TOTALLY GEEKED!

Tinydancer · Guru

RE: America has never been a 'Christian' nation. Kim Davis picked the wrong issue

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
What is your point?

Who knocks that long?

flan
People who know you are home and wonder if you are in the bathroom and didn't hear them.
If I did not invite you to my house, chances are I won't answer the door.
What if DH and I were gettin' jiggy?
flan

That's sad to me. We have people drop in all the time. I welcome it!

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Okay, ohfour, I should have said, "If you're a stranger..."

I'd absolutely let any of my friends in!

flan

ed11563 · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
What is your point?

Who knocks that long?

flan
People who know you are home and wonder if you are in the bathroom and didn't hear them.
If I did not invite you to my house, chances are I won't answer the door.
What if DH and I were gettin' jiggy?
flan
That's sad to me. We have people drop in all the time. I welcome it!

SOOO many questions we need to not ask ...

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

huskerbb wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Ed, you have a lot of pent up anger and hate for Christians.

Only when people tell me and my children that we're going to burn in the fires of Hell forever because we don't follow the teachings of their church.

What do you care? Muslims believe I'm going to hell. So what? or aren't you confident in what you believe?

And aren't your children middle aged?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

ed11563 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I have NEVER had a JW be rude. EVER.
Me too. Except for the fact that they went after my little kids in the back yard once and told them they were going to burn in the fires of Hell for Eternity.
Was that rude?

JW generally don't believe in a Hell.

Ohfour · Hooker

lilyofcourse wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I have NEVER had a JW be rude. EVER.
Me too. Except for the fact that they went after my little kids in the back yard once and told them they were going to burn in the fires of Hell for Eternity.
Was that rude?

JW generally don't believe in a Hell.

Yeah, I call BS on this one too. JW's don't believe in hell. So either they weren't JW or there's some fabrication goin on round here...

Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe that there is a soul that survives the death of the body. We believe that, at death, a person ceases to exist, since the body simply returns to the "dust". (Genesis 3:17-19) This makes sense if you think about people who have brain damage (a damaged body): their consciousness is affected by this. Our consciousness is not an independent system from our body that mysteriously survives the death of the body. God created the first man and woman to have a physical body formed from the "dust". (Genesis 2:7) This is different from the angels he created which are spirits. (Ezekiel 3:12) God is also a spirit. (John 4:24)

Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe in hellfire as it would not represent divine justice from a loving God. (1 John 4:8) He wants us to serve him out of love, not fear of torture. (2 Corinthians 9:7) Some who die will receive a resurrection, but some will not. If God sees that someone has already shown that there is no chance they will conform to his righteous standards, he will simply leave them in a state of non-existence. (Matthew 5:30) They have already paid for their sins with death, and he has no desire to torture them. Those whom God chooses to preserve in his memory will at a future time receive a resurrection to life on this earth. (John 5:28, 29) They will be given a new body that will be perfect and not die over time. (Revelation 21:4) In the meantime they are simply "asleep" in death, resting safely in God's memory. (John 11:11-14; Acts 7:60)

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

There has been a lot of BS going on around here lately.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
There has been a lot of BS going on around here lately.

Sure has!

flan

huskerbb · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I have NEVER had a JW be rude. EVER.
Me too. Except for the fact that they went after my little kids in the back yard once and told them they were going to burn in the fires of Hell for Eternity.
Was that rude?

JW generally don't believe in a Hell.
Yeah, I call BS on this one too. JW's don't believe in hell. So either they weren't JW or there's some fabrication goin on round here...

Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe that there is a soul that survives the death of the body. We believe that, at death, a person ceases to exist, since the body simply returns to the "dust". (Genesis 3:17-19) This makes sense if you think about people who have brain damage (a damaged body): their consciousness is affected by this. Our consciousness is not an independent system from our body that mysteriously survives the death of the body. God created the first man and woman to have a physical body formed from the "dust". (Genesis 2:7) This is different from the angels he created which are spirits. (Ezekiel 3:12) God is also a spirit. (John 4:24)
Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe in hellfire as it would not represent divine justice from a loving God. (1 John 4:8) He wants us to serve him out of love, not fear of torture. (2 Corinthians 9:7) Some who die will receive a resurrection, but some will not. If God sees that someone has already shown that there is no chance they will conform to his righteous standards, he will simply leave them in a state of non-existence. (Matthew 5:30) They have already paid for their sins with death, and he has no desire to torture them. Those whom God chooses to preserve in his memory will at a future time receive a resurrection to life on this earth. (John 5:28, 29) They will be given a new body that will be perfect and not die over time. (Revelation 21:4) In the meantime they are simply "asleep" in death, resting safely in God's memory. (John 11:11-14; Acts 7:60)

Wow. None of those verses say what they seem to attribute to them.

Ohfour · Hooker

huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I have NEVER had a JW be rude. EVER.
Me too. Except for the fact that they went after my little kids in the back yard once and told them they were going to burn in the fires of Hell for Eternity.
Was that rude?

JW generally don't believe in a Hell.
Yeah, I call BS on this one too. JW's don't believe in hell. So either they weren't JW or there's some fabrication goin on round here...

Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe that there is a soul that survives the death of the body. We believe that, at death, a person ceases to exist, since the body simply returns to the "dust". (Genesis 3:17-19) This makes sense if you think about people who have brain damage (a damaged body): their consciousness is affected by this. Our consciousness is not an independent system from our body that mysteriously survives the death of the body. God created the first man and woman to have a physical body formed from the "dust". (Genesis 2:7) This is different from the angels he created which are spirits. (Ezekiel 3:12) God is also a spirit. (John 4:24)
Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe in hellfire as it would not represent divine justice from a loving God. (1 John 4:8) He wants us to serve him out of love, not fear of torture. (2 Corinthians 9:7) Some who die will receive a resurrection, but some will not. If God sees that someone has already shown that there is no chance they will conform to his righteous standards, he will simply leave them in a state of non-existence. (Matthew 5:30) They have already paid for their sins with death, and he has no desire to torture them. Those whom God chooses to preserve in his memory will at a future time receive a resurrection to life on this earth. (John 5:28, 29) They will be given a new body that will be perfect and not die over time. (Revelation 21:4) In the meantime they are simply "asleep" in death, resting safely in God's memory. (John 11:11-14; Acts 7:60)
Wow. None of those verses say what they seem to attribute to them.

I agree. They have a pretty warped take on the Bible. I just posted to show that JW don't believe in Hell. Ed must have come across some rouge JWs... hmm

huskerbb · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I have NEVER had a JW be rude. EVER.
Me too. Except for the fact that they went after my little kids in the back yard once and told them they were going to burn in the fires of Hell for Eternity.
Was that rude?

JW generally don't believe in a Hell.
Yeah, I call BS on this one too. JW's don't believe in hell. So either they weren't JW or there's some fabrication goin on round here...

Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe that there is a soul that survives the death of the body. We believe that, at death, a person ceases to exist, since the body simply returns to the "dust". (Genesis 3:17-19) This makes sense if you think about people who have brain damage (a damaged body): their consciousness is affected by this. Our consciousness is not an independent system from our body that mysteriously survives the death of the body. God created the first man and woman to have a physical body formed from the "dust". (Genesis 2:7) This is different from the angels he created which are spirits. (Ezekiel 3:12) God is also a spirit. (John 4:24)
Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe in hellfire as it would not represent divine justice from a loving God. (1 John 4:8) He wants us to serve him out of love, not fear of torture. (2 Corinthians 9:7) Some who die will receive a resurrection, but some will not. If God sees that someone has already shown that there is no chance they will conform to his righteous standards, he will simply leave them in a state of non-existence. (Matthew 5:30) They have already paid for their sins with death, and he has no desire to torture them. Those whom God chooses to preserve in his memory will at a future time receive a resurrection to life on this earth. (John 5:28, 29) They will be given a new body that will be perfect and not die over time. (Revelation 21:4) In the meantime they are simply "asleep" in death, resting safely in God's memory. (John 11:11-14; Acts 7:60)
Wow. None of those verses say what they seem to attribute to them.
I agree. They have a pretty warped take on the Bible. I just posted to show that JW don't believe in Hell. Ed must have come across some rouge JWs...

Yeah, i wasn't trying to imply you held those beliefs.

huskerbb · Guru

Take the Matthew 5:30 passage. It specifically talks about the existence of hell.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

My brother dated one for almost 4 years. (A nightmare of a person but that is for another thread)

And I worked right beside one for nearly 2 years.

I heard the sales pitch daily, twice on Sunday.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

lilyofcourse wrote:
My brother dated one for almost 4 years. (A nightmare of a person but that is for another thread)

And I worked right beside one for nearly 2 years.

I heard the sales pitch daily, twice on Sunday.

have you been scarred for life?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
My brother dated one for almost 4 years. (A nightmare of a person but that is for another thread)

And I worked right beside one for nearly 2 years.

I heard the sales pitch daily, twice on Sunday.
have you been scarred for life?

Nope.

Got really good at proving their points stupid.

WYSIWYG · Guru

My thing is the bitterness. Geesh people - you live in a society with differing beliefs. GET OVER IT, already. How long you going to nurse a grudge?
- Lawyerlady

___________________________

Does that apply to those of us that are Christian as well? Or should Christians be allowed to steamroller over anything we disagree with? Should we accept differing beliefs or try and force our beliefs on others?

WYSIWYG · Guru

Wow. None of those verses say what they seem to attribute to them.
- huskerbb

__________________________

I have to agree with huskerbb on that one. Those were some, shall we say, "creative interpretations"(?).

huskerbb · Guru

WYSIWYG wrote:
My thing is the bitterness. Geesh people - you live in a society with differing beliefs. GET OVER IT, already. How long you going to nurse a grudge?
- Lawyerlady

___________________________

Does that apply to those of us that are Christian as well? Or should Christians be allowed to steamroller over anything we disagree with? Should we accept differing beliefs or try and force our beliefs on others?

"Forcing"??? Forcing is holding a gun to someone's head and making them confess your beliefs.

Handing out a few pamphlets is not "forcing".

Plus, we were talking about the government and what they were doing to "force" religion (NOTHING). You can't seriously mean that freedom of speech should be outlawed if people talk about religion.

WYSIWYG · Guru

Plus, we were talking about the government and what they were doing to "force" religion (NOTHING). You can't seriously mean that freedom of speech should be outlawed if people talk about religion.
- huskerbb

____________________________

I was referring more to enacting laws that are inline with Christian belief, but have no other legitimate basis, like the Defense Of Marriage Act. That was 100% religious in nature, and was Christians forcing our beliefs on others.

Or Christians that bring their beliefs into their government job, and only perform the duties of that job that they believe are inline with their beliefs.

I wasn't referring to freedom of speech at all.

huskerbb · Guru

WYSIWYG wrote:
Plus, we were talking about the government and what they were doing to "force" religion (NOTHING). You can't seriously mean that freedom of speech should be outlawed if people talk about religion.
- huskerbb

____________________________

I was referring more to enacting laws that are inline with Christian belief, but have no other legitimate basis, like the Defense Of Marriage Act. That was 100% religious in nature, and was Christians forcing our beliefs on others.

Or Christians that bring their beliefs into their government job, and only perform the duties of that job that they believe are inline with their beliefs.

I wasn't referring to freedom of speech at all.

BS. That was a response to gay marriage which was the gay marriage movement forcing their beliefs on everyone else.

What was the "change" in the law with the DOMA?? Nothing. The change has been gay marriage.

WYSIWYG · Guru

And I was questioning the response, huskerbb.

Lawyerlady was saying "Geesh people - you live in a society with differing beliefs. GET OVER IT, already."

I wanted to know if that advice applied to Christians as well. That's why I asked, after quoting her, "Does that apply to those of us that are Christian as well? Or should Christians be allowed to steamroller over anything we disagree with? Should we accept differing beliefs or try and force our beliefs on others?"

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I don't see Muslims going to jail because they won't deliver alcohol.

I don't see other religions being sued because they won't bake a cake, perform an abortion or have people want to shut them up in their own places of worship.

All of that is only happening to the Christian.

ed11563 · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
BS. That was a response to gay marriage which was the gay marriage movement forcing their beliefs on everyone else.
What was the "change" in the law with the DOMA?? Nothing. The change has been gay marriage.

Most of what's being "forced" is "Equal protection under the law".

The issues with bakers and photographers is BS, but DOMA was a real attack on equal protection.

burns07 · Guru

Most of what's being "forced" is "Equal protection under the law".

__________________________________________________

if you actually believe this you need some serious help

WYSIWYG · Guru

if you actually believe this you need some serious help
- burns07

_____________________________

Why? Is equal protection under the law a disease that only certain people should be afflicted with?

weltschmerz · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
I don't see Muslims going to jail because they won't deliver alcohol.

I don't see other religions being sued because they won't bake a cake, perform an abortion or have people want to shut them up in their own places of worship.

All of that is only happening to the Christian.

Someone is trying to shut people up in their own places of worship? Who is trying to shut you up at church?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

We had a thread just about a week ago about a woman who moved into a new place a realized there was a church across the road. She didn't like what was being peaches in the church and the services they were having and she wanted them to stop.

That is just one example of trying to shut people up in their own places of worship.

huskerbb · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
I don't see Muslims going to jail because they won't deliver alcohol.

I don't see other religions being sued because they won't bake a cake, perform an abortion or have people want to shut them up in their own places of worship.

All of that is only happening to the Christian.

Someone is trying to shut people up in their own places of worship? Who is trying to shut you up at church?

???? Don't you ever watch or read the news? The mayor of Houston ordered several pastors to turn in their sermons to her because she wanted to prosecute them under some hate speech ordinance she got passed. Luckily a court threw it out--but she tried, and she's a high ranking official from a major U.S. city.

weltschmerz · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
I don't see Muslims going to jail because they won't deliver alcohol.

I don't see other religions being sued because they won't bake a cake, perform an abortion or have people want to shut them up in their own places of worship.

All of that is only happening to the Christian.

Someone is trying to shut people up in their own places of worship? Who is trying to shut you up at church?
???? Don't you ever watch or read the news? The mayor of Houston ordered several pastors to turn in their sermons to her because she wanted to prosecute them under some hate speech ordinance she got passed. Luckily a court threw it out--but she tried, and she's a high ranking official from a major U.S. city.

Have YOU ever heard of the Johnson Amendment? In your very own Constitution?

If churches want to preserve their tax-free status, they have to eschew political organizing.

cadiver · Senior Member

weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
I don't see Muslims going to jail because they won't deliver alcohol.

I don't see other religions being sued because they won't bake a cake, perform an abortion or have people want to shut them up in their own places of worship.

All of that is only happening to the Christian.

Someone is trying to shut people up in their own places of worship? Who is trying to shut you up at church?
???? Don't you ever watch or read the news? The mayor of Houston ordered several pastors to turn in their sermons to her because she wanted to prosecute them under some hate speech ordinance she got passed. Luckily a court threw it out--but she tried, and she's a high ranking official from a major U.S. city.
Have YOU ever heard of the Johnson Amendment? In your very own Constitution?
If churches want to preserve their tax-free status, they have to eschew political organizing.

That would be in the tax code.

huskerbb · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
I don't see Muslims going to jail because they won't deliver alcohol.

I don't see other religions being sued because they won't bake a cake, perform an abortion or have people want to shut them up in their own places of worship.

All of that is only happening to the Christian.

Someone is trying to shut people up in their own places of worship? Who is trying to shut you up at church?
???? Don't you ever watch or read the news? The mayor of Houston ordered several pastors to turn in their sermons to her because she wanted to prosecute them under some hate speech ordinance she got passed. Luckily a court threw it out--but she tried, and she's a high ranking official from a major U.S. city.
Have YOU ever heard of the Johnson Amendment? In your very own Constitution?
If churches want to preserve their tax-free status, they have to eschew political organizing.

First of all--you are ignorant. There is NO SUCH amendment in the Constitution.

Now, if you are talking about the 1954 amendment to the tax code--you are still ignorant. That says that church BODIES may not endorse or oppose political CANDIDATES. It does NOT apply to individual church members, to stances by the church body on political issues, NOR does it apply to what pastors may say from the pulpit.

It CERTAINLY does not give the Houston mayor the power to force pastors to turn in their sermons (and it wasn't even the basis by which she wanted to force that, anyway) and the court ruled against her.

You better just quit commenting on U.S. political issues. You are out of your league.

Ohfour · Hooker

She doesn't have a clue...though she would like to think so.

huskerbb · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
She doesn't have a clue...though she would like to think so.

I never even gave that a thought it is so far outside the realm of the discussion and so irrelevant as to the points made on here.

weltschmerz · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
I don't see Muslims going to jail because they won't deliver alcohol.

I don't see other religions being sued because they won't bake a cake, perform an abortion or have people want to shut them up in their own places of worship.

All of that is only happening to the Christian.

Someone is trying to shut people up in their own places of worship? Who is trying to shut you up at church?
???? Don't you ever watch or read the news? The mayor of Houston ordered several pastors to turn in their sermons to her because she wanted to prosecute them under some hate speech ordinance she got passed. Luckily a court threw it out--but she tried, and she's a high ranking official from a major U.S. city.
Have YOU ever heard of the Johnson Amendment? In your very own Constitution?
If churches want to preserve their tax-free status, they have to eschew political organizing.
First of all--you are ignorant. There is NO SUCH amendment in the Constitution.
Now, if you are talking about the 1954 amendment to the tax code--you are still ignorant. That says that church BODIES may not endorse or oppose political CANDIDATES. It does NOT apply to individual church members, to stances by the church body on political issues, NOR does it apply to what pastors may say from the pulpit.
It CERTAINLY does not give the Houston mayor the power to force pastors to turn in their sermons (and it wasn't even the basis by which she wanted to force that, anyway) and the court ruled against her.

You better just quit commenting on U.S. political issues. You are out of your league.

I'm ignorant? Are personal attacks and name-calling allowed here, now?

My, how things have changed in the month I've been gone.

huskerbb · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
I don't see Muslims going to jail because they won't deliver alcohol.

I don't see other religions being sued because they won't bake a cake, perform an abortion or have people want to shut them up in their own places of worship.

All of that is only happening to the Christian.

Someone is trying to shut people up in their own places of worship? Who is trying to shut you up at church?
???? Don't you ever watch or read the news? The mayor of Houston ordered several pastors to turn in their sermons to her because she wanted to prosecute them under some hate speech ordinance she got passed. Luckily a court threw it out--but she tried, and she's a high ranking official from a major U.S. city.
Have YOU ever heard of the Johnson Amendment? In your very own Constitution?
If churches want to preserve their tax-free status, they have to eschew political organizing.
First of all--you are ignorant. There is NO SUCH amendment in the Constitution.
Now, if you are talking about the 1954 amendment to the tax code--you are still ignorant. That says that church BODIES may not endorse or oppose political CANDIDATES. It does NOT apply to individual church members, to stances by the church body on political issues, NOR does it apply to what pastors may say from the pulpit.
It CERTAINLY does not give the Houston mayor the power to force pastors to turn in their sermons (and it wasn't even the basis by which she wanted to force that, anyway) and the court ruled against her.

You better just quit commenting on U.S. political issues. You are out of your league.
I'm ignorant? Are personal attacks and name-calling allowed here, now?
My, how things have changed in the month I've been gone.

Ok, fine. I'll rephrase. what you posted was completely ignorant.

weltschmerz · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
I don't see Muslims going to jail because they won't deliver alcohol.

I don't see other religions being sued because they won't bake a cake, perform an abortion or have people want to shut them up in their own places of worship.

All of that is only happening to the Christian.

Someone is trying to shut people up in their own places of worship? Who is trying to shut you up at church?
???? Don't you ever watch or read the news? The mayor of Houston ordered several pastors to turn in their sermons to her because she wanted to prosecute them under some hate speech ordinance she got passed. Luckily a court threw it out--but she tried, and she's a high ranking official from a major U.S. city.
Have YOU ever heard of the Johnson Amendment? In your very own Constitution?
If churches want to preserve their tax-free status, they have to eschew political organizing.
First of all--you are ignorant. There is NO SUCH amendment in the Constitution.
Now, if you are talking about the 1954 amendment to the tax code--you are still ignorant. That says that church BODIES may not endorse or oppose political CANDIDATES. It does NOT apply to individual church members, to stances by the church body on political issues, NOR does it apply to what pastors may say from the pulpit.
It CERTAINLY does not give the Houston mayor the power to force pastors to turn in their sermons (and it wasn't even the basis by which she wanted to force that, anyway) and the court ruled against her.

You better just quit commenting on U.S. political issues. You are out of your league.

You reposted, but it's still there. Some very peculiar moderation on this board.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Are you really going to start that crap again?

Participation here is not mandatory.

Ohfour · Hooker

Ignorant is not an insult. Im ignorant on many topics. Because you are not knowledgeable about something is not an insult. It means you are ignorant. You are ignorant about American laws. Thats not an insult. Its a fact.

weltschmerz · Guru

And "You're ugly" means you have ugly thoughts and opinions on certain issues. Flan got banned for that.
Evidently, mods play favourites. Pity.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Ahhh..... I see.

It isn't just a coincidence that you pop back in right after Flan got her hand smacked again.

Your motives are crystal clear.

weltschmerz · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Ahhh..... I see.

It isn't just a coincidence that you pop back in right after Flan got her hand smacked again.

Your motives are crystal clear.

What? I popped back in after my vacation was over. What the hell are you talking about?

Yes, it's some kind of conspiracy!! Flan and I are plotting against you, lol!

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Yeah.

Whatever.

weltschmerz · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Yeah.

Whatever.

I suggest you wear a baseball cap instead of that jaunty tinfoil chapeau. It's a little too tight.

huskerbb · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
I don't see Muslims going to jail because they won't deliver alcohol.

I don't see other religions being sued because they won't bake a cake, perform an abortion or have people want to shut them up in their own places of worship.

All of that is only happening to the Christian.

Someone is trying to shut people up in their own places of worship? Who is trying to shut you up at church?
???? Don't you ever watch or read the news? The mayor of Houston ordered several pastors to turn in their sermons to her because she wanted to prosecute them under some hate speech ordinance she got passed. Luckily a court threw it out--but she tried, and she's a high ranking official from a major U.S. city.
Have YOU ever heard of the Johnson Amendment? In your very own Constitution?
If churches want to preserve their tax-free status, they have to eschew political organizing.
First of all--you are ignorant. There is NO SUCH amendment in the Constitution.
Now, if you are talking about the 1954 amendment to the tax code--you are still ignorant. That says that church BODIES may not endorse or oppose political CANDIDATES. It does NOT apply to individual church members, to stances by the church body on political issues, NOR does it apply to what pastors may say from the pulpit.
It CERTAINLY does not give the Houston mayor the power to force pastors to turn in their sermons (and it wasn't even the basis by which she wanted to force that, anyway) and the court ruled against her.

You better just quit commenting on U.S. political issues. You are out of your league.
You reposted, but it's still there. Some very peculiar moderation on this board.

And it's a pity you can't even respond to the issue--but, then, we've already seen you know nothing about it and so you can't.

huskerbb · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
I don't see Muslims going to jail because they won't deliver alcohol.

I don't see other religions being sued because they won't bake a cake, perform an abortion or have people want to shut them up in their own places of worship.

All of that is only happening to the Christian.

Someone is trying to shut people up in their own places of worship? Who is trying to shut you up at church?
???? Don't you ever watch or read the news? The mayor of Houston ordered several pastors to turn in their sermons to her because she wanted to prosecute them under some hate speech ordinance she got passed. Luckily a court threw it out--but she tried, and she's a high ranking official from a major U.S. city.
Have YOU ever heard of the Johnson Amendment? In your very own Constitution?
If churches want to preserve their tax-free status, they have to eschew political organizing.
First of all--you are ignorant. There is NO SUCH amendment in the Constitution.
Now, if you are talking about the 1954 amendment to the tax code--you are still ignorant. That says that church BODIES may not endorse or oppose political CANDIDATES. It does NOT apply to individual church members, to stances by the church body on political issues, NOR does it apply to what pastors may say from the pulpit.
It CERTAINLY does not give the Houston mayor the power to force pastors to turn in their sermons (and it wasn't even the basis by which she wanted to force that, anyway) and the court ruled against her.

You better just quit commenting on U.S. political issues. You are out of your league.
You reposted, but it's still there. Some very peculiar moderation on this board.
And it's a pity you can't even respond to the issue--but, then, we've already seen you know nothing about it and so you can't.

<crickets chirping>

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Ahhh..... I see.

It isn't just a coincidence that you pop back in right after Flan got her hand smacked again.

Your motives are crystal clear.
What? I popped back in after my vacation was over. What the hell are you talking about?
Yes, it's some kind of conspiracy!! Flan and I are plotting against you, lol!

Egads!

We've been discovered!!!

flan