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lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

RE: Shooting at a community college in Oregon

ed11563 · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
I actually only know 1 person who owns a gun, and I do not know anyone who was killed in a car accident. I do know 2 people who were killed in a plane crash though. It wasn't until we moved somewhere rural that we even knew anyone who had guns in their home. DD's old high school had a shooting team. But that was SO foreign to us.

No one in my family or my extended family owned a gun growing up. Once I was out of the house, my dad bought a gun and uses it only at the range. He keeps the gun unloaded in a cement block room in the basement with a steel door and a padlock. The bullets are kept in a safe, inside a lock box. No chance of anyone having an accident.
That is statistically very, very odd.
I know. The strange thing is, my parents don't know anyone who was killed in a car accident either. They didn't know the people killed in the plane crash. But we just don't know many people who were even IN a car accident beyond a simple fender bender.
My sister was killed by a hit and run driver. My older brother died in a car accident when he lost control of the car and hit a tree. My roommate from college died in a car accident when she had an asthma attack while driving. And those are just the people I was close to - there are more that I knew, just not well.

My 5th grade teacher was killed in a one-car accident when I was 10. He had a 1955 Pontiac, just like my parents' car.

This was pre-seatbelts.

when we moved into this house, our next door neighbor had a gun safe in his family room. I could see it from my yard. He had been a hunter, he had rifles and shotguns.

burns07 · Guru

Because I DO NOT THINK I am capable of killing another human being.
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an honest and rational response--unfortunately there are many, many others in the world who wouldn't hesitate for a second to take YOUR life (or mine)--viz this incident, for example--and i'm not talking combat, i'm referring to everyday life here in our little corner of the world

by remaining unarmed/untrained, you're taking the rather considerable risk that a) it can't happen to you or b) even if it does, i'll be able to rely on the law to handle things--THAT, to me personally, is a much greater risk than the possibility of having to kill someone else to defend your own life because if you're dead it won't matter

as we say around here, " better to be judged by twelve than carried by six. "

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Flan. Could you kill if someone was pointing a gun at your family?

Tinydancer · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Flan. Could you kill if someone was pointing a gun at your family?

Not even to save itty-bitty?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

If you were at that college as he was gunning people down and you could shoot him and stop him, would you?

Ohfour · Hooker

DDs husband goes to school during the day and works nights. (God love him). We pay for her security system and paid for her gun control training. We even bought her a gun shes comfortable with. Its totally worth it.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Ohfour wrote:
DDs husband goes to school during the day and works nights. (God love him). We pay for her security system and paid for her gun control training. We even bought her a gun shes comfortable with. Its totally worth it.

I appreciate what you are saying, but I don't understand it. I have never lived somewhere that I thought I needed a gun to be safe at night. Maybe she could have used the money to move to a safer neighborhood? Not trying to be snarky, just honestly curious.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Mellow Momma wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
DDs husband goes to school during the day and works nights. (God love him). We pay for her security system and paid for her gun control training. We even bought her a gun shes comfortable with. Its totally worth it.
I appreciate what you are saying, but I don't understand it. I have never lived somewhere that I thought I needed a gun to be safe at night. Maybe she could have used the money to move to a safer neighborhood? Not trying to be snarky, just honestly curious.

Safer places? Like college campuses and malls?

You know where there are security guards everywhere?

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

lilyofcourse wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
DDs husband goes to school during the day and works nights. (God love him). We pay for her security system and paid for her gun control training. We even bought her a gun shes comfortable with. Its totally worth it.
I appreciate what you are saying, but I don't understand it. I have never lived somewhere that I thought I needed a gun to be safe at night. Maybe she could have used the money to move to a safer neighborhood? Not trying to be snarky, just honestly curious.

Safer places? Like college campuses and malls?
You know where there are security guards everywhere?

Well I am of course assuming that O4's daughter doesn't live at the mall nor at a college. Sheesh.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I mean crap! MILITARY bases and recruiting centers have been targets of shooters.

Where on earth could be "safer" than those?

-- Edited by lilyofcourse on Sunday 4th of October 2015 09:25:43 PM

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Mass shootings are not the norm. They may seem like it, but they are not. Most violent crimes occur in neighborhoods steeped in drugs. The typical residential neighborhood is not likely to be the target of gun violence unless it is in what we would consider a "bad neighborhood".

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Mellow Momma wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
DDs husband goes to school during the day and works nights. (God love him). We pay for her security system and paid for her gun control training. We even bought her a gun shes comfortable with. Its totally worth it.
I appreciate what you are saying, but I don't understand it. I have never lived somewhere that I thought I needed a gun to be safe at night. Maybe she could have used the money to move to a safer neighborhood? Not trying to be snarky, just honestly curious.

No place is safe. We have one of the richest, nicest, gated communities not too far away, and an elderly couple was killed - the man beheaded (the head has never turned up), and the woman found in the lake a few days later. The crazies are everywhere, and everyone needs to be prepared.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

And every neighborhood has had some kind of criminal activity in it.

Break ins, vandalism, drugs. Even those nice gated communities.

Ohfour · Hooker

We live in one of the 10 richest and affluent counties in the United States. But her and my grandbabies safety is paramount.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Yeah.

Bad things can happen in any zip code.

Always good to be prepared.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

And around here, you also have to think about the coyotes and bears.

msrock · Guru

I don't have a gun and I don't need one. I don't care if you do. To each their own.

msrock · Guru

I do have a big, strong man. Very big. Very strong. lol.

huskerbb · Guru

msrock wrote:
I do have a big, strong man. Very big. Very strong. lol.

I'm willing to bet that many of those killed either in Oregon, or Colorade, or Virginia Tech, or elsewhere were MUCH stronger than the shooters. Not sure how you think that is in any way relevant.

msrock · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
msrock wrote:
I do have a big, strong man. Very big. Very strong. lol.
I'm willing to bet that many of those killed either in Oregon, or Colorade, or Virginia Tech, or elsewhere were MUCH stronger than the shooters. Not sure how you think that is in any way relevant.

It is if you want to come into my house. Trust me. We don't have that problem. We're not a school. We are homeowner's and people know better not to mess with us.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

msrock wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
msrock wrote:
I do have a big, strong man. Very big. Very strong. lol.
I'm willing to bet that many of those killed either in Oregon, or Colorade, or Virginia Tech, or elsewhere were MUCH stronger than the shooters. Not sure how you think that is in any way relevant.
It is if you want to come into my house. Trust me. We don't have that problem. We're not a school. We are homeowner's and people know better not to mess with us.

So you never leave the house?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

msrock wrote:
I do have a big, strong man. Very big. Very strong. lol.

I have 2 big strong guys here.

I also have a various assortment of weapons.

msrock · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
msrock wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
msrock wrote:
I do have a big, strong man. Very big. Very strong. lol.
I'm willing to bet that many of those killed either in Oregon, or Colorade, or Virginia Tech, or elsewhere were MUCH stronger than the shooters. Not sure how you think that is in any way relevant.
It is if you want to come into my house. Trust me. We don't have that problem. We're not a school. We are homeowner's and people know better not to mess with us.
So you never leave the house?

I leave the house all the time. In my parts, I worry more about running over a squirrel than I do some random killer. If I had I gun, I wouldn't even have the chance to use it. I can barely text. In my home, I feel safe.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I think that's the disconnect.

There are those who don't see the point in having them and then there are those who have always had them and they are use to them being there.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I am sure all of those students felt safe at their college too.

huskerbb · Guru

msrock wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
msrock wrote:
I do have a big, strong man. Very big. Very strong. lol.
I'm willing to bet that many of those killed either in Oregon, or Colorade, or Virginia Tech, or elsewhere were MUCH stronger than the shooters. Not sure how you think that is in any way relevant.
It is if you want to come into my house. Trust me. We don't have that problem. We're not a school. We are homeowner's and people know better not to mess with us.

That's absurd. If someone came with a gun, all the strength in the world is irrelevant.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Norhing happens. Until it does.

huskerbb · Guru

msrock wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
msrock wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
msrock wrote:
I do have a big, strong man. Very big. Very strong. lol.
I'm willing to bet that many of those killed either in Oregon, or Colorade, or Virginia Tech, or elsewhere were MUCH stronger than the shooters. Not sure how you think that is in any way relevant.
It is if you want to come into my house. Trust me. We don't have that problem. We're not a school. We are homeowner's and people know better not to mess with us.
So you never leave the house?
I leave the house all the time. In my parts, I worry more about running over a squirrel than I do some random killer. If I had I gun, I wouldn't even have the chance to use it. I can barely text. In my home, I feel safe.

So what? I feel safe in my home to. I feel perfectly safe when I go out. I went to a Mexican bar in Chula Vista for God's sakes and never had any problem. How is that in any way relevant to the conversation?

msrock · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
I think that's the disconnect.

There are those who don't see the point in having them and then there are those who have always had them and they are use to them being there.

If you feel better having them, then that's cool. I don't care either way. I don't have them and I personally don't feel I need them. I'm good either way. Just keep them out of the wrong hands. If you do own them... be responsible about it.

msrock · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
msrock wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
msrock wrote:
I do have a big, strong man. Very big. Very strong. lol.
I'm willing to bet that many of those killed either in Oregon, or Colorade, or Virginia Tech, or elsewhere were MUCH stronger than the shooters. Not sure how you think that is in any way relevant.
It is if you want to come into my house. Trust me. We don't have that problem. We're not a school. We are homeowner's and people know better not to mess with us.
That's absurd. If someone came with a gun, all the strength in the world is irrelevant.

You make me laugh. Thanks! I guess if they come with a gun... we're fvcked. lol! But if they came with a gun and we had one... chances are if we're sleeping we're dead anyway. lol! I love you guys.

huskerbb · Guru

msrock wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
msrock wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
msrock wrote:
I do have a big, strong man. Very big. Very strong. lol.
I'm willing to bet that many of those killed either in Oregon, or Colorade, or Virginia Tech, or elsewhere were MUCH stronger than the shooters. Not sure how you think that is in any way relevant.
It is if you want to come into my house. Trust me. We don't have that problem. We're not a school. We are homeowner's and people know better not to mess with us.
That's absurd. If someone came with a gun, all the strength in the world is irrelevant.
You make me laugh. Thanks! I guess if they come with a gun... we're fvcked. lol! But if they came with a gun and we had one... chances are if we're sleeping we're dead anyway. lol! I love you guys.

Why do you assume you would be sleeping? The students at Oregon were wide awake. A shooting could happen at a house as easily as a college.

msrock · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
msrock wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
msrock wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
msrock wrote:
I do have a big, strong man. Very big. Very strong. lol.
I'm willing to bet that many of those killed either in Oregon, or Colorade, or Virginia Tech, or elsewhere were MUCH stronger than the shooters. Not sure how you think that is in any way relevant.
It is if you want to come into my house. Trust me. We don't have that problem. We're not a school. We are homeowner's and people know better not to mess with us.
That's absurd. If someone came with a gun, all the strength in the world is irrelevant.
You make me laugh. Thanks! I guess if they come with a gun... we're fvcked. lol! But if they came with a gun and we had one... chances are if we're sleeping we're dead anyway. lol! I love you guys.
Why do you assume you would be sleeping? The students at Oregon were wide awake. A shooting could happen at a house as easily as a college.

Ok. So we're not sleeping. Don't know that having a gun would save me. When I have to get to it. My stored, locked up gun. Wouldn't help me either way. IF I had a gun.. it most likely wouldn't be at the ready so I would have to rely on my ninja, Hit girl skills... I got this!

huskerbb · Guru

msrock wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
msrock wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
msrock wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
msrock wrote:
I do have a big, strong man. Very big. Very strong. lol.
I'm willing to bet that many of those killed either in Oregon, or Colorade, or Virginia Tech, or elsewhere were MUCH stronger than the shooters. Not sure how you think that is in any way relevant.
It is if you want to come into my house. Trust me. We don't have that problem. We're not a school. We are homeowner's and people know better not to mess with us.
That's absurd. If someone came with a gun, all the strength in the world is irrelevant.
You make me laugh. Thanks! I guess if they come with a gun... we're fvcked. lol! But if they came with a gun and we had one... chances are if we're sleeping we're dead anyway. lol! I love you guys.
Why do you assume you would be sleeping? The students at Oregon were wide awake. A shooting could happen at a house as easily as a college.
Ok. So we're not sleeping. Don't know that having a gun would save me. When I have to get to it. My stored, locked up gun. Wouldn't help me either way. IF I had a gun.. it most likely wouldn't be at the ready so I would have to rely on my ninja, Hit girl skills... I got this!

Well, yeah, in that case it would do no good. Not sure why you would do that, but whatever.

huskerbb · Guru

But being "strong" is still irrelevant to the issue at hand.

msrock · Guru

Being strong is everything. It's not irrelevant. I'm very tiny, but I'm very strong. I'm a mother... and I will fight forever to stay alive so my kids can enjoy me! lol. I won't go down easy. No joke.

huskerbb · Guru

msrock wrote:
Being strong is everything. It's not irrelevant. I'm very tiny, but I'm very strong. I'm a mother... and I will fight forever to stay alive so my kids can enjoy me! lol. I won't go down easy. No joke.

That has NOTHING whatsoever to do with the subject we are discussing. It is irrelevant.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Yeah what does that have to do with having a gun pointed at you?

ed11563 · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
msrock wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
msrock wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
msrock wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
msrock wrote:
I do have a big, strong man. Very big. Very strong. lol.
I'm willing to bet that many of those killed either in Oregon, or Colorade, or Virginia Tech, or elsewhere were MUCH stronger than the shooters. Not sure how you think that is in any way relevant.
It is if you want to come into my house. Trust me. We don't have that problem. We're not a school. We are homeowner's and people know better not to mess with us.
That's absurd. If someone came with a gun, all the strength in the world is irrelevant.
You make me laugh. Thanks! I guess if they come with a gun... we're fvcked. lol! But if they came with a gun and we had one... chances are if we're sleeping we're dead anyway. lol! I love you guys.
Why do you assume you would be sleeping? The students at Oregon were wide awake. A shooting could happen at a house as easily as a college.
Ok. So we're not sleeping. Don't know that having a gun would save me. When I have to get to it. My stored, locked up gun. Wouldn't help me either way. IF I had a gun.. it most likely wouldn't be at the ready so I would have to rely on my ninja, Hit girl skills... I got this!
Well, yeah, in that case it would do no good. Not sure why you would do that, but whatever.

One of my cousins told me about her guns.

She and her husband have several pistols, all loaded and easily accessible. All have trigger locks, so the kids can't fire them.

The trigger locks all take the same key, and there are only two keys. She has one on a chain around her neck, her husband has the other key on a chain.

If someone was breaking in, they could have a loaded gun, ready to fire, in less than 30 seconds, no matter where they were in the house.

The sole purpose of having their guns is ...

wait for it ...

self defense.

So they have to be ready.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Never had trigger locks on a gun, ever.

They have always been either in the closet or a drawer.

Rounds or shells kept in a box beside them.

They were just always there.

huskerbb · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Never had trigger locks on a gun, ever.

They have always been either in the closet or a drawer.

Rounds or shells kept in a box beside them.

They were just always there.

Me, either. My kids knew better than to mess with them.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

We knew how to use them. Knew how to load them and with what.

Knew which ones we needed a tree behind us when we shot it.

The .22 rifle was the one we took into the woods and fields with us.

There was never any thought about if we should have them or not.

We just did.

-- Edited by lilyofcourse on Monday 5th of October 2015 01:42:28 PM

Riding · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
If we don't need guns, then let the White House take the lead. Remove all guns from Secret Service surrounding the President and his family. Until then Mr. President, MY family is every bit as important as yours.

EXACTLY!

He stands surrounded by armed men and women and yet wants to BAN guns...okayyyy start with those surrounding HIM and his family. Then we will see how he feels about banning guns, when only the *bad* guys have guns and use them...

excuse me it just pisses me off! He needs to put his MONEY where his big mouth is

Riding · Guru

flan327 wrote:
I cannot imagine EVER buying a gun.

flan

and there is nothing at all wrong with that, you choosing to NOT buy or own a weapon, it doesn't not bother or offend me.

so why does MY wanting to buy and own a weapon so wrong or feather fluffling to you and not just YOU YOU, but YOU in the general way.

Riding · Guru

flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
I cannot imagine EVER buying a gun.

flan
And I can't understand that mindset. What is the big deal? People talk like owning a gun is some huge thing to get all worked up about. It's not any more of a big deal than owning a car or a TV.
Because TV's kill you all the time...
flan

GUNS do not kill....people kill people...yes maybe they use a gun, maybe a knife, maybe a hammer, maybe a car...should all of those things be banned because someone *might* use them to kill someone?

msrock · Guru

Ugh. What do you think about this? cry

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/boy-11-accused-of-killing-8-year-old-neighbor-with-shotgun/ar-AAf8sfs?ocid=iehp

Tinydancer · Guru

So if he had stabbed her instead you'd say ban all knives? Again the logic of blaming an inanimate object when it is obvious it's the PERSON using it just makes no sense.

msrock · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:
So if he had stabbed her instead you'd say ban all knives? Again the logic of blaming an inanimate object when it is obvious it's the PERSON using it just makes no sense.

I didn't say ban anything. I asked what you thought. Sheesh. Calm down.

Ohfour · Hooker

I think it's a shame. But what is your solution? Should no one be able to hunt anymore?

Tinydancer · Guru

msrock wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
So if he had stabbed her instead you'd say ban all knives? Again the logic of blaming an inanimate object when it is obvious it's the PERSON using it just makes no sense.
I didn't say ban anything. I asked what you thought. Sheesh. Calm down.

I was speaking in general so I think you might want to calm down. Sheesh.