TOTALLY GEEKED!

Tinydancer · Guru

RE: The first two dear Prudie letters from Tuesday are doozies...

MyNameIsJoe · Member

There are many Christians who advocate for and have had an abortion. This isn't new. Let me grab some statistics.

MyNameIsJoe · Member

What proportion of U.S. women obtaining abortions are religious?
Answer
More than seven in 10 U.S. women obtaining an abortion report a religious affiliation (37% protestant, 28% Catholic and 7% other), and 25% attend religious services at least once a month.[38] The abortion rate for protestant women is 15 per 1,000 women, while Catholic women have a slightly higher rate, 22 per 1,000.[32]

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

OK and what exactly? What the human beings, even religious ones choose to do, has no bearing on what is Right or Wrong in the Bible. Yes, Christians sin as well. No question.

Ohfour · Hooker

Meh, there are a lot of people that call themselves Christians. Doesn't mean they are...

Tinydancer · Guru

Just because someone claims to be religious doesn't mean they are. That's between them and God and he'll know their hearts. Even if I wasn't a Christian I'd be confident in saying that killing a baby is wrong. So now argue with me about how it's not really a baby yet.

-- Edited by Tinydancer on Thursday 8th of October 2015 01:25:12 PM

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I would assume that anyone who is a human being would actually understand that. However, we see that some human beings are capable of great evil.

MyNameIsJoe · Member

Are you suggesting that people who abort aren't Christians? If they've accepted Christ as their savior, they are going to be sitting with God. End. Of. Story.

We'll be in heaven with abortionists, murderers and thieves. I dare you to question His grace and forgiveness. The stones you're throwing will be reviewed and he will be gracious in his forgiveness as he will forgive all sinners who believe Jesus died for their sins.

Ohfour · Hooker

Are you suggesting that people who abort aren't Christians

Yep.

Tinydancer · Guru

You must ask forgiveness for your sins. If you don't believe killing your own child is a sin you're (general you) not really repenting. I'd love to be your kind of Christian though where no matter what you do you just automatically receive God's forgiveness. What brand of Christianity is that pray tell?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Yes, there are people who claim to be Christians to whom Christ will say "Depart from Me, I do not know you". And, yes, there are Christians who have fallen into sin as well. King David was a man of God who was an adulterer and murderer. So, yes Christians are flawed human beings.

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

MyNameIsJoe wrote:
Are you suggesting that people who abort aren't Christians? If they've accepted Christ as their savior, they are going to be sitting with God. End. Of. Story.

We'll be in heaven with abortionists, murderers and thieves. I dare you to question His grace and forgiveness. The stones you're throwing will be reviewed and he will be gracious in his forgiveness as he will forgive all sinners who believe Jesus died for their sins.

And child rapists. I knew a devout Christian that had, years previously, gone to jail for raping little boys, the oldest was eight.

But hey, God forgives everyone. I feel like heaven is an extremely awkward place.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Ohfour wrote:

Are you suggesting that people who abort aren't Christians

Yep.

I disagree 04. I think that the Abortion industry really preys on vulnerable young woman. And it is easy to sway and influence them to do the wrong thing. Christian women have had abortions.

Tinydancer · Guru

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
MyNameIsJoe wrote:
Are you suggesting that people who abort aren't Christians? If they've accepted Christ as their savior, they are going to be sitting with God. End. Of. Story.

We'll be in heaven with abortionists, murderers and thieves. I dare you to question His grace and forgiveness. The stones you're throwing will be reviewed and he will be gracious in his forgiveness as he will forgive all sinners who believe Jesus died for their sins.
And child rapists. I knew a devout Christian that had, years previously, gone to jail for raping little boys, the oldest was eight.
But hey, God forgives everyone. I feel like heaven is an extremely awkward place.

Sorry. You both have that wrong. God forgives those who REPENT. Very convenient to forget that fact when it doesn't help your argument.

MyNameIsJoe · Member

Tinydancer wrote:
You must ask forgiveness for your sins. If you don't believe killing your own child is a sin you're (general you) not really repenting. I'd love to be your kind of Christian though where no matter what you do you just automatically receive God's forgiveness. What brand of Christianity is that pray tell?

No where did I say automatically. But yes, when you receive Jesus into your heart, you are forgiven.

Many people view Christianity as attending church, performing rituals, and/or not committing certain sins.

That is not Christianity. True Christianity is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Accepting Jesus as your personal Savior means placing your own personal faith and trust in Him. No one is saved by the faith of others. No one is forgiven by doing certain deeds. The only way to be saved is to personally accept Jesus as your Savior, trusting in His death as the payment for your sins and His resurrection as your guarantee of eternal life (John 3:16).

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

MyNameIsJoe wrote:

Tinydancer wrote:
You must ask forgiveness for your sins. If you don't believe killing your own child is a sin you're (general you) not really repenting. I'd love to be your kind of Christian though where no matter what you do you just automatically receive God's forgiveness. What brand of Christianity is that pray tell?
No where did I say automatically. But yes, when you receive Jesus into your heart, you are forgiven.

Many people view Christianity as attending church, performing rituals, and/or not committing certain sins.
That is not Christianity. True Christianity is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Accepting Jesus as your personal Savior means placing your own personal faith and trust in Him. No one is saved by the faith of others. No one is forgiven by doing certain deeds. The only way to be saved is to personally accept Jesus as your Savior, trusting in His death as the payment for your sins and His resurrection as your guarantee of eternal life (John 3:16).

It's called REPENTENCE. Repent and "sin No More".

huskerbb · Guru

MyNameIsJoe wrote:
Are you suggesting that people who abort aren't Christians? If they've accepted Christ as their savior, they are going to be sitting with God. End. Of. Story.

We'll be in heaven with abortionists, murderers and thieves. I dare you to question His grace and forgiveness. The stones you're throwing will be reviewed and he will be gracious in his forgiveness as he will forgive all sinners who believe Jesus died for their sins.

If they repent of their sins, of course. If, however, you dont think what you are doing is even a sin, then you won't repent of it.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Yeah, I think we all know John 3:16 soooo if you think you are going to impress us with your Copy and Paste skills, you aren't.

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

Tinydancer wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
MyNameIsJoe wrote:
Are you suggesting that people who abort aren't Christians? If they've accepted Christ as their savior, they are going to be sitting with God. End. Of. Story.

We'll be in heaven with abortionists, murderers and thieves. I dare you to question His grace and forgiveness. The stones you're throwing will be reviewed and he will be gracious in his forgiveness as he will forgive all sinners who believe Jesus died for their sins.
And child rapists. I knew a devout Christian that had, years previously, gone to jail for raping little boys, the oldest was eight.
But hey, God forgives everyone. I feel like heaven is an extremely awkward place.
Sorry. You both have that wrong. God forgives those who REPENT. Very convenient to forget that fact when it doesn't help your argument.

Well, he had repented, and asked forgiveness, and as far as I know was no longer raping little boys.

I always think of him when people say a child molester will rot in hell. Well, no, not necessarily. He could just apologize to God and move on with his life, live in a nice house and work in a nightclub.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

MyNameIsJoe wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Yes LGS is very charming. Not finding you very charming though.
Do not feed....
Cleverly trying to walk the line. You've called me a clown and implied I'm a troll. Are you immune to the rules? Let's see how lady justice decides.

Just wait...it gets even better!

flan

MyNameIsJoe · Member

That's not true. I am forgiven. I am going to be sitting at the right hand of God.

Nearly all Christians agree that repentance and forgiveness of others are key elements of forgiveness, and that forgiveness comes from God. However, there are some doctrinal differences about the process of forgiveness.

Catholic Doctrine
Jesus had the power to forgive sins (Matthew 9:2, Luke 5:20). Jesus granted that authority also to His apostles (Matthew 16:18-19, Matthew 18:18, John 20:22-23). In Catholic doctrine, that authority is now vested in the Church through the bishops as successors of the apostles. The Church exercises that authority to forgive sins, through its bishops and priests, in the sacrament of Reconciliation (also known as confession or the sacrament of Penance). A sinner confesses his or her sins to the priest who assigns a penance (often some prayers to recite) and grants forgiveness and reconciliation with the Church "in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit." The sacrament of Reconciliation is practiced in Catholic and Orthodox churches, although some other Christian churches also have rites of individual confession.

Protestant Doctrine
Severe penances, such as fasts, pilgrimages and floggings, were often imposed in early Church history. In the Middle Ages, the Roman Church fell into the corrupt practice of selling "indulgences" to reduce the severity of such penances in exchange for monetary contributions to the Church. This was a major factor leading to the Protestant Reformation in the 16th century. Protestants rejected the Roman Catholic Church's sacrament of Penance, its claims of apostolic succession, and its authority to mediate forgiveness of sins (1 Timothy 2:5). Authority on doctrine was placed in "Scripture alone" rather than in the Church. For most Protestants, the Church is instrumental in bringing people to repentance, but forgiveness of sins comes directly from God.

Forgiving Oneself
Many people find they still feel guilty and unworthy, even after completing the steps required for God's forgiveness. However, there is no need to feel that way; the Bible assures us that God does not hold our forgiven sins against us (Luke 15:7, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, Hebrews 10:15-22). Of course, some sins against other people cannot be undone, and that is reason enough for extra resolve not to repeat the sin. However, there is no need to keep hating oneself. Instead, we can view it as a learning experience and an incentive to do good in the future instead of evil.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I don't know the eternal fate of anyone. Only God does. So, it isn't for me to say "oh this one goes to Heaven and that one doesnt'. We don't know the inner soul and mind of another human being so I am not going to make pronouncements on anyone's eternal fate because I do NOT know. I think we will be surprised by who we think made it and who didn't and vice versa. Some or all of us might not make it. I don't know. The only guidebook is the Bible. That's it. YOu can choose to follow God's Will to the extent that you can or not. YOu can choose to love Jesus or not. The rest, I don't know.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

MyNameIsJoe wrote:

That's not true. I am forgiven. I am going to be sitting at the right hand of God.

Nearly all Christians agree that repentance and forgiveness of others are key elements of forgiveness, and that forgiveness comes from God. However, there are some doctrinal differences about the process of forgiveness.

Catholic Doctrine

Jesus had the power to forgive sins (Matthew 9:2, Luke 5:20). Jesus granted that authority also to His apostles (Matthew 16:18-19, Matthew 18:18, John 20:22-23). In Catholic doctrine, that authority is now vested in the Church through the bishops as successors of the apostles. The Church exercises that authority to forgive sins, through its bishops and priests, in the sacrament of Reconciliation (also known as confession or the sacrament of Penance). A sinner confesses his or her sins to the priest who assigns a penance (often some prayers to recite) and grants forgiveness and reconciliation with the Church "in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit." The sacrament of Reconciliation is practiced in Catholic and Orthodox churches, although some other Christian churches also have rites of individual confession.

Protestant Doctrine

Severe penances, such as fasts, pilgrimages and floggings, were often imposed in early Church history. In the Middle Ages, the Roman Church fell into the corrupt practice of selling "indulgences" to reduce the severity of such penances in exchange for monetary contributions to the Church. This was a major factor leading to the Protestant Reformation in the 16th century. Protestants rejected the Roman Catholic Church's sacrament of Penance, its claims of apostolic succession, and its authority to mediate forgiveness of sins (1 Timothy 2:5). Authority on doctrine was placed in "Scripture alone" rather than in the Church. For most Protestants, the Church is instrumental in bringing people to repentance, but forgiveness of sins comes directly from God.

Forgiving Oneself

Many people find they still feel guilty and unworthy, even after completing the steps required for God's forgiveness. However, there is no need to feel that way; the Bible assures us that God does not hold our forgiven sins against us (Luke 15:7, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, Hebrews 10:15-22). Of course, some sins against other people cannot be undone, and that is reason enough for extra resolve not to repeat the sin. However, there is no need to keep hating oneself. Instead, we can view it as a learning experience and an incentive to do good in the future instead of evil.

Oooh, we discuss Wesleyan philosophy. Calvinism and Arminianism!

Tinydancer · Guru

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
MyNameIsJoe wrote:
Are you suggesting that people who abort aren't Christians? If they've accepted Christ as their savior, they are going to be sitting with God. End. Of. Story.

We'll be in heaven with abortionists, murderers and thieves. I dare you to question His grace and forgiveness. The stones you're throwing will be reviewed and he will be gracious in his forgiveness as he will forgive all sinners who believe Jesus died for their sins.
And child rapists. I knew a devout Christian that had, years previously, gone to jail for raping little boys, the oldest was eight.
But hey, God forgives everyone. I feel like heaven is an extremely awkward place.
Sorry. You both have that wrong. God forgives those who REPENT. Very convenient to forget that fact when it doesn't help your argument.
Well, he had repented, and asked forgiveness, and as far as I know was no longer raping little boys.
I always think of him when people say a child molester will rot in hell. Well, no, not necessarily. He could just apologize to God and move on with his life, live in a nice house and work in a nightclub.

Well if he did and God saw that he meant it in his heart he may make it to heaven. Saying the words "I repent" unless you mean it won't sway God.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I am starting to wonder where Tosh is?

MyNameIsJoe · Member

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
MyNameIsJoe wrote:

That's not true. I am forgiven. I am going to be sitting at the right hand of God.

Nearly all Christians agree that repentance and forgiveness of others are key elements of forgiveness, and that forgiveness comes from God. However, there are some doctrinal differences about the process of forgiveness.

Catholic Doctrine

Jesus had the power to forgive sins (Matthew 9:2, Luke 5:20). Jesus granted that authority also to His apostles (Matthew 16:18-19, Matthew 18:18, John 20:22-23). In Catholic doctrine, that authority is now vested in the Church through the bishops as successors of the apostles. The Church exercises that authority to forgive sins, through its bishops and priests, in the sacrament of Reconciliation (also known as confession or the sacrament of Penance). A sinner confesses his or her sins to the priest who assigns a penance (often some prayers to recite) and grants forgiveness and reconciliation with the Church "in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit." The sacrament of Reconciliation is practiced in Catholic and Orthodox churches, although some other Christian churches also have rites of individual confession.

Protestant Doctrine

Severe penances, such as fasts, pilgrimages and floggings, were often imposed in early Church history. In the Middle Ages, the Roman Church fell into the corrupt practice of selling "indulgences" to reduce the severity of such penances in exchange for monetary contributions to the Church. This was a major factor leading to the Protestant Reformation in the 16th century. Protestants rejected the Roman Catholic Church's sacrament of Penance, its claims of apostolic succession, and its authority to mediate forgiveness of sins (1 Timothy 2:5). Authority on doctrine was placed in "Scripture alone" rather than in the Church. For most Protestants, the Church is instrumental in bringing people to repentance, but forgiveness of sins comes directly from God.

Forgiving Oneself

Many people find they still feel guilty and unworthy, even after completing the steps required for God's forgiveness. However, there is no need to feel that way; the Bible assures us that God does not hold our forgiven sins against us (Luke 15:7, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, Hebrews 10:15-22). Of course, some sins against other people cannot be undone, and that is reason enough for extra resolve not to repeat the sin. However, there is no need to keep hating oneself. Instead, we can view it as a learning experience and an incentive to do good in the future instead of evil.

Oooh, we discuss Wesleyan philosophy. Calvinism and Arminianism!

I like you.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Of course you do. Everyone does!

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Of course you do. Everyone does!

Only on alternate Thursdays...

evileye

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

MyNameIsJoe wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
What do you mean "of course"? Prove it.
Blasphemy! Prove he doesn't.

Wasn't it you who, just last week, was calling me illogical for asking you to prove God doesn't exist?