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Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton called for a repeal of the US Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act's so-called Cadillac tax, marking a significant break from US President Barack Obama on his signature healthcare law.

 

"Too many Americans are struggling to meet the cost of rising deductibles and drug prices. That's why, among other steps, I encourage Congress to repeal the so-called Cadillac tax, which applies to some employer-based health plans, and to fully pay for the cost of repeal," Clinton said in a statement released Tuesday by her campaign.

Clinton's call to scrap the law puts her on the same page as Democratic presidential rival and US Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont). Sanders — who caucuses with Democrats in the Senate — and eight Democratic senators introduced legislation to repeal the tax, a 40% excise tax on employer plans whose premiums exceed $10,200 for individuals and $27,500 for families.

Democrats often argue the provision – which is generally disliked across the political spectrum and is highly unpopular with many unions whose support Clinton's campaign is courting — is more in reality a tax on most employer-sponsored health plans.

"Some have said that this tax only falls on 'Cadillac' healthcare plans, but the reality is that the plans this bill will tax are more like Chevrolets," Sanders said in a statement last week. "Workers have fought hard to negotiate decent healthcare benefits, often in exchange for lower pay. This excise tax unfairly punishes them."

For Clinton, the break stands to be part of a series of proposals in which she advocates for building on the law, colloquially known as Obamacare. Last week, for example, she introduced a plan to combat the rising cost of prescription drugs, and she took aim Monday at a pharmaceutical CEO whose company had jacked up the price of a popular drug by more than 5,000%.

Larry Levitt, senior vice president for special initiatives at the Kaiser Family Foundation, said Clinton's planned schism with the healthcare law would be "big." But he and other experts on the law suggested candidates would have to offer plans on how to make up a large chunk of expected revenue the tax would bring the government.

According to the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, the tax is expected to bring in $87 billion in revenue by 2025 and grow exponentially in the years that follow. It's why the tax counts among its fans many economists and deficit hawks.

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"It's premature to call it dead, though, since it's not at all clear there will be consensus around how to replace the substantial revenues the tax raises and how to constrain healthcare spending," Levitt told Business Insider.

Added Tim Jost, a professor at the Washington and Lee University School of Law and a supporter of the law: "Somebody still needs to figure out how to pay for a repeal. There is a lot of money involved."

In her statement, Clinton said her "reforms" to the law would "more than cover" the cost of repealing the Cadillac tax, but she did not offer further specifics.



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LOL

She's sinking in the poles, so this is a desperate measure.

I still will not vote for her.

Bengazi, e-mails, etc.

She can not shake her corruption.

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The Republican-led House Intelligence Committee sold out the United States' proud Benghazi truthers on Friday, when it released the results of a two-year investigation into the 2012 attack on the American diplomatic compound in Libya. According to the House panel, the U.S. military, the CIA, and the Obama administration responded "properly" to the assault, which left four Americans dead. In other words: There was no Benghazi scandal.

nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/11/gop-led-committee-cant-find-benghazi-conspiracy.html

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Again, Thank GOD, you dont have the right to vote in this country. The vast majority of people know that drivel is not true. Even the liberals (which is why her polling is abysmal ).

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Benghazi is being reopened because of the email scandal. There are emails that contradict her testamony. ..

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Again, Thank GOD, you dont have the right to vote in this country. The vast majority of people know that drivel is not true. Even the liberals (which is why her polling is abysmal ).


 That report came from the Conservatives, and they loathe her.



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I'm not buying a lot of things that come out of investigative committee's any more. Something doesn't sound right..

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Oh, and the (deleted) e-mails may shed further light on this matter in the future.

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Clinton's call to scrap the law puts her on the same page as Democratic presidential rival and US Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont). Sanders — who caucuses with Democrats in the Senate — and eight Democratic senators introduced legislation to repeal the tax, a 40% excise tax on employer plans whose premiums exceed $10,200 for individuals and $27,500 for families.

 

Bernie Sanders wants Universal Healthcare.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/bernie-sanders-renews-call-for-universal-healthcare-liberty-university

 

 



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weltschmerz wrote:

Clinton's call to scrap the law puts her on the same page as Democratic presidential rival and US Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont). Sanders — who caucuses with Democrats in the Senate — and eight Democratic senators introduced legislation to repeal the tax, a 40% excise tax on employer plans whose premiums exceed $10,200 for individuals and $27,500 for families.

 

Bernie Sanders wants Universal Healthcare.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/bernie-sanders-renews-call-for-universal-healthcare-liberty-university

 

 


Bernie Sanders is a known socialist. We do not want communism here. 



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again I am with Czech anjd OhFour


That's because you're smart. biggrin 



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just Czech wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:

Clinton's call to scrap the law puts her on the same page as Democratic presidential rival and US Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont). Sanders — who caucuses with Democrats in the Senate — and eight Democratic senators introduced legislation to repeal the tax, a 40% excise tax on employer plans whose premiums exceed $10,200 for individuals and $27,500 for families.

 

Bernie Sanders wants Universal Healthcare.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/bernie-sanders-renews-call-for-universal-healthcare-liberty-university

 

 


Bernie Sanders is a known socialist. We do not want communism here. 


Just out of curiousity...do you consider Canada socialist? Or is it communist? 



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weltschmerz wrote:
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Clinton's call to scrap the law puts her on the same page as Democratic presidential rival and US Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont). Sanders — who caucuses with Democrats in the Senate — and eight Democratic senators introduced legislation to repeal the tax, a 40% excise tax on employer plans whose premiums exceed $10,200 for individuals and $27,500 for families.

 

Bernie Sanders wants Universal Healthcare.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/bernie-sanders-renews-call-for-universal-healthcare-liberty-university

 

 


Bernie Sanders is a known socialist. We do not want communism here. 


Just out of curiousity...do you consider Canada socialist? Or is it communist? 


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lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
just Czech wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:

Clinton's call to scrap the law puts her on the same page as Democratic presidential rival and US Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont). Sanders — who caucuses with Democrats in the Senate — and eight Democratic senators introduced legislation to repeal the tax, a 40% excise tax on employer plans whose premiums exceed $10,200 for individuals and $27,500 for families.

 

Bernie Sanders wants Universal Healthcare.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/bernie-sanders-renews-call-for-universal-healthcare-liberty-university

 

 


Bernie Sanders is a known socialist. We do not want communism here. 


Just out of curiousity...do you consider Canada socialist? Or is it communist? 


 Non-coincidental.

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A pretty place where my favorite show is filmed.

Nothing more.


So you don't know. That's OK.  



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Socialism is NOT Communism.

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No. I'm saying it doesn't matter what Canada is.

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flan327 wrote:

Socialism is NOT Communism.

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Most people don't know that. They get the two confused all the time. 



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And it is socialist.

Which is adjacent to communism.

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My dil's friend who was raised in communist Bulgaria said that communisim and socialist are cousins. As for Canada I have to be honest, I do not know to much about your country to make a judgement. I do know here the more they (politicians) try to fix our healthcare the worse it becomes. I thought it was fine before Clinton tried to fix it when he was President. Now I cant go to the Dr. I had before and had to find a different DR.

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flan327 wrote:

Socialism is NOT Communism.

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 Communism is really just an extreme form of socialism.

 

However, most governments are not truly any ONE form of government.  We are a capitalist country, but have some socialist programs.  And our welfare system is actually leaning towards communism, since socialism would distribute weath based on contribution rather than need. 

So, if a capitalist country can have communist leanings, a socialist country is just that much closer.   

 

 



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My dil's friend who was raised in communist Bulgaria said that communisim and socialist are cousins. As for Canada I have to be honest, I do not know to much about your country to make a judgement. I do know here the more they (politicians) try to fix our healthcare the worse it becomes. I thought it was fine before Clinton tried to fix it when he was President. Now I cant go to the Dr. I had before and had to find a different DR.


Canada is a social democracy, as are most other countries which have universal healthcare. It's a very far cry from both socialism and communism. I lived in the USSR, behind the Iron Curtain, and trust me...a social democracy is nothing like that. We have very rich people and poor people. The government doesn't own everything, including all the means of production. Capitalism abounds here, as does private property and private businesses.

The government, however, tries to make sure nobody suffers unduly and healthcare is a human right.

 



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My dil's friend who was raised in communist Bulgaria said that communisim and socialist are cousins. As for Canada I have to be honest, I do not know to much about your country to make a judgement. I do know here the more they (politicians) try to fix our healthcare the worse it becomes. I thought it was fine before Clinton tried to fix it when he was President. Now I cant go to the Dr. I had before and had to find a different DR.


Canada is a social democracy, as are most other countries which have universal healthcare. It's a very far cry from both socialism and communism. I lived in the USSR, behind the Iron Curtain, and trust me...a social democracy is nothing like that. We have very rich people and poor people. The government doesn't own everything, including all the means of production. Capitalism abounds here, as does private property and private businesses.

The government, however, tries to make sure nobody suffers unduly and healthcare is a human right.

 


Keep telling yourself that. 20 to 30 years from now, when your government crumbles under the load of socialism, you will think differently.

Yes, socialism is a big move toward communism. Take from the rich, give it all to the poor and then make sure no one is rich. 



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That being said, many people hear the words "universal healthcare" and start flipping out.
"Communism! Communism!"

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My dil's friend who was raised in communist Bulgaria said that communisim and socialist are cousins. As for Canada I have to be honest, I do not know to much about your country to make a judgement. I do know here the more they (politicians) try to fix our healthcare the worse it becomes. I thought it was fine before Clinton tried to fix it when he was President. Now I cant go to the Dr. I had before and had to find a different DR.


Canada is a social democracy, as are most other countries which have universal healthcare. It's a very far cry from both socialism and communism. I lived in the USSR, behind the Iron Curtain, and trust me...a social democracy is nothing like that. We have very rich people and poor people. The government doesn't own everything, including all the means of production. Capitalism abounds here, as does private property and private businesses.

The government, however, tries to make sure nobody suffers unduly and healthcare is a human right.

 


Keep telling yourself that. 20 to 30 years from now, when your government crumbles under the load of socialism, you will think differently.

Yes, socialism is a big move toward communism. Take from the rich, give it all to the poor and then make sure no one is rich. 


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So, you haven't noticed how Greece, Spain, Portugal and Italy are crumbling under their socialistic systems?

Right.

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And it is socialist.

Which is adjacent to communism.


Lol! Canada isn't socialist. 



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You keep telling yourself that. Doesnt make it true.


You're adorable. Bless your heart!



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You keep telling yourself that. Doesnt make it true.


You're adorable. 


 Now THAT is the truth!!!! I am absolutely adorable...



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You keep telling yourself that. Doesnt make it true.


You're adorable. 


 Now THAT is the truth!!!! I am absolutely adorable...


Yes! YOU ARE!! 



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Ohfour wrote:
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You keep telling yourself that. Doesnt make it true.


You're adorable. 


 Now THAT is the truth!!!! I am absolutely adorable...


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LOL to all you that thing the GOP is floating these stories about Hillary, it's the Dem's. They don't want her but are placating her until they find a different candidate. She will not win the nomination. She even floated the birther thing with O in 2008 but that was blamed on the GOP. That was total Dem stuff. Do you people not understand how the current political system works? It is exactly why the likes of Trump, Sanders, and Fiorna are getting attention; because THEY ARE NOT PART OF THE CURRENT POLITICAL SYSTEM AND DON"T BUY INTO IT.

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weltschmerz wrote:
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And it is socialist.

Which is adjacent to communism.


Lol! Canada isn't socialist. 


 LOL yes it is, in a small way and moving closer!



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