside. It is shameful.

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 My attitude is this, the Bible is a big book. You can't just teach and live by the fluff.

That's the milk of the word.

You have to teach and live by the fire and brimstone as well.

That's the meat of the word.

Now, if anyone teaches anything contrary to the word of God, it is the responsibility of the believers to point that out.

There are things in the Bible that are clearly sins that are being glossed over nowadays. 

No one likes it when they are told they are doing something wrong.

 

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 What is he preaching  that is against the Bible? 

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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Well, God's love is also a part of the Bible. I grew up in a Southern Baptist church that taught fire and brimstone. Every Sunday was a sermon about some sin or other and how we were going to hell over it. Always going to hell. You want to know what I learned growing up? I learned you were going to hell no matter what you do so it didn't really matter.

I am so tired of Christians saying that we have to damn everyone to hell or we aren't doing our job.

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 Read the Poisonwood Bible.  Your post made me think of it.  Wonderful novel.  Fantastic writing.

msrock wrote:

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Fire and Brimstone, Southern Baptist. It's all good memories NJN. lol!

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 We got to where we didn't listen half the time.  He always turned really red and then began spitting.  That's when we tried not to laugh.  They gave us boxes of Junior Mints if we said our Bible verse in Sunday School.  It was issued with the warning, "DO NOT EAT THESE IN CHURCH!"  I don't think those boxes ever made it through church.  I just remember our pastor, remember his name to this day, yelling and screaming and pounding the pulpit and damning us all to hell.  Where we would burn in the firey depths of hell.  Where we would be so parched from the fires that we couldn't even dream of water.  God has damned us for all eternity.

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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Well, God's love is also a part of the Bible. I grew up in a Southern Baptist church that taught fire and brimstone. Every Sunday was a sermon about some sin or other and how we were going to hell over it. Always going to hell. You want to know what I learned growing up? I learned you were going to hell no matter what you do so it didn't really matter.

I am so tired of Christians saying that we have to damn everyone to hell or we aren't doing our job.

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 I have never heard any Christian say we have to damn everyone to hell.

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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Well, God's love is also a part of the Bible. I grew up in a Southern Baptist church that taught fire and brimstone. Every Sunday was a sermon about some sin or other and how we were going to hell over it. Always going to hell. You want to know what I learned growing up? I learned you were going to hell no matter what you do so it didn't really matter.

I am so tired of Christians saying that we have to damn everyone to hell or we aren't doing our job.

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 I have never heard any Christian say we have to damn everyone to hell.

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 Apparently you don't read certain posters on this board.

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 People don't go to hell for what they do. 

Although, as humans, obviously many people think others should and are actually mad that God's grace would be given so freely to EVERYONE. 

huskerbb wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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Well, God's love is also a part of the Bible. I grew up in a Southern Baptist church that taught fire and brimstone. Every Sunday was a sermon about some sin or other and how we were going to hell over it. Always going to hell. You want to know what I learned growing up? I learned you were going to hell no matter what you do so it didn't really matter.

I am so tired of Christians saying that we have to damn everyone to hell or we aren't doing our job.

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 I have never heard any Christian say we have to damn everyone to hell.

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 Me, either.  I would like someone to back up that assertion with even one quote.  I'll bet they can't.

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 No, they can't.  The plain fact of the matter is that sometimes people are very blunt about people who choose not to believe will go to hell.  Sometimes it is said in a not very nice way.  But it is not saying "we have to damn everyone to hell."  People do not have that power - Christians don't damn anyone to hell.  God doesn't damn anyone to hell, either - God is has invited everyone to heaven, and it is their choice if they don't go.  That is not God or anyone else damning anyone to hell. 

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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Ah, you missed the whole point of what I said just so you could defend Lily.

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 You didn't actually have one except to blame Lily for all the ills of the church.

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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Ah, you missed the whole point of what I said just so you could defend Lily.

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 Pretty much...

And it was a very eloquent post, NJN.

flan

Lawyerlady wrote:

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Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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Ah, you missed the whole point of what I said just so you could defend Lily.

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 You didn't actually have one except to blame Lily for all the ills of the church.

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 I did not blame Lily for all the ills of the world.  I am simply stating that the "fluff" is just as important as the other stuff.  If not more. 

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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I have heard Lily say time and again that the churches should not preach fluff or feel good messages. She has made it plain that she very much dislikes Joel Olsteen because he doesn't talk about sinning enough. My point is that if you ONLY talk about sinning, which I believe that Christians should talk about, you turn people away from god. The majority of the time, at least on this board, sin is being discussed. And how that sin will land the person in hell. My POINT, which I believe is a very valid one whether you agree or not, is that you cannot constantly talk about sin without talking about love, grace, mercy, forgiveness, and a whole other slew of things that ARE fluffy and feel good. And there is nothing wrong with talking about that aspect of god. You cannot attract sinners to god by telling them that their behavior is going to land them in hell. Whether you want to admit it or not people don't respond to that. So the message of god is good, loving, kind, caring, forgiving, and all those other things are NOT fluff and feel good. They play a major role in being a Christian. Or trying to be one. It is tiring hearing about how fluff and feel good messages are not necessary. Argue with me all day long but love is just as much a part of the Bible as sin. I mean, let's look at probably the most important verse in the Bible. Or at least the one most people know the best. John 3:16-For god so loved the world that he sent his only son so that we shall have everlasting life. Right there is the crux of Christianity. And it's all about love. It's all about feeling good because god loves us. Now before you say I don't think sin should be talked about go back and reread. I do. But when that becomes all you talk about things start going wrong.

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 Uh. No.

What I have said time and time again is that you can't JUST teach the one.

As for Olsteen, he is more a motivational speaker than a preacher. 

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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I have heard Lily say time and again that the churches should not preach fluff or feel good messages. She has made it plain that she very much dislikes Joel Olsteen because he doesn't talk about sinning enough. My point is that if you ONLY talk about sinning, which I believe that Christians should talk about, you turn people away from god. The majority of the time, at least on this board, sin is being discussed. And how that sin will land the person in hell. My POINT, which I believe is a very valid one whether you agree or not, is that you cannot constantly talk about sin without talking about love, grace, mercy, forgiveness, and a whole other slew of things that ARE fluffy and feel good. And there is nothing wrong with talking about that aspect of god. You cannot attract sinners to god by telling them that their behavior is going to land them in hell. Whether you want to admit it or not people don't respond to that. So the message of god is good, loving, kind, caring, forgiving, and all those other things are NOT fluff and feel good. They play a major role in being a Christian. Or trying to be one. It is tiring hearing about how fluff and feel good messages are not necessary. Argue with me all day long but love is just as much a part of the Bible as sin. I mean, let's look at probably the most important verse in the Bible. Or at least the one most people know the best. John 3:16-For god so loved the world that he sent his only son so that we shall have everlasting life. Right there is the crux of Christianity. And it's all about love. It's all about feeling good because god loves us. Now before you say I don't think sin should be talked about go back and reread. I do. But when that becomes all you talk about things start going wrong.

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That is VASTLY different than saying that the Christians on here are always damning people to hell. VASTLY different.  If you want to make a valid point--then don't state it the way you did in your first attempt. 

Beyond that, MANY posts on here do talk about sin.  If you want to start a forgiveness and love post, we could talk about that, as well.   

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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To quote, You can't just teach and live by the fluff alone...

My whole point is that the fluff is just as important as the other stuff. She says that's the milk of the Bible. The not so important part. Here's her second quote. You have to teach and live by the fire and brimstone as well.

That's the MEAT of the word.

My only point is that I very much disagree. That is what I have said from the first post I put here. I don't agree that one is more important than the other. In fact, if I had to say that one WAS more important I would say that the love of god is more important than the fire and brimstone. Because if you truly love god you will want to do right. Learning fire and brimstone alone will not give you the message of love.

But again, I don't know why you can't understand what I post. I have said over and over and over again, the fluff is just as important.

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 You are showing your complete ignorance on the subject.

The fluff, the milk, is the easy stuff. The stuff you need for building the foundation.  

The fire and brimstone, the meat, is the tougher to digest parts but you need to hear it to continue to grow.

You don't give a baby meat. You give them the milk till they are ready for the meat.

Neither is less or more important. They are equal.

lilyofcourse wrote:

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Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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To quote, You can't just teach and live by the fluff alone...

My whole point is that the fluff is just as important as the other stuff. She says that's the milk of the Bible. The not so important part. Here's her second quote. You have to teach and live by the fire and brimstone as well.

That's the MEAT of the word.

My only point is that I very much disagree. That is what I have said from the first post I put here. I don't agree that one is more important than the other. In fact, if I had to say that one WAS more important I would say that the love of god is more important than the fire and brimstone. Because if you truly love god you will want to do right. Learning fire and brimstone alone will not give you the message of love.

But again, I don't know why you can't understand what I post. I have said over and over and over again, the fluff is just as important.

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 You are showing your complete ignorance on the subject.

The fluff, the milk, is the easy stuff. The stuff you need for building the foundation.  

The fire and brimstone, the meat, is the tougher to digest parts but you need to hear it to continue to grow.

You don't give a baby meat. You give them the milk till they are ready for the meat.

Neither is less or more important. They are equal.

 

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You just want to argue.  Maybe you should use your terms more carefully.  Fluff by definition is something of no consequence.  And hell fire and brimstone have a definition too.  I am only using your own words when I read your posts.

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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To quote, You can't just teach and live by the fluff alone...

My whole point is that the fluff is just as important as the other stuff. She says that's the milk of the Bible. The not so important part. Here's her second quote. You have to teach and live by the fire and brimstone as well.

That's the MEAT of the word.

My only point is that I very much disagree. That is what I have said from the first post I put here. I don't agree that one is more important than the other. In fact, if I had to say that one WAS more important I would say that the love of god is more important than the fire and brimstone. Because if you truly love god you will want to do right. Learning fire and brimstone alone will not give you the message of love.

But again, I don't know why you can't understand what I post. I have said over and over and over again, the fluff is just as important.

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 You are showing your complete ignorance on the subject.

The fluff, the milk, is the easy stuff. The stuff you need for building the foundation.  

The fire and brimstone, the meat, is the tougher to digest parts but you need to hear it to continue to grow.

You don't give a baby meat. You give them the milk till they are ready for the meat.

Neither is less or more important. They are equal.

 

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You just want to argue.  Maybe you should use your terms more carefully.  Fluff by definition is something of no consequence.  And hell fire and brimstone have a definition too.  I am only using your own words when I read your posts.

 

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 No. I've been clear.

You are the one wanting to argue.

Still waiting for the post where I damned somebody to hell.

I just don't know why you would think I had the juice to do that.