TOTALLY GEEKED!

Are we going to start with this nonsense? Did I say "all"? The general principles of the Liberal Left are the general principles of the Liberal Left which is marching roughshod over America. That's what I am talking about. If you don't subscribe to their general dogma, then bully for you but as a GROUP with group influence and their politics, they are destroying this nation.

Two clear principles are shown to us in the Bible:

1. Prayer is ordinarily directed to the Father.

Jesus teaches us to pray to the Father

When his disciples asked Jesus to teach them how to pray, this is how he instructed them, “When you pray, say: ‘Father…’” (Luke 11:1-2). In prayer, we are to address God the Father. This is to be the norm; it is the pattern Jesus gives us to follow. In giving this instruction Jesus is not forbidding prayer directed at other persons of the Trinity, he is showing us that prayer will ordinarily be directed to God the Father.

This is a sentiment reflected by Paul. He writes to the Ephesian Christians of how, “Through [Jesus] we… have access to the Father by the one Spirit” (Eph. 2:18). This is the posture of the whole Christian life, and the pattern for our praying: by the Spirit, through the Son and to the Father.

The Spirit moves us to pray to the Father

As Paul explains the role of the Holy Spirit in the life of the believer, one of the things he emphasizes is how the Spirit gives us confidence to approach God in prayer. In fact it is by the Spirit that we cry, “Abba, Father” (Galatians 4:6; Rom 8:15). This is not incidental. Jesus himself cried out these same words in his own prayer (Mark 14:36). The Spirit is moving Christians to address Father in the same language that God the Son uses. Prayer is a way of expressing the sonship we have through Jesus.

This is the normative shape of prayer and reflects the shape of the relationships within the Trinity: the Son lives by the Spirit to the Father. As we pray, we come in through Jesus into this eternal and happy dynamic.

2. Prayer should also be directed to the Son.

Yet for all this, the New Testament does not prohibit prayer being directed to Jesus (or to the Spirit). In fact there are a number of examples of people praying directly to Jesus.
• In Acts, as Stephen is being killed he prays, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit” (Acts 7:59).
• The penultimate verse in the Bible is a prayer to Jesus: “Amen. Come, Lord Jesus” (Rev 22:20).
• The apostle Paul himself prayed to “the Lord” on occasion (see 2 Cor 12:8, a title Paul frequently applied to Jesus).

Examples like this give us a precedent for doing the same – it is good, right, and proper to pray to Jesus. (There are no examples of praying directly to the Spirit, but we can assume this too is not forbidden.)

Given the biblical precedent of praying to Jesus, and considering all that Jesus is to mean to his followers, it would be odd for a Christian never to pray to Jesus. In this sense we should pray to him; it should be natural to cry out to him in adoration for all he has done, and for help to follow in his footsteps. But we can also see that prayer should not always be directed to him. Jesus himself teaches us to pray to the Father.
www.jesus.org/is-jesus-god/holy-trinity/should-we-pray-to-jesus.html

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Two clear principles are shown to us in the Bible:

1. Prayer is ordinarily directed to the Father.

Jesus teaches us to pray to the Father

When his disciples asked Jesus to teach them how to pray, this is how he instructed them, “When you pray, say: ‘Father…’” (Luke 11:1-2). In prayer, we are to address God the Father. This is to be the norm; it is the pattern Jesus gives us to follow. In giving this instruction Jesus is not forbidding prayer directed at other persons of the Trinity, he is showing us that prayer will ordinarily be directed to God the Father.

This is a sentiment reflected by Paul. He writes to the Ephesian Christians of how, “Through [Jesus] we… have access to the Father by the one Spirit” (Eph. 2:18). This is the posture of the whole Christian life, and the pattern for our praying: by the Spirit, through the Son and to the Father.

The Spirit moves us to pray to the Father

As Paul explains the role of the Holy Spirit in the life of the believer, one of the things he emphasizes is how the Spirit gives us confidence to approach God in prayer. In fact it is by the Spirit that we cry, “Abba, Father” (Galatians 4:6; Rom 8:15). This is not incidental. Jesus himself cried out these same words in his own prayer (Mark 14:36). The Spirit is moving Christians to address Father in the same language that God the Son uses. Prayer is a way of expressing the sonship we have through Jesus.

This is the normative shape of prayer and reflects the shape of the relationships within the Trinity: the Son lives by the Spirit to the Father. As we pray, we come in through Jesus into this eternal and happy dynamic.

2. Prayer should also be directed to the Son.

Yet for all this, the New Testament does not prohibit prayer being directed to Jesus (or to the Spirit). In fact there are a number of examples of people praying directly to Jesus.
• In Acts, as Stephen is being killed he prays, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit” (Acts 7:59).
• The penultimate verse in the Bible is a prayer to Jesus: “Amen. Come, Lord Jesus” (Rev 22:20).
• The apostle Paul himself prayed to “the Lord” on occasion (see 2 Cor 12:8, a title Paul frequently applied to Jesus).

Examples like this give us a precedent for doing the same – it is good, right, and proper to pray to Jesus. (There are no examples of praying directly to the Spirit, but we can assume this too is not forbidden.)

Given the biblical precedent of praying to Jesus, and considering all that Jesus is to mean to his followers, it would be odd for a Christian never to pray to Jesus. In this sense we should pray to him; it should be natural to cry out to him in adoration for all he has done, and for help to follow in his footsteps. But we can also see that prayer should not always be directed to him. Jesus himself teaches us to pray to the Father.
www.jesus.org/is-jesus-god/holy-trinity/should-we-pray-to-jesus.html

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exactly what I've been saying.  christians pray to Jesus. 

This thread is schizophrenic!

flan

flan327 wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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No. Conservatives can think for themselves and don't have to conform to the liberal mantra.

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 Hilarious, because I don't "conform" to any mantra.

flan

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Sure you do.  You are anti gun.  You are pro gay marriage.  You are for restricting rights of people that you don't agree with.  You are pro abortion.

That's the top 4 of the liberal mantra.  You fall lock step with every one of those... 

Ohfour wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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No. Conservatives can think for themselves and don't have to conform to the liberal mantra.

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 Hilarious, because I don't "conform" to any mantra.

flan

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Sure you do.  You are anti gun.  You are pro gay marriage.  You are for restricting rights of people that you don't agree with.  You are pro abortion.

That's the top 4 of the liberal mantra.  You fall lock step with every one of those... 

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 1. I'm NOT anti-gun. Wanting stricter laws is different.

2. Yes, I believe that homosexuals have the right to marry because you don't choose your sexual orientation.

3. Too vague.

4. Yes, with limits.

No one FORCES me to believe what I believe.

flan

It's not an opinion. It is A verifiable fact. I suggest you do some reading on the founding fathers. I have a book at home I can recommend.
- huskerbb

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I have done some research on the Founding Fathers. The founding of our nation (the times, the battles, the people, the documents) is an interest of mine. I've read many books about them. The general consensus of those books is that many of them were Deists.

We may not know anyone's particular beliefs. We can know, however, membership in an organization, and with few exceptions, they were members of that church body.

ed11563 wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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We may not know anyone's particular beliefs. We can know, however, membership in an organization, and with few exceptions, they were members of that church body.

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Irrelevant. 

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 How so?  Both their beliefs and their affiliations are absolutely relevant.

ed11563 wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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ed11563 wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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We may not know anyone's particular beliefs. We can know, however, membership in an organization, and with few exceptions, they were members of that church body.

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Irrelevant. 

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 How so?  Both their beliefs and their affiliations are absolutely relevant.

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Well, since Husker says the United States is a Christian nation, I'd better move to Canada. 

 

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 If you don't think you can get along with people of other faiths, maybe so.

lilyofcourse wrote:

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Ed, you have a lot of pent up anger and hate for Christians.

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Only when people tell me and my children that we're going to burn in the fires of Hell forever because we don't follow the teachings of their church. 

 

WYSIWYG wrote:

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We may not know anyone's particular beliefs. We can know, however, membership in an organization, and with few exceptions, they were members of that church body.
- huskerbb

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Is that a "no" to my offer of "agree to disagree"? I'm taking it as a "no".

We can know their memberships. We can also know their recorded writings. With few exceptions, their memberships and writings lead to the conclusion that they were Deists, according to most sources I have come across. The remaining sources that were exceptions that I have seen did not elaborate.

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 That is revisionist history of people drawing a "conclusion" as to what someone believed.  it is subjective.

whether they were members of a church body is empirical evidence.

huskerbb wrote:

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ed11563 wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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Ed, you have a lot of pent up anger and hate for Christians.

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Only when people tell me and my children that we're going to burn in the fires of Hell forever because we don't follow the teachings of their church. 

 

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 What do you care?  Muslims believe I'm going to hell.  So what?  or aren't you confident in what you believe?

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 He's talking about his KIDS as well.

flan

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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I saw a sign the other day. I can't remember what it said word for word but it basically said that if someone telling you about their religion causes such a problem for your religion your belief wasn't as strong as you claim it was.

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 Interesting...but I guess, for me, it would depend on whether I actually wanted to hear about someone's religion.

flan

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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I saw a sign the other day. I can't remember what it said word for word but it basically said that if someone telling you about their religion causes such a problem for your religion your belief wasn't as strong as you claim it was.

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 Interesting...but I guess, for me, it would depend on whether I actually wanted to hear about someone's religion.

flan

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 It made me realize that people (like on this board for example) can spout off whatever they believe in and it doesn't matter for me.  I don't have to prove what I believe or don't believe.  I live my life with my beliefs and if someone wants to talk to me about their religion that's fine.

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 Oh, that makes sense, because I choose to post here.

I was thinking of JW's knocking on my door.

flan

I have NEVER had a JW be rude. EVER.

ed11563 wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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I have NEVER had a JW be rude. EVER.

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Me too. Except for the fact that they went after my little kids in the back yard once and told them they were going to burn in the fires of Hell for Eternity.

Was that rude?

 

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 If they did that, I'd have turned the hose on them.

Lawyerlady wrote:

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I have NEVER had a JW be rude. EVER.

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 Me either.  NEVER.  The worst they've ever done is keep talking when I'm trying to shut the door.

Lawyerlady wrote:

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I have NEVER had a JW be rude. EVER.

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 So what? It's MY house & I didn't invite them.

flan

burns07 wrote:

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have never had them be rude to us either--we are always polite to them as well--eventhough we may disagree in principle with them we still respect their dedication and conviction ( and their freedom to exercise both )

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 I know, right?  If only I had their gumption. They always make me feel guilty...

My thing is the bitterness. Geesh people - you live in a society with differing beliefs. GET OVER IT, already. How long you going to nurse a grudge?

flan327 wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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I have NEVER had a JW be rude. EVER.

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 So what? It's MY house & I didn't invite them.

flan

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 It's your front door.  Are they letting themselves in? 

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 I have had them knock for a solid FIVE minutes, until I opened my front window & told them to go away.

flan

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 And then did they go away?

flan327 wrote:

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What is your point?

Who knocks that long?

flan

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Must be a regional thing.  I've never heard of that.  Usually a couple of knocks and that's it...

They are REALLY REALLY nice here... 

flan327 wrote:

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What is your point?

Who knocks that long?

flan

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 People who know you are home and wonder if you are in the bathroom and didn't hear them.